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So the search is on to find a replacement for Fabio Capello with the Football Association meeting on Friday to discuss a successor, with a preference for an "English or British" manager.
Let's hope the FA have learnt from previous appointments and it's not going to be another £14,000 per day dis-appointment Manager as English supporters expected a corresponding excellence. Only on rare occasions during Capello's reign did they get it.
Whilst we've all ready the separate threads on Bankers Pay, etc. I'd certainly expect something a whole lot better than the £6m per year Capello was on or the millions paid to his predecessor, Sven-Goran Eriksson. Put's Hester's RBS per year salay to shame and into perspective (http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/404395.html)
But today the BBC sports page (football) is saying he was one if not the most successfull manager England ever had ? dont shoot the messenger thats what the beeb are saying

"Vote Beckham for England Manager" because he has some really nice smelling aftershaves and can supply the team with some very pretty sarrongs in the England colours lol not to forget the most important thing, Posh says you have to so there <stamps feet>
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But today the BBC sports page (football) is saying he was one if not the most successfull manager England ever had ? dont shoot the messenger thats what the beeb are saying

well that says very little about the previous bunch of no hopers does it? :thumbup:
the england manager should be english, not british or foreign, but english. even an ex england manager has said so this very morning.
harry rednap has to be the obvius choice, but harry would do well to remember the treatment of past english managers when things went a bit wrong.
the jt debacle is a nightmare for english football with a major tournament coming up. no manager and no captain. the FA have as usual done the wrong things and they and they alone are responsible for this total mess.
i would love everyone to teech the FA a lesson and turn the job down, until those old fashined suit and tie monkeys at lancaster gate quit.
remember harry old boy. it is a long way to fall from grace once it starts to go wrong :thumbup:
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the jt debacle is a nightmare for english football with a major tournament coming up. no manager and no captain. the FA have as usual done the wrong things and they and they alone are responsible for this total mess.
i would love everyone to teech the FA a lesson and turn the job down, until those old fashined suit and tie monkeys at lancaster gate quit.

Lancaster Gate ??
Thought they'd re-located to Wembley itself, they certainly think they have

Wembley Stadium
PO Box 1966
London
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Granted they did move from Lancaster Gate in 2000 to Soho Square until 2009, so do keep up Star
As for 'suits'
Chairman: David Bernstein
General Secretary: Alex Horne
Vice-Chairmen: Sir Dave Richards (Premier League Chairman)‡ and Roger Burden (Gloucestershire FA)
Other Members:
Phil Gartside (Bolton Wanderers Chairman)
David Gill (Manchester United Chief Executive)
Barry Bright (Kent FA)
Mervyn Leggett (Worcestershire FA)
Michael Game (Essex FA)
John Ward (Hampshire FA)
Anthony Kleanthous (Barnet Chairman)
Keith Lamb (Middlesbrough Non-Executive Director)
Hardly think Bernstein as ex-boss of Man City counts as a suit either
IMH think JT was foolishly advised to have his trial date put back, most people would of wanted it over and done with rather than waiting, so what did he expect the 'suits' to do over the captaincy
:doh:
Lets see if things will improve
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Lancaster Gate ??
Thought they'd re-located to Wembley itself, they certainly think they have

Wembley Stadium
PO Box 1966
London
SW1P 9EQ
Granted they did move from Lancaster Gate in 2000 to Soho Square until 2009, so do keep up Star

ah thanks for the nod on that one hns. just goes to show how much notice i take of these so called heads of the football association, and where there current address is.
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As for 'suits'
Chairman: David Bernstein
General Secretary: Alex Horne
Vice-Chairmen: Sir Dave Richards (Premier League Chairman)‡ and Roger Burden (Gloucestershire FA)
Other Members:
Phil Gartside (Bolton Wanderers Chairman)
David Gill (Manchester United Chief Executive)
Barry Bright (Kent FA)
Mervyn Leggett (Worcestershire FA)
Michael Game (Essex FA)
John Ward (Hampshire FA)
Anthony Kleanthous (Barnet Chairman)
Keith Lamb (Middlesbrough Non-Executive Director)
Hardly think Bernstein as ex-boss of Man City counts as a suit either

once again thanks for the up hns ( you have to much time on your hands lol ) i struggle to think of anything constructive that the FA have done for grass roots football for yeers. also let us not forget that the FA appointed capello who reely turned out to be an embarrassment. remember the last world cup debacle? probably the worst tounament in living memory from an england team, plus his english is no better than when he arrived. so maybe he was not that bothered dunno bet he was about the 6 million quid per yeer though.
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IMH think JT was foolishly advised to have his trial date put back, most people would of wanted it over and done with rather than waiting, so what did he expect the 'suits' to do over the captaincy
:doh:

was jt advised :dunno: i mean can a lawyer ask a magistrate to put a case off just because he is a footballer taking part in a big tournament :dunno:
it could have worked the other way had his case been heard before. had he been found guilty as an example they would have banned him so he would not be playing in what is probably his last tournament anyway.
as another example say he would have been found not guilty. i am sure ( not ) that rio etc would have been fine with that. the whole episode is a nightmare now. the two players could have been made by there clubs and the fa to sort it out privately, and it could have all been done by now. instead we now have no captain and no manager. the manager was made to look a fool by the FA by not keeping him informed until after jt was sacked as captain. a great way to behave. yet funnily enough the fa were quick to ask capello when it suited them over the bridge affair to deal with it which he did, by stripping him publically of the captains arm band.
time will tell but for me the most important point here is that this is the uk, where you are innocent until proven guilty, but in jt's case many have him down as a guilty racist even before any trial. seems the fa can be counted amongst these peeple as well, and they deserve all they get in this summers tournament.
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Lets see if things will improve

i would not hold your breath on that point
starlightcouple
was jt advised dunno i mean can a lawyer ask a magistrate to put a case off just because he is a footballer taking part in a big tournament :dunno:
it could have worked the other way had his case been heard before. had he been found guilty as an example they would have banned him so he would not be playing in what is probably his last tournament anyway.
as another example say he would have been found not guilty. i am sure ( not ) that rio etc would have been fine with that. the whole episode is a nightmare now. the two players could have been made by there clubs and the fa to sort it out privately, and it could have all been done by now. instead we now have no captain and no manager. the manager was made to look a fool by the FA by not keeping him informed until after jt was sacked as captain. a great way to behave. yet funnily enough the fa were quick to ask capello when it suited them over the bridge affair to deal with it which he did, by stripping him publically of the captains arm band.
time will tell but for me the most important point here is that this is the uk, where you are innocent until proven guilty, but in jt's case many have him down as a guilty racist even before any trial. seems the fa can be counted amongst these peeple as well, and they deserve all they get in this summers tournament.
i would not hold your breath on that point

Certainly not holding breath, tbh never actually seen them win a game in years.
probably his last tournament anyway
think the last one should of been his last tournament, along with several others of the same age group as they are obviously past their prime at international level, or for those who are not they aren't stepping up to the mark on the pitch and leading, supporting, encouraging, etc. the newer players coming into the squad.
innocent until proven guilty
long standing tenent of English Law, however fully support the FA n this one that having a long club season and then a major (probably final) tournament with the court case is a distraction at the very least, just consider the comments from the Portsmouth cases over the last few months, and has to compromise the persons mental attitude and therefore performance - think the South Africa 'trip' proved that to everyone the other year.
Also imagine the amount of 'sledging' as the criketers call it, he'll be getting on the pitch as well, so one less responsibility / pressure on any player towards the end of their career when they need to improve on their past tournament performance.
I am going to put my self forward for this job, I know nothing about football, so I reckon I should be good, as none of the others seem to make a good job of it !! lol :lol:
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the jt debacle is a nightmare for english football with a major tournament coming up. no manager and no captain. the FA have as usual done the wrong things and they and they alone are responsible for this total mess.

I strongly disagree with you on this.
I think, for once, the FA have got it all absolutely right.
Whilst I agree that there is a certain degree of the manager (Capello) being undermined by the FA in removing John Terry as captain, I think the decision to strip Terry of the captain's armband is the correct one.
The FA had recently given an 8 match ban to Luis Suarez for a racism related incident, so to have the captain of the England team sitting with a racist related court case, meant that to continue with Terry would have been madness.
I completely agree that a person is innocent until proven guilty, and that is the way it should be, but the Terry case is now a matter for the courts, and should be dealt with as such. But, with a European championships on the horizon, the FA would be facing the position that in any press conference, the media would quickly turn the questions round from the match they are there to report, to questions of the impending court case. This would be a huge distraction to the team and it's preparations, and would heap unwelcome pressure on John Terry.
As a result of this, any bad performances would quickly be marked up as tensions within the camp, and all through this, regardless of the legal situation, it would be said that the FA are turning a blind eye to Terry, due to him being English, whilst punishing Suarez.
I admire Capello for having the principled enough to walk away, although having been on a £6m a year contract, and having already declared his intention to quit as manager at the end of Euro 2012, it wasn't that hard a decision to make.
As for the FA having to replace him, they knew it was happening, it is now happening sooner than later. Nothing has changed.
I actually think John Terry has a lot to answer for. Any decent prinicipled person, would of stepped down from his position, as soon as charged, until he was proved innocent or guilty. This has happened recently to the energy minister, who declares his innocence, but has resigned from his cabinet position, until it is cleared up.
I think in this case the FA have taken the right decision. Maybe they could of included Cappello in those discussions. However there could of only been the one result.
Redknapp is quite obviously the choice.....the people and press want him.....the players want him.....and so the outcry if it wasn't him, would be to much. However I do mark caution, as in the end its the players that go on the field and play..or not as the case may be. I think most of us would of picked the same team as Cappello in South Africa. It was the players that let him down. Someone mentioned Beckham earlier in the thread. For all his modelling and other pursuits, the one thing you always got from Beckham was 100% effort. He wanted to play for England and you could see that every minute he was on that pitch. You could see how proud he was to wear the three lions on his chest. If only we can have another 11 players that would run through walls for england, like he did. We can but dream !!!
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Any decent prinicipled person

Which Terry isn't, far from it.
thats all well and good and very informative, but what about Beckham and his aftershaves ?
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I actually think John Terry has a lot to answer for. Any decent prinicipled person, would of stepped down from his position, as soon as charged, until he was proved innocent or guilty. This has happened recently to the energy minister, who declares his innocence, but has resigned from his cabinet position, until it is cleared up.

Sorry to be pedantic dean, but his resignation is absolute. It's not as though he is taking a brief sojourn from his post as a Minister until the matter is cleared up.
In other respects though, you are correct. It was the right thing for him to have done given the circumstances. If he is eventually cleared and invited back into Government, that will be at the gift of the PM, not by right.
The maxim 'innocent until proven guilty' should not be confused with the rights and wrongs of what it is a person accused decides to do in response to a claim of impropriety of some description or another.
From the supposedly lowly position of a common place cleaner to the dizzy heights of high office, there is no difference in the basic principle. It is for the accused to decide whether their position becomes so untenable that resignation is deemed their only course of action but it is also quite acceptable and a well founded principle that an employer can remove the person from their post temporarily (garden leave, suspension on full pay etc) until the matter is resolved without accusations of 'constructive dismissal' being levied against them as it might if the employer took precipitate action forcing the issue.
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I actually think John Terry has a lot to answer for.

do you indeed rolleyes
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Any decent prinicipled person, would of stepped down from his position, as soon as charged, until he was proved innocent or guilty. This has happened recently to the energy minister, who declares his innocence, but has resigned from his cabinet position, until it is cleared up.

his cabinet position eh? and his MP position? come on then dean why do YOU think he should then be allowed to continue to represent his constituents even though he may well be guilty of a serious charge? are you reely saying that one does not go hand in hand with the other?
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I think in this case the FA have taken the right decision. Maybe they could of included Cappello in those discussions. However there could of only been the one result.

one result? why? has jt been found guilty of anything at all dean? what nothing at all dean? not a sausage dean? ah right. i hope that you dean are not put in this situation at any time in your life. imagine working for a company for yeers and another worker acused you of theft as an example. the police then charge you on the say so of this co worker, and then your firm suspend you. or in jt's case you could have been say a manager at that firm and the firm then decided to no longer make you a manager, but give you a little desk job. imagine the humiliation dean. all done on thew say so of a fellow worker. blimey dean you have not even set one foot in court and everyone has you down as a thief. think this has never happened? i bet it has and many times. just sit back and think what you write at times dean, and then after the comments above, fancy being in that position? guilty without trial? and your fellow workers agreeing with your companys decision. i am sure that some would be very happy with that outcome. yeah right.
the fa do what the fa do so well, bottle it when the going gets to tough for them. they always have.
they decided what was the outcome for them and there own necksif jt was indeed found guilty and they allowed him to remain as captain. the media and the public would be screaming that they to are secret racists for allowing jt to still be captain. instead of having the guts to say, hold on a minute jt has been charged but is still not guilty and we will only act as and when a court decide his guilt. oh no they took the cowards way out and threw jt to the lions. for once capelo did the decent thing and knew that the treetment of jt was simply to save the fa's own skin. typical now of brits who try everything to escape the blame game.
how can the fa strip him of being englands captain and yet even though he is still facing very serius racism charges, then be allowed to put the england shirt on and represent his country at the euros? surely he should be stopped from playing for his country period???? why not??
the only reeson jt has not told the fa to stick there comments up their own self inflated arses is that he loves his country. he loves what he does. shame everyone did not have that same love for there country eh?
if i could give jt any advice i would have told him to tell them to stick it. and stick it as far up there areses as it can possibly go :twisted:
the simple answer is Star...if John Terry had done the honourable thing and stepped down...until he feels he can clear his name, then none of this would of happened. Also the modern media world being as it is, most of us have seen the clip of John Terry shouting his racist comment at Anton Ferdinand. I am no lip reader, but it is quite obviuos what was said. I stand by my comments, if you are in a posiytion of responsability, you should step down. Or as in this case you would be relieved of your duties.
However looking at the front page of The Sun today you wonder why anyone would bother to take the England job anyway. Pearce is given the caretaker managers role for one game....and a 18 year old news story is blasted across the front pages. A situation that was resolved, and an apology accepted. This is exactly why people would think twice about taking the position. Why after one day does this rag of a newspaper scrape the barrel with a story like this. I hope in the same way as circulation dropped by two thirds on merseyside when they published lies about Liverpool supporters back in the 80's.....then we all see this paper for the excuse for tiolet paper it is and stop buying it. Another news international paper that deserves to be binned.
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the simple answer is Star...if John Terry had done the honourable thing and stepped down...until he feels he can clear his name, then none of this would of happened.

clear his name from what dean? has he been found guilty yet? was that a yes there dean?
honorable thing dean? from a football player about to play his last major tournament for his country dean? to step down on the allegedsay so of one other person dean?
is that how honourable things are done then dean? :doh:
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Also the modern media world being as it is, most of us have seen the clip of John Terry shouting his racist comment at Anton Ferdinand. I am no lip reader, but it is quite obviuos what was said.

i take you to the bit in bold dean. we shall see if it is that obviuous to the jury then dean eh? seeing as you seem to think it is so obvious, get in contact with the court and give your expert opinion dean innocent
a bit of a silly statement if you dont mind me saying dean smackbottom
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I stand by my comments, if you are in a posiytion of responsability, you should step down. Or as in this case you would be relieved of your duties.

i see you have taken a good sideways step about answering any of my questions to you dean. nice one :thumbup: it has been noted dean. :confused:
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However looking at the front page of The Sun today you wonder why anyone would bother to take the England job anyway. Pearce is given the caretaker managers role for one game....and a 18 year old news story is blasted across the front pages. A situation that was resolved, and an apology accepted. This is exactly why people would think twice about taking the position. Why after one day does this rag of a newspaper scrape the barrel with a story like this. I hope in the same way as circulation dropped by two thirds on merseyside when they published lies about Liverpool supporters back in the 80's.....then we all see this paper for the excuse for tiolet paper it is and stop buying it. Another news international paper that deserves to be binned.

you cannot see the relevance at all there then dean? rotflmao:rotflmao:
suaez said sorry to dean, but that did not seem to matter dean. he still got an 8 match ban dean. and pearce got exactly dean? now mr pearce is being offered the england managers job? oh the hypocrisy dean blink:blink:
most others can unless of course you dont want to see the relevance and that is where a lot of the problems stem from.
in reply...step down from the captaincy so as to clear his name...(and you say of what ???)...the charge of racial abuse that he has to go to court for...thats what !!!!!Seems quite obvious to me !!! remember when Dave Jones was accused of child abuse. He resigned his position as Southampton manager..in the premiership at the time....and fought and cleared his name. He was then free to ( as he has done ) take back up his career as a football manager. A man with honour that most respect as such. John Terry as can be seen from Essex's link has caused England more than his fair share of trouble. In this case, he has lost the Manager his job. Any one with ounce of honour would have stepped down, until they had cleared their name of charges brought.
Also you asked about what I would do if someone falsely accused me at work of doing something. Well all depends if i was charged by the police. If I was charged by the police of racially abuseing someone at work, I would be suspended from my position without delay, pending the outcome of the case. Think this is what most companies would do. Normal practise....ask any HR department.
And... no I'm not a lip reader...but if you have seen the clip...you tell me what else you think he was saying then !!!!!!! I think his defense will be, that it was a comment in the heat of the moment. It will indeed be up to a jury to then decide if that is racial abuse or not.
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in reply...step down from the captaincy so as to clear his name...(and you say of what ???)...the charge of racial abuse that he has to go to court for...thats what !!!!!Seems quite obvious to me !!! remember when Dave Jones was accused of child abuse. He resigned his position as Southampton manager..in the premiership at the time....and fought and cleared his name. He was then free to ( as he has done ) take back up his career as a football manager. A man with honour that most respect as such. John Terry as can be seen from Essex's link has caused England more than his fair share of trouble. In this case, he has lost the Manager his job. Any one with ounce of honour would have stepped down, until they had cleared their name of charges brought.

i think dean comparing an ex football player whose career has finished in the playing sense, to someone who is only a few months away from playing possibly his last game for his country, is completly different as you well know dean.
if jt steps down as you would like him to, and then he goes to the euros and comes back and cleers his name and the fa decide to replace him as captain purely because at 33 they want someone younger, is that ok then for jt dean?
why would he want to do that? based purely on the word of one player dean? :doh:
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Also you asked about what I would do if someone falsely accused me at work of doing something. Well all depends if i was charged by the police. If I was charged by the police of racially abuseing someone at work, I would be suspended from my position without delay, pending the outcome of the case. Think this is what most companies would do. Normal practise....ask any HR department.

nice one again dean. i asked how you would feel if other workers were looking at you as a thief, when in fact you know you have done nothing dean. taking it to another level if it was YOU that was suspended for racially abusing someone at work, when in fact you had said nothing? would you be so keen to step down dean. to do the honourable thing dean? just because one person had said you had. would you find that fare dean? as i know i would not.
i am also glad that you said most companies would dean. would they reely? i am not so sure dean.
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And... no I'm not a lip reader...but if you have seen the clip...you tell me what else you think he was saying then !!!!!!!

BLIND possibly dean??? as jt has consistantly said dean? to an untrained eye dean blind and black look the same to me dean. i shall do the right thing and make no opinions until the reel experts have given there evidence.
unlike you and the fa and others, i will leeve it up to the experts in this to make the right decision. even if jt is found not guilty dean, peeple like yourself will still have the same opinion on it.
blind can be said to mean many things dean :notes:
Star I think you just argue the toss about football and footballers. Over the months it has become more and more difficult to follow and understand your points as logic seems to be really lacking.
For once, the FA have acted in the right way by removing John Terry from the spotlight for the greater good of the England team. Terry could not see the potential for disruption himself so the FA took the decision for him. If you can't understand why they had to do that for the greater good of the team then you just don't understand the relationship between sport and the press and how the shadow of this trial would be used by the press at the faintest whiff of team disharmony and we just don't need another International team debacle like South Africa. This may not be fair and it may be offensive to John Terry but unfortunately life is not fair and he has a rather large bank balance and an even bigger ego to console himself with.
As far as football and footballers go I have written to Ed Milliband and asked him why he is having a go a Captains of the Industrial and Commercial for earning a good living out of creating wealth and industrial success when dick head footballers who are nothing but spoiled brats earn several million pounds a year for nothing and get the most creative tax advice available. There is a slight erring in the aim of Mr Muilliband with his daily attacks on the highly paid in a sector that is responsible for production, growth and wealth. He should target the dick head footballers who don't create, produce or encourage anything other than their own bank balances - I wonder if the myopic loony labour supporters will support that kind of ranting?
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Star I think you just argue the toss about football and footballers. Over the months it has become more and more difficult to follow and understand your points as logic seems to be really lacking.
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As far as football and footballers go I have written to Ed Milliband and asked him why he is having a go a Captains of the Industrial and Commercial for earning a good living out of creating wealth and industrial success when dick head footballers who are nothing but spoiled brats earn several million pounds a year for nothing and get the most creative tax advice available. There is a slight erring in the aim of Mr Muilliband with his daily attacks on the highly paid in a sector that is responsible for production, growth and wealth. He should target the dick head footballers who don't create, produce or encourage anything other than their own bank balances - I wonder if the myopic loony labour supporters will support that kind of ranting?

Just seen the weather forecast in hell ..... apparently it's snowing (I would suggest 'as well as' rather then 'instead of')
I've said it before and I'll say it again SNIPERS
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Star I think you just argue the toss about football and footballers. Over the months it has become more and more difficult to follow and understand your points as logic seems to be really lacking.

ok too hot i will spell it out for you my friend.
jt is innocent in my opinion. anton is rio ferdinands brother. rio dont like jt. nobody else heard jt call him anything. dont you find that a bit strange too hot?
i mean all those peeple around jt and anton and nobody heard a thing?
i can also understand the rest of your rambling. you hate football and hate footballers even more. because they earn a lot of money from in your opinion doing very little.
well have a little peep at real Madrid's current financial position. that is not achieved by playing a few games of poker my friend.
maybe i will have to simplify my points so as the logic is more apparent to you lol

just by kicking a ball about eh? innocent
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jt is innocent in my opinion. anton is rio ferdinands brother. rio dont like jt. nobody else heard jt call him anything.

loves a good conspiracy theory, seems the Director of Public Prosecutions and Police do as well, can't wait. lol
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jt is innocent in my opinion. anton is rio ferdinands brother. rio dont like jt. nobody else heard jt call him anything.

loves a good conspiracy theory, seems the Director of Public Prosecutions and Police do as well, can't wait. lol
just maybe hns, who better than the captain of england to make an example of?
i cant wait either and wonder where all the peeple who hate jt will be if he is found not guilty.
are you possibly stating that the DP and the police have never charged anyone who was not guilty hns?
corruption in the police force hns? never, honest as the driven snow. blink
as the old hollies song used to go " silence is golden " :giggle:
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jt is innocent in my opinion. anton is rio ferdinands brother. rio dont like jt. nobody else heard jt call him anything.

loves a good conspiracy theory, seems the Director of Public Prosecutions and Police do as well, can't wait. lol
just maybe hns, who better than the captain of england to make an example of?
i cant wait either and wonder where all the peeple who hate jt will be if he is found not guilty.
are you possibly stating that the DP and the police have never charged anyone who was not guilty hns?
corruption in the police force hns? never, honest as the driven snow. blink
as the old hollies song used to go " silence is golden " :giggle:
Star,
No views either way on JT dunno,
waits to hear the evidence in court - as this is a criminal case rather than an internal FA disciplinary, which may or not subsequently occur depening on the verdict, as quite rightly Crimal Law superceeds any sports own procedures relating to disciplinary matters.
DPP must believe there is sufficient evidence obtained by the Police that justifies the charge and reachs the criteria sufficient for a Criminal Court case to be heard.
As for Police corruption, sufficiently reported cases over the years, plus ongoing investigations arising from News of The World/News International which has only so far resulted in charges, but not yet anything for the Courts.
it's a simple thing to slag all off at the fa and the boss, but a simple look at stat's does clear it up a bit. any one checked them. as south africa proved, the boss can't play. it's the current players who are letting us down. when a younger team is experimented with, england play well, then we revert to the suppossed gods for big games and it all falls over again. oh i am cross. just look at what the dutch did 20-30 years ago. get the kids in. managers hands are tied by our expectations
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I actually think John Terry has a lot to answer for.

do you indeed rolleyes
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Any decent prinicipled person, would of stepped down from his position, as soon as charged, until he was proved innocent or guilty. This has happened recently to the energy minister, who declares his innocence, but has resigned from his cabinet position, until it is cleared up.

his cabinet position eh? and his MP position? come on then dean why do YOU think he should then be allowed to continue to represent his constituents even though he may well be guilty of a serious charge? are you reely saying that one does not go hand in hand with the other?
Quote by deancannock
I think in this case the FA have taken the right decision. Maybe they could of included Cappello in those discussions. However there could of only been the one result.

one result? why? has jt been found guilty of anything at all dean? what nothing at all dean? not a sausage dean? ah right. i hope that you dean are not put in this situation at any time in your life. imagine working for a company for yeers and another worker acused you of theft as an example. the police then charge you on the say so of this co worker, and then your firm suspend you. or in jt's case you could have been say a manager at that firm and the firm then decided to no longer make you a manager, but give you a little desk job. imagine the humiliation dean. all done on thew say so of a fellow worker. blimey dean you have not even set one foot in court and everyone has you down as a thief. think this has never happened? i bet it has and many times. just sit back and think what you write at times dean, and then after the comments above, fancy being in that position? guilty without trial? and your fellow workers agreeing with your companys decision. i am sure that some would be very happy with that outcome. yeah right.
the fa do what the fa do so well, bottle it when the going gets to tough for them. they always have.
they decided what was the outcome for them and there own necksif jt was indeed found guilty and they allowed him to remain as captain. the media and the public would be screaming that they to are secret racists for allowing jt to still be captain. instead of having the guts to say, hold on a minute jt has been charged but is still not guilty and we will only act as and when a court decide his guilt. oh no they took the cowards way out and threw jt to the lions. for once capelo did the decent thing and knew that the treetment of jt was simply to save the fa's own skin. typical now of brits who try everything to escape the blame game.
how can the fa strip him of being englands captain and yet even though he is still facing very serius racism charges, then be allowed to put the england shirt on and represent his country at the euros? surely he should be stopped from playing for his country period???? why not??
the only reeson jt has not told the fa to stick there comments up their own self inflated arses is that he loves his country. he loves what he does. shame everyone did not have that same love for there country eh?
if i could give jt any advice i would have told him to tell them to stick it. and stick it as far up there areses as it can possibly go :twisted:
sorry but you have to admit, he has been found not guilty of a hell of a lot. as i don't want to offend you i won't call him an arogant tosser who's "power" is on the wain. and if he loved his country, he would respect it.
Quote by HnS

jt is innocent in my opinion. anton is rio ferdinands brother. rio dont like jt. nobody else heard jt call him anything.

loves a good conspiracy theory, seems the Director of Public Prosecutions and Police do as well, can't wait. lol
jt has been innocent of a hell of a lot. roll model ?