I am feeling a bit depressed at the moment so I guess I am looking on the darker side of the seems to me that we have insidiously screwed up a number of underlying principles that have led us to a society that is increasingly disjointed and which will ultimately shake itself of whee I see thinking is disjointed are .
We have encouraged hundreds of thousands of people in to further education with no rationale as to who will employ them on qualification.
We have contemparaneously(sp)impoverished these same people by burdening them with huge debts for the said qualification which we then charge interest on as long as the debt is outstanding.
We hide true unemployment through a series of cosmetic measures which mask the realities.
We do not invest in domestic manufacturing and so allow our demand to be satisfied by goods imported from low wage economies and allow the companies controlling this to avoid uk taxes by pricing manipulation or by regional(outside of the uk) tax incentives.
Because we make so little we add no real value and therefore wealth creation is stunted and wage levels are bound to reduce in real terms.
We allow the free entrance of EC labour from lower wage economies which further drives down wage levels and therefore tax revenues, demand similarly hit due to reduced allow these same workers to send significant sums of money abroad.
For the above priveledge we pay ridiculous sums of money to an organisation that cannot even get its accounts verified year after year.
We increase our tax burdens year after year which again constrains demand.
We increase the gap between rich and poor and pay lip service to addressing it
etc etc
I'm worried
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Disjointed society
Niceguy.....welcome to Britain 2009 m8.
I will not even add to your list with knife crime or teenage this or that.
As a society in my opinion, slacking morals and us Brits just " accepting " it, have made us a much worse place to live.
Yes Britain is great on many things but.....with this last ten years of Brown and blairy it has got much worse on many things.
Education has become a bit of a joke anyway with the " dumbing down " of exams. Now it is all about graphs and charts, which as we all know can like most things, be manipulated to show whatever they want.
As a University graduate that is in debt to the tune of 1000's of pounds, with it seems very little chance at the moment of landing that job, is a sad fact of a reccesion, and the very poor handling of the financial institutions, by this Government.
I will not even add to your list with knife crime or teenage this or that.
As a society in my opinion, slacking morals and us Brits just " accepting " it, have made us a much worse place to live.
Yes Britain is great on many things but.....with this last ten years of Brown and blairy it has got much worse on many things.
Education has become a bit of a joke anyway with the " dumbing down " of exams. Now it is all about graphs and charts, which as we all know can like most things, be manipulated to show whatever they want.
As a University graduate that is in debt to the tune of 1000's of pounds, with it seems very little chance at the moment of landing that job, is a sad fact of a reccesion, and the very poor handling of the financial institutions, by this Government.
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Are you a greedy girl then Witchy??
Yes. There are so many things I'd like to do to you if we were locked alone in a room together.
And none of them are mentionable on a swingers site. :wink:
OMG. :shock:
As long as it is nothing too Liberal Witchy. :wink:
By all means pm me and let me know what you have in mind.
It will be out little secret. :fuckinghell:
Sex God
I think the title of this thread is very accurate. Our society has become disjointed. I don't mean by separate cultures - I feel that is a lovely variation just taking its time to get properly mixed together. It's the generational flow that has become disjointed.
The culture of work has changed, forcing young families to move away from parents/grandparents and the support they give. I don't just mean baby-sitting, but the advice older family members can offer.
The 'permissive' approaches to education in the '60's - by which I mean the lazy, let them work it out for themselves - approach to teaching produced a couple of generations of parents who can barely string a correct sentence together and who have little grasp of discipline.
The changes to the secondary syllabus lost those same people much of the basic knowledge they needed - best example is the zero knowledge of cooking for and feeding a family with proper food.
These are all breaks in the flow of knowledge, both social and practical that have combined in my son's generation to produce a population (within the wider population) who are utterly ignorant of their responsibilties in society but who have a clear grasp of their 'rights'. They are a sad, scared and disfunctional group, and highly visible.
People like my son, and no doubt the children of most of the members on here (from what I've seen, a generally intelligent and engaged bunch of people) struggle to make their voices heard, their needs met in a society that is forced to deal with far too many people who cause, and have, the bulk of the problems we see in the news every day.
The culture of work has changed, forcing young families to move away from parents/grandparents and the support they give. I don't just mean baby-sitting, but the advice older family members can offer.
The 'permissive' approaches to education in the '60's - by which I mean the lazy, let them work it out for themselves - approach to teaching produced a couple of generations of parents who can barely string a correct sentence together and who have little grasp of discipline.
The changes to the secondary syllabus lost those same people much of the basic knowledge they needed - best example is the zero knowledge of cooking for and feeding a family with proper food.
These are all breaks in the flow of knowledge, both social and practical that have combined in my son's generation to produce a population (within the wider population) who are utterly ignorant of their responsibilties in society but who have a clear grasp of their 'rights'. They are a sad, scared and disfunctional group, and highly visible.
People like my son, and no doubt the children of most of the members on here (from what I've seen, a generally intelligent and engaged bunch of people) struggle to make their voices heard, their needs met in a society that is forced to deal with far too many people who cause, and have, the bulk of the problems we see in the news every day.
Sex God
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When you keep saying "we" - who do you mean? I haven't done any of those things!
By we I mean the government "we" the people have elected.
Speak for yourself. I have more sense than to vote for anyone who claims to want to be an MP. That claim alone disbars them from being a viable option on my ballot paper. Sadly it means there is no-one I am willing to vote for. Shame we can't fill in our own choices one the ballot paper. I would vote for Richard Branson and Stephen Fry to run the country.
Sex God
Whilst I don't disagree with many of the points raised in the OP, I am always reminded of the words of the great Mahatma Ghandi:
"Be the change you want to see in the world."
So, what are we doing to make things better?
Whilst we cannot directly impact some of the decisions made (other than by participating fully and actively in the democratic process) we can make a difference in our own communities.
So, if society is disjointed, we could all play our part in fixing it.
"Be the change you want to see in the world."
So, what are we doing to make things better?
Whilst we cannot directly impact some of the decisions made (other than by participating fully and actively in the democratic process) we can make a difference in our own communities.
So, if society is disjointed, we could all play our part in fixing it.
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We have encouraged hundreds of thousands of people in to further education with no rationale as to who will employ them on qualification...
That is exactly what I've always thought as well.
The number of jobs I've worked with people that have University Degrees but end up doing £12,200 Retail Jobs, is worrying.
What's happened in Britain is that our nation is based on two factors:
1. The myth that we are 'Great' or special.
2. Class System.
As I've mentioned in other posts more recently on why I believe the B.N.P will become a major Political Force (please read.. very good).
Before you are shocked; am Mixed Race from Liverpool. So am NO lover of the B.N.P, more a hater.
Anyways, us British are not dynamic.
We just like to follow the crowd or 'am alright Jack' mind-set.
Just close the curtains & outside doesn't matter.
If you have a really good idea in the workplace, you really have to think twice before declaring it.
That Manager might think you're a threat or they have a paranoid idea that you more intelligent.
The amount of time friends have told me they have really good ideas to improve their workplace but didn't say anything cause of this attitude / mind-set.
Anyways, us British are not dynamic.
We just like to follow the crowd or 'am alright Jack' mind-set.
Just close the curtains & outside doesn't matter.
If you have a really good idea in the workplace, you really have to think twice before declaring it.
That Manager might think you're a threat or they have a paranoid idea that you more intelligent.
The amount of time friends have told me they have really good ideas to improve their workplace but didn't say anything cause of this attitude / mind-set.
Sex God
That has often been a problem at my place. Then when they want ideas they wonder why none are forthcoming.
We have started a concept called 'Process Excellence' which on the surface looks like a great idea of maximising our productivity by minimising wasted effort. Sadly it is simply a poorly disguised way to get rid of more staff without impacting the bottom line. Suffice to say, enthusiasm is hard to work up.
We have started a concept called 'Process Excellence' which on the surface looks like a great idea of maximising our productivity by minimising wasted effort. Sadly it is simply a poorly disguised way to get rid of more staff without impacting the bottom line. Suffice to say, enthusiasm is hard to work up.
So nothing really changes other nations will overtake us... (again reasons why, please read my Posts on the B.N.P).
We know of the ills of our British Society but don't do anything.
A friend that's 48, told me the other day that she sees nothing in the present youth in Liverpool.
She told me "I had less but more energy & originality".
Am 31 & I agree, we are living in empty self-obsessed times.
I don't have Children but living in this present society in the U.K doesn't give me encouragement to become a Parent.
We know of the ills of our British Society but don't do anything.
A friend that's 48, told me the other day that she sees nothing in the present youth in Liverpool.
She told me "I had less but more energy & originality".
Am 31 & I agree, we are living in empty self-obsessed times.
I don't have Children but living in this present society in the U.K doesn't give me encouragement to become a Parent.
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That has often been a problem at my place. Then when they want ideas they wonder why none are forthcoming.
We have started a concept called 'Process Excellence' which on the surface looks like a great idea of maximising our productivity by minimising wasted effort. Sadly it is simply a poorly disguised way to get rid of more staff without impacting the bottom line. Suffice to say, enthusiasm is hard to work up.
This is why millions watched & loved 'The Office'.
It's a comedy but an accurate tragic take on modern British Society.
I wanna leave & move to a better place with no Pit-Bulls in the Park or People playing their rubbish R&B on their phone so the entire Bus can listen.
I wonder what's Germany like
: Trains that run on-time, clean streets. Quote by foxylady2209
Shame we can't fill in our own choices one the ballot paper. I would vote for Richard Branson and Stephen Fry to run the country.
What a wonderful idea.....although maybe the era of intervention by celebrity to inject much needed common sense is already upon us...viz a vis Joanna Lumley(I'd still so love to snog her face off) and Esther Rantzen.
