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I am talking about modern motor cars, not trucks.
Are you saying trucks have not made modern technological advances and are still based on old technology?
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Quote by essex34m
I am talking about modern motor cars, not trucks.
Are you saying trucks have not made modern technological advances and are still based on old technology?
modern cars are not made to last im afraid
Quote by Lizaleanrob
I am talking about modern motor cars, not trucks.
Are you saying trucks have not made modern technological advances and are still based on old technology?
modern cars are not made to last im afraid
Actually, I have just realised how I read that one and cocked it up.
As you were.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I can not give you the exact faults they are encountering as it is not my field. The only thing I can say is I have heard the same thing from 3 separate sources with no interaction between them. I have no reason to disbelieve them
Beyond this I can not say :giveup:
I will give you a reason. A lot of human beings are not only dumb but gullible and prepared to spread all sorts of twaddle as informed opinion. Even I have been known to do it. Mebbe your informants came from such a group.
Oh and you now have 4 friends who are diesel experts which must be a world record.
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Quote by essex34m
I am talking about modern motor cars, not trucks.
Are you saying trucks have not made modern technological advances and are still based on old technology?
No
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
I can not give you the exact faults they are encountering as it is not my field. The only thing I can say is I have heard the same thing from 3 separate sources with no interaction between them. I have no reason to disbelieve them
Beyond this I can not say :giveup:
I will give you a reason. A lot of human beings are not only dumb but gullible and prepared to spread all sorts of twaddle as informed opinion. Even I have been known to do it. Mebbe your informants came from such a group.
Oh and you now have 4 friends who are diesel experts which must be a world record.
Your reason falls short, i know all are not gullible. I respect the oppinoin of at least 2 of the persons
I only metioned 3, not 4, but will check to see if this is a record
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Quote by Ben_Minx
The only evidence of their gullibility and twaddle spreading is your post. I have nothing else on which to base an opinion.
Supermarket fuel does not damage engines unless you put the black spout in a green hole or vice versa.
In your view
Mine differs :thumbup:
I will use the fuel I choose, you use yours :thumbup: good luck with that
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Quote by Ben_Minx
I am of course prepared to reconsider my position in the light of any new evidence.
Oh and theres loads more twaddle spread about engine oils, christ I could write a book based on teh bollocks the oil companies spout.
I will be the first to read that book Ben, with great interest. But i will still compare it to the words of those who I trust
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Hang on you live in a rural area surely its all red diesel anyway and the supermarkets dont sell that.
Technically I live in an urban area Ben, 90 % of the fuel I use is from Tescos, as it is cheap! My vehicle is old, so have no issues with the supermarket fuel.
I would never dream of using any red in my vehicle :twisted: even though I drive many miles off road
I did grow up rural but could not afford to live their, as could none of my peers, I visit the village I grew up in and recognise only a few! :sad:
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I did grow up rural but could not afford to live their, as could none of my peers, I visit the village I grew up in and recognise only a few! :sad:
It is a terrible thing. I believe deeply and fiercely that something needs to be done to stop rural communities becoming the playgrounds for the wealthy.
Quote by Ben_Minx
I did grow up rural but could not afford to live their, as could none of my peers, I visit the village I grew up in and recognise only a few! :sad:
It is a terrible thing. I believe deeply and fiercely that something needs to be done to stop rural communities becoming the playgrounds for the wealthy.
It always has been Ben. Look at Sherwood and other forest areas. It was the lords and ladies only
Dave_Notts
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Quote by Ben_Minx
Supermarket fuel does not damage engines unless you put the black spout in a green hole or vice versa.
:thumbup:
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Quote by Bluefish2009
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....
I agree you should
Research by the Countryside Alliance revealed the average monthly fuel cost for Selby residents is , and for those living in Hambleton, while the average monthly cost to people living in local authorities was in November.
Also;
Last week, 116 MPs signed a motion calling for the Government to abandon the 3p rise in duty planned for January and the 5p rise scheduled for August 2012. But the Chancellor has not buckled under the pressure from his peers.
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Another one of those that makes me wonder how on earth anyone works out these figures. I live in town I do what I consider local commuting once daily to and from work about 7 miles total and thats my biggest journey. Anything else I do is not normally more than a 3-5 min drive. I drive a fairly modern small car which is reported to be good on fuel. I put in minimum of 25 quid a week and reckon its more like 30 putting me way over the so called averages. Consider small engine and I'm not doing many miles I think the figures are up the spout somewhere. I always fall short of the national average 12000 miles as well
Quote by Ben_Minx
I did grow up rural but could not afford to live their, as could none of my peers, I visit the village I grew up in and recognise only a few! :sad:
It is a terrible thing. I believe deeply and fiercely that something needs to be done to stop rural communities becoming the playgrounds for the wealthy.
Historically the rich live where they like and the poor.....er move to suit them. Its been the case for hundreads of years. When the rich decide its cool to live in town by the harbour the poor move to the rural areas. When the rich decide they want a country shack the poor move back to the harbourside
Saw a historical presentation in our city of Bristol that demonstrated this on a map with a timeline. Quote by Dave__Notts
It always has been Ben. Look at Sherwood and other forest areas. It was the lords and ladies only
also are most manors and mansions not set in the countryside? most of those have been there for hundreds of yeers and i do not beleeve for a moment that any poor peeple ever owned any of those houses.
we get back onto the same subject again about rich versus poor. the poor always scoff at the rich and the rich do not care what the poor think. but without the rich would the poor reely be that better off? i somehow doubt it.
like anything in life if peeple want to live in better rural comunities there is always going to be a price to pay. why they should have cheeper fuel because of that i cannot understand than someone who lives in a city.
maybe if the goverments were not so greedy in there collection of fuel taxation, and we have seen some examples of figures in this thred, then the obscene amounts they take as tax should be lowered. it raises inflation as with high fuel prices everything is passed down onto the is what they should tackle,:notes:
I'm no expert (I wonder who will be the first to highlight that bit in a quote) but isn't there an issue with the actual make-up of diesel fuel these days?
As I understand it, there is now a significant amount of 'bio' content which is not event oil derivative and unless care is taken, the fuel 'decays' quite rapidly making starting more difficult.
For example. With my tractor, I have been told to always fill the tank up to almost the top after each use to exclude air and light in order to prevent the 'growth' of fungus in the fuel which reduces it's efficiency.
Or is that an urban myth?
BTW, up to the end of October, it was possible to buy 'red' at one local rural garage but the French Government in their ever infinite wisdom have now pulled the plug on 'red' - Gasoil Non Routiere - and you can't now get it from normal retail outlets. I've been told the next best thing is to use heating oil (which is cheaper anyway) but I doubt that would work in the more modern diesel engine which may be tuned to accept the bio fuels as standard. The suggested alternative is 'white' diesel - the one with all the tax on it. I somehow don't see the French farmers going for that one. They obviously have their alternative already in place (so I must find out what it is) because there is no talk of massive strikes against the withdrawal of 'red'.
Is it more expensive to harvest the crops from which the bio content of fuel is derived (as opposed to the process of refining diesel from crude) and if not, why is the price of diesel still so high?
I listened with interest to one MP last week on SkyNews who suggested that users of diesel cars benefited anyway because the fuel is more efficient than petrol and, not only do you get a better MPG but the car lasts longer too.
It's difficult to know who to believe these days.
As I understand it, there is now a significant amount of 'bio' content which is not event oil derivative and unless care is taken, the fuel 'decays' quite rapidly making starting more difficult.
For example. With my tractor, I have been told to always fill the tank up to almost the top after each use to exclude air and light in order to prevent the 'growth' of fungus in the fuel which reduces it's efficiency.
Or is that an urban myth?
BTW, up to the end of October, it was possible to buy 'red' at one local rural garage but the French Government in their ever infinite wisdom have now pulled the plug on 'red' - Gasoil Non Routiere - and you can't now get it from normal retail outlets. I've been told the next best thing is to use heating oil (which is cheaper anyway) but I doubt that would work in the more modern diesel engine which may be tuned to accept the bio fuels as standard. The suggested alternative is 'white' diesel - the one with all the tax on it. I somehow don't see the French farmers going for that one. They obviously have their alternative already in place (so I must find out what it is) because there is no talk of massive strikes against the withdrawal of 'red'.
Is it more expensive to harvest the crops from which the bio content of fuel is derived (as opposed to the process of refining diesel from crude) and if not, why is the price of diesel still so high?
I listened with interest to one MP last week on SkyNews who suggested that users of diesel cars benefited anyway because the fuel is more efficient than petrol and, not only do you get a better MPG but the car lasts longer too.
It's difficult to know who to believe these days.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
The only evidence of their gullibility and twaddle spreading is your post. I have nothing else on which to base an opinion.
Supermarket fuel does not damage engines unless you put the black spout in a green hole or vice versa.
unless you take this incident into account ben :jagsatwork:
and by the way you cant get the black nozzel in the green hole ...........you can however get the green nozzel in the black hole different sizes you see
Sex God
Quote by GnV
I'm no expert (I wonder who will be the first to highlight that bit in a quote) but isn't there an issue with the actual make-up of diesel fuel these days?
As I understand it, there is now a significant amount of 'bio' content which is not event oil derivative and unless care is taken, the fuel 'decays' quite rapidly making starting more difficult.
For example. With my tractor, I have been told to always fill the tank up to almost the top after each use to exclude air and light in order to prevent the 'growth' of fungus in the fuel which reduces it's efficiency.
Or is that an urban myth?
BTW, up to the end of October, it was possible to buy 'red' at one local rural garage but the French Government in their ever infinite wisdom have now pulled the plug on 'red' - Gasoil Non Routiere - and you can't now get it from normal retail outlets. I've been told the next best thing is to use heating oil (which is cheaper anyway) but I doubt that would work in the more modern diesel engine which may be tuned to accept the bio fuels as standard. The suggested alternative is 'white' diesel - the one with all the tax on it. I somehow don't see the French farmers going for that one. They obviously have their alternative already in place (so I must find out what it is) because there is no talk of massive strikes against the withdrawal of 'red'.
Is it more expensive to harvest the crops from which the bio content of fuel is derived (as opposed to the process of refining diesel from crude) and if not, why is the price of diesel still so high?
I listened with interest to one MP last week on SkyNews who suggested that users of diesel cars benefited anyway because the fuel is more efficient than petrol and, not only do you get a better MPG but the car lasts longer too.
It's difficult to know who to believe these days.
It sure is
As I understand it, from what I hear, that damage can occur to derv engines from the silicone added as anti foaming agents and lubricant. If one looks around the Internet there is info from both sides of the argument. For me however, when you hear it from the horse's mouth, from people who work on the engines every day and have no axe to grind, it sways your judgment to that side of the argument. I guess they could be completely wrong, but rarely is ther smoke without fire.
Petrol has had varying amounts of alcohol added to it. Alcohol in the fuel can damage the rubber components in the fuel system. Because of this, people who fly light aircraft have to be very careful where they purchase there fuel from!
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Quote by starlightcouple
It always has been Ben. Look at Sherwood and other forest areas. It was the lords and ladies only
also are most manors and mansions not set in the countryside? most of those have been there for hundreds of yeers and i do not beleeve for a moment that any poor peeple ever owned any of those houses.
we get back onto the same subject again about rich versus poor. the poor always scoff at the rich and the rich do not care what the poor think. but without the rich would the poor reely be that better off? i somehow doubt it.
like anything in life if peeple want to live in better rural comunities there is always going to be a price to pay. why they should have cheeper fuel because of that i cannot understand than someone who lives in a city.
maybe if the goverments were not so greedy in there collection of fuel taxation, and we have seen some examples of figures in this thred, then the obscene amounts they take as tax should be lowered. it raises inflation as with high fuel prices everything is passed down onto the is what they should tackle,:notes:
To put in there hoarse boxes to hunt foxes of coarse
I dont think they want cheaper fuel, just the same price as else where I think.
Where is the most expensive petrol in the UK?
The quick answer is that the most expensive petrol is often in Stornoway or the Isle of Lewis.
To find the most expensive petrol in the UK you tend to have to look at the more rural areas, generally if you find yourself in a remote part of the countryside with only a couple of independant garages to choose from then you can expect to pay a lot more for your petrol. However some rural places are more expensive that others, for example Stornoway on the Isle of Lewis in Scotland boasts (?) a price of 148p/Litre in July 2011 which was a whopping 12p a litre more than the national average and the Shetland Isle prices were breaching 1 pound fifty for unleaded petrol. At the same time the prices in Snowdon national part were only 5p more expensive than the national average.
Why do some places have expensive petrol?
The rural petrol prices may be high because there is a captive market there and so the fuel stations can easily extract more money from the motorist who doesn't have any other choice. However it is far more likely that a combination of higher overheads and lack of negotiating power with the oil companies is the real culprits.
The more remote petrol stations also tend to suffer from a low volume of customers so their overheads as a proportion of sales are much much higher than a petrol station on a busy A-road. They also tend not to pick up as much 'cross-selling' of products such as snacks and groceries thus eating into their profit margins further.
In the case of Stornoway and the Shetland Isles the expensive petrol can probably be explained by all these factors and also by the fact that the petrol has to be transported across water.
Read more: Expensive Petrol - Where is the Most Expensive Petrol in the UK?
Quote by Bluefish2009
As I understand it, from what I hear, that damage can occur to derv engines from the silicone added as anti foaming agents and lubricant. If one looks around the Internet there is info from both sides of the argument. For me however, when you hear it from the horse's mouth, from people who work on the engines every day and have no axe to grind, it sways your judgment to that side of the argument. I guess they could be completely wrong, but rarely is ther smoke without fire.
6cv (horses) in my case and the likely sound will be the engine dying :lol2:
In the case of a diesel engine, there is unlikely to be a fire, but plenty of smoke!
Quote by Blue
Petrol has had varying amounts of alcohol added to it. Alcohol in the fuel can damage the rubber components in the fuel system. Because of this, people who fly light aircraft have to be very careful where they purchase there fuel from!
You may be referring to the microlight or less regulated class where MOGAS (motor spirit) is permitted. Such fuel is not in any way permitted in normally licensed light aircraft under CAA rules where AVGAS is the only product permitted. This fuel is sampled every day and very tightly controlled. The refining process is by far and away more stringent that the requirement for motor spirit.
Can't have aircraft falling out of the sky now, can we
Sex God
Quote by GnV
As I understand it, from what I hear, that damage can occur to derv engines from the silicone added as anti foaming agents and lubricant. If one looks around the Internet there is info from both sides of the argument. For me however, when you hear it from the horse's mouth, from people who work on the engines every day and have no axe to grind, it sways your judgment to that side of the argument. I guess they could be completely wrong, but rarely is ther smoke without fire.
6cv (horses) in my case and the likely sound will be the engine dying :lol2:
In the case of a diesel engine, there is unlikely to be a fire, but plenty of smoke!
Quote by Blue
Petrol has had varying amounts of alcohol added to it. Alcohol in the fuel can damage the rubber components in the fuel system. Because of this, people who fly light aircraft have to be very careful where they purchase there fuel from!
You may be referring to the microlight or less regulated class where MOGAS (motor spirit) is permitted. Such fuel is not in any way permitted in normally licensed light aircraft under CAA rules where AVGAS is the only product permitted. This fuel is sampled every day and very tightly controlled. The refining process is by far and away more stringent that the requirement for motor spirit.
Can't have aircraft falling out of the sky now, can we
That sounds about right, it was while talking to chaps from the glider club, they do fly all sorts out of their including microlight
Sex God
Quote by GnV
modern cars are not made to last im afraid
I can agree with that. I have a 1962 diesel David Brown tractor and if I poured old filtered chip pan oil in it, I'm sure it would still run...
Not so sure my 2004 diesel Opel Astra would though.
Ah yes, that was how many tractors looked in my youth. I remeber them well
