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A Romanian arrives in London as a new immigrant to the United Kingdom .
He stops a postman he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr. Englishman for letting me come into this country!"
The postman says, "You are mistaken, I am Egyptian."
The man goes on and encounters another man carrying parcels from a van.
"Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in England."
The delivery man says, "I not English , I am Pakistani."
The new arrival walks farther, and see's a man cleaning windows.
"Thank you for wonderful country England !"
The window cleaner puts up his hand and says, "I am from Afghanistan. I am not British."
He finally sees a nice lady working in a cafe and asks, "Are you an Englishwoman?"
She says, "No, I am from Africa."
Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the English?"
The African lady checks her watch and says,
"Probably still in bed."
He stops a postman he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr. Englishman for letting me come into this country!"
The postman says, "You are mistaken, I am Egyptian."
The man goes on and encounters another man carrying parcels from a van.
"Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in England."
The delivery man says, "I not English , I am Pakistani."
The new arrival walks farther, and see's a man cleaning windows.
"Thank you for wonderful country England !"
The window cleaner puts up his hand and says, "I am from Afghanistan. I am not British."
He finally sees a nice lady working in a cafe and asks, "Are you an Englishwoman?"
She says, "No, I am from Africa."
Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the English?"
The African lady checks her watch and says,
"Probably still in bed."
Quote by Too Hot
A Romanian arrives in London as a new immigrant to the United Kingdom .
He stops a postman he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr. Englishman for letting me come into this country!"
The postman says, "You are mistaken, I am Egyptian."
The man goes on and encounters another man carrying parcels from a van.
"Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in England."
The delivery man says, "I not English , I am Pakistani."
The new arrival walks farther, and see's a man cleaning windows.
"Thank you for wonderful country England !"
The window cleaner puts up his hand and says, "I am from Afghanistan. I am not British."
He finally sees a nice lady working in a cafe and asks, "Are you an Englishwoman?"
She says, "No, I am from Africa."
Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the English?"
The African lady checks her watch and says,
"Probably still in bed."
What a poor attitude you have of your fellow countrymen.
The reason all the English are in bed are that the Egyptian delivering the post, and the Pakistani carrying the parcels, and the window cleaner and the lovely African lady, are all on the fecking minimum wage and all the foreigners have nicked all the jobs. Not just me saying that but our own politicians.
Remember this TH?
Or what about this as fact.
3.7 million immigrant workers now in the UK and probably that again in black market workers............no wonder the English are in bed. :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple
What a poor attitude you have of your fellow countrymen.
The reason all the English are in bed are that the Egyptian delivering the post, and the Pakistani carrying the parcels, and the window cleaner and the lovely African lady, are all on the fecking minimum wage and all the foreigners have nicked all the jobs. Not just me saying that but our own politicians.
Remember this TH?
Or what about this as fact.
3.7 million immigrant workers now in the UK and probably that again in black market workers............no wonder the English are in bed. :thumbup:
Yep, I read your "facts" and it appears in the source you quoted that an independent study had concluded that 160,000 British Jobs had gone to migrant workers between 2005 and 2010.
Great, so what is the excuse of the other 2.5 million unemployed when there are 500,000 jobs up for grabs on the current labour market?
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Great, so what is the excuse of the other 2.5 million unemployed when there are 500,000 jobs up for grabs on the current labour market?
So Rogue if and of course there is the word of the day , IF those jobs were filled tomorrow by the 2.5 million out of work, what happens to the other 2 million? When has the UK ever had full employment?
So I shall give you that one with regards to the half a million jobs , but can you tell me where the other 2 million are going to find work?
Now if we had no immigrant workers over the last ten years and so there are a further 2.5 million jobs available I would take your point with regards to the unemployed at the moment. I give only a 2.5 million figure as the other 1.2 million are partners of the immigrant worker who have come here.
So Rogue where are the other jobs coming from to help the 2 million English that according to TH are stuck in bed, after the lazy bastards have found work of course?
Firstly, I believe in taking on migrant workers and I believe in allowing immigrants into this country.
But for both categories I believe in allowing those in that we need.
So that said I have a point about what happens if the EU workers leave.
I think many would stay - and work without permits.
If enough left we would be short of a workforce, that happened in Poland initially when they suddenly realised how much they could earn in the UK, for a while Poland was short of skilled workers and the Employers were forced into paying higher wages there, the big migration slowed down and many Polish people returned to Poland, might the same not happen here ?
The EU will be letting more Countries join, Bosnia is trying it's best to become an EU state and other Eastern European countries, if that happens the Polish might find themselves outnumbered here by Bosnians and then the Bosnians outnumbered by another Nation. Other EU states dont have this problem as much as the United Kingdom does because the welfare system in other EU states isnt as lucrative as it is here.
But for both categories I believe in allowing those in that we need.
So that said I have a point about what happens if the EU workers leave.
I think many would stay - and work without permits.
If enough left we would be short of a workforce, that happened in Poland initially when they suddenly realised how much they could earn in the UK, for a while Poland was short of skilled workers and the Employers were forced into paying higher wages there, the big migration slowed down and many Polish people returned to Poland, might the same not happen here ?
The EU will be letting more Countries join, Bosnia is trying it's best to become an EU state and other Eastern European countries, if that happens the Polish might find themselves outnumbered here by Bosnians and then the Bosnians outnumbered by another Nation. Other EU states dont have this problem as much as the United Kingdom does because the welfare system in other EU states isnt as lucrative as it is here.
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Quote by starlightcouple
A Romanian arrives in London as a new immigrant to the United Kingdom .
He stops a postman he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr. Englishman for letting me come into this country!"
The postman says, "You are mistaken, I am Egyptian."
The man goes on and encounters another man carrying parcels from a van.
"Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in England."
The delivery man says, "I not English , I am Pakistani."
The new arrival walks farther, and see's a man cleaning windows.
"Thank you for wonderful country England !"
The window cleaner puts up his hand and says, "I am from Afghanistan. I am not British."
He finally sees a nice lady working in a cafe and asks, "Are you an Englishwoman?"
She says, "No, I am from Africa."
Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the English?"
The African lady checks her watch and says,
"Probably still in bed."
What a poor attitude you have of your fellow countrymen.
The reason all the English are in bed are that the Egyptian delivering the post, and the Pakistani carrying the parcels, and the window cleaner and the lovely African lady, are all on the fecking minimum wage and all the foreigners have nicked all the jobs. Not just me saying that but our own politicians.
Remember this TH?
Or what about this as fact.
3.7 million immigrant workers now in the UK and probably that again in black market workers............no wonder the English are in bed. :thumbup:
It was a joke...
Quote by Too Hot
A Romanian arrives in London as a new immigrant to the United Kingdom .
He stops a postman he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr. Englishman for letting me come into this country!"
The postman says, "You are mistaken, I am Egyptian."
The man goes on and encounters another man carrying parcels from a van.
"Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in England."
The delivery man says, "I not English , I am Pakistani."
The new arrival walks farther, and see's a man cleaning windows.
"Thank you for wonderful country England !"
The window cleaner puts up his hand and says, "I am from Afghanistan. I am not British."
He finally sees a nice lady working in a cafe and asks, "Are you an Englishwoman?"
She says, "No, I am from Africa."
Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the English?"
The African lady checks her watch and says,
"Probably still in bed."
What a poor attitude you have of your fellow countrymen.
The reason all the English are in bed are that the Egyptian delivering the post, and the Pakistani carrying the parcels, and the window cleaner and the lovely African lady, are all on the fecking minimum wage and all the foreigners have nicked all the jobs. Not just me saying that but our own politicians.
Remember this TH?
Or what about this as fact.
3.7 million immigrant workers now in the UK and probably that again in black market workers............no wonder the English are in bed. :thumbup:
It was a joke...
Oh I am sorry TH........going by the way you continually run the British worker down, how would I have known
:dunno::dunno:My reply was no joke though. The British cannot get work anymore, and this time next year all the Brits will just spend all day in bed as the remaining jobs left will have been taken by the Romanians. :bounce:
Quote by Rogue_Trader
If an economic migrant is willing to take work at minimum wage, why won't a Brit?
Surely 40 hours a week at minimum wage is better than JSA?
If I read it right, JSA and the other benefits it gives access to can sometimes mean that getting out of your pit n the mornings to go to work isn't an option many consider justified.
Quote by GnV
If an economic migrant is willing to take work at minimum wage, why won't a Brit?
Surely 40 hours a week at minimum wage is better than JSA?
If I read it right, JSA and the other benefits it gives access to can sometimes mean that getting out of your pit n the mornings to go to work isn't an option many consider justified.
aah right so self esteem and continuing work experience on your CV counts lower than being a scrounging layabout...cool, good to know!
Quote by Rogue_Trader
If an economic migrant is willing to take work at minimum wage, why won't a Brit?
Surely 40 hours a week at minimum wage is better than JSA?
If I read it right, JSA and the other benefits it gives access to can sometimes mean that getting out of your pit n the mornings to go to work isn't an option many consider justified.
aah right so self esteem and continuing work experience on your CV counts lower than being a scrounging layabout...cool, good to know!
Errrr, who said anything about being truthful on a CV?
Quote by Rogue_Trader
If an economic migrant is willing to take work at minimum wage, why won't a Brit?
Surely 40 hours a week at minimum wage is better than JSA?
Have you any idea of the average monthly wage in Poland? No? Ok then what about Romania? Ah not that one either. Right any clues about Nigeria?
See where I am going with this Rogue? A migrants salary is about a quarter of what they can earn in the UK, but with a similar costs for food etc. As an example in my old firm we had a couple of female Polish workers, who earned a paltry £250 a MONTH in their native country. My firm was paying them £1070 a moth after tax. Can we not see why migrant workers would want to work for the minimum wage? As even the minimum wage over here is a damn sight more than they would have got had they stayed in their native country.
In many cases a person is not just getting JSA, their are invariably other benefits attached to that like council tax and rent paid.
Quote by starlightcouple
If an economic migrant is willing to take work at minimum wage, why won't a Brit?
Surely 40 hours a week at minimum wage is better than JSA?
Have you any idea of the average monthly wage in Poland? No? Ok then what about Romania? Ah not that one either. Right any clues about Nigeria?
See where I am going with this Rogue? A migrants salary is about a quarter of what they can earn in the UK, but with a similar costs for food etc. As an example in my old firm we had a couple of female Polish workers, who earned a paltry £250 a MONTH in their native country. My firm was paying them £1070 a moth after tax. Can we not see why migrant workers would want to work for the minimum wage? As even the minimum wage over here is a damn sight more than they would have got had they stayed in their native country.
In many cases a person is not just getting JSA, their are invariably other benefits attached to that like council tax and rent paid.
But its not like they are getting paid that here and benefiting from a lifestyle at home...
So you admit then that the benfits you get as Brit on JSA outweighs that of a migrant worker on minimum wage?
Quote by Rogue_Trader
So you admit then that the benfits you get as Brit on JSA outweighs that of a migrant worker on minimum wage?
I have given you the real reason why migrant workers flock to the UK, and why employers will always take advantage of cheap labour market. By taking that minimum wage and then telling UK workers to go fuck themselves as they can get any Johny foreigner to work for an hour, is the main reason why Brits cannot get work and migrant workers can.
Tell me Rogue...........could you manage on minimum wages? No? So what do you do then? Johny foreigner knows what the money will be, that's why they come here. Oh and free NHS and a damn sight better living conditions than the hell hole they have originally come from.
The poor excuses given with regards to the lazy Brits is just crap. Steve on here I am sure would agree with me that he is not a lazy scrounging scum bag, yet as a Brit having to live on the minimum wage, I am sure he will put you right on that one.
As an aside Rogue......what do you think is the reason why there are well over a million youngsters unemployed? Why do you think it is the highest it has ever been? Have you an explanation for this?
Is it as some on here think that the Brits are just lazy dole grabbing scroungers, too lazy to get out of their beds in the morning, or could it be that the high levels of youth unemployment are simply down to the fact that so many migrant workers have come here and literally nicked the jobs that a lot of these youngsters would have done?
Remember the slogan ' British jobs for British workers ' as employers were it seemed deliberately targeting Johny foreigner over British workers, so as to pay as little as possible for the maximum amount of hours?
As you only pointed out the other day Rogue with jobs currently available apparently, there are over a million under 24's out of work. There are not enough jobs to fill the youth market so what do the others do Rogue? What about the current stock of over 24's out of work Rogue? What do they do?
I cannot remember you answering that question the first time I raised it.
Is it as some on here think that the Brits are just lazy dole grabbing scroungers, too lazy to get out of their beds in the morning, or could it be that the high levels of youth unemployment are simply down to the fact that so many migrant workers have come here and literally nicked the jobs that a lot of these youngsters would have done?
Remember the slogan ' British jobs for British workers ' as employers were it seemed deliberately targeting Johny foreigner over British workers, so as to pay as little as possible for the maximum amount of hours?
As you only pointed out the other day Rogue with jobs currently available apparently, there are over a million under 24's out of work. There are not enough jobs to fill the youth market so what do the others do Rogue? What about the current stock of over 24's out of work Rogue? What do they do?
I cannot remember you answering that question the first time I raised it.
There are not enough jobs to fill the youth market so what do the others do Rogue? What about the current stock of over 24's out of work Rogue? What do they do?
I cannot remember you answering that question the first time I raised it.
Easy answer, move. The world ain't that big.
And if you are not prepared to move abroad to get work then tough.
I am about to turn down a £4.5 million job because I can not get the workers. it starts in 8 weeks. Bulgarians are flat out, Poles are flat out, Brits are flat out...We have full order books until 2015.
By the way we pay our foreign labour the same union rate as our British labour. Except I get 10% more production out of the foreign labour instead of the Brits 'cause they ain't stopping to go for fag, rushing to get out of the gate for 4:30, stopping to look at the tits in the sun...
Quote by GnV
You might like to refresh your memory about Brown's mantra in 2009 star...
Was there a reason for that GnV? After he said that particular statement we had the usual cries of ' racist ' from some of the lower corners of the left used as the only way they know to shut people up. My oh my how things change eh?
Well seeing as nobody wants to come up with an answer to this apparent problem.
So if every job was filled tomorrow, what would happen to the other 2 million people out of work with zero jobs to apply for?
Answers anyone?
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There are not enough jobs to fill the youth market so what do the others do Rogue? What about the current stock of over 24's out of work Rogue? What do they do?
I cannot remember you answering that question the first time I raised it.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Easy answer, move. The world ain't that big.
Wow Rogue what a simplistic answer, and a rather poor one at that. I am suprised actually that is the best you can come up with? :doh:
So we tell a 20 year old who is failing to find suitable employment, to fuck off abroad? Why should he/she be forced to move away from their country of origin, just because migrant workers on 50p a day come to the UK to find work at a pathetic an hour?
So there we have the answer to this countries employment problems for the under 24's....all those hundreds of thousands of you are to piss off to??? Well there must be suitable work in Spain? Check their employment figures. What about pissing off to Poland as a way of making a living? Ermmmm why did they all leave in the first place? That argument Rogue is one of the weakest excuses I have ever heard. Even the Tories are not that hard on the youngsters.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
And if you are not prepared to move abroad to get work then tough.
I am about to turn down a £4.5 million job because I can not get the workers. it starts in 8 weeks. Bulgarians are flat out, Poles are flat out, Brits are flat out...We have full order books until 2015.
By the way we pay our foreign labour the same union rate as our British labour. Except I get 10% more production out of the foreign labour instead of the Brits 'cause they ain't stopping to go for fag, rushing to get out of the gate for 4:30, stopping to look at the tits in the sun...
We shall simply have to take your word for that comment Rogue, but from a personnel point of view I think it is all made up. :notes:
Personally if you are the boss and have an attitude like you have, I would not want to work for you you get them to bow to you on pay day as well, what about clean your shoes on arrival? The comment highlighted above shows me you ain't no boss turning down a 4 and a half million quid job.
My opinion of course Rogue.
Star,
Being a good businessman means knowing when not to overstretch yourself.
It also means knowing your market, and having that little bit of something extra to offer. Innovation is the key and being prepared to go that extra mile for a client.
It works for business and it works for the individual.
For any 20 year old out of work I would say, re-train for offshore its going to be bigger than it was in the 70's...
But that's insider knowledge, shush don't tell everyone.
And luckily Star, your opinion does mean something, but only in your own mind.
Being a good businessman means knowing when not to overstretch yourself.
It also means knowing your market, and having that little bit of something extra to offer. Innovation is the key and being prepared to go that extra mile for a client.
It works for business and it works for the individual.
For any 20 year old out of work I would say, re-train for offshore its going to be bigger than it was in the 70's...
But that's insider knowledge, shush don't tell everyone.
And luckily Star, your opinion does mean something, but only in your own mind.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Star,
Being a good businessman means knowing when not to overstretch yourself.
It also means knowing your market, and having that little bit of something extra to offer. Innovation is the key and being prepared to go that extra mile for a client.
It works for business and it works for the individual.
For any 20 year old out of work I would say, re-train for offshore its going to be bigger than it was in the 70's...
But that's insider knowledge, shush don't tell everyone.
And luckily Star, your opinion does mean something, but only in your own mind.
Maybe I should put your kind words and thoughts on a big sheet of A3 paper, and take it down to my local job centre Rogue, and then tell them the author of such words was visiting on Monday morning. I wonder what those lucky unemployed would think of it all. :!:
Actually best not say Monday morning but Monday afternoon, as they would probably not be out of bed before 12 anyway.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
It also means knowing your market, and having that little bit of something extra to offer. Innovation is the key and being prepared to go that extra mile for a client.
It works for business and it works for the individual.
So according to you the owners of stores such as HMV and Woolworths and Comet, and the many other big name stores teetering on the brink of financial doom, should give their clients something different, be more innovative, and of course learning how to go that extra mile.
I wonder what all those poor redundant people who worked for those stores would make of all that.
Quote by starlightcouple
It also means knowing your market, and having that little bit of something extra to offer. Innovation is the key and being prepared to go that extra mile for a client.
It works for business and it works for the individual.
So according to you the owners of stores such as HMV and Woolworths and Comet, and the many other big name stores teetering on the brink of financial doom, should give their clients something different, be more innovative, and of course learning how to go that extra mile.
I wonder what all those poor redundant people who worked for those stores would make of all that.
They would probably think "hurrah, someones getting off their ass and doing something about this mess we are in"
Star, why do some companies prosper and others fall by the wayside in the same business sectors?
