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Quote by MidsCouple24
and I have said that not everything she did was right or good for the nation, but that can be said of almost every prime minister throughout our history and will be said about everyone to come.
Will we dance and sing at the death of every PM ?
What I am saying is her family will be grief stricken they don't deserve what is being done, the PM said it today in the House of Commons where many Labour MPs showed their usual selves and did not even turn up. He said he didn't like her policies but had to respect her.
They all put her down but haven't got the balls to either do what she did and stand up to be counted for their policies or change the ones she made, the only reason for not changing them is that they quietly agree with them but will not take the flak that might come with admitting it.
I did not witness the hatred and singing or parties I witness now when Bin Laden was killed or when Saddam was hanged.
I didn't witness those things when murderers, rapists and paedophiles were caught and imprisoned, I just think that whatever you think about her this is wrong, ignore her death, show sorrow for it but not this.
We all know I get passionate about some things, this is one of them not for Baroness Thatcher but for the dismay it brings about the British People that they would treat someone this way and that they allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the Political Propaganda machine that blames her for everything
Mids, the way you go on makes it sound as if the majority of British people are having parties! Which isn't true of course.
Have you looked on You Tube, Facebook and Twitter, have you seen the gutter press focusing on the hatred, have you read the outrageous claims on here of what she is responsible before and after her reign in office.
Isolated incidents would have been bad enough but this is more than isolated incidents it says a lot more about British people than it does about her.
Isolated incidents would have been bad enough but this is more than isolated incidents it says a lot more about British people than it does about her.
Quote by flower411
Have you looked on You Tube, Facebook and Twitter, have you seen the gutter press focusing on the hatred, have you read the outrageous claims on here of what she is responsible before and after her reign in office.
Isolated incidents would have been bad enough but this is more than isolated incidents it says a lot more about British people than it does about her.
There is not a single "outrageous" claim !
Go on ....just name one.
Calm down, an ex prime minister has died, it`s no big deal.
OK ...my apologies ! I have read through the thread and I`ve found some outrageous claims.
1. Margaret Thatcher stood down.
2. Tony Blair was elected immediately after she went.
3. The Poll Tax was a good idea
4. She did everything for the benefit of this country and not simply for her own personal political gain.
5. We still have a personal local taxation system rather than one based on property values.
6. That people didn`t live on credit before Thatcher .....
But of course the most outrageous of outrageous claims was that I said the last one !!
So yes mids, you are right, there have been some pretty outrageous claims made on this thread !
You got one thing right, an ex prime minister has died no big deal, no reason to sing songs, no reason to paint graffiti everywhere, no need to throw celebratory parties, just let it pass and spare a thought for her family.
And what you got wrong, again you didn't answer the fundamental question, if all she did was wrong why have no prime ministers since changed anything she did ?
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Have you looked on You Tube, Facebook and Twitter, have you seen the gutter press focusing on the hatred, have you read the outrageous claims on here of what she is responsible before and after her reign in office.
Isolated incidents would have been bad enough but this is more than isolated incidents it says a lot more about British people than it does about her.
There is not a single "outrageous" claim !
Go on ....just name one.
Calm down, an ex prime minister has died, it`s no big deal.
OK ...my apologies ! I have read through the thread and I`ve found some outrageous claims.
1. Margaret Thatcher stood down.
2. Tony Blair was elected immediately after she went.
3. The Poll Tax was a good idea
4. She did everything for the benefit of this country and not simply for her own personal political gain.
5. We still have a personal local taxation system rather than one based on property values.
6. That people didn`t live on credit before Thatcher .....
But of course the most outrageous of outrageous claims was that I said the last one !!
So yes mids, you are right, there have been some pretty outrageous claims made on this thread !
You got one thing right, an ex prime minister has died no big deal, no reason to sing songs, no reason to paint graffiti everywhere, no need to throw celebratory parties, just let it pass and spare a thought for her family.
And what you got wrong, again you didn't answer the fundamental question, if all she did was wrong why have no prime ministers since changed anything she did?
Sure there are many things that Thatcher did which have been undone, but here's a biggy, so big that it led to HER OWN Party, the ones who over the last few days have been saying how great she was, removing her as P.M.
The Community Charge (popularly known as the poll tax) was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of the rates to part fund local government in Scotland from 1989, and England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The Community Charge poll tax was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.
John
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Have you looked on You Tube, Facebook and Twitter, have you seen the gutter press focusing on the hatred, have you read the outrageous claims on here of what she is responsible before and after her reign in office.
Isolated incidents would have been bad enough but this is more than isolated incidents it says a lot more about British people than it does about her.
There is not a single "outrageous" claim !
Go on ....just name one.
Calm down, an ex prime minister has died, it`s no big deal.
OK ...my apologies ! I have read through the thread and I`ve found some outrageous claims.
1. Margaret Thatcher stood down.
2. Tony Blair was elected immediately after she went.
3. The Poll Tax was a good idea
4. She did everything for the benefit of this country and not simply for her own personal political gain.
5. We still have a personal local taxation system rather than one based on property values.
6. That people didn`t live on credit before Thatcher .....
But of course the most outrageous of outrageous claims was that I said the last one !!
So yes mids, you are right, there have been some pretty outrageous claims made on this thread !
You got one thing right, an ex prime minister has died no big deal, no reason to sing songs, no reason to paint graffiti everywhere, no need to throw celebratory parties, just let it pass and spare a thought for her family.
And what you got wrong, again you didn't answer the fundamental question, if all she did was wrong why have no prime ministers since changed anything she did?
Sure there are many things that Thatcher did which have been undone, but here's a biggy, so big that it led to HER OWN Party, the ones who over the last few days have been saying how great she was, removing her as P.M.
The Community Charge (popularly known as the poll tax) was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of the rates to part fund local government in Scotland from 1989, and England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The Community Charge poll tax was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.
John
OK, so can you tell me the difference between Council Tax, Poll Tax and Rates, as I understand it Rates were based on a home irrespective of the number of occupants, Council Tax and Poll Tax are based on the individual living in a home no matter how many live in the house, ie 2 people living there they both pay, 10 people living they all 10 pay unlike the rates system where 10 could live in a house and only one flat rate was charged.
Quote by MidsCouple24
OK, so can you tell me the difference between Council Tax, Poll Tax and Rates, as I understand it Rates were based on a home irrespective of the number of occupants, Council Tax and Poll Tax are based on the individual living in a home no matter how many live in the house, ie 2 people living there they both pay, 10 people living they all 10 pay unlike the rates system where 10 could live in a house and only one flat rate was charged.
Council tax is determined by the notional value of the house, split into 8 various bands. The tax is based on 2 adults sharing a property and there is a 25% discount for single dwellers,
If there were 10 adults living in the property, the council tax would be the same as if there were two.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Have you looked on You Tube, Facebook and Twitter, have you seen the gutter press focusing on the hatred, have you read the outrageous claims on here of what she is responsible before and after her reign in office.
Isolated incidents would have been bad enough but this is more than isolated incidents it says a lot more about British people than it does about her.
There is not a single "outrageous" claim !
Go on ....just name one.
Calm down, an ex prime minister has died, it`s no big deal.
OK ...my apologies ! I have read through the thread and I`ve found some outrageous claims.
1. Margaret Thatcher stood down.
2. Tony Blair was elected immediately after she went.
3. The Poll Tax was a good idea
4. She did everything for the benefit of this country and not simply for her own personal political gain.
5. We still have a personal local taxation system rather than one based on property values.
6. That people didn`t live on credit before Thatcher .....
But of course the most outrageous of outrageous claims was that I said the last one !!
So yes mids, you are right, there have been some pretty outrageous claims made on this thread !
You got one thing right, an ex prime minister has died no big deal, no reason to sing songs, no reason to paint graffiti everywhere, no need to throw celebratory parties, just let it pass and spare a thought for her family.
And what you got wrong, again you didn't answer the fundamental question, if all she did was wrong why have no prime ministers since changed anything she did?
Sure there are many things that Thatcher did which have been undone, but here's a biggy, so big that it led to HER OWN Party, the ones who over the last few days have been saying how great she was, removing her as P.M.
The Community Charge (popularly known as the poll tax) was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of the rates to part fund local government in Scotland from 1989, and England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The Community Charge poll tax was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.
John
OK, so can you tell me the difference between Council Tax, Poll Tax and Rates, as I understand it Rates were based on a home irrespective of the number of occupants, Council Tax and Poll Tax are based on the individual living in a home no matter how many live in the house, ie 2 people living there they both pay, 10 people living they all 10 pay unlike the rates system where 10 could live in a house and only one flat rate was charged.
In a nutshell Rates and Council tax were / are based on the rateable value of a house, notionally how much it would attract if it were rented out, tho the figures bear no resemblance to reality. So leaving out rebates and such due to special cases a family of four (with the children of working age) would pay same Council tax as a family of two living next door to them in the same sort of house. Whereas with the poll tax it was based on how many adults lived inthe house, therefore the family of four would pay twice as much as the family of two.
When Maggie introduced it, there were many riots, the Tory party could see it might lose them the next election, they begged Maggie to abandon the idea. She wouldn't (the Ladys not for turning) so another Tory MP challengered her to a leadership contest. Without the support of her "loyal" Cabinet Ministers and many MPs she was doomed.
When John Major became PM the poll tax was abandonded. IE a Maggie policy was reversed.
But never forget, The Iron Lady, darling of the Tories, was shafted well and truely BY them because they were sure she was going to cost them the next election.
John
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Quote by funswing92
RIP Maggie xx second only to Winston Churchill xx
know which one we'd sooner still living
Sex God
Quote by funswing92
RIP Maggie xx second only to Winston Churchill xx
Churchill warned of the menace of Nazism and united the country in its hour of need.
Maggie encouraged the Argies to invade the Falklands by removing the patrol / research vessel Endevour, then gained popularity by having to fight a war to reclaim the Islands, then she devided the country like no other PM has done, still today, in death she devides the Country.
John
Actually Endeavour was still there when they invaded though it had been scheduled to be taken out of commission there were talks going on about replacing it with a warship which some thought was less expensive and more "fit for purpose" the research ship wasn't researching much but a warship has to be patrolling somewhere, with the end of the cold war our NATO commitment was being reduced and a ship from that fleet would have been a much more cost effective and would enable a ship to patrol the area for a tour then replaced by another so as to allow maintenance, rest etc for the ship and it's crew.
Baroness Thatcher would not have been the one to decommission the ship, she might have to give final approval but it would have been an Admiralty decision to make any changes in the South Atlantic and she would have made her final decision based on their advice, you know the people who got all those medals after the war, the people who had decided we no longer needed aircraft carriers and planned to run it's navy with only helicopter carriers, had it not been for the wonders of the Harrier we would not have been able to consider retaining the islands, nor could we have done it without the aid of the Australian and New Zealand Navy who gave us substantial help with their ships.
Maggies instigation of the sale of exocet missiles to Argentina during the conflict was a magnificent strategic coup.
Sir Winston, love and respected him, was sad when he died and I remember just what I was doing the day he did, but he made mistakes as Lord of the Admiralty his ridiculous plans for the opening of a second front at Galipoli during WWI cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
The truth is all Prime Ministers will make mistakes and if we do it right we remove them from office for their errors as we should do with all leaders of big business that fail, but we should not wish them dead.
Baroness Thatcher would not have been the one to decommission the ship, she might have to give final approval but it would have been an Admiralty decision to make any changes in the South Atlantic and she would have made her final decision based on their advice, you know the people who got all those medals after the war, the people who had decided we no longer needed aircraft carriers and planned to run it's navy with only helicopter carriers, had it not been for the wonders of the Harrier we would not have been able to consider retaining the islands, nor could we have done it without the aid of the Australian and New Zealand Navy who gave us substantial help with their ships.
Maggies instigation of the sale of exocet missiles to Argentina during the conflict was a magnificent strategic coup.
Sir Winston, love and respected him, was sad when he died and I remember just what I was doing the day he did, but he made mistakes as Lord of the Admiralty his ridiculous plans for the opening of a second front at Galipoli during WWI cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
The truth is all Prime Ministers will make mistakes and if we do it right we remove them from office for their errors as we should do with all leaders of big business that fail, but we should not wish them dead.
Sex God
One thing often forgotten about Churchill is that he was dropped like a hot stone by the Country when they no longer saw a need for him. This came merely two months after the Armistice with Germany and a month before the end of the second World War.
On a much smaller scale Mrs Thatcher, as was, was dropped like a hot stone by her party when they no longer saw a need for her.
Isn't it amazing that these two stalwart leaders are often pushed towards the same pedestal, but both had similar fates.
On a much smaller scale Mrs Thatcher, as was, was dropped like a hot stone by her party when they no longer saw a need for her.
Isn't it amazing that these two stalwart leaders are often pushed towards the same pedestal, but both had similar fates.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Actually Endeavour was still there when they invaded though it had been scheduled to be taken out of commission there were talks going on about replacing it with a warship which some thought was less expensive and more "fit for purpose" the research ship wasn't researching much but a warship has to be patrolling somewhere, with the end of the cold war our NATO commitment was being reduced and a ship from that fleet would have been a much more cost effective and would enable a ship to patrol the area for a tour then replaced by another so as to allow maintenance, rest etc for the ship and it's crew.
Baroness Thatcher would not have been the one to decommission the ship, she might have to give final approval but it would have been an Admiralty decision to make any changes in the South Atlantic and she would have made her final decision based on their advice, you know the people who got all those medals after the war, the people who had decided we no longer needed aircraft carriers and planned to run it's navy with only helicopter carriers, had it not been for the wonders of the Harrier we would not have been able to consider retaining the islands, nor could we have done it without the aid of the Australian and New Zealand Navy who gave us substantial help with their ships.
Maggies instigation of the sale of exocet missiles to Argentina during the conflict was a magnificent strategic coup.
Sir Winston, love and respected him, was sad when he died and I remember just what I was doing the day he did, but he made mistakes as Lord of the Admiralty his ridiculous plans for the opening of a second front at Galipoli during WWI cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
The truth is all Prime Ministers will make mistakes and if we do it right we remove them from office for their errors as we should do with all leaders of big business that fail, but we should not wish them dead.
Looking it up your correct about Endevour, I thought it actually had been withdrawn rather than just talked about.
But 1982 was not the end of the cold war, it was actually the height of the cold war ! So it would have been most unlikely the Admirals would have wanted to deploy a Fleet warship to sail around the Falklands all year.
John
The end of the Cold War had started, it did not happen overnight with the election of Gorbachev, talks had been going on for some time, Gorbachev even visited Prime Minister Thatcher in 1984 and the US President a year later following years of discussion.
Although officially the cold war did not end until 1985 the west knew that the USSR was almost bankrupt, the war in Afghanistan was taking it's toll upon their armed forces, the 1979 SALT II agreement had paved the way for an end to the main hostilities and Russia was more worried about the breakup of the Union with Poland and Solidarity already causing major problems.
The Argentine Government decided to invade the Falkland Islands for one reason, to take the heat off themselves in a time of absolute turmoil and out of control inflation at home, there is no doubt that the Admiralty made them think it was a good time to do it.
Facing cuts in their budget back in the 1981 defence paper (have we heard that sort of thing before and since) they had decided to take the Ice Patrol Ship out of the antartic region, to be replaced by one of the ships that patrols the Atlantic without the need to go into the antartic, they also planned to sell off the new aircraft carrier Invincible and the landing (amphibious) ships Fearless and Intrepid, they cancelled the new Type 43 and Type 44 Destroyers.
The Admiralty also planned to disband the entire Royal Marine Amphibious Force, this was what made Galterie believe that the invasion would be unoposed and not counter attacked.
Now you can say that the Tories and MT ordered the defence cuts but it was the Admiraly as it has to be that decides where those cuts will be made and back in 1981/82 they got it totally wrong believing that our Navy should be strengthened by submarines and would not need aircraft carriers or amphibious ships (which were not only invaluable in the Falklands but are an essential in rescue mode for taking civilians from beaches to safety on our caribbean islands as they have done since 1982)
Although officially the cold war did not end until 1985 the west knew that the USSR was almost bankrupt, the war in Afghanistan was taking it's toll upon their armed forces, the 1979 SALT II agreement had paved the way for an end to the main hostilities and Russia was more worried about the breakup of the Union with Poland and Solidarity already causing major problems.
The Argentine Government decided to invade the Falkland Islands for one reason, to take the heat off themselves in a time of absolute turmoil and out of control inflation at home, there is no doubt that the Admiralty made them think it was a good time to do it.
Facing cuts in their budget back in the 1981 defence paper (have we heard that sort of thing before and since) they had decided to take the Ice Patrol Ship out of the antartic region, to be replaced by one of the ships that patrols the Atlantic without the need to go into the antartic, they also planned to sell off the new aircraft carrier Invincible and the landing (amphibious) ships Fearless and Intrepid, they cancelled the new Type 43 and Type 44 Destroyers.
The Admiralty also planned to disband the entire Royal Marine Amphibious Force, this was what made Galterie believe that the invasion would be unoposed and not counter attacked.
Now you can say that the Tories and MT ordered the defence cuts but it was the Admiraly as it has to be that decides where those cuts will be made and back in 1981/82 they got it totally wrong believing that our Navy should be strengthened by submarines and would not need aircraft carriers or amphibious ships (which were not only invaluable in the Falklands but are an essential in rescue mode for taking civilians from beaches to safety on our caribbean islands as they have done since 1982)
Sex God
Was discussing this with someone on FB last night. Never mind street parties, we're both expecting something much more serious to kick off next week. The funeral's going two ways: pageant by day, riot by night I have no fucking doubt. I think the 10m cos of the funeral is gonna pale into insignificance alongside the policing and cleaning up bill for afters, small potatoes really. I hope the Met are ready for it.
The anger has been coming anyway with this current administration, bedroom tax and the like, the funeral is just perfect timing to light the blue touch paper. What a class bitch, kicking off riots and burning streets even in death! Part of me thinks it's a good thing if the anger does come, but for the sensible humanitarian in me that recognises it will be a world of pain for some of it does.
The anger has been coming anyway with this current administration, bedroom tax and the like, the funeral is just perfect timing to light the blue touch paper. What a class bitch, kicking off riots and burning streets even in death! Part of me thinks it's a good thing if the anger does come, but for the sensible humanitarian in me that recognises it will be a world of pain for some of it does.
Sex God
Quote by HnS
That some one has died, then yes it's a loss of life though all life is finite.
However news that former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, believe some will celebrate more than others.
Going back to the original post, it's been entertaining and informative reading since - especially about things those of us who lived through the 'Thatcher Years' had forgotten about or never made the news in whatever party of the world we inhabited.
It's certainly been interesting reading through post in favour or against her, from all sides and reminders of the divisions within her own Party.
Also think that Neil might also be correct, with the various civil disturbances so far during the 'Coalition Years' probably never being resolved, plus with the current Benefit, Welfare, and Taxation changes coupled with continued economic upheaval re-igniting political debate like few other PM's have been able to do in the last 30+years, informed and articulated debate will be hijacked by attention seekers this week.
I think those that believe they suffered under Thatcher rule are older and wiser, they may still hate her but know that burning and looting their communities is not the way to celebrate her death, if there are riots it will be the young delinquents once again using the funeral as an excuse as they used excuses for the last riots. The TVs they looted are outdated now and I am sure they want to replace them and that's all they want.
Those that might riot truly based on the reasons of disagreeing with government policies will be doing it because of current policies not those of 30 - 40 years ago.
Those that might riot truly based on the reasons of disagreeing with government policies will be doing it because of current policies not those of 30 - 40 years ago.
If they break the law they can be arrested and dealt with by the courts, your always telling me how we have to obey the law.
The police cannot make an arrest without suspecting a law has been broken, it would then be up to the CPS to see if there is a case to answer and if so it would be then up to a magistrate or judge and perhaps jury to convict or not convict them.
The law I refer to is one of intent, it is against the law to simply intend to break the law, of course it might be difficult to prove but that is for the courts and CPS and jurys to decide not us.
Now the Police are not perfect but that's why we have a legal system not just a singularity in policing policies and law.
A person holding a placard is expressing their legal right of freedom to express an opinion, a person holding a weapon could very easily be contrued to be intent on commiting a crime.
A bricklayer holding a brick is probably working, a protester holding a brick, well you don't need me to explain in what circumstances a Police Officer may construe their next action. The Police are paid to prevent crime not just enforce laws when a crime has been committed.
If you were walking down the street and a person approached you holding a baseball bat in a threatening manner you would expect an office of the law to intervene not wait until you have been struck by the aformentioned weapon.
Even the Police are innocent until proven guilty, something you seem to have missed in your post.
The police cannot make an arrest without suspecting a law has been broken, it would then be up to the CPS to see if there is a case to answer and if so it would be then up to a magistrate or judge and perhaps jury to convict or not convict them.
The law I refer to is one of intent, it is against the law to simply intend to break the law, of course it might be difficult to prove but that is for the courts and CPS and jurys to decide not us.
Now the Police are not perfect but that's why we have a legal system not just a singularity in policing policies and law.
A person holding a placard is expressing their legal right of freedom to express an opinion, a person holding a weapon could very easily be contrued to be intent on commiting a crime.
A bricklayer holding a brick is probably working, a protester holding a brick, well you don't need me to explain in what circumstances a Police Officer may construe their next action. The Police are paid to prevent crime not just enforce laws when a crime has been committed.
If you were walking down the street and a person approached you holding a baseball bat in a threatening manner you would expect an office of the law to intervene not wait until you have been struck by the aformentioned weapon.
Even the Police are innocent until proven guilty, something you seem to have missed in your post.
well.....it seems we are in a fascist, controlling state after all... Firstly the BBC refuse to play " The wicked witch is dead " despite it being in the charts. It has no offense words in it, and although some may find it disrespectful, the fact is a great number of people have paid money for it. Since when did the BBC decide upon good taste. So may records have swear words badly bleeped out in them, and get played on a regular basis on the radio.
Then Mids....yes despite no offence being committed,it seems over 200 people have been warned by the police to stay away, and told that their movements will be tracked !!!
However in light of tonights events......maybe they looking in the wrong place, and at the wrong people. Soldiers and military lining the route, prime target for Al Quida. Scarey to think the police have to try and protect the whole of that route.
Then Mids....yes despite no offence being committed,it seems over 200 people have been warned by the police to stay away, and told that their movements will be tracked !!!
However in light of tonights events......maybe they looking in the wrong place, and at the wrong people. Soldiers and military lining the route, prime target for Al Quida. Scarey to think the police have to try and protect the whole of that route.
This is the BBC that refuses to play Cliff Richards your talking about and thats the truth someone at the beeb thinks he dominates the charts too much at christmas for the xmas No1 spot so have banned the playing of his music for years
Meanwhile I can't believe what Thatcher did in Boston today, I mean it must have been her after all she did everthing else
Meanwhile I can't believe what Thatcher did in Boston today, I mean it must have been her after all she did everthing else
Quote by MidsCouple24
This is the BBC that refuses to play Cliff Richards your talking about and thats the truth someone at the beeb thinks he dominates the charts too much at christmas for the xmas No1 spot so have banned the playing of his music for years
Meanwhile I can't believe what Thatcher did in Boston today, I mean it must have been her after all she did everthing else
Firstly its not up to the BBC to choose what number someone happens to be. that is the independent charts commission. They actually show the total sales each day for the record. So no the BBC do not ban Cliff Richard being number one.
As for your comments about Boston, I simply think they are inappropriate, ill timed, and most definitely not funny.
Of course it isnt the BBC's right to choose, they above all they should be independant but that is their policy not mine, I quite like the odd Cliff record and do respect him as a performing artist.
As for the Boston comments, the response is funny, inappropriate to refer to an incident like that but not inappropriate to celebrate a death or to sing songs of hatred about someone, double standards, double standards.
As for the Boston comments, the response is funny, inappropriate to refer to an incident like that but not inappropriate to celebrate a death or to sing songs of hatred about someone, double standards, double standards.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Of course it isnt the BBC's right to choose, they above all they should be independant but that is their policy not mine, I quite like the odd Cliff record and do respect him as a performing artist.
As for the Boston comments, the response is funny, inappropriate to refer to an incident like that but not inappropriate to celebrate a death or to sing songs of hatred about someone, double standards, double standards.
Sorry but I don't find anything about what happened in Boston as Funny. As for double standards...NO..read back to my very first comment I said on page three of this thread
" I shall not celebrate a death.....but I am damned sure I shall shed no tears " I have not said you have not got a write to put what you have about Boston....I just don't find it funny, and yes I do find it inappropriate.
and as for Cliff Richard....he gets played on radio two and other BBC stations, but to be fair to Radio One, unless in the charts, I don't think their listens would really appreciate " Mistletoe and Wine " once an hour !!!
Sorry Dean if I made my Thatcher/Boston comments sound like it was aimed at what you said, I should have put it in a seperate post because it was aimed at those who HAVE said they are celebrating her death.
It is when Cliff is in the charts (usually at Christmas) that I object to Radio 1's stance on not playing his music simply becuase he chooses to make Xmas records, especially in his case as one of the reasons he does it is perhaps to be the Xmas No1 but his other reason is his deep religious beliefs and the fact that his xmas records are normally related to the celebration of the birth of christ, a non believer myself I respect his choice to believe and celebrate in a way he feels right to do so.
It is when Cliff is in the charts (usually at Christmas) that I object to Radio 1's stance on not playing his music simply becuase he chooses to make Xmas records, especially in his case as one of the reasons he does it is perhaps to be the Xmas No1 but his other reason is his deep religious beliefs and the fact that his xmas records are normally related to the celebration of the birth of christ, a non believer myself I respect his choice to believe and celebrate in a way he feels right to do so.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Cliff Richard brings out songs at Christmas because of his deep religious beliefs !!
That`s like saying that Simon Cowell believes he is enriching our lives with quality talent
That'll Be The Day
:rotflmao:
Sex God
Not a celebration as such, but a peaceful protest for those who'd like to make their disgust at the 10m cost of her not-State funeral ( plus policing and clean-up of course ) known on Wednesday:
Me, I'll be marking her funeral by going to the first planning meeting of my local group to see if the time might be ripe for the formation of a true consensus party of the broad left seeing as there's no opposition whatsoever any more to the neo-liberalism of Tory, Lib-Dem and Labour alike.
Me, I'll be marking her funeral by going to the first planning meeting of my local group to see if the time might be ripe for the formation of a true consensus party of the broad left seeing as there's no opposition whatsoever any more to the neo-liberalism of Tory, Lib-Dem and Labour alike.
Sex God
A disgusting indictment of just how low our social standards have dropped when protest is even considered at a funeral of a former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
Just out of common respect could this protest not be made after she has been laid to rest.
There appears to be very little respect amongst those who would use such a solemn occasion to act in such an ignorant manner particularly when the eyes of the world will be on us. To hold grudges for 30 years is simply ridiculous and is probably indicative of why so many in this country can't move forward in their lives without blaming someone else for their continuing misfortunes.
Just out of common respect could this protest not be made after she has been laid to rest.
There appears to be very little respect amongst those who would use such a solemn occasion to act in such an ignorant manner particularly when the eyes of the world will be on us. To hold grudges for 30 years is simply ridiculous and is probably indicative of why so many in this country can't move forward in their lives without blaming someone else for their continuing misfortunes.
Sex God
A disgusting indictment of just how low our social standards have dropped when protest is even considered at a funeral of a former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
What's more disgusting, the cost to the tax-payer of the state-sponsored official period of mourning for St Margaret Hilda of Grantham, or the protest against it? I'm going with the 10 million plus. Sorry. BTW, the protest is nationwide. It's not at anyone's funeral. It's not like we're lining up alongside the bloody grave as she's lowered into it, is it?
Just out of common respect could this protest not be made after she has been laid to rest.
Protesting about the cost of the funeral after the funeral would hardly make for an effective protest, would it? When would you have us do it? Next week?