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Well we have all had to endure massive hikes in our energy charges over the last twelve months or so.
Are we seriously being taken for mugs here?

Yes I know it comes from the Guardian so it is definatly true. wink
Profits like this are all well and good but, with massive hikes in consumers bills of over 30% over the last 18 months, is it any wonder they make this ammount of profit?
This apparently has been the coldest winter for years, so people have had to use more energy than usual to heat their homes. So this years bills will be huge for many because of the huge rises in prices. Then we hear about these kinds of profits and the weak excuses they use to justify them.
Why is this not being investigated by Ofgem? Why does the consumer get taken for mugs at every opportunity?
When you get your bill for this winter have another look at this link, and when you pay this bill raise a nice glass of wine to British Gas.
so then kent, if you bought your paper for your printing press 2 years ago at a higher price than it is now, you don't think it would be right and proper to recoup your expenses but to pass on your current savings now on a "first in last out" costing principle?
And if BG were not posting profits, you would be calling for heads to roll because of mis-management presumably..
They have not got time to investigate this winters high prices, they are still investigating summer 2004s' high prices.
But since the whole Of(gas/electric/water/comms) -series of "regulators" exist only to create public service "jobs"........and the "head" of each usually ends-up on some company board or other after doing exemplary service as a seat warmer.....
GNV....I see where you are coming from in your arguement.
But all the consumer sees is higher charges for their bills, and then see BG make 50+% profits.
Something does not sit well with me here.
Then analyse how they did it and emulate their model..
The company states their profits were due to...
" The company was able to achieve the huge rise in profits due to new additions in gas and electricity customers as well as making operational improvements ".
Whatever that means.
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The company states their profits were due to...
" The company was able to achieve the huge rise in profits due to new additions in gas and electricity customers as well as making operational improvements ".
Whatever that means.

They bought a calculator then... and then taught someone how to use it.
bolt
Very good...French humour must be contagious. lol
About 2 years ago now we brought some rather cheap gloss paper. It was discontinued stock so we brought three pallets.
We did two jobs on it but the vast majority of it we never used.
Then about November time one of our customers wanted a job done on stock very similar to what we had in stock.
We could have charged the stock out at todays prices...about £38 per thousand sheets of SRA2, but we decided to only charge what we paid for it, which was £22 per thousand. So I think we were being fair to our customer.
BG on the other hand will I believe be forced to drop their prices considerably. I am sure that if they could have got away with not having these figures made public they would have done.
This year peoples bills will be higher than they have ever been before, and on top of a recession I feel these profits are obscene.
Maybe the Government should step in.
What somebody should do is dig round in the archives for 1986 and dig out the promises of benifits to the comsumer that Maggie made claim to as the reason to sell off British Gas. And see if they have come true..............maybe if they haven't we can get "lawyers for you" to sue her for mis-representation !!!
But on the other hand, how many on here bought the shares in BG when it was floated to try and make a quick buck ??? If you did...........chickens coming home to roust springs to mind .
John
Kentswingers - you missed an aopportunity to make a better margin and STILL give your customer good value. Now he/she might expect the same deal if they come back again, and you won't be able to do it (unless you have another windfall stock of paper) - this is a chance to make profits from long term investment.
BG try to do this every year, however they (and the other gas companies buy their gas from the wholsesale market at future prices - this means they are buying ahead between 6 and 12 months. If the market collapses and the wholesale gas price falls, they are still tied to their future price parcel of gas bought when it was expected to be a completely different price.
They have to do this to secure supplies for customers as we are not self sufficient in gas (North Sea gas is all but gone now). The real problem occurs when we get a spike in very cold weather, or a prolonged cold spell - the future parcels they bought are going to run out, and they have to buy from the open market to top it up. When demand is high (i.e. cold weather), the price is high and we (UK) get stung in a sellers market (remember, we have no reserves and no storage), so we get higher prices.
The only way we (UK) can combat this is to either find some gas reserves for ourselves (we did that, now it's run out) OR ...... we start to store it like most other European countries, then we can buy loads when it's cheap, and use it when the time comes (so we are isolated from the price peaks).
Incidentally, Brown was warned about this by his own advisers, the Conservatives and ofgem, but STILL they leave us exposed.
Have a coal fire fitted instead .........
What if you are in a smokeless zone ?
And: Storage of large quantities of any highly combustible material is a very long duration project....because of the inevitable planning enquiry and objections.
Which is why any new nuclear is going to be built on existing sites....greenpeace reckon that they can stop any nuclear power station for over 30 years by using the planning legislation.
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And: Storage of large quantities of any highly combustible material is a very long duration project....because of the inevitable planning enquiry and objections.

LNG - Liquified Natural Gas
It's a lot easier to store and a LOT of countries are doing it now.
The alternative is that we either get cold or have high bills ......
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The alternative is that we either get cold or have high bills ......

Personally I am going cold....:-(
Dont use the heating as I cant really afford it and am almost paranoid about electrical items being on if not being used....
I generally sit on the sofa in a sleeping bag if I want to watch TV and I do the same when at the PC....
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What if you are in a smokeless zone ?
And: Storage of large quantities of any highly combustible material is a very long duration project....because of the inevitable planning enquiry and objections.
Which is why any new nuclear is going to be built on existing sites....greenpeace reckon that they can stop any nuclear power station for over 30 years by using the planning legislation.

Even if you're in a smokeless zone you can get new generation stoves that can burn a variety of fuels. Woodburners are an option, and can also be tied to back boilers.
Has anyone come across a graph that compares the variation over time of the price of domestic gas and the cost of raw gas? I've looked about not found one. I have no doubt it would be damning.
Exactly the same shape of graph as that for pump-petrol vs barrels of oil.
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Has anyone come across a graph that compares the variation over time of the price of domestic gas and the cost of raw gas? I've looked about not found one. I have no doubt it would be damning.
Exactly the same shape of graph as that for pump-petrol vs barrels of oil.

You'd find this report interesting
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so then kent, if you bought your paper for your printing press 2 years ago at a higher price than it is now, you don't think it would be right and proper to recoup your expenses but to pass on your current savings now on a "first in last out" costing principle?

I think the problem with this argument is that they all raise prices almost immediately when costs go up and then keep them raised on the pretect that they're using supplies bought months/years ago ... but are tardy to lower prices again when they've used up the expensive supply and are using supplies bought at much lower prices, and any reduction is much less so they're minting it either way.
The trouble is Darth is that there are loads out there, all in league together...
The banks....the petrol stations...the building societies...to name just a few.
They up the prices for fuel as soon as the price of oil increases, but when it comes down they still keep the prices artificially high.
When the oil price went to a record price last year petrol was going up on a weekly basis, but the price of oil has halved, yet the price of petrol has still remained almost what it was at the record levels of oil last year.
You cannot beat the system that they use to justify keeping prices high, and raking in record profits.
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The trouble is Darth is that there are loads out there, all in league together...
The banks....the petrol stations...the building societies...to name just a few.
They up the prices for fuel as soon as the price of oil increases, but when it comes down they still keep the prices artificially high.
When the oil price went to a record price last year petrol was going up on a weekly basis, but the price of oil has halved, yet the price of petrol has still remained almost what it was at the record levels of oil last year.
You cannot beat the system that they use to justify keeping prices high, and raking in record profits.

Yes we are being shafted, simple, we have been since the Romans showed how to keep people under control by keeping them poor.
Cant see that changing now dunno
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They up the prices for fuel as soon as the price of oil increases, but when it comes down they still keep the prices artificially high.
When the oil price went to a record price last year petrol was going up on a weekly basis, but the price of oil has halved, yet the price of petrol has still remained almost what it was at the record levels of oil last year.
You cannot beat the system that they use to justify keeping prices high, and raking in record profits.

Have to disagree with you there - as much as it may seem that way, you're wrong (VERY wrong). NB: The gas prices are a different mechanism to oil/petrol/diesel.
When oil prices rise, fuel rises too.
When oil prices fall, then AS LONG AS USAGE REMAINS THE SAME, petrol prices fall too.
BUT..... the losses incurred on the way up and recovered by what's known as 'parachute pricing' - this means holding on to the higher prices slightly longer than is necessary in order to recoup losses during the increasing period.
The problem right now is that the volumes are MUCH lower than the crazy oil price period in late 2008, so the throughput at the refineries is much lower. Unfortunately, the cost of running the refinery is still the same, so the price has to go up to match the overall fixed costs of processing. This is why we have high prices still.
If you look further, you will see that most European refineries are actually making a LOSS right now due to depressed volumes, even though the price seems high compared to the barrel price of crude. The two are connected, but there are other variables that affect them (e.g. overall market demand, overall capacity, crude price, and crude quality/yield).
Hope that helps a little !