I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
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A difficult one this. Most of the time in most places the spaces are wasted. However:-
Firstly, there may still be more disabled people than spaces in some locations on a 6% rule.
Secondly, if a few of these spaces were made available to others including those with young children they would soon fill up and you might still be driving round looking yourself.
As I say, a difficult one.
Plim
PS. Lot of help, am I not
Firstly, there may still be more disabled people than spaces in some locations on a 6% rule.
Secondly, if a few of these spaces were made available to others including those with young children they would soon fill up and you might still be driving round looking yourself.
As I say, a difficult one.
Plim
PS. Lot of help, am I not
Quote by kentswingers777
I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
There is an answer. Make able bodied people get the bus.
By the way, if there are scores of disabled bays empty at your local shopping centre, that means it has 1000 parking spaces overall. That's quite large.
It's a typical Daily Mail diatribe playing on the sense of grievance; mums who drive to the shops feel they should have more priority so they've got more room for their Chelsea tractors and their pushchairs. I think it's safe to say there are bigger issues in the world.
Quote by awayman
I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
There is an answer. Make able bodied people get the bus.
By the way, if there are scores of disabled bays empty at your local shopping centre, that means it has 1000 parking spaces overall. That's quite large.
It's a typical Daily Mail diatribe playing on the sense of grievance; mums who drive to the shops feel they should have more priority so they've got more room for their Chelsea tractors and their pushchairs. I think it's safe to say there are bigger issues in the world.
Of course there are but it was something I felt was worth talking about.
How do YOU come to the conclusion that there are 1000 parking spaces? Based purely on my comment of " scores "?
Why should able bodied people be forced to catch a bus, when they pay large sums of money to be able to drive?
I feel that parents with young children should possibly be given more spaces too, just like at supermarkets where they realise how difficult it is for families with young children....or would you let them get the bus as well?
" Daily Mail diatribe " eh? That is just so funny!
If you have nothing constructive to say on the subject, why say anything at all?
Quote by Kaznkev
I cannot for the life of me understand why people will object to bays being made easily available to those with disabilities.
What type of selfish c**t must you be to complain that you need to walk a few hundred yards to get to the shops
Yes the bay might be empty , but that presumably means that should someone who turns up need it they can use it,my mind boggles at how this can be anything but a good thing.
Quite frankly i think some people would prefer it if all people with disabilities were kept in large institutions with keep out signs on the gates so they didnt have to acknowledge there existance
What a silly childish comment to make. Sorry but do you have any clue as to how much money has been spent ( by law btw ) to accommodate disabled people?
They....quite rightly, should be given preferential treatment over able bodied people at shopping centres, and I think you will find they are.
My Father is disabled and people and shops, go out of their way to help him.
All the article was saying is about the pro rata ammount of spaces available. It has nothing to do with anyone wanting disabled people " kept in large institutions ", that is not true and you know it.
I know that is not true possibly more than you do, with a disabled Father!
People go out of their way to help disabled people, and not the other way around as you would have us believe.
Sex God
Can't say I ever thought of it as a problem myself so was a bit surprised to see the article in todays paper though I have on occassion thought there were rather a lot of disabled bays at the local Sainsbury's. To be honest, I dismissed it as a non-story thinking it a slow news day.
Quote by kentswingers777
If you have nothing constructive to say on the subject, why say anything at all?
because it makes me a bit of a cunt, and I like that.
What was the article? I daren't read it.
Parking spaces for the disabled?
Of course. What kind of selfish and heartless person would think otherwise?
Please don't take the above as a constructive comment. Just a statement.
lp
Quote by Kaznkev
I cannot for the life of me understand why people will object to bays being made easily available to those with disabilities.
What type of selfish c**t must you be to complain that you need to walk a few hundred yards to get to the shops
Yes the bay might be empty , but that presumably means that should someone who turns up need it they can use it,my mind boggles at how this can be anything but a good thing.
Quite frankly i think some people would prefer it if all people with disabilities were kept in large institutions with keep out signs on the gates so they didnt have to acknowledge there existance
What a silly childish comment to make. Sorry but do you have any clue as to how much money has been spent ( by law btw ) to accommodate disabled people?
They....quite rightly, should be given preferential treatment over able bodied people at shopping centres, and I think you will find they are.
My Father is disabled and people and shops, go out of their way to help him.
All the article was saying is about the pro rata ammount of spaces available. It has nothing to do with anyone wanting disabled people " kept in large institutions ", that is not true and you know it.
I know that is not true possibly more than you do, with a disabled Father!
People go out of their way to help disabled people, and not the other way around as you would have us believe.
one disabled mother and raise you a disabled son,sorry, you thought you were the only one with a family to drag in?
im not being childish just wondering why it matter that some people have an advantage you dont,what offends you so much about it?
i would assume that since the disability act that supermarkets are meant to have the same proption of bays set aide for the disabled as exist in the general population
ie if a car park has 100 spaces and 5 % of the general population is disabled then 5 bays will be set i ask why would anyone object?
Where did I say I was offended by it?
I merely pointed out the artical and ASKED ya know that word ASKED If we needed as many as we do?
When I take my Father out I obviously would like to park as close to the entrance as possible BUT, if that is not possible then I place him in his wheelchair and push him an extra few yards...simples.
The word " dragged in " is also a tad childish as that was NOT my intention. Jeeze how touchy are you fgs?
Get the flame thrower ready....
Disabled parking spaces by and large are for the ably disabled and the wannabe disabled.
Truly disabled people don't want to be labelled such. They don't want a fuss. They enjoy their moments of freedom in plain air and an excursion from the farthest side of the supermarket car park to the door of the store is an adventure.
If slightly disabled - needing perhaps some walking support - why not position the disabled spaces near to the trolley park where they can select a multi-functional zimmer frame?
In the legislation, I doubt there is any prescription as to the placing of the disabled parking bays - just that there is a requirement - and quite rightly so. For the store's benefit, why not have quick turn round spaces close to the store door.
Disabled parking spaces by and large are for the ably disabled and the wannabe disabled.
Truly disabled people don't want to be labelled such. They don't want a fuss. They enjoy their moments of freedom in plain air and an excursion from the farthest side of the supermarket car park to the door of the store is an adventure.
If slightly disabled - needing perhaps some walking support - why not position the disabled spaces near to the trolley park where they can select a multi-functional zimmer frame?
In the legislation, I doubt there is any prescription as to the placing of the disabled parking bays - just that there is a requirement - and quite rightly so. For the store's benefit, why not have quick turn round spaces close to the store door.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Get the flame thrower ready....
Disabled parking spaces by and large are for the ably disabled and the wannabe disabled.
Truly disabled people don't want to be labelled such. They don't want a fuss. They enjoy their moments of freedom in plain air and an excursion from the farthest side of the supermarket car park to the door of the store is an adventure.
If slightly disabled - needing perhaps some walking support - why not position the disabled spaces near to the trolley park where they can select a multi-functional zimmer frame?
In the legislation, I doubt there is any prescription as to the placing of the disabled parking bays - just that there is a requirement - and quite rightly so. For the store's benefit, why not have quick turn round spaces close to the store door.
No flame thrower here, GNV.
The number of times you see people get out of cars in disabled bays (legitimately, when they have the blue badge), then run/trot to the shop, is appalling. One time that happened and there was a policeman nearby; he waited for the man to come out of the shop he'd gone into. I think now, the person who the badge is for, has to be in the vehicle.
My dad is registered disabled but very occasionally, he has a relatively good day, when he feels like a fraud for using a disabled space. So he doesn't. Someone once pulled him up about it though, saying he was using an able-bodied space when there were disabled ones available!
My dad has a Fiesta which he struggles to get into/out of sometimes - you see some 'disabled' drivers in bloody sporty little cars; I think there should be a limited range of cars that motability money can be used for. Maybe that's now the case though?
GNV, I like your idea of siting disabled bays near to where modified trolleys are parked. That would perhaps stop people abusing the spaces. After all, if they're in a wheelchair or have walking aids, isn't that to make them (almost) as mobile as able-bodied people?
Quote by kentswingers777
I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
There is an answer. Make able bodied people get the bus.
By the way, if there are scores of disabled bays empty at your local shopping centre, that means it has 1000 parking spaces overall. That's quite large.
It's a typical Daily Mail diatribe playing on the sense of grievance; mums who drive to the shops feel they should have more priority so they've got more room for their Chelsea tractors and their pushchairs. I think it's safe to say there are bigger issues in the world.
Of course there are but it was something I felt was worth talking about.
How do YOU come to the conclusion that there are 1000 parking spaces? Based purely on my comment of " scores "?
Why should able bodied people be forced to catch a bus, when they pay large sums of money to be able to drive?
I feel that parents with young children should possibly be given more spaces too, just like at supermarkets where they realise how difficult it is for families with young children....or would you let them get the bus as well?
" Daily Mail diatribe " eh? That is just so funny!
If you have nothing constructive to say on the subject, why say anything at all?
Why say anything? You started it. You thought a cretinous article trying to create a grievance out of nothing in the Daily Mail was worth reposting here.
As to the calculation of 1000 spaces, yes, I took your claim that there were scores of empty spaces, and did some number crunching. A score is twenty. You do know that don't you? So scores (plural) would imply at least two scores, or 40. Since the article you quoted referred to planning guidance requiring 4% disabled spaces in larger car parks, that gives you a figure of approximately 1000 spaces for it to be possible that there were scores of empty parking spaces.
Of course, it's possible that you were exaggerating, or making it up for effect. I couldn't possibly comment.
Why make people catch the bus? Well, because it's a complex argument, transport policy, and owning and using a car is not an entitlement or a right. The debate over transport policy and land use policy is more complicated than the Daily Mail would ever understand. I think the debate around family spaces in supermarket car parks is more complex than 'some people think they should have priority in supermarket carparks because of their lifestyle choices.'
How odd is it to start a thread and complain when people join in?
Sex God
Park in the disabled bay and limp until out of sight.......I think my work here is completed
I can't see what the problem is here at all.
Tottenham Tesco has disabled bays full everyday. Very large cars, with well dressed; disabled young black men, limping between the vehicles. They seem to be a friendly lot and they hand out medicine to any one who needs it.
I have to say the police can work miracle cures. As soon as they appear the young black fellows cease limping and indeed appear to be able to run into their cars and drive off very effectively.
So I think they are being used very well don't you?
Tottenham Tesco has disabled bays full everyday. Very large cars, with well dressed; disabled young black men, limping between the vehicles. They seem to be a friendly lot and they hand out medicine to any one who needs it.
I have to say the police can work miracle cures. As soon as they appear the young black fellows cease limping and indeed appear to be able to run into their cars and drive off very effectively.
So I think they are being used very well don't you?
Quote by awayman
I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
There is an answer. Make able bodied people get the bus.
By the way, if there are scores of disabled bays empty at your local shopping centre, that means it has 1000 parking spaces overall. That's quite large.
It's a typical Daily Mail diatribe playing on the sense of grievance; mums who drive to the shops feel they should have more priority so they've got more room for their Chelsea tractors and their pushchairs. I think it's safe to say there are bigger issues in the world.
Of course there are but it was something I felt was worth talking about.
How do YOU come to the conclusion that there are 1000 parking spaces? Based purely on my comment of " scores "?
Why should able bodied people be forced to catch a bus, when they pay large sums of money to be able to drive?
I feel that parents with young children should possibly be given more spaces too, just like at supermarkets where they realise how difficult it is for families with young children....or would you let them get the bus as well?
" Daily Mail diatribe " eh? That is just so funny!
If you have nothing constructive to say on the subject, why say anything at all?
Why say anything? You started it. You thought a cretinous article trying to create a grievance out of nothing in the Daily Mail was worth reposting here.
As to the calculation of 1000 spaces, yes, I took your claim that there were scores of empty spaces, and did some number crunching. A score is twenty. You do know that don't you? So scores (plural) would imply at least two scores, or 40. Since the article you quoted referred to planning guidance requiring 4% disabled spaces in larger car parks, that gives you a figure of approximately 1000 spaces for it to be possible that there were scores of empty parking spaces.
Of course, it's possible that you were exaggerating, or making it up for effect. I couldn't possibly comment.
Why make people catch the bus? Well, because it's a complex argument, transport policy, and owning and using a car is not an entitlement or a right. The debate over transport policy and land use policy is more complicated than the Daily Mail would ever understand. I think the debate around family spaces in supermarket car parks is more complex than 'some people think they should have priority in supermarket carparks because of their lifestyle choices.'
How odd is it to start a thread and complain when people join in?
Sounds like something children would say...." you started it "..." Oh no I did not, you did "....ner
Not trying to create a grievance out of anything, and yes I feel it is ok to report that in here. Because you do not think it is, who the heck are you? Site owner? Run the AUP?
Instead of baying everyone at every opportunity, what about starting a thread...all of your own?
Is there now only certain things me or anyone else for that matter, can put on this forum? Do I have to answer to you at all?
Your a member just like me, and IF you do not like a subject, or feel it is not worthy of posting on here, then a suggestion is needed...............move on to something that interests you.
There are plenty of subjects that do not, interest me, and they I do not post in....may I suggest you do the same.
I will await a thread from you, with total excitement. Am sure the whole of SH will be only too eager to post in it.
Sex God
My work has a decent sized car-park. They also provide disabled bays in the section at the front of the building. Only 8. The carpark itself takes at least 300 (can't be bothered to do the maths for the percentage). We are a staff training site with a conference facility so we can get a lot of people from elsewhere on any one day. This will generally include more than one disabled person - and there's no sensible way to predict how many on any one day. As well as the 2-3 disabled badge holders who work there daily.
We also have a loading area, just at the side of the building with a flat route to the door making it easy for people pushing trolleys to get to the building.
It is rare for all the disabled bays to be used, but as has been mentioned earlier - a full disabled bay is no use to anyone. So you do need to allow for there to be always some available.
And yet almost every day I arrive at work and find a van or car parked in there often unloading something. And I've tackled security about it loads of times but they just act like they can't do anythign about it.
It's lazy (of the drivers), selfish and rude. And I know that if I parked there I would be hauled over the coals for it. I wouldn't do it, except to annoy the bosses anyway.
We also have a disabled toilet on each floor, and spacious male and female toilets on separate floors. Ladies on my floor and gents upstairs. And yet perfectly fit people think they can just 'nip in' cos they are too busy to walk one flight of stairs (which are right next to the toilets).
The point of having disabled toilets on each floor is because (even using the lift) it is slow for a disabled person to get to a different floor. Disabled folk often have to juggle urgency with slow travel. So why do these lazy, healthy people think the same disabled person will be fine hanging around outside the one and only designated toilet on that floor waiting for them to finish?
OK I get that someone may have the trots, but if it's that many there must be a constant flaming epidemic in my building.
We also have a loading area, just at the side of the building with a flat route to the door making it easy for people pushing trolleys to get to the building.
It is rare for all the disabled bays to be used, but as has been mentioned earlier - a full disabled bay is no use to anyone. So you do need to allow for there to be always some available.
And yet almost every day I arrive at work and find a van or car parked in there often unloading something. And I've tackled security about it loads of times but they just act like they can't do anythign about it.
It's lazy (of the drivers), selfish and rude. And I know that if I parked there I would be hauled over the coals for it. I wouldn't do it, except to annoy the bosses anyway.
We also have a disabled toilet on each floor, and spacious male and female toilets on separate floors. Ladies on my floor and gents upstairs. And yet perfectly fit people think they can just 'nip in' cos they are too busy to walk one flight of stairs (which are right next to the toilets).
The point of having disabled toilets on each floor is because (even using the lift) it is slow for a disabled person to get to a different floor. Disabled folk often have to juggle urgency with slow travel. So why do these lazy, healthy people think the same disabled person will be fine hanging around outside the one and only designated toilet on that floor waiting for them to finish?
OK I get that someone may have the trots, but if it's that many there must be a constant flaming epidemic in my building.
despite the respect for the disabled the nearness of the bays to the shops provides a useful function. If they weren't there most shoppers would park as near as they could and inevitably there would be a consistent traffic jam around the main entrance.
Having an area that avoids congestion creates a safer area around the main entrance and distributes the traffic in an orderly way into the parking lot.
people seem to go to great efforts to get as near as possible to the entrance. what is the panic? is there some fear that they will get dive bombed by shitehawks and lose all their shopping?
Having an area that avoids congestion creates a safer area around the main entrance and distributes the traffic in an orderly way into the parking lot.
people seem to go to great efforts to get as near as possible to the entrance. what is the panic? is there some fear that they will get dive bombed by shitehawks and lose all their shopping?
Quote by duncanlondon
despite the respect for the disabled the nearness of the bays to the shops provides a useful function. If they weren't there most shoppers would park as near as they could and inevitably there would be a consistent traffic jam around the main entrance.
Having an area that avoids congestion creates a safer area around the main entrance and distributes the traffic in an orderly way into the parking lot.
people seem to go to great efforts to get as near as possible to the entrance. what is the panic? is there some fear that they will get dive bombed by shitehawks and lose all their shopping?
No Duncan it is called...being a bunch of lazy fuckers!
As you rightly say, at my local shopping centre people drive up and down looking for a space as close to the entrance as possible. All because they do not want to walk the 200 yards to the entrance yet, when they get in there they walk for miles browsing at the shops. Madness.....funy how the silly human mind works.
Sex God
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My dad has a Fiesta which he struggles to get into/out of sometimes - you see some 'disabled' drivers in bloody sporty little cars; I think there should be a limited range of cars that motability money can be used for. Maybe that's now the case though?
GNV, I like your idea of siting disabled bays near to where modified trolleys are parked. That would perhaps stop people abusing the spaces. After all, if they're in a wheelchair or have walking aids, isn't that to make them (almost) as mobile as able-bodied people?
FB you make some very pertinent points.
But I would just comment that while using a wheelchair (unpowered) or walking aids does improve mobility enormously, pushing along in a wheelchair is pretty exhausting for a fit person. A disabled people may not be only leg-limited so to speak. My best mate has a serious spinal condition that means he can get about slowly on sticks but must use a wheelchair for anything outside the house. His condition limits his upper body strength as well as making walking extremely hard. He is fiercely independent, but that is only possible with a huge effort from him and help where he needs it.
And why limit the types of car disabled people can have? Can't they have a bit of joy in their lives? Of course they have to get a vehicle suitable - to take a wheelchair if necessaary - but within that, why not something a bit sprtier than a Reliant Robin?
An old friend of mine has heart disease, he is flexible enough to get in and out of his fairly sporty car. His joints aren't affected, but he can't walk far without getting breathless. Breathless isn't just like me running a bit and breathing hard, it's an 'about to black out or have a heart attacl' kind of breathless. He uses the disabled bays, or able bays so long as they are fairly close to the doors. That isn't always possible, so the disabled bays are a godsend. He still has to shop in short bursts and plan his shopping trips carefully around his medication and 'better times'.
All I would ask is that people don't judge disability purely on the visual level. We have to rely on the blue-badge scheme - for all it's failings. It's all we have.
well said FoxyLady
I may return to this thread also.
I am niether disabled, nor a driver.
But I support people who require the use of a car to enable them to be involved in thier daily lives as independantly and as safely as posible.
Supporting a person to get a tube of toothpaste can be an immensely time consuming, but immeasurably empowering experience.
There is more to disability than meets the eye. (or whichever method of perception/understanding/communication is available to you)
lp
I may return to this thread also.
I am niether disabled, nor a driver.
But I support people who require the use of a car to enable them to be involved in thier daily lives as independantly and as safely as posible.
Supporting a person to get a tube of toothpaste can be an immensely time consuming, but immeasurably empowering experience.
There is more to disability than meets the eye. (or whichever method of perception/understanding/communication is available to you)
lp
Quote by kentswingers777
I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
There is an answer. Make able bodied people get the bus.
By the way, if there are scores of disabled bays empty at your local shopping centre, that means it has 1000 parking spaces overall. That's quite large.
It's a typical Daily Mail diatribe playing on the sense of grievance; mums who drive to the shops feel they should have more priority so they've got more room for their Chelsea tractors and their pushchairs. I think it's safe to say there are bigger issues in the world.
Of course there are but it was something I felt was worth talking about.
How do YOU come to the conclusion that there are 1000 parking spaces? Based purely on my comment of " scores "?
Why should able bodied people be forced to catch a bus, when they pay large sums of money to be able to drive?
I feel that parents with young children should possibly be given more spaces too, just like at supermarkets where they realise how difficult it is for families with young children....or would you let them get the bus as well?
" Daily Mail diatribe " eh? That is just so funny!
If you have nothing constructive to say on the subject, why say anything at all?
Why say anything? You started it. You thought a cretinous article trying to create a grievance out of nothing in the Daily Mail was worth reposting here.
As to the calculation of 1000 spaces, yes, I took your claim that there were scores of empty spaces, and did some number crunching. A score is twenty. You do know that don't you? So scores (plural) would imply at least two scores, or 40. Since the article you quoted referred to planning guidance requiring 4% disabled spaces in larger car parks, that gives you a figure of approximately 1000 spaces for it to be possible that there were scores of empty parking spaces.
Of course, it's possible that you were exaggerating, or making it up for effect. I couldn't possibly comment.
Why make people catch the bus? Well, because it's a complex argument, transport policy, and owning and using a car is not an entitlement or a right. The debate over transport policy and land use policy is more complicated than the Daily Mail would ever understand. I think the debate around family spaces in supermarket car parks is more complex than 'some people think they should have priority in supermarket carparks because of their lifestyle choices.'
How odd is it to start a thread and complain when people join in?
Sounds like something children would say...." you started it "..." Oh no I did not, you did "....ner
Not trying to create a grievance out of anything, and yes I feel it is ok to report that in here. Because you do not think it is, who the heck are you? Site owner? Run the AUP?
Instead of baying everyone at every opportunity, what about starting a thread...all of your own?
Is there now only certain things me or anyone else for that matter, can put on this forum? Do I have to answer to you at all?
Your a member just like me, and IF you do not like a subject, or feel it is not worthy of posting on here, then a suggestion is needed...............move on to something that interests you.
There are plenty of subjects that do not, interest me, and they I do not post in....may I suggest you do the same.
I will await a thread from you, with total excitement. Am sure the whole of SH will be only too eager to post in it.
I am baffled and perplexed. If you start a debate, by posting a contentious article form the Daily Heil, you shouldn't be surprised if those of us who think the Daily Heil is beneath contempt have something to say. Especially when your contribution amounts to saying that planning guidelines are 'silly laws' as if development control is like making up the rules for the Eton Wall Game.
You don't have to answer to me, or anyone. But this is unstructured discourse; you don't control what follows from your starting a debate. There are lots of threads I ignore. I thought this one worth commenting on.
I can tell from your somewhat messy grammar that you're not up to your normal form in this post, but I think it's fair to point out that I wasn't accusing you of trying to start a grievance; I was talking about the Daily Heil, the newspaper for people who think everything's wrong with the world, that their glass is half empty because immigrants have been pinching their drinks.
You want me to start a thread of my own? Rest assured, I will. It probably won't involve a quote from the Daily Heil.
Quote by kentswingers777
despite the respect for the disabled the nearness of the bays to the shops provides a useful function. If they weren't there most shoppers would park as near as they could and inevitably there would be a consistent traffic jam around the main entrance.
Having an area that avoids congestion creates a safer area around the main entrance and distributes the traffic in an orderly way into the parking lot.
people seem to go to great efforts to get as near as possible to the entrance. what is the panic? is there some fear that they will get dive bombed by shitehawks and lose all their shopping?
No Duncan it is called...being a bunch of lazy fuckers!
As you rightly say, at my local shopping centre people drive up and down looking for a space as close to the entrance as possible. All because they do not want to walk the 200 yards to the entrance yet, when they get in there they walk for miles browsing at the shops. Madness.....funy how the silly human mind works.
If the doors were big enough, I'm sure some of them would consider driving in..
Whenever anything to do with cars and our rights in respect of cars comes up, people's blood often boils. :mad:
I would make some points:
There was comment under reference to a Ford Fiesta about disabled cars being in the smaller classes and limitations being imposed on the size of "Motability" cars:
Firstly there have been some very skilled and brave disabled drivers in motorsport (I would drop the names of Archie Scott-Brown and Joy Rainey) and some disabled people are as capable of handling upper market models as able bodied people. Secondly, the Motabilty car scheme is not financed by the Taxpayer as such as it is merely the free choice of the use of the EXISTING Disabilty living Allowance getting around portion with any excess charges for better models having to be paid for by the disabled person from other means. Also, some severely disabled people require People Carriers or Transit type window vans with a hoist to lift them in (albeit in those cases that a family member is often the authorised driver).
Turning now to the point about disabled people being locked up in institutions, that of course is what we used to do with them in Victorian times - although contary to popular rumor, I wasn't around to witness it!
Plim
I would make some points:
There was comment under reference to a Ford Fiesta about disabled cars being in the smaller classes and limitations being imposed on the size of "Motability" cars:
Firstly there have been some very skilled and brave disabled drivers in motorsport (I would drop the names of Archie Scott-Brown and Joy Rainey) and some disabled people are as capable of handling upper market models as able bodied people. Secondly, the Motabilty car scheme is not financed by the Taxpayer as such as it is merely the free choice of the use of the EXISTING Disabilty living Allowance getting around portion with any excess charges for better models having to be paid for by the disabled person from other means. Also, some severely disabled people require People Carriers or Transit type window vans with a hoist to lift them in (albeit in those cases that a family member is often the authorised driver).
Turning now to the point about disabled people being locked up in institutions, that of course is what we used to do with them in Victorian times - although contary to popular rumor, I wasn't around to witness it!
Plim
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Foxy and Kaz, I apologise if you found those points offensive.
I know that not all disabilities are immediately visible; my dad looks like most older blokes of his age - hence he feels like a fraud when he's having a better day.
My point about the sportier cars was in relation to ease of access - I can't imagine most disabled people being able to use them. And I've seen 'disabled' people get out of them (only person in vehicle) and run/trot to wherever they are going. Foxy, point taken though about having a bit of joy in their lives. Plim, I spoke to my dad about it and yes, his mobility money could go toward a different car if he was able to 'top up' the payment.
I know that not all disabilities are immediately visible; my dad looks like most older blokes of his age - hence he feels like a fraud when he's having a better day.
My point about the sportier cars was in relation to ease of access - I can't imagine most disabled people being able to use them. And I've seen 'disabled' people get out of them (only person in vehicle) and run/trot to wherever they are going. Foxy, point taken though about having a bit of joy in their lives. Plim, I spoke to my dad about it and yes, his mobility money could go toward a different car if he was able to 'top up' the payment.
Quote by awayman
I always wondered this too.
At our local shopping centre we can drive around for ages looking for a space, only to go past scores of disabled bays laying empty.
I am all for there being spaces but do we really need as many as there are?
It seems there is a silly law saying they have to have ex ammount of spaces but...it seems to me to far outweigh the people who actually use them.
So next time you are fighting for a space, check the disabled bays and see if this is a valid arguement.
There is an answer. Make able bodied people get the bus.
By the way, if there are scores of disabled bays empty at your local shopping centre, that means it has 1000 parking spaces overall. That's quite large.
It's a typical Daily Mail diatribe playing on the sense of grievance; mums who drive to the shops feel they should have more priority so they've got more room for their Chelsea tractors and their pushchairs. I think it's safe to say there are bigger issues in the world.
Of course there are but it was something I felt was worth talking about.
How do YOU come to the conclusion that there are 1000 parking spaces? Based purely on my comment of " scores "?
Why should able bodied people be forced to catch a bus, when they pay large sums of money to be able to drive?
I feel that parents with young children should possibly be given more spaces too, just like at supermarkets where they realise how difficult it is for families with young children....or would you let them get the bus as well?
" Daily Mail diatribe " eh? That is just so funny!
If you have nothing constructive to say on the subject, why say anything at all?
Why say anything? You started it. You thought a cretinous article trying to create a grievance out of nothing in the Daily Mail was worth reposting here.
As to the calculation of 1000 spaces, yes, I took your claim that there were scores of empty spaces, and did some number crunching. A score is twenty. You do know that don't you? So scores (plural) would imply at least two scores, or 40. Since the article you quoted referred to planning guidance requiring 4% disabled spaces in larger car parks, that gives you a figure of approximately 1000 spaces for it to be possible that there were scores of empty parking spaces.
Of course, it's possible that you were exaggerating, or making it up for effect. I couldn't possibly comment.
Why make people catch the bus? Well, because it's a complex argument, transport policy, and owning and using a car is not an entitlement or a right. The debate over transport policy and land use policy is more complicated than the Daily Mail would ever understand. I think the debate around family spaces in supermarket car parks is more complex than 'some people think they should have priority in supermarket carparks because of their lifestyle choices.'
How odd is it to start a thread and complain when people join in?
Sounds like something children would say...." you started it "..." Oh no I did not, you did "....ner
Not trying to create a grievance out of anything, and yes I feel it is ok to report that in here. Because you do not think it is, who the heck are you? Site owner? Run the AUP?
Instead of baying everyone at every opportunity, what about starting a thread...all of your own?
Is there now only certain things me or anyone else for that matter, can put on this forum? Do I have to answer to you at all?
Your a member just like me, and IF you do not like a subject, or feel it is not worthy of posting on here, then a suggestion is needed...............move on to something that interests you.
There are plenty of subjects that do not, interest me, and they I do not post in....may I suggest you do the same.
I will await a thread from you, with total excitement. Am sure the whole of SH will be only too eager to post in it.
I am baffled and perplexed. If you start a debate, by posting a contentious article form the Daily Heil, you shouldn't be surprised if those of us who think the Daily Heil is beneath contempt have something to say. Especially when your contribution amounts to saying that planning guidelines are 'silly laws' as if development control is like making up the rules for the Eton Wall Game.
You don't have to answer to me, or anyone. But this is unstructured discourse; you don't control what follows from your starting a debate. There are lots of threads I ignore. I thought this one worth commenting on.
I can tell from your somewhat messy grammar that you're not up to your normal form in this post, but I think it's fair to point out that I wasn't accusing you of trying to start a grievance; I was talking about the Daily Heil, the newspaper for people who think everything's wrong with the world, that their glass is half empty because immigrants have been pinching their drinks.
You want me to start a thread of my own? Rest assured, I will. It probably won't involve a quote from the Daily Heil.
Please not the Economist or that other tripe the Guardian.
Think of something constructive....informative.....fun.
But hey it will be your choice.
My this internet thingy can be such fun.
Is the Grammar above ok for you this time?
Would hate to give you something else to moan about eh?
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I don't think it the amount of disabled bays that's the problem, but i wonder how many wives,husbands,sons or daughters have used a disability badge to get a decent parking space when the disabled person isn't even with them.
Hello Powers...you been away or locked up?
Seriously your above comment I bet it happens all the time.
The trouble is in a shopping car park or a supermarket, there never seems anyone around to enforce it anyway.
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There's a lot of people playing that fake disabled parking thing. they steal signs from public places and attach them outside their houses, even when they don't have an official disabled bay.
they also steal blue signs from disabled drivers cars. these are counterfeited and sold on.
I stole a blue sign once.....apparently John Wesley once lived here
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