After writing this as a post on another thread I decided to start a new one as it question the meaning of hypocrisy as it is seem riff in society generally. I believe many get catch up within many concepts of the structure of life and seem hypocrites.
Does hypocrisy rule here in many ways about the meaning of marriage which is a rule laid down by the church.
I know people here including myself that are married yet met others for sex. Yet some wouldn't say Gay marriage within the church should not be made legal but believe in a civil ceremony between gay people.
If you believe in the rules the church lay down, you can’t believe in one part and not another. Picking out the bits that suits you.
The same can be said for gay people that want to be married in a church a place that sees gay relationships as an abomination.
Or the church refusing gay marriages yet evidence has clearly shown it doesn't practice what it preaches.
I believe in humanity, democracy and the law. People should have the right to choose who they marry and how they conduct their lives. I am hoping that is what Cameron might believe in standing up to hypocrisy and something he believes in. Even though he knew it wouldn’t have his parties backing but was backed by an outstanding majority of votes in the commons by the people elected to be there. Surely that is a sign of true democracy.
You either oppose the church’s rules or abide by them. To chooses a part to believe in and not other parts isn’t that hypocrisy?
You either believe in democratic system or oppose it, you can't then moan when things don't go the way you like. Isn’t that hypocrisy?
Is prejudice and hypocrisy linked?
In other words does prejudice cause hypocrisy?
Or hypocrisy cause prejudice?
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Does hypocisy have a place in modern day society?
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Too deep for me I'm afraid.
Personally I think it is time to separate Church and State. We are a diverse nation and those who follow Henry VIII version of religion are in a minority in the country.
No intelligent person can fail to recognise that science has usurped religion and consequently challenged its meaning in society. By all means allow religion of all faiths to continue in this country but a law and constitution based on a religion invented by Henry VIII is a bit outdated in my opinion.
Personally I think it is time to separate Church and State. We are a diverse nation and those who follow Henry VIII version of religion are in a minority in the country.
No intelligent person can fail to recognise that science has usurped religion and consequently challenged its meaning in society. By all means allow religion of all faiths to continue in this country but a law and constitution based on a religion invented by Henry VIII is a bit outdated in my opinion.
What legal "extras" does being married in a church grant over and above a civil ceremony? I was under the impression a civil ceremony whether straight or gay, hetero or homo offered the same legal entity to both parties. can someone put me straight on this as we were married in Las Vegas and as far as we and our solicitors are concerned we have full legal status.
To me the Church of England means jack shit and if I was a gay person I would not want to be married in such a hypocritical club where they were "forced" to have to do it.
Religion is an outmoded concept to keep the masses under control. It has served its purpose but as a society we have moved on.
To me the Church of England means jack shit and if I was a gay person I would not want to be married in such a hypocritical club where they were "forced" to have to do it.
Religion is an outmoded concept to keep the masses under control. It has served its purpose but as a society we have moved on.
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Religion is an outmoded concept to keep the masses under control. It has served its purpose but as a society we have moved on.
What religion? All of it?
It may be a bit in decline in the UK as far as church numbers go, but world wide religion seems to be on the rise according to an article I read in the New Statesman a while back.
People may not go to church on a daily or weekly basis, but I bet there is a rather large proportion of the general public that is religious.
To keep the masses in check? Maybe you were right in the 15th or 16th centuries, but now?
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Religion is an outmoded concept to keep the masses under control. It has served its purpose but as a society we have moved on.
What religion? All of it?
It may be a bit in decline in the UK as far as church numbers go, but world wide religion seems to be on the rise according to an article I read in the New Statesman a while back.
People may not go to church on a daily or weekly basis, but I bet there is a rather large proportion of the general public that is religious.
To keep the masses in check? Maybe you were right in the 15th or 16th centuries, but now?
It is still trying to keep the masses in check, hence the reason the Islamist faith "tries" to get every Muslim to conform to its version of the idyll.
It may be on the rise on other 3rd world countries, but that doesn't make any god exist.
As stated I previously stated it has had its day. People can think for themselves and don't require state religions to do it for them.
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As stated I previously stated it has had its day.
Have you any actual proof of this? As the reason I ask is that religion or should I say the following of religion is hugely on the increase world wide. How can it possibly then have ' had it's day ' ?
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People can think for themselves and don't require state religions to do it for them.
Of course people can think for themselves, but religion is a huge part of people's lives. For the record I am Church of England, but do not practice that faith. In fact I do not practice any faith, but I still think religion has a big part to play in this country, and a huge part to play throughout the world.
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Have you any actual proof of this? As the reason I ask is that religion or should I say the following of religion is hugely on the increase world wide. How can it possibly then have ' had it's day ' ?
Yes, its called science and reasoning. It replaces religion in explaining the function of the universe. Religion is the following of a faith, where one is required to believe and not question.
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People can think for themselves and don't require state religions to do it for them.
Of course people can think for themselves, but religion is a huge part of people's lives. For the record I am Church of England, but do not practice that faith. In fact I do not practice any faith, but I still think religion has a big part to play in this country, and a huge part to play throughout the world.
If you do not practice any faith how can you say you one of its followers?
Religion has no place or part to play in any society. get rid of religion and get rid of prejudices and discrimination!
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Religion has no place or part to play in any society. get rid of religion and get rid of prejudices and discrimination!
Are you really that naive to think that it is the fault of religion that there are prejudices and discrimination? They would be there a thousand years after every faith was abolished, it is part of human nature, been going on for centuries, and will continue until the end of time....religion or no religion.
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Are you really that naive to think that it is the fault of religion that there are prejudices and discrimination? They would be there a thousand years after every faith was abolished, it is part of human nature, been going on for centuries, and will continue until the end of time....religion or no religion.
in fact quite the opposite Star, I studied theology so I can see it is because of religion that there is discrimination and prejudice. Maybe you would like to read the old testament, the torah and the Koran and then make up your own mind. and it is not human nature. Children do not hold prejudices, it is not in their genes it is in their nurture.
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Maybe you would like to read the old testament, the torah and the Koran and then make up your own mind. and it is not human nature. Children do not hold prejudices, it is not in their genes it is in their nurture.
No I think I would rather read the Sun newspaper, as that will have more truth in it than the old Testament. But thanks anyway.
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Maybe you would like to read the old testament, the torah and the Koran and then make up your own mind. and it is not human nature. Children do not hold prejudices, it is not in their genes it is in their nurture.
No I think I would rather read the Sun newspaper, as that will have more truth in it than the old Testament. But thanks anyway.
So one minute you state that religion does not cause prejudices, but you refuse to actually read the documents to show that it does, then you state that you'd rather read the most prejudiced red top going...?
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So one minute you state that religion does not cause prejudices
I said prejudice would be there with or without religion, it is human nature.
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but you refuse to actually read the documents to show that it does,
What in the Old Testament? I bet you even believe in Noah and his Ark?
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then you state that you'd rather read the most prejudiced red top going...?
In preference to the first Testament which contains fables and Fairy stories, just like the Sun newspaper. Did that deduction pass you by Rogue?
'As to the root cause of prejudice and discrimination there appears to be no clear acceptance of any theory of causation. Scholars do agree, however, that prejudice and discrimination are not universals as something humans are inherently born with. There is ample evidence that prejudice and discrimination are social constructions '.
So brilliantly put :bounce:
I think you are being particularly obtuse starlight. I referenced the old testament, the koran and the torah as examples of prejudice, I wasn't citing them as examples of truth but of incitement and lies.
Did you think I was using them as a back up to my argument that religion was prejudiced? they are the sources of why religion is prejudiced!
And you are incorrect, it isn't human nature to be prejudiced. Prejudice is taught. There is no prejudicial gene.
Did you think I was using them as a back up to my argument that religion was prejudiced? they are the sources of why religion is prejudiced!
And you are incorrect, it isn't human nature to be prejudiced. Prejudice is taught. There is no prejudicial gene.
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I think you are being particularly obtuse starlight. I referenced the old testament, the koran and the torah as examples of prejudice, I wasn't citing them as examples of truth but of incitement and lies.
Did you think I was using them as a back up to my argument that religion was prejudiced? they are the sources of why religion is prejudiced!
And you are incorrect, it isn't human nature to be prejudiced. Prejudice is taught. There is no prejudicial gene.
I do not agree and neither do many other people far cleverer than me and you.
Opinions are one things, facts are something completely different.
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I think you are being particularly obtuse starlight. I referenced the old testament, the koran and the torah as examples of prejudice, I wasn't citing them as examples of truth but of incitement and lies.
Did you think I was using them as a back up to my argument that religion was prejudiced? they are the sources of why religion is prejudiced!
And you are incorrect, it isn't human nature to be prejudiced. Prejudice is taught. There is no prejudicial gene.
I do not agree and neither do many other people far cleverer than me and you.
Opinions are one things, facts are something completely different.
Like who Star? And by the way there is no one more opinionated than you are and Rogue Trader is right - you just become obtuse and defensive when you can't back your opinions up with either logic or fact. It is no crime to be wrong sometimes, no one can be right all the time. But to be constantly wrong and yet asserting you are right is a recurring feature of many of your arguments in almost all of the threads to which you contribute.
Is prejudice and hypocrisy linked?
In other words does prejudice cause hypocrisy?
Or hypocrisy cause prejudice?
To take your first statement Minx. Yes indeed they are linked especially where it concerns the a religion. Religions tend to have written statements in which they are to live their lives, how to follow their faith and what they should and should not do. Each particular part of sect of a religion takes that which they would like to adhere to and rejects that which doesn't. The prejudice within most religions is regarding the oppression of someone who doesn't follow their teachings.
This is typical of the majority of christian religions. usual follows with a Jihad/holy war etc. which of course is hypocritical of their teachings which promote love to one another except for where the "another" isn't like you (prejudice)
So prejudice and hypocrisy go hand in hand. You don't have one without the other. But it's hard to tell which is first.
Now to answer the topic question. There is no place in modern society as there is no place for any religion.
In other words does prejudice cause hypocrisy?
Or hypocrisy cause prejudice?
To take your first statement Minx. Yes indeed they are linked especially where it concerns the a religion. Religions tend to have written statements in which they are to live their lives, how to follow their faith and what they should and should not do. Each particular part of sect of a religion takes that which they would like to adhere to and rejects that which doesn't. The prejudice within most religions is regarding the oppression of someone who doesn't follow their teachings.
This is typical of the majority of christian religions. usual follows with a Jihad/holy war etc. which of course is hypocritical of their teachings which promote love to one another except for where the "another" isn't like you (prejudice)
So prejudice and hypocrisy go hand in hand. You don't have one without the other. But it's hard to tell which is first.
Now to answer the topic question. There is no place in modern society as there is no place for any religion.
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Like who Star? And by the way there is no one more opinionated than you are and Rogue Trader is right - you just become obtuse and defensive when you can't back your opinions up with either logic or fact. It is no crime to be wrong sometimes, no one can be right all the time. But to be constantly wrong and yet asserting you are right is a recurring feature of many of your arguments in almost all of the threads to which you contribute.
Yes ok TH I never show links on here that back the facts up. I then get accused of turning to the internet to back the facts up. Rogues ' opinion ' with regards to religion is based on nothing more than opinion. There are plenty of sources that say prejudice is a human thing and has sod all to do with religion at all, but as Rogue is obviously deeply non religious, he will not take any link as fact.
Religion is still needed in the world as the facts prove with regards to religion on the increase. I do not give a damn about religion as I am a non believer as well, but some people want to blame it for every ill in this world for the last 2000 years. Humans have their own faults without anything to do with religion, and prejudice is one of those human traits.
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i thought we lived in the 21st century ...............obviously not?
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Every single member of the Christian Church is a hypocrite.
There is a section in the Bible which states that if a man lies down with a man as with a woman they must be stoned (and I don't mean in a nice, munchies way). Any Christian that knows a gay man and does not stone them or at least demand that their vicar does the stoning is, be definition, a hypocrite. There are many and more occurances of rules laid down in the Bible that modern Christians conveniently 'forget' to abide by. And the same applies to many other religions - I'm not knocking the Christians alone.
It's as if THEY can pick and choose which of these (according to THEM) God-given words to ignore but WE have to abide by THEIR choices.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want ANYONE stoned for enjoying another consenting adult's body. What I want is the hypocrites to put up or (preferably) shut up.
There is a section in the Bible which states that if a man lies down with a man as with a woman they must be stoned (and I don't mean in a nice, munchies way). Any Christian that knows a gay man and does not stone them or at least demand that their vicar does the stoning is, be definition, a hypocrite. There are many and more occurances of rules laid down in the Bible that modern Christians conveniently 'forget' to abide by. And the same applies to many other religions - I'm not knocking the Christians alone.
It's as if THEY can pick and choose which of these (according to THEM) God-given words to ignore but WE have to abide by THEIR choices.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want ANYONE stoned for enjoying another consenting adult's body. What I want is the hypocrites to put up or (preferably) shut up.
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Rogues ' opinion ' with regards to religion is based on nothing more than opinion. There are plenty of sources that say prejudice is a human thing and has sod all to do with religion at all, but as Rogue is obviously deeply non religious, he will not take any link as fact.
What complete and utter tosh.
You're own quote, referenced from where we do not know, stated that prejudice is most likely to be a human construct. Which you then agreed with prior to that you had disagreed with it. Make up your mind.
i thought we lived in the 21st century ...............obviously not?
Some of us do!
