Fixing The Irish Problem

28 Nov 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664
now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts

29 Nov 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?

29 Nov 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?
Right, so PM Guls arrests all these people and charges them with fraud and jails them. I understand that bit.
Now what would you do? Would the rest of the world economy trade with us if we wrote off their debt?
Dave_Notts

29 Nov 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?
Regrettably (fr you) your opinion would seem to be in a minority and not subscribed to by the majority of leading economists around the world. You love the expression Ponzi scheme but I have to inform you that to arrest world leaders require you to be a world leader yopurself and achieve sufficient support in the civilised world for your opinion to really matter at which time you could declare war and attack the Ponzi's to make them pay. Not sure if this would be a viable course of action or not - but like they say - every journey starts with the first step.
Then again we could just tell the whole world to F off and refuse to repay our debts - which I guess might be read by other civilised societies as gross irresponsibility.
Problem is - we are where we are - and Morning Star rantings do not get us out of this position. What is needed is a rational and civilised solution whilst adhering to accepted civilsied practices and International Law.

29 Nov 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664
snip (cos it was boring) i mean no ill will to anyone and certainly no one on here, regardless how much i am slandered. guls.

That would be libelled. Slander is verbal, libel is published. Clearly you know rather less about very common legal principles than you claim to about all things financial.

29 Nov 2010

Quote by Too Hot

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?
Regrettably (fr you) your opinion would seem to be in a minority and not subscribed to by the majority of leading economists around the world. You love the expression Ponzi scheme but I have to inform you that to arrest world leaders require you to be a world leader yopurself and achieve sufficient support in the civilised world for your opinion to really matter at which time you could declare war and attack the Ponzi's to make them pay. Not sure if this would be a viable course of action or not - but like they say - every journey starts with the first step.
Then again we could just tell the whole world to F off and refuse to repay our debts - which I guess might be read by other civilised societies as gross irresponsibility.
Problem is - we are where we are - and Morning Star rantings do not get us out of this position. What is needed is a rational and civilised solution whilst adhering to accepted civilsied practices and International Law.
when did you canvass the majority of leading economists too hot ? if by that you mean the majority of so called economists and bussiness journalists quoted in the mainstream (establishment) media, then i guess you and they are right. defaulting on the debt merely requires the populus to reject it. will you be able to look your grandchildren in the eye and say "i'm sorry about your future but i was conditioned to believe i had to give it away"? then again, instead of saying fuck off to all the other people in the world that we, our children and our grandchildren dont owe a penny to, we could tell the charletans, theives and fraudsters to fuck off and refuse to hock humanity to the bastards.
if to you its reasonable and civilised to pay more in taxes, recieve less services, have your pension confiscated, lose your benefits, lose your job, lose your house and pass that on to your grandchildren, while city slickers, hedge fund managers and banksters enjoy their greatest payout in history after bankrupting themselves, then you are certainly more civilised than me. lets turn to them for the solution to the mess that they got us into. very civilised that. count dracula in charge of the blood bank comes to mind or even putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
what on earth the morning star has to do with all this sounds like diversion to me. why cant you discuss the mechanics/science of these issues instead of making what you consider jibes in reference to a left wing publication. have'nt caught sight of the morning star since i was a student and thats so long ago i'm suprised it's still going.
keep on rationalising and make sure you have a good stock of rations. keep your head low and hope that you and all your nearest and dearests are not one of the surplus to requirement eaters. and in the meantime, accept the debt and try to pay it back and i guarantee you, you will die trying. regards

29 Nov 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
snip (cos it was boring) i mean no ill will to anyone and certainly no one on here, regardless how much i am slandered. guls.

That would be libelled. Slander is verbal, libel is published. Clearly you know rather less about very common legal principles than you claim to about all things financial.
excellent exposition of the issues raised foxy. i will bring it to the attention of the monetary policy committee so they can consider it when deciding on q.e.3 or future interest rates. regards

29 Nov 2010

sorry folks, did'nt mean to follow the title "fixing the irish problem" because it's not.

30 Nov 2010

gulsons's ramblings don't 'arf remind me of this character......

30 Nov 2010

Not claiming to be any form of ecomonics genius. But it appears that when people are saying that there is only one way to fix the problem and that is the way the so called "experts" are saying then it is a bit like the "Kings new clothes"
In the fable, fraudsters persuaded the king that his new (but none existant) clothes were wonderful and when the King agreed they were wonderful then all the people had to say they were wonderful too.
It took a child to point out that the clothes did not exist, but once the bubble was burst it all came tumbling down.
Ah yes, you say, but its a fable couldn't happen in the real world........................could it not?
Look at North Korea, the people have been so brainwashed that they believe that they live in a paradise and the outside world wants to invade to take all they have..............Just like the Kings new clothes.
So I for one am not so quick to say Gulsonroad has it wrong, maybe he is the one who can see the Kings willy !
John

30 Nov 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?
OK, so what is the Ponzi scheme that you constantly refer to? Is it the fractional reserve lending that you also bang on about? If so, please tell me IN PLAIN ENGLISH, what is wrong with fractional reserve lending and why you state it is a Ponzi scheme. Let's see your reasoning and proof for once.
In answer to the other question that you constantly ask, ie who do the government owe the money to......the answer is simple, to the financial institutions, pension funds and private individuals that buy the bonds that the government has to issue in order to finance the gap between its spending and the revenues it raises. That figure is estimated to be £149 Billion for 2010/11.
Recently published figures suggest the Public Sector Net Debt at Sept 2010 stood at £953 BILLION, or £843 Billion Excluding Financial Sector intervention. So which debt do you advocate that we repudiate? The £842 billion owing to financial institutions and pension funds? Now that would be a really smart move, wouldn't it? dunno

30 Nov 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?
Regrettably (fr you) your opinion would seem to be in a minority and not subscribed to by the majority of leading economists around the world. You love the expression Ponzi scheme but I have to inform you that to arrest world leaders require you to be a world leader yopurself and achieve sufficient support in the civilised world for your opinion to really matter at which time you could declare war and attack the Ponzi's to make them pay. Not sure if this would be a viable course of action or not - but like they say - every journey starts with the first step.
Then again we could just tell the whole world to F off and refuse to repay our debts - which I guess might be read by other civilised societies as gross irresponsibility.
Problem is - we are where we are - and Morning Star rantings do not get us out of this position. What is needed is a rational and civilised solution whilst adhering to accepted civilsied practices and International Law.
when did you canvass the majority of leading economists too hot ? if by that you mean the majority of so called economists and bussiness journalists quoted in the mainstream (establishment) media, then i guess you and they are right. defaulting on the debt merely requires the populus to reject it. will you be able to look your grandchildren in the eye and say "i'm sorry about your future but i was conditioned to believe i had to give it away"? then again, instead of saying fuck off to all the other people in the world that we, our children and our grandchildren dont owe a penny to, we could tell the charletans, theives and fraudsters to fuck off and refuse to hock humanity to the bastards.
if to you its reasonable and civilised to pay more in taxes, recieve less services, have your pension confiscated, lose your benefits, lose your job, lose your house and pass that on to your grandchildren, while city slickers, hedge fund managers and banksters enjoy their greatest payout in history after bankrupting themselves, then you are certainly more civilised than me. lets turn to them for the solution to the mess that they got us into. very civilised that. count dracula in charge of the blood bank comes to mind or even putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
what on earth the morning star has to do with all this sounds like diversion to me. why cant you discuss the mechanics/science of these issues instead of making what you consider jibes in reference to a left wing publication. have'nt caught sight of the morning star since i was a student and thats so long ago i'm suprised it's still going.
keep on rationalising and make sure you have a good stock of rations. keep your head low and hope that you and all your nearest and dearests are not one of the surplus to requirement eaters. and in the meantime, accept the debt and try to pay it back and i guarantee you, you will die trying. regards
Are you really countenancing that the government is overthrown by the population (or rather every country in the world has their government overthrown) and that the common man simply denies any debt exists and simply gets back to tree hugging and planting sufficient crops to feed the country and nothing more? Is this where you are coming from?
Meanwhile on planet earth, life goes on...................I really don't think you realise this is a worldwide problem requring a worldwide solution that is acceptable and pallatable to hundreds of millions of people across a multitude of cultural divides. Revolutionary nonsense is not the answer to this problem no matter how loud you shout it.
By the way, I was surplus to requirements two years ago in my late 40's but instead of whinging and spouting mindless clap trap and finger pointing I took responsibility for myself and did something about it. Suggest you aspire to a more positive outlook on life before you depress yourself to death.

30 Nov 2010

Quote by Too Hot

now i have to come up with a solution, simple, REPUDIATE the debt

So if you were in charge you would just deny it exists. Ok, great. Now we have a starting point.
No idea what it is but say the UK has a pound debt. We repudiate it by PM Guls.......what would happen then? Do we just carry on as normal or would there be repercussions by other countries?
Dave_Notts
dave, if ireland owes a (billions) iceland owes b (billions) greece owes c (billions) portugal owes d (billions) spain owes e (billions) italy owes f (billions) latvia owes g (billions) estonia owes h (billions) hungary owes i (billions) bulgaria owes j (billions) all the african countries owe k (billions) mexico owes l (billions) argentina owes m (billions) the individual states in the u.s. owe n (billions) the u.s. federal government owes o TRILLIONS and britain owes p TRILLIONS, then who the fuck is it all owed to and where did they get it from to lend in the first place ? did theY magic it up out of thin air and charge it at interest ?
YES THEY DID ! ITS A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME SCAM AND A FRAUD !
REPUDIATE THE DEBT AND ARREST THE FRAUDSTERS AND THEIR POLITICAL HENCHMEN FOR FRAUD AND THEFT. if the watchdogs in the f.s.a. wont do it, then arrest them as well. and while your at it, arrest the fuckers at the ratings agency's that stamped unrepayable liar loans as triple A rated that would sooner rather than later turn out to be worthless pieces of paper !
we, our children and our childrens children are being indebted in perpetuaty to internatuional bloodsucking fraudsters and liars. their latest b.s. from their newly created office of budgetary bullshit is that not so many jobs will be lost and the economy is growing faster than they originally thought !$£&*^+! what a load of crap !
now that the forced loan from the e.c.b. and the i.m.f. on the people of ireland to save the insolvent banks and there shareholders, and there creditors in england, germany, france and the u.s. has not stemmed the tide of speculators shorting the euro and turning there attention to portugal, what was the point of giving in to them anyway ? if banks have made bad bets or been sold bum steers by their colleages, thats their problem. why should their loses it become ours while they pay themselves RECORD bonuses ?
Regrettably (fr you) your opinion would seem to be in a minority and not subscribed to by the majority of leading economists around the world. You love the expression Ponzi scheme but I have to inform you that to arrest world leaders require you to be a world leader yopurself and achieve sufficient support in the civilised world for your opinion to really matter at which time you could declare war and attack the Ponzi's to make them pay. Not sure if this would be a viable course of action or not - but like they say - every journey starts with the first step.
Then again we could just tell the whole world to F off and refuse to repay our debts - which I guess might be read by other civilised societies as gross irresponsibility.
Problem is - we are where we are - and Morning Star rantings do not get us out of this position. What is needed is a rational and civilised solution whilst adhering to accepted civilsied practices and International Law.
when did you canvass the majority of leading economists too hot ? if by that you mean the majority of so called economists and bussiness journalists quoted in the mainstream (establishment) media, then i guess you and they are right. defaulting on the debt merely requires the populus to reject it. will you be able to look your grandchildren in the eye and say "i'm sorry about your future but i was conditioned to believe i had to give it away"? then again, instead of saying fuck off to all the other people in the world that we, our children and our grandchildren dont owe a penny to, we could tell the charletans, theives and fraudsters to fuck off and refuse to hock humanity to the bastards.
if to you its reasonable and civilised to pay more in taxes, recieve less services, have your pension confiscated, lose your benefits, lose your job, lose your house and pass that on to your grandchildren, while city slickers, hedge fund managers and banksters enjoy their greatest payout in history after bankrupting themselves, then you are certainly more civilised than me. lets turn to them for the solution to the mess that they got us into. very civilised that. count dracula in charge of the blood bank comes to mind or even putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
what on earth the morning star has to do with all this sounds like diversion to me. why cant you discuss the mechanics/science of these issues instead of making what you consider jibes in reference to a left wing publication. have'nt caught sight of the morning star since i was a student and thats so long ago i'm suprised it's still going.
keep on rationalising and make sure you have a good stock of rations. keep your head low and hope that you and all your nearest and dearests are not one of the surplus to requirement eaters. and in the meantime, accept the debt and try to pay it back and i guarantee you, you will die trying. regards
Are you really countenancing that the government is overthrown by the population (or rather every country in the world has their government overthrown) and that the common man simply denies any debt exists and simply gets back to tree hugging and planting sufficient crops to feed the country and nothing more? Is this where you are coming from?
Meanwhile on planet earth, life goes on...................I really don't think you realise this is a worldwide problem requring a worldwide solution that is acceptable and pallatable to hundreds of millions of people across a multitude of cultural divides. Revolutionary nonsense is not the answer to this problem no matter how loud you shout it.
By the way, I was surplus to requirements two years ago in my late 40's but instead of whinging and spouting mindless clap trap and finger pointing I took responsibility for myself and did something about it. Suggest you aspire to a more positive outlook on life before you depress yourself to death.
i am not countenancing the overthrow of any government but implicit in your aside that "every country in the world overthrows it's government" is that every government in the world is in debt, correct, who to and where did they get the money from ?
and yes, this is a worldwide problem, created deliberately and knowingly and i'm not suggesting we simply go back to tree hugging, i will leave that to the likes of prince charles, no, we go back to work. seeking solutions to this monetary breakdown from the very experts and political leaders that got us into this mess, who will only look after themselves at our expense is what is ridiculous.
if a debt of quadrillions has been created that has to be repaid by us, human kind, then who do we owe it to and where the fuck did they get it from to lend it to us ?
the people of iceland repudiated the debt of the international bankski's (dont know their specific names offhand) and rejected i.m.f. loans as well and to boot, booted their government with a pots and pans vigil and the police joined them.
the minority irish government has agreed an e.c.b. and i.m.f. loan to cover the irish banks loses and saddled it onto the backs of the irish people that can NEVER be repaid by 4 million people. the international bond holders know that and will aquire all irelands state assets, taxes, properties and cash in exchange for the debt that cannot be repaid. the loans that were created out of thin air were by fractional reserve of 50-70 to one and thats if you count the balance sheet assets of derivitives written down value as opposed to mark to market.
even after comitting this treasonable act, it did not bring about any stabilisation in the bond market, on the contrary, the hyenas turned their attentions to spanish banks and the most naked one there is santander. nothing revolutionary in what i'm saying too hot. it's the truth but you keep trying to figure out a solution with lies. regards

30 Nov 2010

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Not claiming to be any form of ecomonics genius. But it appears that when people are saying that there is only one way to fix the problem and that is the way the so called "experts" are saying then it is a bit like the "Kings new clothes"
In the fable, fraudsters persuaded the king that his new (but none existant) clothes were wonderful and when the King agreed they were wonderful then all the people had to say they were wonderful too.
It took a child to point out that the clothes did not exist, but once the bubble was burst it all came tumbling down.
Ah yes, you say, but its a fable couldn't happen in the real world........................could it not?
Look at North Korea, the people have been so brainwashed that they believe that they live in a paradise and the outside world wants to invade to take all they have..............Just like the Kings new clothes.
So I for one am not so quick to say Gulsonroad has it wrong, maybe he is the one who can see the Kings willy !
John

Absolutely John. Unfortunately every time I ask what shall we do he says to deny the loan and thats it. How does that work? Will there be repercusions? Will anybody still trade with us if we do?
All these questions I have asked, but unfortunately he goes off on another ramble of a ponzi scheme, liars, liars, liars, banksters, alquadeer, etc. etc. that means no sense to man nor beast.
Now if he said "What I would do is A, B & C and the repercussions would be this but the benefits would be this...........then I would be able to understand what he is on about. But unfortunately it is like having afternoon tea in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
Dave_Notts

30 Nov 2010

much snipped........

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i am not countenancing the overthrow of any government but implicit in your aside that "every country in the world overthrows it's government" is that every government in the world is in debt, correct, who to and where did they get the money from ?
and yes, this is a worldwide problem, created deliberately and knowingly and i'm not suggesting we simply go back to tree hugging, i will leave that to the likes of prince charles, no, we go back to work. seeking solutions to this monetary breakdown from the very experts and political leaders that got us into this mess, who will only look after themselves at our expense is what is ridiculous.
if a debt of quadrillions has been created that has to be repaid by us, human kind, then who do we owe it to and where the fuck did they get it from to lend it to us ?
the people of iceland repudiated the debt of the international bankski's (dont know their specific names offhand) and rejected i.m.f. loans as well and to boot, booted their government with a pots and pans vigil and the police joined them.
the minority irish government has agreed an e.c.b. and i.m.f. loan to cover the irish banks loses and saddled it onto the backs of the irish people that can NEVER be repaid by 4 million people. the international bond holders know that and will aquire all irelands state assets, taxes, properties and cash in exchange for the debt that cannot be repaid. the loans that were created out of thin air were by fractional reserve of 50-70 to one and thats if you count the balance sheet assets of derivitives written down value as opposed to mark to market.
even after comitting this treasonable act, it did not bring about any stabilisation in the bond market, on the contrary, the hyenas turned their attentions to spanish banks and the most naked one there is santander. nothing revolutionary in what i'm saying too hot. it's the truth but you keep trying to figure out a solution with lies. regards

Look Guls - what is your solution to this problem in plain English?
We ain't going to arrest every leader of the civilised world and we cant get away with denying that we owe money unless the whole world joins in - so what is the answer?
Please don't insult us all with inane revolutionary ramblings - tell us in plain English how we all (the billions on normal, civilised people on the planet) get out of the mess other than tighten our belts and get on with it?
Thanks

1 Dec 2010

Quote by Too Hot
much snipped........
i am not countenancing the overthrow of any government but implicit in your aside that "every country in the world overthrows it's government" is that every government in the world is in debt, correct, who to and where did they get the money from ?
and yes, this is a worldwide problem, created deliberately and knowingly and i'm not suggesting we simply go back to tree hugging, i will leave that to the likes of prince charles, no, we go back to work. seeking solutions to this monetary breakdown from the very experts and political leaders that got us into this mess, who will only look after themselves at our expense is what is ridiculous.
if a debt of quadrillions has been created that has to be repaid by us, human kind, then who do we owe it to and where the fuck did they get it from to lend it to us ?
the people of iceland repudiated the debt of the international bankski's (dont know their specific names offhand) and rejected i.m.f. loans as well and to boot, booted their government with a pots and pans vigil and the police joined them.
the minority irish government has agreed an e.c.b. and i.m.f. loan to cover the irish banks loses and saddled it onto the backs of the irish people that can NEVER be repaid by 4 million people. the international bond holders know that and will aquire all irelands state assets, taxes, properties and cash in exchange for the debt that cannot be repaid. the loans that were created out of thin air were by fractional reserve of 50-70 to one and thats if you count the balance sheet assets of derivitives written down value as opposed to mark to market.
even after comitting this treasonable act, it did not bring about any stabilisation in the bond market, on the contrary, the hyenas turned their attentions to spanish banks and the most naked one there is santander. nothing revolutionary in what i'm saying too hot. it's the truth but you keep trying to figure out a solution with lies. regards

Look Guls - what is your solution to this problem in plain English?
We ain't going to arrest every leader of the civilised world and we cant get away with denying that we owe money unless the whole world joins in - so what is the answer?
Please don't insult us all with inane revolutionary ramblings - tell us in plain English how we all (the billions on normal, civilised people on the planet) get out of the mess other than tighten our belts and get on with it?
Thanks
well i dont know about revolutionary but there aint arf gonna be some pissed off old irishmen when they find out that their pension money pot that they paid into all their working lives has just gone down the bankers black hole to pay their bonuses. the fianna fail minority government (without mandate) has comitted paddies future pension to the senior bondholders (central banks) towards the national debt (private bank debt) that was transfered to the people.
solutions come from knowledge and truth, not ignorance and lies and i certainly do not have a monopoly on knowledge, truth and answers but, if you believe that the very people who got us into this mess give a fuk about you or i or have a solution, then rest your confidence in them and their experts while the shear you and us of everything we have worked and saved for.
trichet (head of the e.c.b.) has just comitted germany to underwrite the bondholders holdings after angle merkel, elected president of germany, vowed that germany would not bail-out the euro states debts and stated firmly that if the hard working citizens of germany and their savings had to take a haircut, then the bondholders should share in the pain by taking a haircut. where is she now ?
i ask you this question :- if the european central bank can print money (or digitise it into existance), the bank of england can print money and the federal reserve can print money, and when they do, they lend it at interest to european states, great britain and america, then who the fuck do we owe it to if they, as central banks are owned by their respective soveriegn states (citizens). ANSWER :- THEY ARE PRIVATE BANKS OWNED BY PRIVATE SHAREHOLDERS and that aint you and me ! AND THEY ARE THE SENIOR BONDHOLDERS THAT WONT TAKE A HAIRCUT. FUKIN LONGHAIRED YETIES.

2 Dec 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664
much snipped........
i am not countenancing the overthrow of any government but implicit in your aside that "every country in the world overthrows it's government" is that every government in the world is in debt, correct, who to and where did they get the money from ?
and yes, this is a worldwide problem, created deliberately and knowingly and i'm not suggesting we simply go back to tree hugging, i will leave that to the likes of prince charles, no, we go back to work. seeking solutions to this monetary breakdown from the very experts and political leaders that got us into this mess, who will only look after themselves at our expense is what is ridiculous.
if a debt of quadrillions has been created that has to be repaid by us, human kind, then who do we owe it to and where the fuck did they get it from to lend it to us ?
the people of iceland repudiated the debt of the international bankski's (dont know their specific names offhand) and rejected i.m.f. loans as well and to boot, booted their government with a pots and pans vigil and the police joined them.
the minority irish government has agreed an e.c.b. and i.m.f. loan to cover the irish banks loses and saddled it onto the backs of the irish people that can NEVER be repaid by 4 million people. the international bond holders know that and will aquire all irelands state assets, taxes, properties and cash in exchange for the debt that cannot be repaid. the loans that were created out of thin air were by fractional reserve of 50-70 to one and thats if you count the balance sheet assets of derivitives written down value as opposed to mark to market.
even after comitting this treasonable act, it did not bring about any stabilisation in the bond market, on the contrary, the hyenas turned their attentions to spanish banks and the most naked one there is santander. nothing revolutionary in what i'm saying too hot. it's the truth but you keep trying to figure out a solution with lies. regards

Look Guls - what is your solution to this problem in plain English?
We ain't going to arrest every leader of the civilised world and we cant get away with denying that we owe money unless the whole world joins in - so what is the answer?
Please don't insult us all with inane revolutionary ramblings - tell us in plain English how we all (the billions on normal, civilised people on the planet) get out of the mess other than tighten our belts and get on with it?
Thanks
well i dont know about revolutionary but there aint arf gonna be some pissed off old irishmen when they find out that their pension money pot that they paid into all their working lives has just gone down the bankers black hole to pay their bonuses. the fianna fail minority government (without mandate) has comitted paddies future pension to the senior bondholders (central banks) towards the national debt (private bank debt) that was transfered to the people.
solutions come from knowledge and truth, not ignorance and lies and i certainly do not have a monopoly on knowledge, truth and answers but, if you believe that the very people who got us into this mess give a fuk about you or i or have a solution, then rest your confidence in them and their experts while the shear you and us of everything we have worked and saved for.
trichet (head of the e.c.b.) has just comitted germany to underwrite the bondholders holdings after angle merkel, elected president of germany, vowed that germany would not bail-out the euro states debts and stated firmly that if the hard working citizens of germany and their savings had to take a haircut, then the bondholders should share in the pain by taking a haircut. where is she now ?
i ask you this question :- if the european central bank can print money (or digitise it into existance), the bank of england can print money and the federal reserve can print money, and when they do, they lend it at interest to european states, great britain and america, then who the fuck do we owe it to if they, as central banks are owned by their respective soveriegn states (citizens). ANSWER :- THEY ARE PRIVATE BANKS OWNED BY PRIVATE SHAREHOLDERS and that aint you and me ! AND THEY ARE THE SENIOR BONDHOLDERS THAT WONT TAKE A HAIRCUT. FUKIN LONGHAIRED YETIES.
Still no solution then. Cheers :thumbup: You haven't disappointed me then
Dave_Notts

2 Dec 2010

REPUDIATE THE DEBT. DEFAULT, ITS NOT YOUR DEBT ANYWAY OR ALTERNATIVELY CALL IN THE I.M.F. AND ACCEPT ALL THE AUSTERITY AND HARDSHIP THAT WILL COME IN THE I.M.F.'S LAUNDRY LIST. JOB LOSES, PENSIONS STOPPED, BENEFITS DONE AWAY WITH, PRIVATISATION (THEFT), NEGLECT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, MEGA PROFIT FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE AND DEEPER DEBT.
CLOSURE OF HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS, FIRE STATIONS, LIBRARIES, CUTS IN BENEFITS, CUTS IN HOUSING ALLOWANCES, EVICTION OF COUNCIL TENNANTS, COLLAPSING ASSET VALUES (HOUSES AND ALL PROPERTY), WHOLESALE CLOSURES OF COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, WAGE CUTS, FACTORY CLOSURES.....I.M.F.'S TERMS FOR LOAN TO IRELAND TO SUPPORT THEIR PRIVATELY OWNED BANKS WHO'S SHAREHOLDERS AND CREDITORS DONT LOSE A PENNY AND WHO'S DIRECTORS ARE ENJOYING RECORD BONUSES... SOUNDS FAMILIAR

2 Dec 2010

OH AND I FORGOT. INCREASE TAXES, NATIONAL INSURANCE, V.A.T. AND PROPERTY TAXES AND PAY IT ALL TO THE I.M.F. TO SERVICE THE INTEREST ON YOUR BAIL-OUT LOAN TO KEEP THE BANKERS IN THE BONUSES THEY ARE USED TO.

3 Dec 2010

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! :scared:
Capitals - so fucking rude!!!

3 Dec 2010

So that is your solution Guls? Or is that just a repeat of all that you have wrote before. It looks similar to your similar posts. I am still not disappointed then
One day we may get a solution
Dave_Notts

3 Dec 2010

Repudiate what debt? You didn't answer my questions Guls because you really don't have a. clue, do you?

3 Dec 2010

Quote by Max777
Repudiate what debt? You didn't answer my questions Guls because you really don't have a. clue, do you?

and he now shouts just to make sure you hear him... he must be getting through a keyboard a week with all that keyboard stabbing. I can picture him now, a plaster cast on his index finger sticking out like a sore thumb whilst killing the keyboard with his middle finger! He'll find it more difficult with his ring finger when he's worn the other two out pmsl.
He really needs some anger management sessions as well as a basic course in economics!
Guls doesn't have a credible solution other than to shout off the odds like an Alf Garnett drone whilst thumping his keyboard, innit.

4 Dec 2010

Quote by GnV
Repudiate what debt? You didn't answer my questions Guls because you really don't have a. clue, do you?

and he now shouts just to make sure you hear him... he must be getting through a keyboard a week with all that keyboard stabbing. I can picture him now, a plaster cast on his index finger sticking out like a sore thumb whilst killing the keyboard with his middle finger! He'll find it more difficult with his ring finger when he's worn the other two out pmsl.
He really needs some anger management sessions as well as a basic course in economics!
Guls doesn't have a credible solution other than to shout off the odds like an Alf Garnett drone whilst thumping his keyboard, innit.
Just think what he will be like when his bollocks drop, and all that testosterone will flow through him!

4 Dec 2010

Gulson speaks more sense than many. I don't think he deserves these attacks although I appreciate the use of capitals can be tiresome.

4 Dec 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Gulson speaks more sense than many. I don't think he deserves these attacks although I appreciate the use of capitals can be tiresome.

Maybe in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King?

4 Dec 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Gulson speaks more sense than many. I don't think he deserves these attacks although I appreciate the use of capitals can be tiresome.

No surprises there then, from someone who is equally well known for repeating meaningless drivel and spilling out the same mantra over and over.

4 Dec 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Gulson speaks more sense than many. I don't think he deserves these attacks although I appreciate the use of capitals can be tiresome.

It's the lack of listening to genuine questions that I find tiresome.

6 Dec 2010

Oh, where's Markz when you want him?

Quote by Previously, in other threads, Markz
Have we solved it yet?

Some people are just too missed from the forums these days.

6 Dec 2010

It's good to see common sense has prevailed!