Quote by kentswingers777
Two sides of the story....guess which one I agree with?
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Quote by Kaznkev
because to be useful as a positive example people should be able to relate.
If a teenager is feeling excluded/depressed/outcast what is wrong with saying,look this person is gay,and there life is good.
We do this all the time with our son with aspergers,highlighting that bill gates aint exactly a failure ,so he grows up with a positive view of what people with autism can achieve.
We also point out the foxy red head in pussy cat dolls had a cleft palate,but i think hes too distracted by the videos to listen.
I can't think of a worse thing to do to a young person in the position you described Kas. Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick?
Could also be seen as tokenism - great for the funding return tick boxes tho
:? :? By doing the above in reality - it could exacerbate the issues a young person are having, not resolve them. You can't set up young vulnerable people as role models. A role model is something that happens as a natural progression for most young people whether gay or an ex offender (I am not lumping both together - just giving examples) and the majority will have the right support already in place to deal with what that brings
Young (vulnerable) people can and do become excellent role models - without realising it or treated as different. The way my project did it was to celebrate young peoples achievements once a year - all fair, equal and flipping well deserved :)
As for positive discrimination - that's illegal (unless Harriet Harman's Bill went through?). Positive Action is the way to go
and more likely to happen these days.As for gay adoption - FF or MM - isn't it better to have two parents no matter what sex, that love and care about each other and have more than enough to share with a child?
Interesting thread :D
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Oh and btw I do agree this is quite possibly the most badly judged appointments in the history of badly judged appointments
Quote by kentswingers777
.... Kids to need a gay role model? Why does it have to be a gay role model?....
"I'm free....!!"
To be honest I hate that kinda stuff, as soon as you put anything 'on a float' it makes it 'different' so goes against exactly what you're trying to avoid I believe.
I actually thought this thread was going to be about Kents!
Sex God
I thought this made a quite pertinent point about the nature of equality
Quote by Kaznkev
because to be useful as a positive example people should be able to relate.
If a teenager is feeling excluded/depressed/outcast what is wrong with saying,look this person is gay,and there life is good.
We do this all the time with our son with aspergers,highlighting that bill gates aint exactly a failure ,so he grows up with a positive view of what people with autism can achieve.
We also point out the foxy red head in pussy cat dolls had a cleft palate,but i think hes too distracted by the videos to listen.
I can't think of a worse thing to do to a young person in the position you described Kas. Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick?
Could also be seen as tokenism - great for the funding return tick boxes tho
:? :? By doing the above in reality - it could exacerbate the issues a young person are having, not resolve them. You can't set up young vulnerable people as role models. A role model is something that happens as a natural progression for most young people whether gay or an ex offender (I am not lumping both together - just giving examples) and the majority will have the right support already in place to deal with what that brings
Young (vulnerable) people can and do become excellent role models - without realising it or treated as different. The way my project did it was to celebrate young peoples achievements once a year - all fair, equal and flipping well deserved :)
As for positive discrimination - that's illegal (unless Harriet Harman's Bill went through?). Positive Action is the way to go
and more likely to happen these days.As for gay adoption - FF or MM - isn't it better to have two parents no matter what sex, that love and care about each other and have more than enough to share with a child?
Interesting thread :D
i take it back to our personal is it wrong to tell our son that there are people like him who are succesful individuals?
It is not about tokenism but about a teacher being alowed to discuss with a child sensitive issues in a way which might benifit should not be banned by law from saying it is ok to be gay.
This thread was not just about clause 28 tho,May also abstained from the laws designed to give trans people equal rights,and voted against allowing gay adoption.
To those who have said here that they oppose gay people being parents,i am genuinly shocked, you are a sexual pervert by being on this step outside socities norms, you offend against the bible,you would be pilloried by the mail and express,yet presumably you dont think your children hould be taken into care.
hypocrisy does not describe your beliefs
I totally misunderstood your post I quoted judging by your 2nd post :? :? :lol:
As a parent you can tell a child whatever you choose to explain something and give examples - of course. I was thinking more of the person who is the *Role Model* I will stick by my answer to that one :lol:
In whatever scenario I still wouldn't want to see another young person highlighted as role model because they are gay. Sexuality isn't set in stone for some young people. And for figures (tick boxes) they do become the token gay young person as from my experience not many young people out themselves at School or Youth Centres for that matter.
If your talking about giving hypothetical examples - that's totally different and understand the context your coming from.
In schools I've worked in - we (Youth Workers) were there because we could talk about issues that teachers couldn't. Some schools even had their own Youth Centre in the grounds.
The conservatives brought it in and if this new minster is as you state I can't see her making necessary changes, it would be a good move politically tho
. Yet, its not about her, its about policy change (David Cameron apologised in 09 for Thatchers gov bringing it in) and one person's views shouldn't make a difference or have I know it happens Politically :? :? I'm gonna shurrup now and go to bed :? :lol:
Why does that not suprise me?
Probably all gay or transexual.
I do not agree with the principle of a child is better off with anyone as long as they get all the love and support.
In my world a child needs a loving stable relationship to be surrounded with, but with two people being a man and a woman. Of course the hip hop brigade will not agree with that but that is what I was brought up to believe, before we had all this hip hop rubbish brought in.
I do not agree with same sex partners bringing up children as I feel it will influence the child into believing that it is the norm , sorry it is not and what has being on a swingers site got to do with anything?
Shock horror.....hang that man, put him in the stocks ffs.
I for one do not have to conform to this hip hop ideal, I am still allowed be it only just, to have my opinions!!
Probably all gay or transexual.
I do not agree with the principle of a child is better off with anyone as long as they get all the love and support.
In my world a child needs a loving stable relationship to be surrounded with, but with two people being a man and a woman. Of course the hip hop brigade will not agree with that but that is what I was brought up to believe, before we had all this hip hop rubbish brought in.
I do not agree with same sex partners bringing up children as I feel it will influence the child into believing that it is the norm , sorry it is not and what has being on a swingers site got to do with anything?
Shock horror.....hang that man, put him in the stocks ffs.
I for one do not have to conform to this hip hop ideal, I am still allowed be it only just, to have my opinions!!
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Oh and btw I do agree this is quite possibly the most badly judged appointments in the history of badly judged appointments
as the appointment of tony blair as leader of the labour party you mean
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what we have in place is fine and a result of the democratic voting system we have
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Quote by anais
Seems 60,652 other people on FB think she should be sacked!! (Group: Sack New Homophobic Equality Minister)
And a petition:
is that the same intelligent community of well educated people that got 1 million supporters for an egg to show katie price she wasn`t that important :giggle:
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Quote by Kaznkev
because to be useful as a positive example people should be able to relate.
If a teenager is feeling excluded/depressed/outcast what is wrong with saying,look this person is gay,and there life is good.
We do this all the time with our son with aspergers,highlighting that bill gates aint exactly a failure ,so he grows up with a positive view of what people with autism can achieve.
We also point out the foxy red head in pussy cat dolls had a cleft palate,but i think hes too distracted by the videos to listen.
I can't think of a worse thing to do to a young person in the position you described Kas. Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick?
Could also be seen as tokenism - great for the funding return tick boxes tho
:? :? By doing the above in reality - it could exacerbate the issues a young person are having, not resolve them. You can't set up young vulnerable people as role models. A role model is something that happens as a natural progression for most young people whether gay or an ex offender (I am not lumping both together - just giving examples) and the majority will have the right support already in place to deal with what that brings
Young (vulnerable) people can and do become excellent role models - without realising it or treated as different. The way my project did it was to celebrate young peoples achievements once a year - all fair, equal and flipping well deserved :)
As for positive discrimination - that's illegal (unless Harriet Harman's Bill went through?). Positive Action is the way to go
and more likely to happen these days.As for gay adoption - FF or MM - isn't it better to have two parents no matter what sex, that love and care about each other and have more than enough to share with a child?
Interesting thread :D
i take it back to our personal is it wrong to tell our son that there are people like him who are succesful individuals?
It is not about tokenism but about a teacher being alowed to discuss with a child sensitive issues in a way which might benifit should not be banned by law from saying it is ok to be gay.
This thread was not just about clause 28 tho,May also abstained from the laws designed to give trans people equal rights,and voted against allowing gay adoption.
To those who have said here that they oppose gay people being parents,i am genuinly shocked, you are a sexual pervert by being on this step outside socities norms, you offend against the bible,you would be pilloried by the mail and express,yet presumably you dont think your children hould be taken into care.
hypocrisy does not describe your beliefs
I do not see any hypocrisy at all, It is just how I see it. Nature/evolution/god. which ever one it was thought the best way to have children was a male and female... If it had been better any other way we would all be hermaphrodites. As for stepping outside society's norm, that is a modern view of society, other races in history have thought very differently
Yes Blue I see no hypocrisy either, but we live in a mad world now.
I have made my feelings perfectly clear and to use a Facebook page as evidence of some sort.....well what can I say?
I do not like Facebook and the people who use it for their " social skills " well what can I say?
Adults who spend hours on Facebook....what can I say?
If people are going to start listening to what is written on a social networking site......well what can I say?
A comment was made on this thread regarding gay kids having gay role models in schools.
I refere you to my first paragraph above Blue.
A role model I feel is not someone who is a role model because of their sexual orientations, it is much greater than that.
It seems teachers have that outlook on many occasions, must be part of their degree....am I right? Is it a teacher?
I have made my feelings perfectly clear and to use a Facebook page as evidence of some sort.....well what can I say?
I do not like Facebook and the people who use it for their " social skills " well what can I say?
Adults who spend hours on Facebook....what can I say?
If people are going to start listening to what is written on a social networking site......well what can I say?
A comment was made on this thread regarding gay kids having gay role models in schools.
I refere you to my first paragraph above Blue.
A role model I feel is not someone who is a role model because of their sexual orientations, it is much greater than that.
It seems teachers have that outlook on many occasions, must be part of their degree....am I right? Is it a teacher?
Sexlightened
Quote by kentswingers777
Never heard of a " make " parent before.:shock:
MAKE babies is what a male and a female do, it is called evolution.
Funny how only men and women can do that.
No, it's called procreation
Your point?
Of course for every gay couple adopting a child what is the percentage comparing hetro couples?
to 1 ratio.... to 1? That is like saying a Ford focus breaks down more than a Bentley, of course it does there are more of them. There cannot be many gay couples that are parents?
So of course there will be bad hetro parents, what a silly arguement.
I found your original comment offensive in that you seem to think that gay kids need gay role models....they don't.
As for the equalities minister has anyone seen who the past ones were?
Can she really be any worse?
She voted on her principles and not what " others " say she should vote for.
IF only every politician voted on their principles we may well have a more honest Parliament.
Of course for every gay couple adopting a child what is the percentage comparing hetro couples?
to 1 ratio.... to 1? That is like saying a Ford focus breaks down more than a Bentley, of course it does there are more of them. There cannot be many gay couples that are parents?
So of course there will be bad hetro parents, what a silly arguement.
I found your original comment offensive in that you seem to think that gay kids need gay role models....they don't.
As for the equalities minister has anyone seen who the past ones were?
Can she really be any worse?
She voted on her principles and not what " others " say she should vote for.
IF only every politician voted on their principles we may well have a more honest Parliament.
Quote by kentswingers777
I found your original comment offensive.
And I personally find a lot of your comments offensive, opinionated and uncalled for.
Children need stability and unconditional love and it matters not who gives it to them. Males, female, either or both in any kind of relationship.
If you can't at least listen to both sides of a debate and keep forcing your issues at people Kenty, then a decent thread and discussion can't take place
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
To argue that there is a natural way to do things ,whilst you are writing on a computer?
i assume you cook your meat before you eat,and dont survive on the diet of nuts and berries are bodies are naturally designed for?
Define best,why is it better to have a male and female parent?
I do cook most of my meat, but not all. I don't really feel its 100% relevant, eating a different diet, being part of a swinging community, using my computer,
At the end of the day none of this has a detrimental effect on my children, however I fail to see how having two Mums or two Dads could not effect the children in some way. I don't think I need to define the best way to procreate and raise offspring as nature/evolution/god have spent millions of years doing that for us.
I am sorry that some feel offended by this view. I am not a philosopher, I am a manual worker who uses logic, and to me Male & female make the logical parents
There is an awful lot of research to support the view that the one mom one dad and a few kids family isn't "natural" at all. Its really really recent and western. I would point to the behaviours of modern peoples who take a different longer established approach to child rearing.
I know of no studies that demonstrate that MM or FF parenting models have a detrimental affect on child welfare.
Of course it was only in the 70s that homosexuality ceased to be labelled a mental illness and only twenty years before that it was of course illegal to be a gay man in the UK. Such discrimination results in prejudice which takes a long time to wear off.
One would have thought the appointment of a more enlightened individual would have helped the integration process.
I know of no studies that demonstrate that MM or FF parenting models have a detrimental affect on child welfare.
Of course it was only in the 70s that homosexuality ceased to be labelled a mental illness and only twenty years before that it was of course illegal to be a gay man in the UK. Such discrimination results in prejudice which takes a long time to wear off.
One would have thought the appointment of a more enlightened individual would have helped the integration process.
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Oh and btw I do agree this is quite possibly the most badly judged appointments in the history of badly judged appointments
as the appointment of tony blair as leader of the labour party you mean
No that was worse ......you seem to have got me mixed up with a labour supporter
Sex God
Sounds odd to me Ben, but I am a layman and very oldfashened
Children can be very cruel.
A child of same sex parents could spend its whole school life being miserable
Children can be very cruel.
A child of same sex parents could spend its whole school life being miserable
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Oh and btw I do agree this is quite possibly the most badly judged appointments in the history of badly judged appointments
as the appointment of tony blair as leader of the labour party you mean
No that was worse ......you seem to have got memixed up with a labour supporter
not at all staggers i was only pointing out there was indeed a worse appointment
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Oh and btw I do agree this is quite possibly the most badly judged appointments in the history of badly judged appointments
as the appointment of tony blair as leader of the labour party you mean
No that was worse ......you seem to have got memixed up with a labour supporter
not at all staggers i was only pointing out there was indeed a worse appointment
Oh there are many, where would you like me to start?
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Oh and btw I do agree this is quite possibly the most badly judged appointments in the history of badly judged appointments
as the appointment of tony blair as leader of the labour party you mean
No that was worse ......you seem to have got memixed up with a labour supporter
not at all staggers i was only pointing out there was indeed a worse appointment
Oh there are many, where would you like me to start?
do you think we really have the time
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Sounds odd to me Ben, but I am a layman and very oldfashened
Children can be very cruel.
A child of same sex parents could spend its whole school life being miserable
the children of same sex parents i know are happy and well adjusted,and have not been again the people i know judge on deeper things than arrangement of genitals what makes a good person or good parent.
The school children in your area must be far more forward thinking than the ones I went to school with
For the record, I have not judged any ones parenting skills or what type of persons they might be.
Quote by Dawnie
I found your original comment offensive.
And I personally find a lot of your comments offensive, opinionated and uncalled for.
Children need stability and unconditional love and it matters not who gives it to them. Males, female, either or both in any kind of relationship.
If you can't at least listen to both sides of a debate and keep forcing your issues at people Kenty, then a decent thread and discussion can't take place
If you look at page two of this thread you will see I posted a link highlighting both sides of the argument, which I think Blue thanked me for posting it.
Am I the only one that forces the issue then? If not why are you singling me out?
I have listened to both sides and I do not agree with the arguements that are against my views.
I have had the warnings about argueing or bickering on here, so have just stated my opinions,not everyone finds what I write on here offensive....sorry that you do.
Sex God
This was cut and paste from here; , only really to show that there are two sides to every story and not every one See's things the same way.
Dual Gender Parenting and Child-rearing:
The research supporting the importance of dual gender parenting and child-rearing is extensive and clear in its singular conclusion: all variables considered, children are best served when reared in a home with a married mother and father. Mothers and fathers contribute in gender specific and in gender-complementary ways to the healthy development of children. Children reap unique developmental benefits when reared in a home with a married, reasonably harmonious union of their own biological mother and father. A Child Trends research brief provided the following scholarly summary:
Research clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a low-conflict marriage...There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents.
I feel I am destined to disagree the the majority here on this one and feel nothing to be gained in further input on this one from me
Dual Gender Parenting and Child-rearing:
The research supporting the importance of dual gender parenting and child-rearing is extensive and clear in its singular conclusion: all variables considered, children are best served when reared in a home with a married mother and father. Mothers and fathers contribute in gender specific and in gender-complementary ways to the healthy development of children. Children reap unique developmental benefits when reared in a home with a married, reasonably harmonious union of their own biological mother and father. A Child Trends research brief provided the following scholarly summary:
Research clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a low-conflict marriage...There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents.
I feel I am destined to disagree the the majority here on this one and feel nothing to be gained in further input on this one from me
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
This was cut and paste from here; , only really to show that there are two sides to every story and not every one See's things the same way.
Dual Gender Parenting and Child-rearing:
The research supporting the importance of dual gender parenting and child-rearing is extensive and clear in its singular conclusion: all variables considered, children are best served when reared in a home with a married mother and father. Mothers and fathers contribute in gender specific and in gender-complementary ways to the healthy development of children. Children reap unique developmental benefits when reared in a home with a married, reasonably harmonious union of their own biological mother and father. A Child Trends research brief provided the following scholarly summary:
Research clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a low-conflict marriage...There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents.
I feel I am destined to disagree the the majority here on this one and feel nothing to be gained in further input on this one from me
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