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I'll make it simpler. An adult to get into a Barca game costs £16. An adult to get into a Man Utd game costs £28. Which one is cheaper?
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band E 17 pounds just so everyone understands for an ADULT ticket.
this is to see blackburn rovers against aston villa.
so as to not confuse with junior or OAP prices, even though i was not aware that we were seperating things. mind you though band E you probably have a great big post in the way so is possibly a restricted view if you are under 5ft 9 in tall. a bit like a 16 quid ticket at barca. for that you are so high and so far away you cannot even see the ball, but hey your in the ground, right?
or to avoid any further confusion i hope that we are not only talking about chelsea or man utd now. i hope any premiership teem will do. :bounce:
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band E 17 pounds just so everyone understands for an ADULT ticket.
this is to see blackburn rovers against aston villa.
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:Oh it gets better and better
I'll make it even simpler.
Is £17 cheaper or dearer than £16
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
so as to not confuse with junior or OAP prices, even though i was not aware that we were seperating things.
To compare you have to look at like for like............thats what compare means
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mind you though band E you probably have a great big post in the way so is possibly a restricted view if you are under 5ft 9 in tall. a bit like a 16 quid ticket at barca. for that you are so high and so far away you cannot even see the ball, but hey your in the ground, right?
So you can't see the ball? Are you really sure or are you making this up?
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or to avoid any further confusion i hope that we are not only talking about chelsea or man utd now. i hope any premiership teem will do. :bounce:
I brought up the top two teams in La Liga (Barca & Real). For comparison perhaps the top two in England should be used i.e. Man City and Man Utd. But there again, you did use an example of Blackburn who are at 17th in the league and they did not have an adult ticket below that of Barca
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
thanks mr notts for allowing me the time of debating with you.
it has been most enjoyable. :grin:
It certainly has Star :thumbup:
Because of your links I had a good nose around the football teams websites. I have now made a resolution to myself that I should go to a Barca or Real game..........but I'll wait to pack the kids off to Uni or the French Foreign Legion, as that will be the only time I'll be able to afford it.
My opinion is that they are over charging, which prices out a lot of supporters who would like to see their team. I am not saying every week but once in a while. I get to see lots of different teams as I love to watch football. I can afford my teams entrance fees as they in the conference :sad:
Dave_Notts
cant remember what it cost thou but it was summer last year :) sadly (for me) they beat my team 
Quote by Dave__Notts
Because of your links I had a good nose around the football teams websites. I have now made a resolution to myself that I should go to a Barca or Real game..........but I'll wait to pack the kids off to Uni or the French Foreign Legion, as that will be the only time I'll be able to afford it.
i have been to both grounds and whilst i love barac, El Bernabéu is the one to go to for a atmospehere that will change your life.
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My opinion is that they are over charging, which prices out a lot of supporters who would like to see their team. I am not saying every week but once in a while. I get to see lots of different teams as I love to watch football. I can afford my teams entrance fees as they in the conference :sad:
mr notts. there are many ways of seeing first teem football for cheep prices. take tomorrows game chelsea against birmingham.
i brought 4 tickets at 30 pounds each. 30 pounds is not expensive for an adult to go and watch one of the top four football teems in england. a month ago i brought 2 tickets to see arsenal for 32 pounds each. hardly going to break the bank. of course if you wanted to go every week it would be expensive, or would it? i go as often as i can to watch a london teem as i love the feel of a london game.
a friend of mine buys 20 cigarettes a day at a packet. now over 7 days that is when you look at it that way maybe football is not that bad and a bit more healthy to.
last yeer we went to the o2 and paid 80 pounds a ticket for two hours of entertainment. is football reely as expensive as you seem to think? or are you just a tight northerner?
:lol:
Sex God
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Yes, one huge difference. The wages paid to the 'players'.
ok foxy where would you like the money generated by the club to go?
Reduced gate prices of course. Isn't that obvious? Or better still cut the stupid wages - you'll get players who want to play the game not pay for their WAG's stupid hair cuts and enormous sunglasses and liposuction.
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Reduced gate prices of course. Isn't that obvious?
well yes it is of course. but when those high paid players leave for pastures new abroad as they are being asked to play for 30 grand a yeer, what exactly do you replace them with? yes we can then have cheep gate prices but then get cheep second rate players and a second rate game. i do not know how that would work? premier league games most of the time have no problem putting bums on seats. if the grounds were half empty i would say your argument is good, but they are full most of the time. so where is the incentive to reduce there prices? scotland and rangers are not the english league. football has been in decline for yeers up there. they have very few good players and certainly no world class ones, as they would by now be playing in england or abroad. rangers and celtic are struggling not because of gate prices foxy but because they have rubbish players.
when rangers had top quality players they were making money. they have been a club since 1872, and for that reeson alone this is sad news for a once proud club.:thumbup:
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Or better still cut the stupid wages - you'll get players who want to play the game not pay for their WAG's stupid hair cuts and enormous sunglasses and liposuction.
all players want to play, but most want to get paid lots of money for doing it. if you cut there wages do you then cut say a film stars wages, or a singers wages
yes i am sure there are a few wags that the media follow around but on the whole the ladies stay in the background. unless you are talking about wags like victoria beckham or coleen rooney? well both of those wags are worth a fortune. :bounce:
most of the so called wags are a small amount of females who have football husbands/boyfriends.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
Yes, one huge difference. The wages paid to the 'players'.
ok foxy where would you like the money generated by the club to go?
Reduced gate prices of course. Isn't that obvious? Or better still cut the stupid wages - you'll get players who want to play the game not pay for their WAG's stupid hair cuts and enormous sunglasses and liposuction.
does that make elton john a wag then
Sex God
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well portsmouth again apparently
Star
and it came to pass...
Granted Administration twice in 2 years is going it a bit even by Football standards
i think companies like sky are half the problem to do with football finances these days.
remember the trouble when itv digital folded after making a contract offer it couldnt keep to.
and then we had satanta sports go under because again they couldnt afford the rights to football and couldnt attract subscribers who were all ready paying for sky in the first place.
I believe the attitudes of top flight players are disgraceful because of the money they are payed to play the game.
drug taking, racist abuse and constantly we read and hear about affairs, violent public disorder and sexual assaults from these so called stars because they think they are better than everyone because of the money and fame the game gives them.
this in turn ruins football clubs because they cannot afford the top wages and agent fees that go with it. but most get into serious debt chasing glory and hope it will pay off, in the past it was leeds who chased it then nearly went under, now rangers who bought titles in scotland on money they never had and portsmouth have changed hands over and over while still owing a massive amount of money to a previous owner and hmrc.
These clubs which do not pay taxes in accordance with the law should be stopped from playing until they do because if it was your business you can be sure youd be hung out to dry by the courts and all your assets taken so why should football clubs regardless of support or existance be let to carry on this way.
chelsea will go the same way as all the others in the end once the russian owner gets fed up with his toy and moves on. the club will not be able to pay the wages and a mountain of debt will follow as these players will be on long contracts which will have to be honoured.
then like man city they will go back to being in the middle of the table than pushing for league titles because before these mega bucks owners came into the clubs they never won leagues.
but the real sadness in all of it is the fact that money is the root of all evil.
look at all the racist,abusive marriage breakups and disgraceful players that children bear the names of on the backs of their replica shirts. terry,lampard,cole,giggs etc are all terrible role models and in the public position they are in should behave so kids that idolise them grow up with values and wanting to be just like them.
the only modern high profile player who carries himself respectfully is beckham, he puts his family first and conducts himself in public the way a professional player should in front of the global media. doesnt mean everyone likes him but it sure generates interest and a lot of cash.
in truth. todays players are poor in skill and ability compared to pele,banks,hurst and moore. they would be outplayed and kicked off the park.
remember the trouble when itv digital folded after making a contract offer it couldnt keep to.
and then we had satanta sports go under because again they couldnt afford the rights to football and couldnt attract subscribers who were all ready paying for sky in the first place.
I believe the attitudes of top flight players are disgraceful because of the money they are payed to play the game.
drug taking, racist abuse and constantly we read and hear about affairs, violent public disorder and sexual assaults from these so called stars because they think they are better than everyone because of the money and fame the game gives them.
this in turn ruins football clubs because they cannot afford the top wages and agent fees that go with it. but most get into serious debt chasing glory and hope it will pay off, in the past it was leeds who chased it then nearly went under, now rangers who bought titles in scotland on money they never had and portsmouth have changed hands over and over while still owing a massive amount of money to a previous owner and hmrc.
These clubs which do not pay taxes in accordance with the law should be stopped from playing until they do because if it was your business you can be sure youd be hung out to dry by the courts and all your assets taken so why should football clubs regardless of support or existance be let to carry on this way.
chelsea will go the same way as all the others in the end once the russian owner gets fed up with his toy and moves on. the club will not be able to pay the wages and a mountain of debt will follow as these players will be on long contracts which will have to be honoured.
then like man city they will go back to being in the middle of the table than pushing for league titles because before these mega bucks owners came into the clubs they never won leagues.
but the real sadness in all of it is the fact that money is the root of all evil.
look at all the racist,abusive marriage breakups and disgraceful players that children bear the names of on the backs of their replica shirts. terry,lampard,cole,giggs etc are all terrible role models and in the public position they are in should behave so kids that idolise them grow up with values and wanting to be just like them.
the only modern high profile player who carries himself respectfully is beckham, he puts his family first and conducts himself in public the way a professional player should in front of the global media. doesnt mean everyone likes him but it sure generates interest and a lot of cash.
in truth. todays players are poor in skill and ability compared to pele,banks,hurst and moore. they would be outplayed and kicked off the park.
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chelsea will go the same way as all the others in the end once the russian owner gets fed up with his toy and moves on. the club will not be able to pay the wages and a mountain of debt will follow as these players will be on long contracts which will have to be honoured.
:sleeping: i think peeple have been saying that one for a few yeers now. still waiting :notes:
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then like man city they will go back to being in the middle of the table than pushing for league titles because before these mega bucks owners came into the clubs they never won leagues.
in italy and spain very rich owners have been in place for many a yeer. they are still there and still winning trophies. it is not just the english clubs who have rich owners and if we took away those rich owners once again english clubs would be back to what we were for yeers, second best
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but the real sadness in all of it is the fact that money is the root of all evil.
look at all the racist,abusive marriage breakups and disgraceful players that children bear the names of on the backs of their replica shirts. terry,lampard,cole,giggs etc are all terrible role models and in the public position they are in should behave so kids that idolise them grow up with values and wanting to be just like them.
the only modern high profile player who carries himself respectfully is beckham, he puts his family first and conducts himself in public the way a professional player should in front of the global media. doesnt mean everyone likes him but it sure generates interest and a lot of cash.
i am sure that many kids who watch these players will not grow up into thieves and liars and racists because they watch them on the telly once a month. have you seen the games these kids play on there x boxes/ playstations?
i have highglighted a little fact that you seem to not like chelsea at all. obviusly a spurs supporter :doh:
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in truth. todays players are poor in skill and ability compared to pele,banks,hurst and moore. they would be outplayed and kicked off the park.
:rotflmao::bounce:do you actually know what you just wrote there?
ok how about as a starter.
iniesta, drogba, eto'o, xavi, ronaldo, and let us not forget the greatest ever player. in messi. there are many others.
in todays game three of your players above would not even get in the england teem. banks against joe hart? bobby moore against steven gerrard, hurst against wayne rooney. pele would not even see messi or ronaldo for dust.
still i am more into beach volleyball myself :thumbup:
It's always very difficult trying to compare current and past sportspeople but Bobby Moore would have have had no problem in playing in the current England team. He played in the back four and was far superior to any of the current incumbents, not to mention his captaincy skills. Both Banks and Hurst at their peaks would give any of the current players some stiff competition and no one would be able to afford to buy Pele at today's values!
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It's always very difficult trying to compare current and past sportspeople but Bobby Moore would have have had no problem in playing in the current England team. He played in the back four and was far superior to any of the current incumbents, not to mention his captaincy skills. Both Banks and Hurst at their peaks would give any of the current players some stiff competition and no one would be able to afford to buy Pele at today's values!
and beach volleyball max?
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It's always very difficult trying to compare current and past sportspeople but Bobby Moore would have have had no problem in playing in the current England team. He played in the back four and was far superior to any of the current incumbents, not to mention his captaincy skills. Both Banks and Hurst at their peaks would give any of the current players some stiff competition and no one would be able to afford to buy Pele at today's values!
and beach volleyball max?
Too bloody cold for that malarkey on the North East coast. :wink:
Sex God
Quote by Max777
It's always very difficult trying to compare current and past sportspeople but Bobby Moore would have have had no problem in playing in the current England team. He played in the back four and was far superior to any of the current incumbents, not to mention his captaincy skills. Both Banks and Hurst at their peaks would give any of the current players some stiff competition and no one would be able to afford to buy Pele at today's values!
The entire classic Leeds team probably got paid less than a single player gets these days in the Premiership. Peter Lorimer had to buy a pub to earn him a living once he'd retired.
Check 1:18 and on. Poor Southampton just don't know what day it is. It's almost cruel!
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It's always very difficult trying to compare current and past sportspeople but Bobby Moore would have have had no problem in playing in the current England team. He played in the back four and was far superior to any of the current incumbents, not to mention his captaincy skills. Both Banks and Hurst at their peaks would give any of the current players some stiff competition and no one would be able to afford to buy Pele at today's values!
The entire classic Leeds team probably got paid less than a single player gets these days in the Premiership. Peter Lorimer had to buy a pub to earn him a living once he'd retired.
Check 1:18 and on. Poor Southampton just don't know what day it is. It's almost cruel!
Ah, the good old days Neil :P
The annual wage bill for the Leeds team would be less than a top player now earns per week. Johny Giles doubled his salary when he moved from Man United........to £60 per week!
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Ah, the good old days Neil :P
The annual wage bill for the Leeds team would be less than a top player now earns per week. Johny Giles doubled his salary when he moved from Man United........to £60 per week!
were they the good old days though??
your comparison is unfair max. giles moved to leeds utd in 1963. have a look at the annual salary of 1970 in this link.
so would be much less for 1963. in fact 35 shillings, in todays money. so £60 per week in 1963 comparing it to the average wage of would be roughly £911 per year for the average worker. per week is , that is over three times the average wage.
i have foxy to thank here for the calculator tip.
:rotflmao::grin: They were the good old days for Leeds.
Why is my comparison unfair? I wasn't comparing footballers' salaries to the average wage, I was comparing footballers' salaries from back then to today's. I couldn't see where you got your figures from in the link you provided but if you want me to make that comparison, your link would suggest that the average wage circa 1959 was £13 per week, so in 1963 Giles might have been getting twice the average wage before his move. Today, the average wage is around £25k per year, whereas bog standard premiership players now earn £100k PER WEEK, which is over 200 times the average wage.
Why is my comparison unfair? I wasn't comparing footballers' salaries to the average wage, I was comparing footballers' salaries from back then to today's. I couldn't see where you got your figures from in the link you provided but if you want me to make that comparison, your link would suggest that the average wage circa 1959 was £13 per week, so in 1963 Giles might have been getting twice the average wage before his move. Today, the average wage is around £25k per year, whereas bog standard premiership players now earn £100k PER WEEK, which is over 200 times the average wage.
Sex God
"The club is in a perilous financial situation and that should not be underestimated.
Regrettably, we have been unable to agree cost-cutting measures with the playing staff on terms that will preserve value in the business. We understand the players' position as the scale of wage cuts required to achieve these savings without job losses were very substantial indeed. In view of this, we are faced with a situation of making redundancies within the playing staff on such a scale that would materially erode the value of the playing squad",
said joint administrator David Whitehouse.
"However, no-one should be in any doubt that, in the absence of sufficient cost-cutting measures or receipt of substantial unplanned income, the club will not be able to fulfil its fixtures throughout the remainder of the season"
It's understood/reported that the club's biggest stars were being asked to take wage cuts of 75%, middle earners 50% and the lower paid members of the squad 25%.
Additionally Rangers' administrator has conceded that the club are unable to meet Uefa's 31 March accounts deadline and will not play in Europe next season. Additionally under Uefa regulations, Rangers must have paid or settled all tax debts outstanding at 31 December 2011, which are estimated to be at least £5m - another guarantee the administrator cannot fulfil.
Perhaps Rangers won't survive and as Rangers director Dave King has said in the last week club will not exit administration and that liquidation is "inevitable".
Regrettably, we have been unable to agree cost-cutting measures with the playing staff on terms that will preserve value in the business. We understand the players' position as the scale of wage cuts required to achieve these savings without job losses were very substantial indeed. In view of this, we are faced with a situation of making redundancies within the playing staff on such a scale that would materially erode the value of the playing squad",
said joint administrator David Whitehouse.
"However, no-one should be in any doubt that, in the absence of sufficient cost-cutting measures or receipt of substantial unplanned income, the club will not be able to fulfil its fixtures throughout the remainder of the season"
It's understood/reported that the club's biggest stars were being asked to take wage cuts of 75%, middle earners 50% and the lower paid members of the squad 25%.
Additionally Rangers' administrator has conceded that the club are unable to meet Uefa's 31 March accounts deadline and will not play in Europe next season. Additionally under Uefa regulations, Rangers must have paid or settled all tax debts outstanding at 31 December 2011, which are estimated to be at least £5m - another guarantee the administrator cannot fulfil.
Perhaps Rangers won't survive and as Rangers director Dave King has said in the last week club will not exit administration and that liquidation is "inevitable".
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I believe the attitudes of top flight players are disgraceful because of the money they are payed to play the game.
drug taking, racist abuse and constantly we read and hear about affairs, violent public disorder and sexual assaults from these so called stars because they think they are better than everyone because of the money and fame the game gives them.
This sort of behaviour is not exclusive to football, you will see this from people who work in factories, on sites, even from people who do not work at all.
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the only modern high profile player who carries himself respectfully is beckham
Allegations of infidelity with Rebecca Loos and others would give people reason to argue against the above comment.
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in truth. todays players are poor in skill and ability compared to pele,banks,hurst and moore. they would be outplayed and kicked off the park.
If the games you watch feature Heskey, Barton, Bramble etc, I'd agree with you, but there are many world class players who play with immense skill.
Sex God
Rangers' administrators estimate that the club's total debts could top £134m, and does not include liabilities to employees, including the playing staff whose contracts revert to their original terms on 1 June.
The figure is revealed in the administrator's report to creditors published on the club's website -
A total of more than £93mis being claimed by HM Revenue and Customs, relating to the so-called big and small tax cases, and unpaid VAT and PAYE.
The report also reveals Rangers owe cash to other football clubs including
:arrow: Hearts (£800,000),
:arrow: Dunfermline Athletic (£83,370),
:arrow: Dundee United (£65,981),
:arrow: Celtic (£40,337),
:arrow: Inverness Caledonian Thistle (£39,805),
:arrow: Manchester City (£328,248),
:arrow: Chelsea (£238,345),
:arrow: Arsenal (£136,560),
:arrow: Rapid Vienna (£1,011,763),
:arrow: St Etienne (£252,212),
:arrow: Palermo (£205,513),
:arrow: and Orebro (£150,000).
The full extent of the potential liabilities facing Rangers has been unclear since the Ibrox club went into administration in February.
The creditors' report reveals, however, that the club owes cash to 276 individuals, businesses and public bodies
The figure is revealed in the administrator's report to creditors published on the club's website -
A total of more than £93mis being claimed by HM Revenue and Customs, relating to the so-called big and small tax cases, and unpaid VAT and PAYE.
The report also reveals Rangers owe cash to other football clubs including
:arrow: Hearts (£800,000),
:arrow: Dunfermline Athletic (£83,370),
:arrow: Dundee United (£65,981),
:arrow: Celtic (£40,337),
:arrow: Inverness Caledonian Thistle (£39,805),
:arrow: Manchester City (£328,248),
:arrow: Chelsea (£238,345),
:arrow: Arsenal (£136,560),
:arrow: Rapid Vienna (£1,011,763),
:arrow: St Etienne (£252,212),
:arrow: Palermo (£205,513),
:arrow: and Orebro (£150,000).
The full extent of the potential liabilities facing Rangers has been unclear since the Ibrox club went into administration in February.
The creditors' report reveals, however, that the club owes cash to 276 individuals, businesses and public bodies
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chelsea will go the same way as all the others in the end once the russian owner gets fed up with his toy and moves on. the club will not be able to pay the wages and a mountain of debt will follow as these players will be on long contracts which will have to be honoured.
:sleeping: i think peeple have been saying that one for a few yeers now. still waiting :notes:
Quote by tyracer
then like man city they will go back to being in the middle of the table than pushing for league titles because before these mega bucks owners came into the clubs they never won leagues.
in italy and spain very rich owners have been in place for many a yeer. they are still there and still winning trophies. it is not just the english clubs who have rich owners and if we took away those rich owners once again english clubs would be back to what we were for yeers, second best
Quote by tyracer
but the real sadness in all of it is the fact that money is the root of all evil.
look at all the racist,abusive marriage breakups and disgraceful players that children bear the names of on the backs of their replica shirts. terry,lampard,cole,giggs etc are all terrible role models and in the public position they are in should behave so kids that idolise them grow up with values and wanting to be just like them.
the only modern high profile player who carries himself respectfully is beckham, he puts his family first and conducts himself in public the way a professional player should in front of the global media. doesnt mean everyone likes him but it sure generates interest and a lot of cash.
i am sure that many kids who watch these players will not grow up into thieves and liars and racists because they watch them on the telly once a month. have you seen the games these kids play on there x boxes/ playstations?
i have highglighted a little fact that you seem to not like chelsea at all. obviusly a spurs supporter :doh:
Quote by tyracer
in truth. todays players are poor in skill and ability compared to pele,banks,hurst and moore. they would be outplayed and kicked off the park.
:rotflmao::bounce:do you actually know what you just wrote there?
ok how about as a starter.
iniesta, drogba, eto'o, xavi, ronaldo, and let us not forget the greatest ever player. in messi. there are many others.
in todays game three of your players above would not even get in the england teem. banks against joe hart? bobby moore against steven gerrard, hurst against wayne rooney. pele would not even see messi or ronaldo for dust.
still i am more into beach volleyball myself :thumbup:
no im not a spurs supporter.
i dont like football. i'll talk about it but wont to out of my way to follow a team.
prefer motorsports and the equally corrupt sport of boxing lol
Sex God
..... and it just gets worse/better...........
Rangers have been hit with a 12-month transfer embargo from registering new players over the age of 18 and fined £160,000 in relation to their finances and the appointment of Craig Whyte as chairman, having being 'charged' with six breaches of SFA regulations, resulting in five guilty verdicts and one "not proven".
Police have warned that they will take action against people who make threats to the Scottish FA panel members who handed out punishments to Rangers
Additionaly the club's major shareholder Craig Whyte was hit with a lifetime ban from Scottish football and fined £200,000.
All this when set against Rangers' administrators saying they have yet to receive an offer for the club that will enable them to name a preferred bidder, though looking at an estimated debts of £134m.
Rangers have been hit with a 12-month transfer embargo from registering new players over the age of 18 and fined £160,000 in relation to their finances and the appointment of Craig Whyte as chairman, having being 'charged' with six breaches of SFA regulations, resulting in five guilty verdicts and one "not proven".
Police have warned that they will take action against people who make threats to the Scottish FA panel members who handed out punishments to Rangers
Additionaly the club's major shareholder Craig Whyte was hit with a lifetime ban from Scottish football and fined £200,000.
All this when set against Rangers' administrators saying they have yet to receive an offer for the club that will enable them to name a preferred bidder, though looking at an estimated debts of £134m.
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..... and it just gets worse/better...........
Rangers have been hit with a 12-month transfer embargo from registering new players over the age of 18 and fined £160,000 in relation to their finances and the appointment of Craig Whyte as chairman, having being 'charged' with six breaches of SFA regulations, resulting in five guilty verdicts and one "not proven".
Additionaly the club's major shareholder Craig Whyte was hit with a lifetime ban from Scottish football and fined £200,000.
All this when set against Rangers' administrators saying they have yet to receive an offer for the club that will enable them to name a preferred bidder, though looking at an estimated debts of £134m.
worse i think HNS, well worse for scottish football.
the SFA have two footballs teams north of the border, celtic and rangers. now it seems that the SFA are making things as difficult for one of those clubs as is humanly possible. I wonder if the peeple running the SFA are all catholics?
anyway i would have thought that seeing as there is only two teams that the SFA would have bent over backwards to help rangers, as lets be honest i would bet a month of sunday roasts that rangers over the years have earnt the SFA bundles of wongas.
personally i think scottish football is a bit of a joke. the only decent team it has left is celtic, and they would only finish mid table at best in our premiership. rangers is in a sorry state for sure and where are all the supporters up there? how about all of them putting 20 pounds in the pot to help? that will raise about 300 pounds.
seriously though the SFA have acted as part of some sick joke, and if rangers was to go to the wall, the SFA would suffer greatly from loss of revenues.
Sex God
Star,
If they are insolvent, then 'end of', period, just liquidate and get it over with.
If solvent, then would of thought a credible buyer would of taken over by now.
Longer it drags on the worse it will get as all the players who accepted the 'wage cut' have the option to leave during the summer, who what would be left besides the premises ?
As for your religion reference, sadly one of the things that's stained parts of Scottish football for decades.
If they are insolvent, then 'end of', period, just liquidate and get it over with.
If solvent, then would of thought a credible buyer would of taken over by now.
Longer it drags on the worse it will get as all the players who accepted the 'wage cut' have the option to leave during the summer, who what would be left besides the premises ?
As for your religion reference, sadly one of the things that's stained parts of Scottish football for decades.
Sex God
Will they ever re-appear, or is there enough money left for them to re-appear ?
Emails obtained by BBC Scotland reveal Rangers' administrators Duff and Phelps agreed with owner Craig Whyte to cap their fees at £500,000 two days before they were appointed. However on Tuesday, Duff and Phelps issued an offer to creditors for a CVA, where documents published showed the firm had accrued operating charges and legal fees to date of more than
:eeek:
Duff and Phelps response being, "The BBC has also got its figures wrong when stating our fees are now more than 10 times this amount..... As stated yesterday, all fees are subject to approval by creditors..."
It also seems Duff and Phelps also hold secure creditor status, meaning the firm could, under certain conditions, be the only creditor to be paid with all other unsecured creditors, including HMRC, Ticketus, football clubs and public bodies, only being entitled to whatever is left over from a CVA pot or sale of assets in liquidation.
The consortium fronted by businessman Charles Green has been afforded preferred bidder status as the Ibrox club attempts to exit administration via the CVA which was announced Tuesday.
(A CVA enables companies to reach an agreement with creditors about how debts could be repaid and provides for partial or full repayment depending on what the company can reasonably afford to pay and requires the approval of 75% or more in value of the creditors, and more than 50% in value of the members.)
Is it a panacea ?
Doubtful with the finance firm Ticketus is owed , HMRC being owed in unpaid PAYE tax and National Insurance, football debts totalling to 14 different clubs including Manchester City, Chelsea, Celtic, Dundee United, Orebro and Rapid Vienna, fees are also due to the Scottish Premier League, the Scottish Football League and the SFA amounting to £37,448, £8,341 to St Andrew's First Aid, to the Sports Turf Research Institute, Strathclyde Police £51,882, and £238 is due to Glasgow Taxis Ltd - as well as countless others in a 60 page document listing total amount of money owed to unsecured creditors as over £55m.
(This apparently does not take into account the original and long running potential liability arising from the "Big Tax Case").
However in some better news for Rangers, Court of Session Judge Lord Glennie this week ruled that the Scottish Football Association (SFA) acted beyond its powers in imposing a year-long transfer ban on Rangers FC on the grounds that this was not one of the sanctions listed in the SFA's own regulations.
Though in response the vice-president of FIFA, Jim Boyce, warns Rangers that they are risking severe punishment by having contested the SFA's transfer ban in the Court of Session instead of the Court of Arbitration for Sport and it's reported that the English Premier League, the Football League and the Conference League say there will be no place for Rangers should they be frozen out of Scottish football by the SFA.
Meanwhile the SPL (Scottish Premier League) yesterday agreed agreed to new rules over what happens to clubs who fail to pay players or HM Revenue and Customs on time. "The obligation to pay players on time will now be a disciplinary manner," "And, if clubs do not keep up to date with their PAYE and NIC, they will be made subject to a player registration embargo until they are up to date."
Watches with interest, particularly as once again 'our' money due via Taxes, National Insurance, etc. seems to be paying for this shambles.
:sad:
Emails obtained by BBC Scotland reveal Rangers' administrators Duff and Phelps agreed with owner Craig Whyte to cap their fees at £500,000 two days before they were appointed. However on Tuesday, Duff and Phelps issued an offer to creditors for a CVA, where documents published showed the firm had accrued operating charges and legal fees to date of more than
:eeek:
Duff and Phelps response being, "The BBC has also got its figures wrong when stating our fees are now more than 10 times this amount..... As stated yesterday, all fees are subject to approval by creditors..."
It also seems Duff and Phelps also hold secure creditor status, meaning the firm could, under certain conditions, be the only creditor to be paid with all other unsecured creditors, including HMRC, Ticketus, football clubs and public bodies, only being entitled to whatever is left over from a CVA pot or sale of assets in liquidation.
The consortium fronted by businessman Charles Green has been afforded preferred bidder status as the Ibrox club attempts to exit administration via the CVA which was announced Tuesday.
(A CVA enables companies to reach an agreement with creditors about how debts could be repaid and provides for partial or full repayment depending on what the company can reasonably afford to pay and requires the approval of 75% or more in value of the creditors, and more than 50% in value of the members.)
Is it a panacea ?
Doubtful with the finance firm Ticketus is owed , HMRC being owed in unpaid PAYE tax and National Insurance, football debts totalling to 14 different clubs including Manchester City, Chelsea, Celtic, Dundee United, Orebro and Rapid Vienna, fees are also due to the Scottish Premier League, the Scottish Football League and the SFA amounting to £37,448, £8,341 to St Andrew's First Aid, to the Sports Turf Research Institute, Strathclyde Police £51,882, and £238 is due to Glasgow Taxis Ltd - as well as countless others in a 60 page document listing total amount of money owed to unsecured creditors as over £55m.
(This apparently does not take into account the original and long running potential liability arising from the "Big Tax Case").
However in some better news for Rangers, Court of Session Judge Lord Glennie this week ruled that the Scottish Football Association (SFA) acted beyond its powers in imposing a year-long transfer ban on Rangers FC on the grounds that this was not one of the sanctions listed in the SFA's own regulations.
Though in response the vice-president of FIFA, Jim Boyce, warns Rangers that they are risking severe punishment by having contested the SFA's transfer ban in the Court of Session instead of the Court of Arbitration for Sport and it's reported that the English Premier League, the Football League and the Conference League say there will be no place for Rangers should they be frozen out of Scottish football by the SFA.
Meanwhile the SPL (Scottish Premier League) yesterday agreed agreed to new rules over what happens to clubs who fail to pay players or HM Revenue and Customs on time. "The obligation to pay players on time will now be a disciplinary manner," "And, if clubs do not keep up to date with their PAYE and NIC, they will be made subject to a player registration embargo until they are up to date."
Watches with interest, particularly as once again 'our' money due via Taxes, National Insurance, etc. seems to be paying for this shambles.
:sad:
