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Quote by Steve
So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?

because they live in rural areas.
i have never seen anyone forced into the country though. so i would presume that peeple live there for the peace and tranquility that living in a rural area brings. no huge traffic problems. no noisy building works etc.
i would happily pay double for my fuel if i could live in an area of beauty and no cars and looking out onto rolling countryside. i pay 5p more a litre for my fuel as in london garages have jumped on the wagon of charging more than the average, yet have to put up with noise and pollution and high rise flats, and even our local park has been sold off for some kind of housing project. not much rolling countryside around this way steve.
as you say steve if it costs more money to get the fuel there, and they are in no way forced to live there, then why should there fuel be cheeper than what i pay for it dunno
next they will be asking for a subsidy on buying a new car as they have to have one in a rural area. until a time comes when peeple are forced into an area of peace and tranquilty, they should thank there lucky stars of there good fortune. :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple
next they will be asking for a subsidy on buying a new car as they have to have one in a rural area. until a time comes when peeple are forced into an area of peace and tranquilty, they should thank there lucky stars of there good fortune. :thumbup:

What a good idea, why didn't I think of that :doh:
Quote by starlightcouple
I don't know what I pay for a litre or a gallon of Diesel, the simple fact I face is that if I need it I have to pay the price but I am this way because I rarely use my car, it is 18 months old and has less than 5000 miles on the clock so with that kind of useage it is not worth me caring, I sympathise with those that have to do a lot of mileage and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in, I am against this form of taxation, of course if your a politician you can claim it back as expenses and don't even have to pay road tax for your 1st vehicle so it's not bad for everyone and as a politician you can even claim back your fuel costs for getting to and from work so at least some people can stay above the poverty line and still run a car comfortably, oh and you can claim back any interest you pay on purchasing your car and the VAT element of purchasing it, service costs, new tyres etc.

ah so your are one of the two then? rotflmao
Quote by MidsCouple24
and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in

i think we have done the london does everything wrong talk. innocent
i think you will find that london is not the only place where your comments are correct. there are plenty of other places where you would have to pay or have a permit to park outside your house. they are not all in london you will be suprised to heer. :doh:

these are not just in london where parking outside your home is a problem. i have a permit that is given to me by my local council. no charges for me and i live in london :thumbup:

seems paying to park even in your area costs money. flipa
Sorry for supporting Londoners and anyone else who has to pay for what most of us get for free and part of our council tax entitlement. I will not support you all then, I will not think it is unfair that you have to pay it ha ha hope the prices go up and they impose more unfair taxes on you all ...... there does that make you happy (talk about can't do right for doing wrong if I support Londoners I am having a go at them, if I don't support them I am having a go at them, I think it is more yours own hang-ups you should worry about, not mine.
Quote by Steve
Sorry but if it cost's more to get the product there then it's naturally going to have to be priced higher....
A news article I saw said they pay 4p a litre more and there was a move to get them a reduction of 5p per litre...
So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?

Many rural areas are closer to the refinery.... Even if we except the extra traveling cost argument, 4 to 5 pence a litre on a tanker full of fuel does not sound reasonable to me
Dylan Sharpe, media officer for the Alliance said: “In urban areas, the cheapest prices are around 130p, whereas in rural areas it’s 144p....That's 14 pence!.
Lets take, a 26T (6 wheeler) rigid 19,000 Ltr capacity X 14p £2'
I have not herd anyone ask to pay less and would not support that either.
Quote by starlightcouple

So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?

because they live in rural areas.
i have never seen anyone forced into the country though. so i would presume that peeple live there for the peace and tranquility that living in a rural area brings. no huge traffic problems. no noisy building works etc.
Very true Star, no one is forced to live in the countryside, but not all choose it, many are born there and work there. Not much call for farming in London I am guessing.
i would happily pay double for my fuel if i could live in an area of beauty and no cars and looking out onto rolling countryside. i pay 5p more a litre for my fuel as in london garages have jumped on the wagon of charging more than the average, yet have to put up with noise and pollution and high rise flats, and even our local park has been sold off for some kind of housing project. not much rolling countryside around this way steve.
This works both ways, no one is forced to live in London
as you say steve if it costs more money to get the fuel there, and they are in no way forced to live there, then why should there fuel be cheeper than what i pay for it dunno
Really, 5p a litre on a tanker full of fuel. 18T (4 wheeler) rigid 13,000 Ltr capacity = ... 26T (6 wheeler) rigid 19,000 Ltr capacity = ... what about the rarul areas that are closer to refinery. I fully understand there are running costs per a mile of coarse.... Dylan Sharpe, media officer for the Alliance said: “In urban areas, the cheapest prices are around 130p, whereas in rural areas it’s 144p....That's 14 pence!.
next they will be asking for a subsidy on buying a new car as they have to have one in a rural area. until a time comes when peeple are forced into an area of peace and tranquilty, they should thank there lucky stars of there good fortune. :thumbup:
If they continue to remove public transport from rarual areas you may have a point
Quote by MidsCouple24
I don't know what I pay for a litre or a gallon of Diesel, the simple fact I face is that if I need it I have to pay the price but I am this way because I rarely use my car, it is 18 months old and has less than 5000 miles on the clock so with that kind of useage it is not worth me caring, I sympathise with those that have to do a lot of mileage and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in, I am against this form of taxation, of course if your a politician you can claim it back as expenses and don't even have to pay road tax for your 1st vehicle so it's not bad for everyone and as a politician you can even claim back your fuel costs for getting to and from work so at least some people can stay above the poverty line and still run a car comfortably, oh and you can claim back any interest you pay on purchasing your car and the VAT element of purchasing it, service costs, new tyres etc.

ah so your are one of the two then? rotflmao
Quote by MidsCouple24
and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in

i think we have done the london does everything wrong talk. innocent
i think you will find that london is not the only place where your comments are correct. there are plenty of other places where you would have to pay or have a permit to park outside your house. they are not all in london you will be suprised to heer. :doh:

these are not just in london where parking outside your home is a problem. i have a permit that is given to me by my local council. no charges for me and i live in london :thumbup:

seems paying to park even in your area costs money. flipa
Sorry for supporting Londoners and anyone else who has to pay for what most of us get for free and part of our council tax entitlement. I will not support you all then, I will not think it is unfair that you have to pay it ha ha hope the prices go up and they impose more unfair taxes on you all ...... there does that make you happy (talk about can't do right for doing wrong if I support Londoners I am having a go at them, if I don't support them I am having a go at them, I think it is more yours own hang-ups you should worry about, not mine.
Heads I win, tails you loose wink
Quote by Bluefish2009
Many rural areas are closer to the refinery....

Not many rural areas closer to the 2 refineries situated within an hour of me...
A vast refinery at Kingsbury and one in B-ham (both of which I have occasion to work at)
And I know for a fact that tankers are delivering up to 4 hours drive away from Kingsbury many times a day...
So work that out....
4 hours driving time gives you roughly 180/200 miles distance if all goes well...
Work that out at about 8mpg then add on depreciation of the vehicle and drivers wages and V.E.D etc etc....
Soon mounts up.....
Then you've always got the fact that petrol station owners in rural areas know they have an almost captive audience and as such likely hike the price a little....
Quote by Bluefish2009
I don't know what I pay for a litre or a gallon of Diesel, the simple fact I face is that if I need it I have to pay the price but I am this way because I rarely use my car, it is 18 months old and has less than 5000 miles on the clock so with that kind of useage it is not worth me caring, I sympathise with those that have to do a lot of mileage and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in, I am against this form of taxation, of course if your a politician you can claim it back as expenses and don't even have to pay road tax for your 1st vehicle so it's not bad for everyone and as a politician you can even claim back your fuel costs for getting to and from work so at least some people can stay above the poverty line and still run a car comfortably, oh and you can claim back any interest you pay on purchasing your car and the VAT element of purchasing it, service costs, new tyres etc.

ah so your are one of the two then? rotflmao
Quote by MidsCouple24
and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in

i think we have done the london does everything wrong talk. innocent
i think you will find that london is not the only place where your comments are correct. there are plenty of other places where you would have to pay or have a permit to park outside your house. they are not all in london you will be suprised to heer. :doh:

these are not just in london where parking outside your home is a problem. i have a permit that is given to me by my local council. no charges for me and i live in london :thumbup:

seems paying to park even in your area costs money. flipa
Sorry for supporting Londoners and anyone else who has to pay for what most of us get for free and part of our council tax entitlement. I will not support you all then, I will not think it is unfair that you have to pay it ha ha hope the prices go up and they impose more unfair taxes on you all ...... there does that make you happy (talk about can't do right for doing wrong if I support Londoners I am having a go at them, if I don't support them I am having a go at them, I think it is more yours own hang-ups you should worry about, not mine.
Heads I win, tails you loose wink
I admit I was not aware that there are any such areas in Stoke where such rules applied, they are certainly few and far between and I am guessing are only in areas where the residents are affected by "vistor parking" such as near to Hospitals, Football grounds and the like (though neither the area outside Port Vale FC or Stoke FC have permit holders only parking.
I would understand this and it would seem to be common sense, however many areas around the country and especially in London have these Permit Holders only parking areas simply because there is not enough parking for the number of vehicles wishing to park, now while I say I think it common sense in certain areas I still do not see why people should have to pay for the right to park near thier home, to me that is what Council Tax and Road Tax payments are for. I pay both Council Tax and Road Tax and have free parking outside my house, despite some of the road outside my home having double yellow lines I can still park 5 cars directly in front of my home for free, why should some have to pay for this privelidge, some people cannot park any cars directly outside thier home due to road widths, useage etc, should these people be given a tax discount then ?
Why do councils still give planning permission for houses to be built without any suitable thought given to parking, opposite a school near me the council have allowed the building of 52 houses, none of which has a parking facilty, with the average household now owning 2 cars this means that upto 100 cars are now parking outside the school causing mayhem especially at school arrival and departure times. when they built the new Wembley stadium the local council had the cheek to insist on a much higher payment from the stadium because they said there would be much more traffic caused from the new facilities, they did back down when it was pointed out that in the days of standing room only there were double the number of people attending than these days of all seating. Some of these charges are simply "because we can"
And ................. regarding what MP's can claim for regarding thier vehicles, if those are the regulations why are MP's being allowed to claim these things and they are, recent highlighting of MPs expense claims and publication of some details showed that this IS the case, there again I suppose I know the answer, because many of the claims made are illegal and wrong.

HEADS THEY WIN TAILS WE LOSE
If rural areas have to pay more for fuel because it costs more to deliver it to rural areas, should people in areas close to refineries expect a discount on thier fuel ?
Surely that would be fair, if you can use the further away argument, I think a swings and roundabouts situation exists, it costs more to deliver to some areas but less for others obviously.
I don't know for sure but do Companies charge more for goods in rural areas ? Asda, Tesco, Land Rover, Everest ? is a tin of beans dearer in Asda's rural shops more expensive than it is in Stoke on Trent.
Aberystwyth Morrisons have the same shop floor prices as Stoke Morrisons but the Aber store is 2 hours further away from the nearest Morrisons Depot.
What is the price of a litre of fuel in the rural town of Aberystwyth which boasts only two petrol stations (one being Morrisons) compared with the price of a litre in Manchester ? surely there is an argument for "cachement" the lesser population of Aber are forced to use 2 brands of fuel whereas the competition between fuel suppliers in Manchester is vast, do they therefore sell the same amount of fuel in some of these areas, what I mean is if the stations in Aber are Morrisons and Esso they have far less competition in the area, perhaps this is why they think they can get away with the higher charges.
Quote by MidsCouple24
If rural areas have to pay more for fuel because it costs more to deliver it to rural areas, should people in areas close to refineries expect a discount on thier fuel ?
Surely that would be fair, if you can use the further away argument, I think a swings and roundabouts situation exists, it costs more to deliver to some areas but less for others obviously.
I don't know for sure but do Companies charge more for goods in rural areas ? Asda, Tesco, Land Rover, Everest ? is a tin of beans dearer in Asda's rural shops more expensive than it is in Stoke on Trent.
Aberystwyth Morrisons have the same shop floor prices as Stoke Morrisons but the Aber store is 2 hours further away from the nearest Morrisons Depot.
What is the price of a litre of fuel in the rural town of Aberystwyth which boasts only two petrol stations (one being Morrisons) compared with the price of a litre in Manchester ? surely there is an argument for "cachement" the lesser population of Aber are forced to use 2 brands of fuel whereas the competition between fuel suppliers in Manchester is vast, do they therefore sell the same amount of fuel in some of these areas, what I mean is if the stations in Aber are Morrisons and Esso they have far less competition in the area, perhaps this is why they think they can get away with the higher charges.

I have to be honest, I think the delivery cost argument is a bit red herring. For in stance, we shop at a rural Tescos store which prices are exactly the same as the one in town. Many big chain stores sell there products at a set price no matter how far from there warehouse they travel. wink
Quote by Bluefish2009
I have to be honest, I think the delivery cost argument is a bit red herring. For in stance, we shop at a rural Tescos store which prices are exactly the same as the one in town. Many big chain stores sell there products at a set price no matter how far from there warehouse they travel. wink

You may consider it a red herring but I can tell you I know it cost's them more for a delivery ....
A lot of supermarkets use their own vehicles to deliver fuel thus absorbing the cost better than using an outside source .....
Quote by Steve

I have to be honest, I think the delivery cost argument is a bit red herring. For in stance, we shop at a rural Tescos store which prices are exactly the same as the one in town. Many big chain stores sell there products at a set price no matter how far from there warehouse they travel. wink

You may consider it a red herring but I can tell you I know it cost's them more for a delivery ....
A lot of supermarkets use their own vehicles to deliver fuel thus absorbing the cost better than using an outside source .....
Yet I can buy a product in a Tesco's near to there main warehouse in Surry for the same price as I can at a Tesco's in Devon or Dorset.
New research shows that cost of diesel at rural filling stations is over 4p more per litre than diesel at stations in urban areas. Higher prices at rural filling stations, coupled with longer distances between home, work and essential services, means cars are becoming an ‘unaffordable necessity’ for many living in rural communities. As the debate over fuel duty gets heated in the run-up to this year’s budget, the Countryside Alliance has today released research that shows how the price of a litre of diesel is much higher at filling stations in the countryside, and have urged the Chancellor to tackle the rising cost of fuel in the budget for the good of the rural economy.
Key Findings
Drivers filling up at stations in rural areas will, on average, pay over 4 pence more for the cheapest litre of diesel compared with the cheapest in urban areas.
Those living in Purbeck and Ryedale fare worst, with for a litre of diesel being the lowest price in their area. City dwellers are far more fortunate, with drivers from North Tyneside, to Birmingham, to Dartford benefiting from a pump price of That’s a difference of per litre. (All prices are from )
Despite people who live and work in rural areas having to cover much greater distances in their cars, smaller demand and less competition have led to a higher price of diesel, with serious and detrimental effects on the rural economy.
Barney White-Spunner, Executive Chairman of the Countryside Alliance, said:
“Not only do people living in rural areas have to drive further to go to work, further to access essential services like schools, doctors and the supermarket; but they have to pay a lot more for their diesel to do so. The cost of fuel is a major concern for everyone who lives in the countryside, and cars are fast becoming an unaffordable necessity for many rural families. We urge the Chancellor to help the rural economy get back on its feet and to cut fuel duty in his forthcoming budget.”
Research (all figures from ):
See findings here;
Quote by Bluefish2009
smaller demand and less competition have led to a higher price of diesel

Welcome to the market economy.
ok so some support or maybe just understand why getting petrol to rural areas costs more and therefore an increase in pump prices is justified but none of you have given a reason why pump prices at stations close to refineries are not cheaper than all other stations, if one is right the other must be right too, if you charge more to get it to a rural area you must charge less to deliver it locally, either that or use the "swings and roundabout" system that shops like Morrisons and Asda do with ALL thier products not just fuel, you can't have it both ways and say it is fair.
It really has nothing to do with distance from the refinery. Rural petrol stations have a smaller customer base than those in the city and also have less competition. They are therefore able to charge a higher margin on their fuel sales, which helps offset their lower sales volumes.
Both Bluefish and northwest-cpl have already stated this.
It really has nothing to do with distance from the refinery. Rural petrol stations have a smaller customer base than those in the city and also have less competition. They are therefore able to charge a higher margin on their fuel sales, which helps offset their lower sales volumes.
Both Bluefish and northwest-cpl have already stated this.
It really has nothing to do with distance from the refinery. Rural petrol stations have a smaller customer base than those in the city and also have less competition. They are therefore able to charge a higher margin on their fuel sales, which helps offset their lower sales volumes.
Both Bluefish and northwest-cpl have already stated this.
Quote by northwest-cpl
smaller demand and less competition have led to a higher price of diesel

Welcome to the market economy.
Indeed, but I fully support those in rural areas with there campaign to influence those in power
In advance of the Budget and the revised National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF), the Countryside Alliance has today called on the Chancellor to deliver a budget that tackles the spiralling cost of fuel, brings forward the 4G mobile phone spectrum auction, and provides Britain with a planning framework that allows rural businesses to grow and homes to be built, without concentrating power in the hands of developers.
Barney White-Spunner, Executive Chairman of the Countryside Alliance, said:
“The Countryside Alliance has identified three areas in which it hopes the Chancellor will act to give the rural economy a timely and much-needed boost. The first, removing the planned rise in fuel duty, will be of enormous benefit to hard-pressed families across Britain, but particularly to those living in the countryside. Alliance research found on average rural drivers are paying over 4p per litre more for their fuel and travelling several hundred miles more each month to get to work, to schools and the supermarket. Reversing the planned rise in duty in August would be a small token that would go a long way in the countryside.
“Secondly we call on the Government to make the auction of the 4G mobile spectrum a high priority. It is a disgrace that Britain is lagging so far behind our European and US competitors on this, and the poor coverage in rural areas is acting as a road block to the growth of rural businesses. To ensure that not-spots are a thing of the past we ask that the auction is competitive and structured to support universal coverage at 2mbps across the UK.
“Finally, the Countryside Alliance reiterates its hope that the re-drafted planning framework puts the power to decide what developments and where they are located in the hands of local communities. The rural economy depends on more affordable housing been built in the countryside and rural businesses being allowed to expand, but it must be appropriate development and supported by local people. To that end the Alliance again calls on the Government to ensure that the ‘Brownfield first’ clause is reinstated into the planning framework along with a clear definition of “sustainable development”, which is in line with the current UK Sustainable Development Strategy.”

Quote by Bluefish2009

The price of diesel in rural filling stations is, on average, 4p more than in urban areas, a new survey has shown.

Funny I just looked for an old post on the subject of discounts for fuel in Rural areas but didnt find it. Anyway lol the point I wanted to make was the last few times I have stayed with the in laws which is in a very rural area we have done many more miles but used far less fuel. At home I do home to work twice daily which is about 8 miles and local shopping school run etc. Whilst I was at the inlaws I was doing either a 60 mile round trips to the coast or a 30 mile round trips to relatives daily plus the shopping etc. Ive done my tax for the months and I used less fuel whilst away :0 Its all that 5th gear driving. Pff to rural discounts.
I am not sure how you could get into 5 gear in rural areas?
Of course most vehicles are more fuel efficient on longer trips once in a high gear. Try some shorter trips down some real rural roads where 2nd and 3rd are required perhaps this may give a better picture
Ive worked in and travelled to much of the country from northern Scotland to the south of England and west Wales. In my experiences there are not many areas where you are driving anything more than 20% of the time in windy little roads. You cant get any more rural than where my Mother in law lives the roadd is not even named yet it joins with lots of small but long roads where the traffic does 50-60 all the way to the next town.
Rural fuel reduction big mistake. Perhaps it should be based on people who only live near bendy roads with no A roads in sight :lol: . In my experiences those places are few and far between. This is the UK after all where if two things exists someone builds a relatively straight road between them.
My work involves travel also, in fact my bill for business fuel last financial year was just over £6'
I don't think I did say rural fuel reduction, if I did that was not my intention. What I would like to see at the very least is equality. I have seen many reports some as much as 5 or 6 pence a litre more in some rural areas. Below is one such article
THE Countryside Alliance selected 30 councils from those under the Government classification of 'very rural' and 30 from the classification 'major urban'.
They used a price comparison website and found the cheapest price for a litre of diesel in rural areas costs 4p more than the cheapest in urban areas.
Dylan Sharpe, media officer for the Alliance said: "In urban areas, the cheapest prices are around 130p, whereas in rural areas it's 144p.
"It may not sound like much, but a full tank can be £6 more."


There is not really any difference though in this and cash machines charging for withdrawals at a greater % in inner city/poor areas. Its simply companies of any type charging more to those that they think will pay it for a variety of reasons. I am guilty of that in some of my business dealings.
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...
Quote by Steve
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...

even if there is a reduction in fuel steve of say 5p a litre, that is only about a saving of on a tankful of fuel costing nearly £70. it is hardly going to make a great difference. also it seems that over the last year as soon as the price of fuel has dropped with say asda running a scheme, the fuel then rises again the following week.
the government reely need to reduce the 60p in the pound in taxes it steals. that is a scandelous amount of money that goes to the treasury.
the trouble is the motorist has been used as a cash cow for yeers and yeers, and it is only now when money is so tight, and the ability to be able to afford to run a car are now being questioned, are peeple at long last realsing that we are all being taken for mugs. the car is such an easy source of revenue for the government, as is cigarettes and booze. the time has now come with fuel where unless it is a significant reduction of 15p a litre cheeper, whatever reduction that may happen will be swallowed up within weeks.
and your last point steve is yes, why should peeple who live in a lovely rural setting get paid extra in one way or another to live there? why should peeple living in inner cities subsidise them at all?
Quote by Steve
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...

You keep making things up, again no where have I said or suggested cheaper fuel
Quote by starlightcouple
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...

even if there is a reduction in fuel steve of say 5p a litre, that is only about a saving of on a tankful of fuel costing nearly £70. it is hardly going to make a great difference. also it seems that over the last year as soon as the price of fuel has dropped with say asda running a scheme, the fuel then rises again the following week.
the government reely need to reduce the 60p in the pound in taxes it steals. that is a scandelous amount of money that goes to the treasury.
the trouble is the motorist has been used as a cash cow for yeers and yeers, and it is only now when money is so tight, and the ability to be able to afford to run a car are now being questioned, are peeple at long last realsing that we are all being taken for mugs. the car is such an easy source of revenue for the government, as is cigarettes and booze. the time has now come with fuel where unless it is a significant reduction of 15p a litre cheeper, whatever reduction that may happen will be swallowed up within weeks.
and your last point steve is yes, why should peeple who live in a lovely rural setting get paid extra in one way or another to live there? why should peeple living in inner cities subsidise them at all?
Show me where this happens, or where I have asked for this to happen
No further changes to the plans for fuel duty were announced and vehicle excise duty (the cost of the tax disc) goes up by inflation only.
However road hauliers will be exempt from the increase.
This whole argument is of course a red herring .... the question should be ,why do we not have a national, integrated, subsidised public transport system that renders private vehicle ownership unnecessary
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
This whole argument is of course a red herring .... the question should be ,why do we not have a national, integrated, subsidised public transport system that renders private vehicle ownership unnecessary

agreed but only if there is no Union's to hold it all to ransom
Quote by Lizaleanrob
This whole argument is of course a red herring .... the question should be ,why do we not have a national, integrated, subsidised public transport system that renders private vehicle ownership unnecessary

agreed but only if there is no Union's to hold it all to ransom
I don't think the unions are or have ever been in the kidnapping business Rob
:huh:
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
This whole argument is of course a red herring .... the question should be ,why do we not have a national, integrated, subsidised public transport system that renders private vehicle ownership unnecessary

agreed but only if there is no Union's to hold it all to ransom
I don't think the unions are or have ever been in the kidnapping business Rob
:huh: :huh:
Quote by Bluefish2009
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...

You keep making things up, again no where have I said or suggested cheaper fuel
So are the fuel companies going to allow a discount out of the goodness of their hearts ?
I doubt it...
As I said previously.....
An news article I saw stated fuel was 4p a litre more and the campaign was to get a 5p a litre subsidy....
I'm sure you'll agree that makes it 1p a lire cheaper doesn't it.....
Just so you don't have to bother searching I've quoted myself from earlier in the thread....
Quote by Steve
Sorry but if it cost's more to get the product there then it's naturally going to have to be priced higher....
A news article I saw said they pay 4p a litre more and there was a move to get them a reduction of 5p per litre...
So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?