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Quote by browning
Now comes the hard part..........
You mean keeping the Yanks out ;-)
Sex God
Quote by browning
Now comes the hard part..........
Would you care to elaborate? Seems a tad cryptic even for this forum!
I, personally, hope that meaningful elections follow. But I am sure this will be a difficult transitional period.
Quote by noladreams
Now comes the hard part..........
Would you care to elaborate? Seems a tad cryptic even for this forum!
I, personally, hope that meaningful elections follow. But I am sure this will be a difficult transitional period.
I think I understand what browning is saying. The easy part was removing Mubarak from power particularly as he only continued in power at the will of of the military council. That will passed an interesting test in the past two weeks; the military seemed to favour the popular movement on the streets of Cairo to remove Mubarak and not to confront the population. This leaves the military council in a strong position - indeed, a stronger position than they held before as they now seemingly have the population behind them but to expect that entirely fair and free elections will follow, as expected by the Egyptians and demanded by the west, may be considered premature.
The hard part will be re-establishing the rule of law (given the widespread corruption of the Egyptian Police). There is a great fear amongst Egypt's neighbours about the strength of Muslim influence and how that might impact on other states in the middle east.
Sometimes, it's just better the devil you know.
Sex God
Quote by browning
Now comes the hard part..........
You mean keeping the Yanks out ;-)
They are already well involved.......
The hard part is going from a dictatorship to a democracy, let's just hope civil war does not follow.
what you mean a little like over here!
we democratically elect a government then every one who didn`t get who they voted for wants to riot :doh:
Sex God
I would imagine, true democracy, if it is coming to them at all, is still many many years away
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
Sex God
Egypt.
An OAP friend lives in Cairo and having just popped back to UK for a few weeks last night has given a slightly different slant on the last 3-4 weeks.
Yes there was a demo in the main square and although only circa 2 miles from where she lives the only difference to daily life were the curfew and the strikes, which sort of restricted shopping, trips to market, etc.
Since Mubarak has left, then the square has been cleared and refurbished, now much more pleasant and tidy than before the uprising.
Living amongst local friends and their families life carried on pretty much as normal, and what she was seeing via CNN and other satellite TV news didn't seem to reflect life away from the square.
Quite an interesting perspective from an ex-pat who lives there most of the year and is going back.
An OAP friend lives in Cairo and having just popped back to UK for a few weeks last night has given a slightly different slant on the last 3-4 weeks.
Yes there was a demo in the main square and although only circa 2 miles from where she lives the only difference to daily life were the curfew and the strikes, which sort of restricted shopping, trips to market, etc.
Since Mubarak has left, then the square has been cleared and refurbished, now much more pleasant and tidy than before the uprising.
Living amongst local friends and their families life carried on pretty much as normal, and what she was seeing via CNN and other satellite TV news didn't seem to reflect life away from the square.
Quite an interesting perspective from an ex-pat who lives there most of the year and is going back.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
i sat here reading the forum posts on the ever changing picture in the middle-east and was going to write down my thoughts till i read this one,almost everything thats been running through my mind since this started is summed up question keep asking myself though is...what are the americans up to this time?
Quote by Ceasar103
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
i sat here reading the forum posts on the ever changing picture in the middle-east and was going to write down my thoughts till i read this one,almost everything thats been running through my mind since this started is summed up question keep asking myself though is...what are the americans up to this time?what there up to is creating chaos that will on the one hand drive up the price of oil, which wall street and the banks have a vested interest in, so does the american government by inflating away their debt and on the other, give israel a cover for a suprise attack on irans nuclear facilities (possibly/probably).
the ruling elite of the planet can then offer their solution to the chaos they created. one world currency and one world government.
Sex God
Quote by gulsonroad30664
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
i sat here reading the forum posts on the ever changing picture in the middle-east and was going to write down my thoughts till i read this one,almost everything thats been running through my mind since this started is summed up question keep asking myself though is...what are the americans up to this time?what there up to is creating chaos that will on the one hand drive up the price of oil, which wall street and the banks have a vested interest in, so does the american government by inflating away their debt and on the other, give israel a cover for a suprise attack on irans nuclear facilities (possibly/probably).
the ruling elite of the planet can then offer their solution to the chaos they created. one world currency and one world government.
Strangely enough there was an American economist suggesting that very thing on Newsnight last night. Then Newsnight did a bit on the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, 6 years later. The President that was deposed by the people back then is back in power now and the people who had such high hopes of change are now resigned to the fact that some things will never change.
John
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Quote by Geordiecpl2001
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
snip one world currency and one world government.
Strangely enough there was an American economist suggesting that very thing on Newsnight last night. Then Newsnight did a bit on the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, 6 years later. The President that was deposed by the people back then is back in power now and the people who had such high hopes of change are now resigned to the fact that some things will never change.
John
i think people forget religion will prevent this from happening
Quote by gulsonroad30664
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
i sat here reading the forum posts on the ever changing picture in the middle-east and was going to write down my thoughts till i read this one,almost everything thats been running through my mind since this started is summed up question keep asking myself though is...what are the americans up to this time?what there up to is creating chaos that will on the one hand drive up the price of oil, which wall street and the banks have a vested interest in, so does the american government by inflating away their debt and on the other, give israel a cover for a suprise attack on irans nuclear facilities (possibly/probably).
the ruling elite of the planet can then offer their solution to the chaos they created. one world currency and one world government.
Shame it won't be the USA and the dollar :censored:
Quote by Lizaleanrob
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
snip one world currency and one world government.
Strangely enough there was an American economist suggesting that very thing on Newsnight last night. Then Newsnight did a bit on the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, 6 years later. The President that was deposed by the people back then is back in power now and the people who had such high hopes of change are now resigned to the fact that some things will never change.
John
i think people forget religion will prevent this from happening
The only really interesting thing about the recent North Africa/Middle East upheaval is that it has been led by the youth. The under 30s make up roughly 60% of the population of these countries.
They have been the benficiaries of a far more rounded education than their fathers and this of course is incompatible with unswerving doctrines in the teachings of Mohammed. The genie is out of the bottle.
I have no idea where they are headed but I doubt that they care much about democracy or "Freedom". I think they are looking for the ability to carry on their lives, start businesses, discuss ideas, consort with whom they wish, all without interference or fear of authority, be it religious or secular.
The chances of the Muslim Brotherhood et al coming to power on a wave of enthusiasm of a bunch of 30 somethings is frankly pie in the sky. But equally I doubt that they are looking to the West for role models either.
I suspect that we are in for a period of prolonged turbulence whilst they work out exactly what they want, but the old guard won't have much of a say. The soldiers are after all under 30 and they sympathise with their mates
Sex God
Quote by SinSi
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
snip one world currency and one world government.
snip
John
i think people forget religion will prevent this from happening
The only really interesting thing about the recent North Africa/Middle East upheaval is that it has been led by the youth. The under 30s make up roughly 60% of the population of these countries.
They have been the benficiaries of a far more rounded education than their fathers and this of course is incompatible with unswerving doctrines in the teachings of Mohammed. The genie is out of the bottle.
I have no idea where they are headed but I doubt that they care much about democracy or "Freedom". I think they are looking for the ability to carry on their lives, start businesses, discuss ideas, consort with whom they wish, all without interference or fear of authority, be it religious or secular.
The chances of the Muslim Brotherhood et al coming to power on a wave of enthusiasm of a bunch of 30 somethings is frankly pie in the sky. But equally I doubt that they are looking to the West for role models either.
I suspect that we are in for a period of prolonged turbulence whilst they work out exactly what they want, but the old guard won't have much of a say. The soldiers are after all under 30 and they sympathise with their mates
we have only to look towards Ireland as a whole ,former Yugoslavia etc etc to see that for this one world order guls and a few others talk about is a far more complicated issue than just money,food or control
in 2000 years of history religion has caused and will continue to cause more wars than any other given subject
the riots we are seeing are just a natural progression of discontentment with dictatorship no different to the demise of the soviet union a few years back (USSR)
who are believed to be sitting on some of the worlds largest oil fields no us intervention there
Sex God
The problem with the religion thing is that the Egyptian protesters were made up of both coptic christian and muslim people ,religion played no part in the demonstrations the connecting factor was a will to remove Mubarak
Sex God
And the problem with the one world order idea is that it would require the rich and powerful to co-operate....they don't and wont, why would they share power when they want it all for themselves?
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
The problem with the religion thing is that the Egyptian protesters were made up of both coptic christian and muslim people ,religion played no part in the demonstrations the connecting factor was a will to remove Mubarak
i don't think anyone suggested that they was Muslim or Christian
it was a just a question i posed to the conspiracy theorist`s, as to how much more or a problem this would be,and not just a simple case of... own all the money and food and new world order is a done type jobby
Sex God
Quote by john469
And the problem with the one world order idea is that it would require the rich and powerful to co-operate....they don't and wont, why would they share power when they want it all for themselves?
Lee, do you not think the likes of Rockefeller want a one world order?
Or are you saying they prefer to go alone, and "keep it for themselves"?
I think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that any of the super rich super powerful families/organisations would quite happily see any or all of the others in the gutter,they exist on a diet of hubris they are greedy and do not readily share anything....do they want a 'one world order'? probably, but only on their own individual terms and I strongly doubt that any of the usual suspects are ready to settle for someone else's terms or compromise their own
Oh and by the way...... you are fucking kidding aren't you ?? aren't you !!!!
Sex God
Sex God
Quote by john469
And the problem with the one world order idea is that it would require the rich and powerful to co-operate....they don't and wont, why would they share power when they want it all for themselves?
Lee, do you not think the likes of Rockefeller want a one world order?
Or are you saying they prefer to go alone, and "keep it for themselves"?
I think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that any of the super rich super powerful families/organisations would quite happily see any or all of the others in the gutter,they exist on a diet of hubris they are greedy and do not readily share anything....do they want a 'one world order'? probably, but only on their own individual terms and I strongly doubt that any of the usual suspects are ready to settle for someone else's terms or compromise their own
Oh and by the way...... you are fucking kidding aren't you ?? aren't you !!!!
Kidding, about what mate?
You really believe that there is a centuries old plot to unite the world under a satanic rule ??
You really believe that the quotes used to demonstrate this (and they are the same quotes repeated all over the net) demonstrate something other than a commonality of language ??
You really believe that the powers of which you speak would upset the the status quo and risk losing everything for the sake of some mystical bloodline ??
Sex God
Quote by john469
You really believe that there is a centuries old plot to unite the world under a satanic rule ??
You really believe that the quotes used to demonstrate this (and they are the same quotes repeated all over the net) demonstrate something other than a commonality of language ??
You really believe that the powers of which you speak would upset the the status quo and risk losing everything for the sake of some mystical bloodline ??
So Lee, ignoring your fallacious bon mot, tell me:
Which quotes?
From me?
Show me where mate?
Please, tell me "of whom I speak"?
Then, please reveal upon 'what' you base your crap implication that I have ever linked to the site you posted above.
There is/was no implication that you linked to the site I did ....you mentioned the one/new world theory I merely linked to a site that explained it,there are many many like it,now if you were speaking of some other one/new world order please let me know
The quotes... most are here...most are unconnected other than the phrases used...as I say they demonstrate nothing other than a commonality of language
...I quite liked this one
Would this be the speech you were talking about above ??Seems he's rather against what's happening...seems bit silly of them to spend all those years engineering immigration policy to have it blow up in their faces doesn't it ?But then again I've always said that i.q. points are merely a measure of how well you do on an i.q. test
Sex God
Quote by john469
LOL, Holy shit, its all coming out now!!1
Latest gambit from The Colonel himself, on Mar. 7, 2011:
As planned by his handlers at NM Rothschild all along, Qaddafi Warns France:
If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"
fuck me these rich boys are thick all Qaddafi had to do was hand out the swine/bird flu jab to those that opposed him and job done really :doh:
Sex God
Apparently they were planting them in Fife....the packet of tissues next to the corpse was the giveaway I'm told
Sex God
Quote by john469
Apparently they were planting them in Fife....the packet of tissues next to the corpse was the giveaway I'm told
hey lee,
since you linked to a site that referenced Zbigniews CFR speech...
... why don't ya tell us who runs the CFR?
Give us all the names, braniac ;)
You can do that, right?
I'm sure you'd love to educate us all John so I'll leave it to you
Disproving your theory is a bit like trying to disprove Russels teapot,or the invisible pink unicorn,I cannot prove a negative.
Now if you'd like to actually address some of the points I've made I'll be happy to continue.
Shall we start with the nature of the one/new world order theory you referred to ??
P.S. just so there's no misunderstanding....I can't name them.I'm no 'braniac' as you say I have a secondary school education...now as you're so clever prove your point...I suspect you can't or wont
Sex God
Quote by john469
I'm sure you'd love to educate us all John so I'll leave it to you
Disproving your theory is a bit like trying to disprove Russels teapot,or the invisible pink unicorn,I cannot prove a negative.
Now if you'd like to actually address some of the points I've made I'll be happy to continue.
Shall we start with the nature of the one/new world order theory you referred to ??
A negative?
Yes a negative
Now would you like to continue to avoid anything I've said or would you actually like to give us poor uneducated mortals an answer....so this new world order you speak of what is it's fundamental nature??where does it originate?? what are it's aims...does it in fact differ in any way from that described in the link I supplied?
Crossed in posting....so here we go.... will that do ??
Now avoiding questions ???
Sex God
Oh perplexed by contradictions?? just curious as to why you view them as evidence for your theory ??
the converse would seem to be a more rational conclusion
the converse would seem to be a more rational conclusion
Sex God
Quote by john469
Yes a negative
Now would you like to continue to avoid anything I've said or would you actually like to give us poor uneducated mortals an answer....so this new world order you speak of what is it's fundamental nature??where does it originate?? what are it's aims...does it in fact differ in any way from that described in the link I supplied?
Crossed in posting....so here we go.... will that do ??
Now avoiding questions ???
What form does your link assert the NWO as assuming? I presume you have read these links that YOU are providing, thus can answer this question?
You tell me what they say, that way I can tell you if I "differ in any way from that described in the link you supplied?"
Unless you seriously expect me to trawl through a website I have no prior knowledge of, to ascertain its ideological, political position? An absurd proposition if ever there was one.
Oh and, no, whilst the site might list names (from twenty years ago) of CFR members, it only give a list of names, which is great, but doesn't tell anyone what those names have in common. That is the money shot NOBODY on Prison Planet wants to touch. Indeed, you would get banned for posting what I know, over there. At least David Icke's board has the balls to showcase a far larger degree of free speech in this regard.
If you'd like to see, let me know and I'll link a better website; one that lists all the players, their names, photos and shared common background, all in one concise article.
Don't bother john it will be more bollocks, I will raise more points, you will avoid them and spout some more quasi religious shite, and in the end I'll get bored and piss myself laughing at you (again)....instead of just reading this stuff try thinking about it and applying some kind of critical analysis
In edit.....And btw David Icke ???!!!...nuff said