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Do you think Brown is doing a good job?
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Sorry but I can't stop myself from posting in threads like this.
Is Gordon doing a good job? No! Quite emphatically is doing what he has done for the past 10 years. That is to mis-inform, mis-manage and mis-the-plot.
You may not have noticed but Gordon has taken to making things alright by underwriting ........everything!!!!
Lets consider what Gordon's giving for christmas....
He has pledged to cover the banks and has given them vast sums of capital (I thought it was £50+ billion in hard cash up to now) ...but he has also given them a bottomless guarantee (was 500billion mentioned) that he will continue to fund them...well thats great it gives us confidence our money's safe in his hands .
Then he has promised the banks that if house buyers default on mortgages Uncle Gordon will indemnify(give them money) them against losses arising as a result of not foreclosing also great as it protects some of our more vulnerable house buyers.
Oh and he very kindly gives, for a period of 6 months, unemployment and other benefits to polish workers who have had enough and have returned home.
And then he's given us all a major boost by dropping Vat to 15%.
Oh and he's given up all those tax revenues on company profits that he used to get when the economy was to mention the years of "Global" inwards investment by foreign companies In UKPlc who have transferred profits abroad to avoid paying the uk corporation tax they used to pay when they were British owned.
He's given away our economy such that the world now considers UKPlc as the country that will suffer most from the "Global!!!!" recession.
He's given away our exchange rate .... the pound is now worth a fraction of it's value against other major currencies Against the euro it is now to the £ last year it was (thats a 30% reduction) and against the dollar it's $ where it was over $2 last means everything we buy from abroad and we all know how significant a proportion that is will get 15-25% more course our exports will be so much cheaper ..if only we still made things to export.
Don't forget the only thing that saved our economy in the past was the financial sector that we relied so heavily on to create wealth. This is disappearing rapidly with every new announcement of city balance of payments therefore is about to move from moderate deficiencies to horrendous ones.
He's also going to fund the rise in benefits as 2 then 3 then maybe 4 or million people lose their jobs ...theres nothing to stop it rising ...we don't make anything anymore.... so we add no value... so theres no wealth creation which then got recirculated through the service industries.
He's going to give all civil servants and public sector workers pension rises well beyond what the private sector will get (and yet he has continually eroded working class pension funds where workers have paid in all their life and not looked to the state to pay for their retirement)
And finally he's given me despair ...for he's promising to pay for everything and sadly it's just another smokescreen He can't actually afford to cover what he's pledged to . His borrowing figures as atrocious as they are factor in no worst cases , so if he has to honour just one of his pledges UkPlc is bankrupt.
Now is a time for a radical who is not afraid of starting over and making unilateral(not global) decisions for the uk ! I'm afraid I dont see that guy on the political horizon.
Failing that the only guy I have heard that is talking anything like close to common sense is Vince Cable and I fear he is too traditional to get us out of the real dire brown stuff that we are in.
Suggestions of radical interventions .
Buy to let landlords defaulting on mortgages. Properties nationalised and used to fill the housing shortage with rents going back into the economy.
Public sector pensions frozen and made contributory money purchase basis going forwards.
All but essential public sevice workers cut.
National skill profiling set against a plan for a major public sector construct on a massive scale the deficiency in our energy generation capacity ...using green energy sources in all cases. Also to construct any housing remaining shortage after buy to let is nationalised. Where appropriate massive retraining to fill the gaps and reduce unemployment.
An analysis of our major imports and a plan to bring back in house their sourcing to uk Plc be it foodstuffs or engineering products.
Migrant workers reduced to a quota system with individuals allowed to work in this country for 2 years only. Our borders closed to all but refugeee status until such time as we can stabilise around 60 million logic , whilst they live in the uk and consume products and pay taxes (or claim benefits)most send substantial sums of money home which is then lost to the uk economy.
Yes I can see plenty of problems with the above but I've dashed this off in ten minutes whose to say the best brains in the country couldn't make it work.(and that's definitely not Gordon's)
TLIAM Please believe me when I say Gordon really isn't doing a good job sadly in 2-3 years you will find out just how bad he has been doing.
Is Gordon doing a good job? No! Quite emphatically is doing what he has done for the past 10 years. That is to mis-inform, mis-manage and mis-the-plot.
You may not have noticed but Gordon has taken to making things alright by underwriting ........everything!!!!
Lets consider what Gordon's giving for christmas....
He has pledged to cover the banks and has given them vast sums of capital (I thought it was £50+ billion in hard cash up to now) ...but he has also given them a bottomless guarantee (was 500billion mentioned) that he will continue to fund them...well thats great it gives us confidence our money's safe in his hands .
Then he has promised the banks that if house buyers default on mortgages Uncle Gordon will indemnify(give them money) them against losses arising as a result of not foreclosing also great as it protects some of our more vulnerable house buyers.
Oh and he very kindly gives, for a period of 6 months, unemployment and other benefits to polish workers who have had enough and have returned home.
And then he's given us all a major boost by dropping Vat to 15%.
Oh and he's given up all those tax revenues on company profits that he used to get when the economy was to mention the years of "Global" inwards investment by foreign companies In UKPlc who have transferred profits abroad to avoid paying the uk corporation tax they used to pay when they were British owned.
He's given away our economy such that the world now considers UKPlc as the country that will suffer most from the "Global!!!!" recession.
He's given away our exchange rate .... the pound is now worth a fraction of it's value against other major currencies Against the euro it is now to the £ last year it was (thats a 30% reduction) and against the dollar it's $ where it was over $2 last means everything we buy from abroad and we all know how significant a proportion that is will get 15-25% more course our exports will be so much cheaper ..if only we still made things to export.
Don't forget the only thing that saved our economy in the past was the financial sector that we relied so heavily on to create wealth. This is disappearing rapidly with every new announcement of city balance of payments therefore is about to move from moderate deficiencies to horrendous ones.
He's also going to fund the rise in benefits as 2 then 3 then maybe 4 or million people lose their jobs ...theres nothing to stop it rising ...we don't make anything anymore.... so we add no value... so theres no wealth creation which then got recirculated through the service industries.
He's going to give all civil servants and public sector workers pension rises well beyond what the private sector will get (and yet he has continually eroded working class pension funds where workers have paid in all their life and not looked to the state to pay for their retirement)
And finally he's given me despair ...for he's promising to pay for everything and sadly it's just another smokescreen He can't actually afford to cover what he's pledged to . His borrowing figures as atrocious as they are factor in no worst cases , so if he has to honour just one of his pledges UkPlc is bankrupt.
Now is a time for a radical who is not afraid of starting over and making unilateral(not global) decisions for the uk ! I'm afraid I dont see that guy on the political horizon.
Failing that the only guy I have heard that is talking anything like close to common sense is Vince Cable and I fear he is too traditional to get us out of the real dire brown stuff that we are in.
Suggestions of radical interventions .
Buy to let landlords defaulting on mortgages. Properties nationalised and used to fill the housing shortage with rents going back into the economy.
Public sector pensions frozen and made contributory money purchase basis going forwards.
All but essential public sevice workers cut.
National skill profiling set against a plan for a major public sector construct on a massive scale the deficiency in our energy generation capacity ...using green energy sources in all cases. Also to construct any housing remaining shortage after buy to let is nationalised. Where appropriate massive retraining to fill the gaps and reduce unemployment.
An analysis of our major imports and a plan to bring back in house their sourcing to uk Plc be it foodstuffs or engineering products.
Migrant workers reduced to a quota system with individuals allowed to work in this country for 2 years only. Our borders closed to all but refugeee status until such time as we can stabilise around 60 million logic , whilst they live in the uk and consume products and pay taxes (or claim benefits)most send substantial sums of money home which is then lost to the uk economy.
Yes I can see plenty of problems with the above but I've dashed this off in ten minutes whose to say the best brains in the country couldn't make it work.(and that's definitely not Gordon's)
TLIAM Please believe me when I say Gordon really isn't doing a good job sadly in 2-3 years you will find out just how bad he has been doing.
.....and yet we are predicted to be bottom of the table when it comes to mitigating the effects of the 's not just me that believes that ....listen to the german finance minister.
And come on now Dean... Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
And come on now Dean... Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
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Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
After listening to some stuff on radio and T.V not only will this recession last a lot longer than 2009 (ffs
) it may well have reprocussions well into the 20-teens!! Also this recession isn't one thats slowly taking shape its here and its setting up shop now. I see a lot of holes in what admit to seing yourself in your radical approach nge though in essence I see where your coming from and its merits. Somehow somewhere UK has got to look to itself to start producing and looking ater itself once more. Things are going to be more expensive and standards of living are even going to reduce in my view. what I hope to see with his happening is not just Joe Public footing the bill. I do hope that i'm wrong in my feelings of gloom but i fear not. Lets get some politicians who has the guts to throw off the faux Armani suit we've been wrapped in and don some jeans and boots and get the country grafting for itself.
Oh and though GB has given us the great news that he troops are coming home from Iraq next year lets just hope that come spring they are not coming home to cutbacks and no jobs too!.
Tgats the most serious i'm going to be this side of Christmas. Until after then I'm burying my head.
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Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
After listening to some stuff on radio and T.V not only will this recession last a lot longer than 2009 (ffs
) it may well have reprocussions well into the 20-teens!! Also this recession isn't one thats slowly taking shape its here and its setting up shop now. I see a lot of holes in what admit to seing yourself in your radical approach nge though in essence I see where your coming from and its merits. Somehow somewhere UK has got to look to itself to start producing and looking ater itself once more. Things are going to be more expensive and standards of living are even going to reduce in my view. what I hope to see with his happening is not just Joe Public footing the bill. I do hope that i'm wrong in my feelings of gloom but i fear not. Lets get some politicians who has the guts to throw off the faux Armani suit we've been wrapped in and don some jeans and boots and get the country grafting for itself.
Oh and though GB has given us the great news that he troops are coming home from Iraq next year lets just hope that come spring they are not coming home to cutbacks and no jobs too!.
Tgats the most serious i'm going to be this side of Christmas. Until after then I'm burying my head.
Yeah, and straight back to Afghanistan...
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.....and yet we are predicted to be bottom of the table when it comes to mitigating the effects of the 's not just me that believes that ....listen to the german finance minister.
And come on now Dean... Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
yes that exactly what I believe...being working within the new build construction industry we were first to see it hitting and wil be the first to see the pick up. The cuts in interest rates are starting to have an effect. The banks need to loosen a little, becuase at the moment it seems they won't borrow money without a directors guanantee. the recession wil hit bottom in about march/April..we will bob along for a while on the bottom..and we will see the green shoots of recovery in the September time of 2009 and then 1010 will be a pick up year.
Also whilst we here lets look at the real cause of this trouble. It is rooted many years ago with Mrs Thatcher, when she sold us the utopia of home ownership. Since that time the idea of home ownership has escalted, with land and house prices rocketing to a level, so that no one could get on the first rung anymore. what we are seeing now is a re-adjustment of land prices, which is where the banks are in potential danger. thankfuly by end of this we will see sustainable land prices and a healthy renting section as well.
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.....and yet we are predicted to be bottom of the table when it comes to mitigating the effects of the 's not just me that believes that ....listen to the german finance minister.
And come on now Dean... Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
yes that exactly what I believe...being working within the new build construction industry we were first to see it hitting and wil be the first to see the pick up. The cuts in interest rates are starting to have an effect. The banks need to loosen a little, becuase at the moment it seems they won't borrow money without a directors guanantee. the recession wil hit bottom in about march/April..we will bob along for a while on the bottom..and we will see the green shoots of recovery in the September time of 2009 and then 1010 will be a pick up year.
Also whilst we here lets look at the real cause of this trouble. It is rooted many years ago with Mrs Thatcher, when she sold us the utopia of home ownership. Since that time the idea of home ownership has escalted, with land and house prices rocketing to a level, so that no one could get on the first rung anymore. what we are seeing now is a re-adjustment of land prices, which is where the banks are in potential danger. thankfuly by end of this we will see sustainable land prices and a healthy renting section as well.
Funnily enough I think you are probably right that the rot set in with Thatcher. But I`m not sure the house ownership thing in itself was the problem.
The selling off of the countries assets which put all our profitable utilities in private ownership and left all the unprofitable stuff for the tax payer to bail out was a crime against the whole population and she and her cohorts should be brought to account for that.
Correct me if I`m wrong but aren`t we now in a situation where EDF runs a substantial amount of the power supply system in the UK and the French state has a majority holding in EDF.....
So our power system is now state owned ....by the French !!!
And why oh why didn`t the Labour party reverse what the tories had done ???
The sooner people realise that the problems are not between Left and Right politics but are caused by "career" politicians of all parties who are there simply to line their own flower, you're all in France after all! :shock:
might have to move to Poland then
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Not your fault babes. I was trying to be humorous and it fell flat on it's face. Think I'll leave the satire to those more used to it
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.....and yet we are predicted to be bottom of the table when it comes to mitigating the effects of the 's not just me that believes that ....listen to the german finance minister.
And come on now Dean... Gordon and his cronies are talking about a short recession with us starting to come out of it in the second half of you honestly believe they know what they are talking about. I am afraid this belief is like a gambler putting his last tenner on one last spin of the wheel....only Gordon hasn't got a tenner :shock:
yes that exactly what I believe...being working within the new build construction industry we were first to see it hitting and wil be the first to see the pick up. The cuts in interest rates are starting to have an effect. The banks need to loosen a little, becuase at the moment it seems they won't borrow money without a directors guanantee. the recession wil hit bottom in about march/April..we will bob along for a while on the bottom..and we will see the green shoots of recovery in the September time of 2009 and then 1010 will be a pick up year.
Also whilst we here lets look at the real cause of this trouble. It is rooted many years ago with Mrs Thatcher, when she sold us the utopia of home ownership. Since that time the idea of home ownership has escalted, with land and house prices rocketing to a level, so that no one could get on the first rung anymore. what we are seeing now is a re-adjustment of land prices, which is where the banks are in potential danger. thankfuly by end of this we will see sustainable land prices and a healthy renting section as well.
How many moons are there on your planet :lol2:
Why is it that I always hear the same drivel!
Thatcher left power yonks ago...light years ago, yet she still get's the blame for things now. Strange one.
I think that she was the greatest PM except for Churchill. Am not going to go into the politics of what she did or did not do but....start blaming THIS lot of incompetent fools, that have been in power now for OVER ten years.
Why is it Governments and even people always want to blame others for their own incompetence. The buck stops at this Labour Government for most of our problems, not a Government that was in 15 years ago. :shock:
Thatcher left power yonks ago...light years ago, yet she still get's the blame for things now. Strange one.
I think that she was the greatest PM except for Churchill. Am not going to go into the politics of what she did or did not do but....start blaming THIS lot of incompetent fools, that have been in power now for OVER ten years.
Why is it Governments and even people always want to blame others for their own incompetence. The buck stops at this Labour Government for most of our problems, not a Government that was in 15 years ago. :shock:
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Why is it that I always hear the same drivel!
Thatcher left power yonks ago...light years ago, yet she still get's the blame for things now. Strange one.
I think that she was the greatest PM except for Churchill. Am not going to go into the politics of what she did or did not do but....start blaming THIS lot of incompetent fools, that have been in power now for OVER ten years.
Why is it Governments and even people always want to blame others for their own incompetence. The buck stops at this Labour Government for most of our problems, not a Government that was in 15 years ago. :shock:
Our country isn’t in a state just based on the last 5, 10, 15 ,20 or even 50 years ago. This is why we have history you have to look back since parliament began it all has a part to play in where and what is today.
If you think all the problems related today is just down to the last 5-10 years I seriously think you are wrong.
Of course Thatcher had a part to play as did the labour government before her.
Look back and lets learn don’t just look at this government.
I am not defending this government or previous ones, They are all as bad as each other.
But for you to say lets blame this government for all that is today is a blinkered view of life. Just my opinion.
Sex God
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Our country isn’t in a state just based on the last 5, 10, 15 ,20 or even 50 years ago. This is why we have history you have to look back since parliament began it all has a part to play in where and what is today.
If you think all the problems related today is just down to the last 5-10 years I seriously think you are wrong.
Of course Thatcher had a part to play as did the labour government before her.
Look back and lets learn don’t just look at this government.
I am not defending this government or previous ones, They are all as bad as each other.
But for you to say lets blame this government for all that is today is a blinkered view of life. Just my opinion.
He's not the only one blaming one particular goverment Minxy....
Deano thinks its because people only wanted to own homes since Thatcher was in power and its all her fault :lol2:
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yes that exactly what I believe...being working within the new build construction industry we were first to see it hitting and wil be the first to see the pick up. The cuts in interest rates are starting to have an effect. The banks need to loosen a little, becuase at the moment it seems they won't borrow money without a directors guanantee. the recession wil hit bottom in about march/April..we will bob along for a while on the bottom..and we will see the green shoots of recovery in the September time of 2009 and then 1010 will be a pick up year.
Also whilst we here lets look at the real cause of this trouble. It is rooted many years ago with Mrs Thatcher, when she sold us the utopia of home ownership. Since that time the idea of home ownership has escalted, with land and house prices rocketing to a level, so that no one could get on the first rung anymore. what we are seeing now is a re-adjustment of land prices, which is where the banks are in potential danger. thankfuly by end of this we will see sustainable land prices and a healthy renting section as well.
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So we are pulling out of Iraq, about time, as long as we do not leave it in a bigger mess than when we pull the place apart.
As for paying, yes we are going to be paying for Cash Gordon's hand outs for decades... and we have only just paid for WW2.
Travis
And we were well and truely stitched up there!
I wonder who it was that stitched us up
Could it be the same country that started the banking problems? hummmm I wonder!
I could just be becomming cynical in my older age!
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So we are pulling out of Iraq, about time, as long as we do not leave it in a bigger mess than when we pull the place apart.
As for paying, yes we are going to be paying for Cash Gordon's hand outs for decades... and we have only just paid for WW2.
Travis
And we were well and truely stitched up there!
I wonder who it was that stitched us up
Could it be the same country that started the banking problems? hummmm I wonder!
I could just be becomming cynical in my older age!
One mans cynic is another woman realist.
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So we are pulling out of Iraq, about time, as long as we do not leave it in a bigger mess than when we pull the place apart.
As for paying, yes we are going to be paying for Cash Gordon's hand outs for decades... and we have only just paid for WW2.
Travis
And we were well and truely stitched up there!
I wonder who it was that stitched us up
Could it be the same country that started the banking problems? hummmm I wonder!
I could just be becomming cynical in my older age!
One mans cynic is another woman realist.
Meaning?
Are you calling me a man or agreeing with a woman?
Or neither?
Do I sound confused?
Quote by Theladyisaminx
So we are pulling out of Iraq, about time, as long as we do not leave it in a bigger mess than when we pull the place apart.
As for paying, yes we are going to be paying for Cash Gordon's hand outs for decades... and we have only just paid for WW2.
Travis
And we were well and truely stitched up there!
I wonder who it was that stitched us up
Could it be the same country that started the banking problems? hummmm I wonder!
I could just be becomming cynical in my older age!
One mans cynic is another woman realist.
Meaning?
Are you calling me a man or agreeing with a woman?
Or neither?
Do I sound confused?
You are my cynic, I am your realist.I am agreeing with you.
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So we are pulling out of Iraq, about time, as long as we do not leave it in a bigger mess than when we pull the place apart.
As for paying, yes we are going to be paying for Cash Gordon's hand outs for decades... and we have only just paid for WW2.
Travis
And we were well and truely stitched up there!
I wonder who it was that stitched us up
Could it be the same country that started the banking problems? hummmm I wonder!
I could just be becomming cynical in my older age!
One mans cynic is another woman realist.
Meaning?
Are you calling me a man or agreeing with a woman?
Or neither?
Do I sound confused?
You are my cynic, I am your realist.I am agreeing with you.
I thought you were! :lol:
But I have a theory on this! :wink:
Quote by kentswingers777
Why is it that I always hear the same drivel!
Thatcher left power yonks ago...light years ago, yet she still get's the blame for things now. Strange one.
I think that she was the greatest PM except for Churchill. Am not going to go into the politics of what she did or did not do but....start blaming THIS lot of incompetent fools, that have been in power now for OVER ten years.
Why is it Governments and even people always want to blame others for their own incompetence. The buck stops at this Labour Government for most of our problems, not a Government that was in 15 years ago. :shock:
Blame it all on the Germans.. they lost the last world war didn't they... better still, why not blame it all on Saddam?
How about the Ayatollah Khomeini, he'll do for sure...
Whatever you do, don't blame Commissar Brown
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Wouldn't agree with any of that flower...
State ownership has shown time and again that the country can and will be held to ransom.
Market forces place a different burden and home ownership gives a sense of pride.
That`s the point !! The fact that State ownership in the past has been mismanaged by muppets doesn`t mean it "has" to be mismanaged !!!
Ah! so we're on the same side then
Sex God
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Haha.. slow connection tonight! :thumbup:
Courtesy of the French telephone system - state owned and crap
Quote by Theladyisaminx
So we are pulling out of Iraq, about time, as long as we do not leave it in a bigger mess than when we pull the place apart.
As for paying, yes we are going to be paying for Cash Gordon's hand outs for decades... and we have only just paid for WW2.
Travis
And we were well and truely stitched up there!
I wonder who it was that stitched us up
Could it be the same country that started the banking problems? hummmm I wonder!
I could just be becomming cynical in my older age!
Minxy not being rude but.. you really need to understand the history of it.
Without America's money in the second World War, we would now be under German rule...GNV would no doubt say we already are.
You do not get something for nothing in this world. Without the Americans AND their money, God knows where we would be now. Not discussing it on a swingers site for sure.
I am not a lover of the Yanks but, they saved our bacon then, and no doubt will save our bacon now, because when their economy strenghtens, then we always follow suit, never the other way round.
