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Can we sustain the kind of rises we are currently facing with fuel prices?
Last week the AA revealed that drivers in the UK face the third highest diesel prices in Europe -- with nearly 60 per cent going to the Treasury, while in Yorkshire, the average price of a litre of petrol has risen in the last year from to , while diesel has risen from to
Thirsk and Malton MP Anne McIntosh, chairman of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs select committee, is pushing a campaign for lower fuel prices.
She wants the proposed 1p inflation increase on duty, postponed in April and due to come into force in January, to be held back. Ms McIntosh is also calling for a rural rebate of 5p a litre -- currently proposed for the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Northern Isles, the islands in the Clyde and the Isles of Scilly -- to be extended to North Yorkshire.

Pump prices have two major components, raw material, refining and shipping can be lumped together as one, then there is the duty as the other.
Oil is become more scarce, as stuff becomes more scarce the price goes up !! Don't think it'll ever come back down to any large extent, refining and shipping costs are unlikely to fall.
As to the duty, it serves the Gov very well to have high duty, gives them lots of revenue, also means less cars on the road, so less road repairs, traffic jams etc. So I predict the Gov will make only token reductions, if any, to the duty in the forseeable future.
Why should the rich worry that the poor can't afford to run their cars ?
John
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Pump prices have two major components, raw material, refining and shipping can be lumped together as one, then there is the duty as the other.
Oil is become more scarce, as stuff becomes more scarce the price goes up !! Don't think it'll ever come back down to any large extent, refining and shipping costs are unlikely to fall.
As to the duty, it serves the Gov very well to have high duty, gives them lots of revenue, also means less cars on the road, so less road repairs, traffic jams etc. So I predict the Gov will make only token reductions, if any, to the duty in the forseeable future.
Why should the rich worry that the poor can't afford to run their cars ?
John

there is enough estimated oil in one area of north america to keep america self reliant for the next 20,000 years
the only hurdle is finding a way of extracting it from shale wink
Quote by Steve
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....

Dont buy cheep fuel!!
forgive my age, no really, I am an old git and I need you to make an allowance for me ok boink
So how much does all that per litre prices quoted make it for a gallon ? last time I checked it was approaching £2 a gallon and everyone was up in arms about it, did it pass that stage ?
Quote by MidsCouple24
forgive my age, no really, I am an old git and I need you to make an allowance for me ok boink
So how much does all that per litre prices quoted make it for a gallon ? last time I checked it was approaching £2 a gallon and everyone was up in arms about it, did it pass that stage ?

It is about a ltr for derv round here, approx 4.5 ltrs to gallon
x 4.5 = ish per a gallon, if my maths serve me
Ouch, so it has passed the £2 a gallon then, I kinda guessed it had because that was a long time ago, but if I am honest I would't have expected it to be more than £4 a gallon.
I drive less than 3000 miles a year and when I do drive it is because I want to therefore I do tend to ignore the price, I smoke and will not go without my ciggies so I dont ask how much they cost and I rarely drink so on the few occasions I do I dont ask the price, in everything else I try to economise and save money when I can, cash in on coupons and am very thrifty, and if you believe that you will believe anything, the heating here is set at 26 degrees and if it gets too hot I open a window, there are probably lights on in 9 rooms of the house that I am not in and most of them are on for about 12 hours a day, I wish I could control myself better but, sod it, I just can't be bothered, oh and I overshop so am forever throwing food away because it is out of date.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Ouch, so it has passed the £2 a gallon then, I kinda guessed it had because that was a long time ago, but if I am honest I would't have expected it to be more than £4 a gallon.
I drive less than 3000 miles a year and when I do drive it is because I want to therefore I do tend to ignore the price, I smoke and will not go without my ciggies so I dont ask how much they cost and I rarely drink so on the few occasions I do I dont ask the price, in everything else I try to economise and save money when I can, cash in on coupons and am very thrifty, and if you believe that you will believe anything, the heating here is set at 26 degrees and if it gets too hot I open a window, there are probably lights on in 9 rooms of the house that I am not in and most of them are on for about 12 hours a day, I wish I could control myself better but, sod it, I just can't be bothered, oh and I overshop so am forever throwing food away because it is out of date.

My fuel bill for my business alone was just over £6, for the last financial year :jagsatwork:
Quote by MidsCouple24
Ouch, so it has passed the £2 a gallon then, I kinda guessed it had because that was a long time ago, but if I am honest I would't have expected it to be more than £4 a gallon.
I drive less than 3000 miles a year and when I do drive it is because I want to therefore I do tend to ignore the price, I smoke and will not go without my ciggies so I dont ask how much they cost and I rarely drink so on the few occasions I do I dont ask the price, in everything else I try to economise and save money when I can, cash in on coupons and am very thrifty, and if you believe that you will believe anything, the heating here is set at 26 degrees and if it gets too hot I open a window, there are probably lights on in 9 rooms of the house that I am not in and most of them are on for about 12 hours a day, I wish I could control myself better but, sod it, I just can't be bothered, oh and I overshop so am forever throwing food away because it is out of date.

I'm curious - are you boasting?
I think that for every £25 worth of fuel, £15 is tax
Quote by Too Hot
I think that for every £25 worth of fuel, £15 is tax

Yes, I remember a similar fugue being quoted to me once before, It was for every £1 you put in the tank 80p of that was tax and duty. not sure how accurate that was/is
The thing that's hacking me off at the moment is the price differential between diesel and petrol. Not that long ago, diesel was cheaper than petrol but then diesel cars became more popular and suddenly diesel was more expensive. For some time, the differential has been around 5p per litre but suddenly this week, all the garages around here have increased the differential to 8p per litre. Does anyone have any idea as to why this may be...other than blatant profiteering?
No I am quite ashamed of my wastefullness to be honest but I liken it to the Billionaire who probably doesn't know what the price of his limousine is, I am not well off but I see my fuel costs as necessary and am lucky enough for them to be very low (around £10 a fortnight is what I usually fill up with) so I don't actually check what I am getting for my £10 and it's the same with my ciggies and alcohol, I know they are dearer at the garage or corner shop but when I need them I buy them it's just life.
I suspect part of it is that I don't really want to know cos it's quite scary when you think about it
Quote by Bluefish2009
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....

Dont buy cheep fuel!!

Morrisons.....Tesco's.....Asda....
They all take their fuel from the same great big storage facility as BP.....Shell.....Texaco.....Jet......
Quote by Steve
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....

Dont buy cheep fuel!!

Morrisons.....Tesco's.....Asda....
They all take their fuel from the same great big storage facility as BP.....Shell.....Texaco.....Jet......
I know what you are saying, but when/if you get the chance, have a chat with a mechanic who works on modern diesel engines.... I know several who do, and due to the amount of repairs they have to do on a regular basis to engines run on supermarket fuel, they will not buy it any longer.
I replaced my van a week ago, I have done 1300 miles since then, so a reduction would be appreciated. Average price round here is 141.9 a litre for diesel, a couple of garages (BP on the A11) in the region are offering diesel at 146.9 per litre.
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I replaced my van a week ago, I have done 1300 miles since then, <snip>
Maybe a satnav would help? :giggle:
Quote by Steve
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....

I agree you should
Research by the Countryside Alliance revealed the average monthly fuel cost for Selby residents is , and for those living in Hambleton, while the average monthly cost to people living in local authorities was in November.

Also;
Last week, 116 MPs signed a motion calling for the Government to abandon the 3p rise in duty planned for January and the 5p rise scheduled for August 2012. But the Chancellor has not buckled under the pressure from his peers.
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Quote by Bluefish2009
Research by the Countryside Alliance revealed the average monthly fuel cost for Selby residents is , and for those living in Hambleton, while the average monthly cost to people living in local authorities was in November.

So the buggers are whining about an extra wait for it £120 a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The mind boggles.
Quote by Ben_Minx

Research by the Countryside Alliance revealed the average monthly fuel cost for Selby residents is , and for those living in Hambleton, while the average monthly cost to people living in local authorities was in November.

So the buggers are whining about an extra wait for it £120 a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The mind boggles.
When you refer to "the buggers" would that be the people of Selby?
I would sugest that £120 will be a lot of money for some
30p a day.
I can understand the weasels of westminser bleating on about the cost of fuel in rural areas to curry favour but when we the people fall for it we deserve a slap.
Quote by Ben_Minx
30p a day.
I can understand the weasels of westminser bleating on about the cost of fuel in rural areas to curry favour but when we the people fall for it we deserve a slap.

I write as some one driven out of the countryside, to live in town, due to the high housing and travel costs.
I guess that makes me one of your bleeters/buggers
Quote by Bluefish2009
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....

Dont buy cheep fuel!!

Morrisons.....Tesco's.....Asda....
They all take their fuel from the same great big storage facility as BP.....Shell.....Texaco.....Jet......
I know what you are saying, but when/if you get the chance, have a chat with a mechanic who works on modern diesel engines.... I know several who do, and due to the amount of repairs they have to do on a regular basis to engines run on supermarket fuel, they will not buy it any longer.
I am (and have been for 25 yrs) a diesel mechanic :-)
Quote by Steve
He wants a rebate to be applied to North Yorkshire !!
Prices are the same here in the West Midlands (and that's at the supermarkets which are the cheapest round here) .....
So by that standard then we ought to be looking for a 5p rebate.....

Dont buy cheep fuel!!

Morrisons.....Tesco's.....Asda....
They all take their fuel from the same great big storage facility as BP.....Shell.....Texaco.....Jet......
I know what you are saying, but when/if you get the chance, have a chat with a mechanic who works on modern diesel engines.... I know several who do, and due to the amount of repairs they have to do on a regular basis to engines run on supermarket fuel, they will not buy it any longer.
I am (and have been for 25 yrs) a diesel mechanic :-)
And you have not encountered any problems resulting from supermarket fuel?
I live in snowdonia. I too have to spend more on fuel than urban dwellers. My nearest pizza hut is a 50 mile round trip for example. I also get the odd compensation. Not just the quality of life but the fact is that quite a lot of things cost a lot less. I have never paid less for things like tradesmen and mechanics for instance.
The fuel duty in rural areas makes me cross cos its simply weasel words from politicians. I dislike it when folk sign up to such clap trap. I would suggest that the countryside alliance in particular need to get a grip and focus on real rural issues more than being the a mouthpiece for politicians.
What are their views on the closure of post offices by the way? That's a really big issue round here n really buggers people up.
Quote by Ben_Minx
I live in snowdonia. I too have to spend more on fuel than urban dwellers. My nearest pizza hut is a 50 mile round trip for example. I also get the odd compensation. Not just the quality of life but the fact is that quite a lot of things cost a lot less. I have never paid less for things like tradesmen and mechanics for instance.
The fuel duty in rural areas makes me cross cos its simply weasel words from politicians. I dislike it when folk sign up to such clap trap. I would suggest that the countryside alliance in particular need to get a grip and focus on real rural issues more than being the a mouthpiece for politicians.
What are their views on the closure of post offices by the way? That's a really big issue round here n really buggers people up.

like any business if its not viable then it has to go dunno
as you can buy stamps in most places ben its pointless keeping it open
most pensions benefits ect are now paid direct into bank accounts so i cant see the problem
Quote by Ben_Minx
I live in snowdonia. I too have to spend more on fuel than urban dwellers. My nearest pizza hut is a 50 mile round trip for example. I also get the odd compensation. Not just the quality of life but the fact is that quite a lot of things cost a lot less. I have never paid less for things like tradesmen and mechanics for instance.
The fuel duty in rural areas makes me cross cos its simply weasel words from politicians. I dislike it when folk sign up to such clap trap. I would suggest that the countryside alliance in particular need to get a grip and focus on real rural issues more than being the a mouthpiece for politicians.
What are their views on the closure of post offices by the way? That's a really big issue round here n really buggers people up.

You are lucky you can still afford to live in such a wonderfull area, others can not afford to. Sorry to talk such claptrap
The countryside alliance is very active on all aspects relating to the countryside




Quote by Bluefish2009
And you have not encountered any problems resulting from supermarket fuel?

Nope....
We look after fleets of trucks that do upwards of 200,000km per year and they suffer no adverse effects at all....
Quote by Steve

And you have not encountered any problems resulting from supermarket fuel?

Nope....
We look after fleets of trucks that do upwards of 200,000km per year and they suffer no adverse effects at all....
I am talking about modern motor cars, not trucks.
I can not give you the exact faults they are encountering as it is not my field. The only thing I can say is I have heard the same thing from 3 separate sources with no interaction between them. I have no reason to disbelieve them
Beyond this I can not say :giveup: