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Free speach or hate speach
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Sex God
Not one, single post about the OP.
I don't feel free speech outweighs good manners and all that encompasses. It has to be a balance between the freedom for me to communicate and the freedom of the other person not to suffer from what I say.
If we take feedom of speech to its logical conclusion I could accuse a man of me. I could encourage people to commit crimes of violence or hate. Clearly none of those things are acceptable. We must all self-moderate our own outputs but sometimes the law has to draw a line and say "This is never acceptable". Having enshrined freedom of religious expression in law, freedom from your whole religion being 'abused' because of the actions of an extreme section must follow. So, no-one has total freedom of speech - quite rightly.
Spreading falsehood as to fact should never be accepted nor should pushing hateful opinion as fact.
I don't feel free speech outweighs good manners and all that encompasses. It has to be a balance between the freedom for me to communicate and the freedom of the other person not to suffer from what I say.
If we take feedom of speech to its logical conclusion I could accuse a man of me. I could encourage people to commit crimes of violence or hate. Clearly none of those things are acceptable. We must all self-moderate our own outputs but sometimes the law has to draw a line and say "This is never acceptable". Having enshrined freedom of religious expression in law, freedom from your whole religion being 'abused' because of the actions of an extreme section must follow. So, no-one has total freedom of speech - quite rightly.
Spreading falsehood as to fact should never be accepted nor should pushing hateful opinion as fact.
Quote by flower411
I think that all book burners are ignorant, whichever side of the line they are standing.
If the thicko`s want to burn books, let em, print some more and ignore them.
It`s the media picking up on the story as if it`s news that causes the problems.
... and flag burners?
... and effigy burners?
In this enlightened internet age, why be so prissy just about book burners?
It seems like a perfectly valid, non-violent protest to me. There doesn't seem to be any "hate speeches" attached to it, and as the article says - the church members number only about 50, so hardly a world-wide hate campaign.
If people want to argue and kill each other over the differences in their religions, fuck 'em and let them do it. More room on the planet for us atheists!
If people want to argue and kill each other over the differences in their religions, fuck 'em and let them do it. More room on the planet for us atheists!
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Not one, single post about the OP.
I don't feel free speech outweighs good manners and all that encompasses. It has to be a balance between the freedom for me to communicate and the freedom of the other person not to suffer from what I say.
If we take feedom of speech to its logical conclusion I could accuse a man of me. I could encourage people to commit crimes of violence or hate. Clearly none of those things are acceptable. We must all self-moderate our own outputs but sometimes the law has to draw a line and say "This is never acceptable". Having enshrined freedom of religious expression in law, freedom from your whole religion being 'abused' because of the actions of an extreme section must follow. So, no-one has total freedom of speech - quite rightly.
Spreading falsehood as to fact should never be accepted nor should pushing hateful opinion as fact.
Coughs loudly
Someone cleaned them out. :giggle:
Orgasminator
The best thing that could happen is that no-one reported on his 'protest'. If no-one saw it it would have no impact. I know its unrealistic to expect that to happen that way. But zero interest in this story would piss on his chips somewhat.
Do what you want, nobody cares, nobody's watching. Make his statement fall on no ears. How much rage and hate can he stir up if no-ones looking? About none I would say.
Do what you want, nobody cares, nobody's watching. Make his statement fall on no ears. How much rage and hate can he stir up if no-ones looking? About none I would say.
Orgasminator
And isnt it a tad ironic that a thread about free speech should be more heavily censored than any I've ever witnessed on here?
There's really no point in posting anything if that's going to start being the norm.
There's really no point in posting anything if that's going to start being the norm.
Quote by vampanya
And isnt it a tad ironic that a thread about free speech should be more heavily censored than any I've ever witnessed on here?
There's really no point in posting anything if that's going to start being the norm.
Couldn't agree more with you on that one - it seems that as long as somebody, somewhere, for whatever reason they feel like at the time, is slightly offended by something on here, whether they're participating or not, the thread is locked under the very elastic AUP.
Tra-la-la, let's all go and buy lollipops
Anyone remember lollygobblechocbombs? They were fab!
Orgasminator
Oooh! You quoted me before I'd edited my spelling mistake! :doh:
Quote by GnV
And isnt it a tad ironic that a thread about free speech should be more heavily censored than any I've ever witnessed on here?
There's really no point in posting anything if that's going to start being the norm.
what she said
:thumbup:
I agree.
If the collective arses of those that make these decisions wobbles everytime someone posts, then why not go the whole hog, and delete this particular forum, censor anything with negativity in it, and ban those that do not pretend there is anything but jovialty going on.
Quote by flower411
I think that all book burners are ignorant, whichever side of the line they are standing.
Fahrenheit 451?
I`m not sure I understand the question !
Sorry, I am in a weird frame of mind, I expect someone to be upset before the day is out.
Anytime I see mention of book burning, I think of Fahrenheit 451.
Orgasminator
Quote by flower411
And isnt it a tad ironic that a thread about free speech should be more heavily censored than any I've ever witnessed on here?
There's really no point in posting anything if that's going to start being the norm.
what she said
:thumbup:
But surely St3v3 was just teasing with his demonstration of how the forums "could" be moderated !!
Where`s ya sense of humour ??
Touché
Sex God
Quote by vampanya
And isnt it a tad ironic that a thread about free speech should be more heavily censored than any I've ever witnessed on here?
There's really no point in posting anything if that's going to start being the norm.
Have I missed some thing today?
Orgasminator
Nah :uhoh:
Sex God
Quote by GnV
I think that all book burners are ignorant, whichever side of the line they are standing.
If the thicko`s want to burn books, let em, print some more and ignore them.
It`s the media picking up on the story as if it`s news that causes the problems.
... and flag burners?
... and effigy burners?
In this enlightened internet age, why be so prissy just about book burners?
You say that Gnv, but the book burning part stick's in my throut, yet I care not a jot about flag buring :dunno:
I can only imagine it due to this;
or
A hundred years before the advent of Hitler, the German-Jewish poet, Heinrich Heine, had declared: "Wherever books are burned, human beings are destined to be burned too."
Orgasminator
I still believe that this sort of act is purely designed to send a message of hate. It only works because of the reaction he knows it will cause. But if his message never gets past his own front gate then there's no reaction.
He can burn what he wants, just don't give him the satisfaction of spreading his vile message. Treat it as the unevent that it actually is. And by doing that it becomes that. The more publicity this act gets the bigger the backlash. That's the real story. That's what he wants to see happen. Deny him his spotlight.
He can burn what he wants, just don't give him the satisfaction of spreading his vile message. Treat it as the unevent that it actually is. And by doing that it becomes that. The more publicity this act gets the bigger the backlash. That's the real story. That's what he wants to see happen. Deny him his spotlight.
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Not sure what else to say, have a read of the link below
i have been following this on an american politics forum.
There are a number of Patreus has already said these people are endangering co alition lives in have been demonstations ,bombings and there will be more.
Secondly ,book burning WTF!
Never,no , under no historical resonance quite apart from the fact no knowledge should be dystroyed!
Now i have made my stance clear here before, i do not believe in absolute free members of a society we give up our right to be total twunts in order that society as a whole can function.
These guys are some people are planning a counter American flag burning across the road,the riot should be fun!
I new there had to be some thing we would agree on one day :giggle:
Sex God
burning any religious book is a criminal waste of good toilet paper.... soft strong and very long
Sex God
Quote by GnV
I think that all book burners are ignorant, whichever side of the line they are standing.
If the thicko`s want to burn books, let em, print some more and ignore them.
It`s the media picking up on the story as if it`s news that causes the problems.
... and flag burners?
... and effigy burners?
In this enlightened internet age, why be so prissy just about book burners?
exactly gnv
let the whole thing pass without fuss and it'll go away
you know what they say give an idiot an audience and all that
Can't see a problem with it.
If it was the Bible he was going to burn, there would not be all this bollox.
IF America really is this wonderful place for free speech, then they should let him go ahead with it.
Free speech? Yes of course there is until someone complains about it.
At least his church numbers will now increase no doubt, and it has certainly put him on the map.
" The other part of the conundrum is the fact that the tolerance America and Christians throughout the West extend to other religions is not reflected back.
For instance, there are no Christian churches or symbols allowed in Saudi Arabia, where possession of a Bible is a criminal offence. Bibles are confiscated, shredded and, yes, burned by the Saudi authorities.
Across parts of the Muslim world, every day is Burn-A-Bible Day. Christians are routinely persecuted and murdered for practising their religion. Under the more extreme interpretations of Islam, the punishment for any Muslim who converts to Christianity is death ".
Or is it that two wrongs do not make a right?
Why is it that so many people are so scared and fearful of upsetting one particular religious group? If it was anything to do with Christianity nobody would be batting a fecking eyelid!
If it was the Bible he was going to burn, there would not be all this bollox.
IF America really is this wonderful place for free speech, then they should let him go ahead with it.
Free speech? Yes of course there is until someone complains about it.
At least his church numbers will now increase no doubt, and it has certainly put him on the map.
" The other part of the conundrum is the fact that the tolerance America and Christians throughout the West extend to other religions is not reflected back.
For instance, there are no Christian churches or symbols allowed in Saudi Arabia, where possession of a Bible is a criminal offence. Bibles are confiscated, shredded and, yes, burned by the Saudi authorities.
Across parts of the Muslim world, every day is Burn-A-Bible Day. Christians are routinely persecuted and murdered for practising their religion. Under the more extreme interpretations of Islam, the punishment for any Muslim who converts to Christianity is death ".
Or is it that two wrongs do not make a right?
Why is it that so many people are so scared and fearful of upsetting one particular religious group? If it was anything to do with Christianity nobody would be batting a fecking eyelid!
Sex God
Plans on hold!
