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Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
In other words no evidence to offer on that point.
That is fair enough as it is barbaric and medieval.
Imagine for a second what that woman goes through, forced upon her by a man.
I think you'll find it's usually mothers who take their young daughters along to be mutilated, and it's usually a woman that does it to them. Whether that's because of social pressure from men is debatable. Still, why let facts get in the way of a good argument, eh?
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Quote by neilinleeds
In other words no evidence to offer on that point.
That is fair enough as it is barbaric and medieval.
Imagine for a second what that woman goes through, forced upon her by a man.
I think you'll find it's usually mothers who take their young daughters along to be mutilated, and it's usually a woman that does it to them. Whether that's because of social pressure from men is debatable. Still, why let facts get in the way of a good argument, eh?
N x x x ;)
Can you show me the facts then Neil?
It is a FACT that Muslim men suppress their women. Maybe not so much in the Western world but certainly in hard line Muslim countries.
Female Genital Mutilation....
Female Genital Mutilation is the term used for removal of all or just part of the external parts of the female genitalia. There are three varieties to this procedure.
1. Sunna Circumcision - consists of the removal of the prepuce(retractable fold of skin, or hood) and /or the tip of the clitoris. Sunna in Arabic means "tradition".
2. Clitoridectomy - consists of the removal of the entire clitoris (prepuce and glands) and the removal of the adjacent labia.
3. Infibulation(pharonic circumcision)-- consists of performing a clitoridectomy (removal of all or part of the labia minora, the labia majora). This is then stitched up allowing a small hole to remain open to allow for urine and menstrual blood to flow through.
As well as in most cultures a women can not marry with out FGM.
In most FGM societies one important belief is that this procedure will reduce a women's desire for sex and in doing so will reduce the chance of sex outside the marriage. This is vital to this society as her honor for the family is depended on her not to be opened up prior to marriage.
The bit I highlighted sums it up. Show me anywhere where a man has to undergo such mutilation to stop him from straying in a marriage. Anyone who believes this is done to women by men for any other reason than to own them, is crackers. Men may well not do the operation oh no, they leave that to the other women to do it.
What a bunch of sick twisted warped minds these men follow. IF it is cultural then it just goes to show how far they are behind the rest of the civilised world world.
There is more but am sure I do not want to bore you any more with good hard facts eh Neil?
Sex God
Kent, quick question for you seeing as you're googling . . . is female genital mutilation exclusively practiced by Muslims then, or is it actually a widespread cultural practice that predates the founding of Islam by some centuries, that is common among followers of any number of religions in sub-saharan africa?
N x x x ;)
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
Kent, quick question for you seeing as you're googling . . . is female genital mutilation exclusively practiced by Muslims then, or is it actually a widespread cultural practice that predates the founding of Islam by some centuries, that is common among followers of any number of religions in sub-saharan africa?
N x x x ;)
even so does it make it acceptable
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
i have the sudden urge for peach pie,does anyone have the recipe?
Sorry,private joke!:giggle:
i dunno but i hear your humble pie recipe is a little bitter
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao: Quote by neilinleeds
Kent, quick question for you seeing as you're googling . . . is female genital mutilation exclusively practiced by Muslims then, or is it actually a widespread cultural practice that predates the founding of Islam by some centuries, that is common among followers of any number of religions in sub-saharan africa?
N x x x ;)
Like all on here Neil, we all have an idea on things but we do not know everything on every subject, though some may well profess too. I understand the practice of this barbaric act, but not enough to know where it originated from, or whether it is predominantly a Muslim practice.
So forgive the Google skills but we all do them, but here is a little snippet....
FGM is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, FGM is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favor sunna circumcision involving minor cutting of the clitoris. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.
FGM has probably been performed for at least 1,400 years (some references estimate 2,000 years), and started during what Muslims call "al-gahiliyyah" (the era of ignorance). The Qu'r'an, Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and Christian Scriptures (New Testament) is silent on the subject. The Sunnah (the words and actions of the Prophet Mohammed) contains a reference to female circumcision.
According to the Muslim Women's League: "Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:
'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'." 1,8
It seems to be done predominantly by Muslims, and it seems to have been started by Muslims.
As Rob has pointed out already....does it make it acceptable if it were not only Muslims?
Your question Neil really has no relevance to me, I care not what religion you are that practice this. It is barbaric and medieval,and is another example of men wanting to control women through fear and certainly ignorance.
Sex God
on sky news last night it was stated that two thirds of americans thought placing the mosque on the site was distasteful
seems obama is not in touch with the american people
seems obama is not in touch with the american people
No hatred that I can see, your obviously reading two threads at once.:giggle:
Nothing in this thread that I can see constitutes anything other than what Americans are feeling and saying.
Take it up with their Embassy if you feel that strongly about it, as for me I shall continue to post things on this subject, without any need for the hatred you seem to think there is.
Nothing in this thread that I can see constitutes anything other than what Americans are feeling and saying.
Take it up with their Embassy if you feel that strongly about it, as for me I shall continue to post things on this subject, without any need for the hatred you seem to think there is.
Sex God
I am really struggling with this one. Logic says that the people killed were not killed by a religion but by some nutters who happened to be of a particular religion. So what would be the problem with a mosque.
However it does feel a little like some may be just wishing to pin a flag on a perceived victory. Of all the places there might be to build one does it really have to be there?
For me the jury is still out, I am not sure where my thoughts on this one fall, I am
However it does feel a little like some may be just wishing to pin a flag on a perceived victory. Of all the places there might be to build one does it really have to be there?
For me the jury is still out, I am not sure where my thoughts on this one fall, I am
Orgasminator
Quote by Bluefish2009
I am really struggling with this one. Logic says that the people killed were not killed by a religion but by some nutters who happened to be of a particular religion. So what would be the problem with a mosque.
However it does feel a little like some may be just wishing to pin a flag on a perceived victory. Of all the places there might be to build one does it really have to be there?
For me the jury is still out, I am not sure where my thoughts on this one fall, I am
Couldn't agree more! It shouldn't be a problem but it's easy to see why it is a huge problem.
Sex God
Quote by vampanya
I am really struggling with this one. Logic says that the people killed were not killed by a religion but by some nutters who happened to be of a particular religion. So what would be the problem with a mosque.
However it does feel a little like some may be just wishing to pin a flag on a perceived victory. Of all the places there might be to build one does it really have to be there?
For me the jury is still out, I am not sure where my thoughts on this one fall, I am
Couldn't agree more! It shouldn't be a problem but it's easy to see why it is a huge problem.
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Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
I cant see why it is a huge problem can somebody perhaps explain why it is.
rightly or wrongly this lady does feel it a huge problem
Orgasminator
Because people associate the atrocities of 9/11 with the religion in whose name it was committed. And if they want someone to blame they will blame all muslims regardless of whether thats right or wrong. And if they blame all muslims they see putting a mosque on or near ground zero as adding insult of the worst kind to injury of the worst kind. And thats why its a huge problem. Because its hard as hell to change prejudice of that kind.
Quote by vampanya
Because people associate the atrocities of 9/11 with the religion in whose name it was committed. And if they want someone to blame they will blame all muslims regardless of whether thats right or wrong. And if they blame all muslims they see putting a mosque on or near ground zero as adding insult of the worst kind to injury of the worst kind. And thats why its a huge problem. Because its hard as hell to change prejudice of that kind.
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Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
So to paraphrase because some people associate 9/11 with all moslems we must treat moslems differently.
I can see that some people would think and act that way. I choose not to.
Surely divisive actions are more likely to spread division.
not really bengy the idea and the area of the mosque is poorly though out and in bad taste
it really is that simple
its like putting a childrens play area where james bulger was found dead it just shows a lack of respect
