Is this as bad as our justice system gets?
A family wiped out at the hands of a lorry driver, who was obviously inept in the extreme.
Imagine that being your family or a family you knew.
Three years....out in 18 months.....for killing six people? Well if that is British justice, then it stinks...much worse than dog shite.
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Sex God
I find this difficult 777 as on one hand those poor poor victims and god forbid how their loved ones are coping I can only guess. I totally understand how those left behind should feel at the sentences meted out.
forgive though please if I also feel so sorry for the lorry driver. OK he is still alive and has a life beyond his sentence to go back to whereas those six poor victims are now no more. It is no defence but do you think that this guy meant for this too happen?
OK they were killed but there was no intention it was not murder. How is he going to feel for the rest of his days? OK OK the arguement there is at least he can feel. There was no intention to go out and kill that day was there.
They are all victims. I think this is where British justice works with its lack of compassion. The sentence handed out by the court is the right one I would hazard a guess. But for the family and friends left there is no adequate sentence. For the driver the court only handed out the legal sentence not the ones he has to live with.
forgive though please if I also feel so sorry for the lorry driver. OK he is still alive and has a life beyond his sentence to go back to whereas those six poor victims are now no more. It is no defence but do you think that this guy meant for this too happen?
OK they were killed but there was no intention it was not murder. How is he going to feel for the rest of his days? OK OK the arguement there is at least he can feel. There was no intention to go out and kill that day was there.
They are all victims. I think this is where British justice works with its lack of compassion. The sentence handed out by the court is the right one I would hazard a guess. But for the family and friends left there is no adequate sentence. For the driver the court only handed out the legal sentence not the ones he has to live with.
Quote by kentswingers777
Is this as bad as our justice system gets?
A family wiped out at the hands of a lorry driver, who was obviously inept in the extreme.
Imagine that being your family or a family you knew.
Three years....out in 18 months.....for killing six people? Well if that is British justice, then it stinks...much worse than dog shite.
For once I am completely with you!
It's worse than digusting, they let him of the charge of dangerous driving!! If killing 6 people whilst being distracted at the wheel of a 40 tonne lorry isn't dangerous I have no idea what is!
Quote by Lost
I find this difficult 777 as on one hand those poor poor victims and god forbid how their loved ones are coping I can only guess. I totally understand how those left behind should feel at the sentences meted out.
forgive though please if I also feel so sorry for the lorry driver. OK he is still alive and has a life beyond his sentence to go back to whereas those six poor victims are now no more. It is no defence but do you think that this guy meant for this too happen?
OK they were killed but there was no intention it was not murder. How is he going to feel for the rest of his days? OK OK the arguement there is at least he can feel. There was no intention to go out and kill that day was there.
They are all victims. I think this is where British justice works with its lack of compassion. The sentence handed out by the court is the right one I would hazard a guess. But for the family and friends left there is no adequate sentence. For the driver the court only handed out the legal sentence not the ones he has to live with.
He could have given the driver three years for each victim. Thats 18 years in total. Instead he got three years, and out in 18 months.
18 months for six deaths...that works out at 3 months for each death. Not much really is it? Three months for killing somebody, whether deliberate or not.
Another person would get more than three months for punching somebody in the face sometimes.
It is a ludicrously soft sentence, even by todays soft sentence judges.
Sex God
Yeah have to agree. Its not really worth making all the comparisons, but I have to say it sounds by what I have read that he should serve a longer sentence if only as an example to others who drive without taking enough care.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
He could have given the driver three years for each victim. Thats 18 years in total. Instead he got three years, and out in 18 months.
18 months for six deaths...that works out at 3 months for each death. Not much really is it? Three months for killing somebody, whether deliberate or not.
Another person would get more than three months for punching somebody in the face sometimes.
It is a ludicrously soft sentence, even by todays soft sentence judges.
Thats a facile arguement - Punching someone is done with intent
I stand by what I say though understand the emotive issues behind it, I have the luxury of not being intimately involved thank god. If i was then I know I would of asked for more. Much more
Sex God
Quote by Silk and Big G
Yeah have to agree. Its not really worth making all the comparisons, but I have to say it sounds by what I have read that he should serve a longer sentence if only as an example to others who drive without taking enough care.
I think you can only take each case as individual. Setting examples sounds dodgy to me. I guess that maybe be a unique position I hold but hey.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
He could have given the driver three years for each victim. Thats 18 years in total. Instead he got three years, and out in 18 months.
18 months for six deaths...that works out at 3 months for each death. Not much really is it? Three months for killing somebody, whether deliberate or not.
Another person would get more than three months for punching somebody in the face sometimes.
It is a ludicrously soft sentence, even by todays soft sentence judges.
From what I read today the judge couldn't give 18 years - since the deaths were all a single (tragic) event, the sentences had to run concurrently. A point of law apparently.
There is an ad on late at the moment - wherever a guy looks he sees the broken body and staring eyes of a young lad he knocked down and killed. It's clear that the memory is destroying him.
While I can fully understand that nothing less than a sentence of a slow and agonising death could ever be enough for the bereaved family, the 'perpetrator' surely suffers far worse than any punishment a court has the power to offer. At least I hope they do.
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He could have given the driver three years for each victim. Thats 18 years in total. Instead he got three years, and out in 18 months.
18 months for six deaths...that works out at 3 months for each death. Not much really is it? Three months for killing somebody, whether deliberate or not.
Another person would get more than three months for punching somebody in the face sometimes.
It is a ludicrously soft sentence, even by todays soft sentence judges.
From what I read today the judge couldn't give 18 years - since the deaths were all a single (tragic) event, the sentences had to run concurrently. A point of law apparently.
There is an ad on late at the moment - wherever a guy looks he sees the broken body and staring eyes of a young lad he knocked down and killed. It's clear that the memory is destroying him.
While I can fully understand that nothing less than a sentence of a slow and agonising death could ever be enough for the bereaved family, the 'perpetrator' surely suffers far worse than any punishment a court has the power to offer. At least I hope they do.
good point ...
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yes i agree he will be thinking about this for the rest of his life (or should be) but so will the families involved .... Imagine a grandmother not only burying her son or daughter but her grandchildren too, a family totally wiped out.
On sentancing today they have said he will be out in 1 yr 27 days (roughly) because of time already served ! madness !
On sentancing today they have said he will be out in 1 yr 27 days (roughly) because of time already served ! madness !
Sex God
We are all I suspect guilty of driving without due care and I've never killed anyone.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
We are all I suspect guilty of driving without due care and I've never killed anyone.
That is the same with anything.
Most break the law at some time or another, but..........we know what will happen if we get caught.
He was a tosser who got caught, but in this case the sentence did not fit the crime.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
We are all I suspect guilty of driving without due care and I've never killed anyone.
That is the same with anything.
Most break the law at some time or another, but..........we know what will happen if we get caught.
He was a tosser who got caught, but in this case the sentence did not fit the crime.
Obviously the courts don't agree.....try lobbying your mp to see if he can get it referred back......there is I believe a system of appeal by higher courts against what is viewed as a lenient sentence.
However I'm not party to the details of the case as I wasn't present in court.....so I'm not prepared to judge the driver or indeed anyone else.
Quote by kentswingers777
We are all I suspect guilty of driving without due care and I've never killed anyone.
That is the same with anything.
Most break the law at some time or another, but..........we know what will happen if we get caught.
He was a tosser who got caught, but in this case the sentence did not fit the crime.
god hope that it never happens...but i hope you ask for the maximun penalty that can be placed on you,if you ever happen to be in that position....well its only the right thing to do isn't it?
Quote by Mr-Powers
We are all I suspect guilty of driving without due care and I've never killed anyone.
That is the same with anything.
Most break the law at some time or another, but..........we know what will happen if we get caught.
He was a tosser who got caught, but in this case the sentence did not fit the crime.
god hope that it never happens...but i hope you ask for the maximun penalty that can be placed on you,if you ever happen to be in that position....well its only the right thing to do isn't it?
Yes you are right BUT.......it was not me, thank God.
Quote by flower411
We can all but hope that the driver DOES suffer.
HE and HE alone caused those deaths..........period for me.
As somebody has already said that if driving a 40 tonn lorry, without due care and attention is nor bloody dangerous, then I do not know what is either.
Riding a motorcycle too fast on public roads can cause a huge amount of damage ...
Be careful what you wish for ........
Why the childish comment?
I presume that was a dig at me becuse I ride a fast mororbike?
You don't know how I ride, so do not make wild assumptions, it does not suit ya.
Quote by kentswingers777
We can all but hope that the driver DOES suffer.
HE and HE alone caused those deaths..........period for me.
As somebody has already said that if driving a 40 tonn lorry, without due care and attention is nor bloody dangerous, then I do not know what is either.
Riding a motorcycle too fast on public roads can cause a huge amount of damage ...
Be careful what you wish for ........
Why the childish comment?
I presume that was a dig at me becuse I ride a fast mororbike?
You don't know how I ride, so do not make wild assumptions, it does not suit ya.
Actually i do believe you have,you have mentioned it in the past that you like to go fast!
Quote by Mr-Powers
We can all but hope that the driver DOES suffer.
HE and HE alone caused those deaths..........period for me.
As somebody has already said that if driving a 40 tonn lorry, without due care and attention is nor bloody dangerous, then I do not know what is either.
Riding a motorcycle too fast on public roads can cause a huge amount of damage ...
Be careful what you wish for ........
Why the childish comment?
I presume that was a dig at me becuse I ride a fast mororbike?
You don't know how I ride, so do not make wild assumptions, it does not suit ya.
Actually i do believe you have,you have mentioned it in the past that you like to go fast!
Have I?
Would you like to find where I have said it, or is that also a wild assumption?
Quote by kentswingers777
We are all I suspect guilty of driving without due care and I've never killed anyone.
That is the same with anything.
Most break the law at some time or another, but..........we know what will happen if we get caught.
He was a tosser who got caught, but in this case the sentence did not fit the crime.
Sorry ...... I didnt mean to stop the thread .....and thinking about it ..... do I want that on here? Probably not!......... sorry
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sex God
That draws a line under that then Sam , Thank You xxxx
I doubt even the most adamant and self righteous among us would want to contradict such a comment.
Sorry for your loss
I doubt even the most adamant and self righteous among us would want to contradict such a comment.
Sorry for your loss
Sex God
Ah you knew it was going nowhere anyway x
We all did
We all did
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Yep got to agree law is an ass ...
Read in the metro today about a father of three who burst into the local drug dealers house and flushed his drug stash down the loo and the father of three got three months Jail.
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Read in the metro today about a father of three who burst into the local drug dealers house and flushed his drug stash down the loo and the father of three got three months Jail.
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