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Hi
have you actually looked at the twin towers footage? if so what the hell is stuck underneath that plane, i have never seen anything like that on any public commercial plane.
|Where is the pentagon planes wreckage? where is the hole in the ground the plane would have left? How come Kennedy accidently got killed not long after his famous speech where he claimed he was going to dismantle the cia as he believed a secret society within a government was the opposite to democrocy? Please look at the plane footage of the towers and then tell me there was nothing strapped to that plane. Please look at the aftermath footage of the pentagon and tell me you honestly believe an aroplane crashed there but left not even a bean can size piece of debris. the other plane that came down somewhere in Pensylvania again left no crater only a scorch mark on the ground and again no debris. Anyone reading this please look at the footage closely and then comment on this.
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Hello again
people are quick to take the p**s
but have you actually looked at the footage? Guess not or you would have said yes i see the object strapped to the underside of the plane but i dont know what it is. I believe if its not a bomb its an AWACS flight controller (a remote control device). If you look at the footage and say all looks ok then next time i fly abroad im going to look underneath the plane and guess what? i will not see anything that resembles what is strapped to that plane that hit the twin tower. Ive spoken to people who are quick to rubbish this proof and when you ask them have they seen the footage they reply no. If its not a bomb, or an AWACS flight controller.....you tell me what it is or could be. And while i got your brin thinking...where is the plane wreckage from the other two planes and also the impact craters. Dont be small minded enough to ridicule it with toon nonsense answer the questions seriously.
people are quick to take the p**s
but have you actually looked at the footage? Guess not or you would have said yes i see the object strapped to the underside of the plane but i dont know what it is. I believe if its not a bomb its an AWACS flight controller (a remote control device). If you look at the footage and say all looks ok then next time i fly abroad im going to look underneath the plane and guess what? i will not see anything that resembles what is strapped to that plane that hit the twin tower. Ive spoken to people who are quick to rubbish this proof and when you ask them have they seen the footage they reply no. If its not a bomb, or an AWACS flight controller.....you tell me what it is or could be. And while i got your brin thinking...where is the plane wreckage from the other two planes and also the impact craters. Dont be small minded enough to ridicule it with toon nonsense answer the questions seriously.
Sorry for mocking.. i'm just a jaded net user, who has seen every 9/11 conspiracy there is, I have also taken the time to read page after page of experts debunking every 9/11 conspiracy there is.
So when I see yet another..'hurr durr 9/11, govments did it' post or thread I cant help but laugh.
May i suggest you google 9/11 debunked.
Again, I'm sorry.
So when I see yet another..'hurr durr 9/11, govments did it' post or thread I cant help but laugh.
May i suggest you google 9/11 debunked.
Again, I'm sorry.
hi
ive been on the 911 debunk site before but how come you believe in that....with no evidence from the debunkers yet you totally dismiss evidence in front of your eyes. Still no answer about whats under that plane. If it was not a set up.....what the hell is an american airlines plane doing with something attatched to its belly? People say the american government would not sacrifice thousands of lives in a twin tower disaster yet year after year they sacrifice tens of thousands of its troops (vietnam for instance). the "New world order" speeches have come from Hitler,Bush senior, Bush junior, obama, tony blair and gordon brown. Why do you think they bailed the banks out? Its was not to help joe public, the New Labour Project (if it had joe publics interest at heart)would have given the billions to joe public to pay off his/her debs to the bank. But instead choose to give it to the banks to keep us in debt. WHY? Also why was the bank of england funding the nazi party and allowed to do so during world war 2, look this up its fact not fiction. The truth is were all slaves to the elite and one last question....how come all of the elite are members of free mason lodges who practice occult rituals? everything ive said is fact...video footage to proove, but debunkers get believed with no evidence only the words of so called experts whom nobody ever heared about or are on the elites payroll. Where is our free democratic society gone? Why cant you protest without being labelled yobs, antisocial, trouble makers etc? after all this supposed to be a free democratic country. what a joke. the reason is the elite wants joe public to believe these are troublemakers. and guess what....people do....thats why i call joe public cattle. If we all stood tegether with these protesters then the freedom we deserve would still be there.
ive been on the 911 debunk site before but how come you believe in that....with no evidence from the debunkers yet you totally dismiss evidence in front of your eyes. Still no answer about whats under that plane. If it was not a set up.....what the hell is an american airlines plane doing with something attatched to its belly? People say the american government would not sacrifice thousands of lives in a twin tower disaster yet year after year they sacrifice tens of thousands of its troops (vietnam for instance). the "New world order" speeches have come from Hitler,Bush senior, Bush junior, obama, tony blair and gordon brown. Why do you think they bailed the banks out? Its was not to help joe public, the New Labour Project (if it had joe publics interest at heart)would have given the billions to joe public to pay off his/her debs to the bank. But instead choose to give it to the banks to keep us in debt. WHY? Also why was the bank of england funding the nazi party and allowed to do so during world war 2, look this up its fact not fiction. The truth is were all slaves to the elite and one last question....how come all of the elite are members of free mason lodges who practice occult rituals? everything ive said is fact...video footage to proove, but debunkers get believed with no evidence only the words of so called experts whom nobody ever heared about or are on the elites payroll. Where is our free democratic society gone? Why cant you protest without being labelled yobs, antisocial, trouble makers etc? after all this supposed to be a free democratic country. what a joke. the reason is the elite wants joe public to believe these are troublemakers. and guess what....people do....thats why i call joe public cattle. If we all stood tegether with these protesters then the freedom we deserve would still be there.
hi
reading your reply im guessing you aint even seen the footage otherwise you wouldnt have answered the way you did. If you cannot bother to look for yourselves why comment. everyone i have showed the footage too agrees there is something strapped to that plane. yet some people are quick to ridicule without seeing it for themselves. If there was nothing strapped to that plane do you think id make a knob of myself knowing youd look and see nothing. look first then open your mouth. i dont mean to sound aggressive its simple....go and research the footage and you will see im telling you the truth. i dont know what it is but it is there. i got my reasons why the elite ordered 911 and ill give you a clue. elite/banks/trade centre/documents(paperwork files) come on its obvious
reading your reply im guessing you aint even seen the footage otherwise you wouldnt have answered the way you did. If you cannot bother to look for yourselves why comment. everyone i have showed the footage too agrees there is something strapped to that plane. yet some people are quick to ridicule without seeing it for themselves. If there was nothing strapped to that plane do you think id make a knob of myself knowing youd look and see nothing. look first then open your mouth. i dont mean to sound aggressive its simple....go and research the footage and you will see im telling you the truth. i dont know what it is but it is there. i got my reasons why the elite ordered 911 and ill give you a clue. elite/banks/trade centre/documents(paperwork files) come on its obvious
Quote by Louise4Darren
hi
reading your reply im guessing you aint even seen the footage otherwise you wouldnt have answered the way you did. If you cannot bother to look for yourselves why comment. everyone i have showed the footage too agrees there is something strapped to that plane. yet some people are quick to ridicule without seeing it for themselves. If there was nothing strapped to that plane do you think id make a knob of myself knowing youd look and see nothing. look first then open your mouth. i dont mean to sound aggressive its simple....go and research the footage and you will see im telling you the truth. i dont know what it is but it is there. i got my reasons why the elite ordered 911 and ill give you a clue. elite/banks/trade centre/documents(paperwork files) come on its obvious
Please post the link to the footage you state shows a bomb "strapped to the plane" as you said you have showed it others.
Sex God
firstly i`m pretty sure the fuel in the plane was ample so no need for a bomb really
secondly why would the goverment want try to control us with micro chip when they already have a better system in place its called the benefit system
secondly why would the goverment want try to control us with micro chip when they already have a better system in place its called the benefit system
Quote by Lizaleanrob
firstly i`m pretty sure the fuel in the plane was ample so no need for a bomb really
Correct, there's no need for this "bomb" when the B757 and B767 which were flown into the towers each contained 40,000 litres of jet fuel which was injected at over 400mph and atomised before ignition.
But I still want to see this externally mounted bomb video evidence Louise/Darren claims is available and particularly look forward to hearing his explanation that if it wasn't a bomb then it was an "AWACS flight controller". I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the morning
Quote by Louise4Darren
Hello again
people are quick to take the p**s
but have you actually looked at the footage? Guess not or you would have said yes i see the object strapped to the underside of the plane but i dont know what it is. I believe if its not a bomb its an AWACS flight controller (a remote control device). If you look at the footage and say all looks ok then next time i fly abroad im going to look underneath the plane and guess what? i will not see anything that resembles what is strapped to that plane that hit the twin tower. Ive spoken to people who are quick to rubbish this proof and when you ask them have they seen the footage they reply no. If its not a bomb, or an AWACS flight controller.....you tell me what it is or could be. And while i got your brin thinking...where is the plane wreckage from the other two planes and also the impact craters. Dont be small minded enough to ridicule it with toon nonsense answer the questions seriously.
I'll seriously answer the question.
This object strapped to the plane. What sort of straps would you use? I mean, the key element here is in the words strapped on. I'm not an expert in aviation, but in various bedroom encounters I have tended to notice the straps of strap ons, even if I can't see what's strapped on. So, in your world, it's possible for hundreds of people, to board a plane and for even more to watch it take off without noticing a set of straps running round the plane?
Incidentally, when you do the 'OK, so there were no straps' bit, maybe you'll explain how you attach an object externally to the skin of a modern airliner? Given that you appear to be the Alan Davies in this particular edition of QI, I'll give you a hand - the klaxons will go off if you say 'magnets' or 'glue'.
Sex God
Quote by Louise4Joe
Please look at the aftermath footage of the pentagon and tell me you honestly believe an aroplane crashed there but left not even a bean can size piece of debris.
OK, I took you up on your challenge and funnily enough I managed to find images of landing gear, engine parts, pieces of the plane's skin with what look to be American Airlines markings and other assorted debris, all entirely consistent with other known aircraft/building impacts like the C-130/Azari appartment crash, and it took me all of 30 seconds on google. Are you sure you've been looking hard enough?
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
Please look at the aftermath footage of the pentagon and tell me you honestly believe an aroplane crashed there but left not even a bean can size piece of debris.
OK, I took you up on your challenge and funnily enough I managed to find images of landing gear, engine parts, pieces of the plane's skin with what look to be American Airlines markings and other assorted debris, all entirely consistent with other known aircraft/building impacts like the C-130/Azari appartment crash, and it took me all of 30 seconds on google. Are you sure you've been looking hard enough?
N x x x ;)
AHAH the Governments have fooled you!!!!!!! Before the news helicopters arrived they rushed out of the secret bunker under the Pentagon and distributed a whole plane-load of broken parts just to look as if there had been a crash. They even scorched them in exactly the right way to fool the NTSB bods. CHUH don't you know anything????????
By the way LOUISE4DARREN we're still waiting for the footage showing the bomb and the straps.
Quote by Kaznkev
Hello again
people are quick to take the p**s
but have you actually looked at the footage? Guess not or you would have said yes i see the object strapped to the underside of the plane but i dont know what it is. I believe if its not a bomb its an AWACS flight controller (a remote control device). If you look at the footage and say all looks ok then next time i fly abroad im going to look underneath the plane and guess what? i will not see anything that resembles what is strapped to that plane that hit the twin tower. Ive spoken to people who are quick to rubbish this proof and when you ask them have they seen the footage they reply no. If its not a bomb, or an AWACS flight controller.....you tell me what it is or could be. And while i got your brin thinking...where is the plane wreckage from the other two planes and also the impact craters. Dont be small minded enough to ridicule it with toon nonsense answer the questions seriously.
I'll seriously answer the question.
This object strapped to the plane. What sort of straps would you use? I mean, the key element here is in the words strapped on. I'm not an expert in aviation, but in various bedroom encounters I have tended to notice the straps of strap ons, even if I can't see what's strapped on. So, in your world, it's possible for hundreds of people, to board a plane and for even more to watch it take off without noticing a set of straps running round the plane?
Incidentally, when you do the 'OK, so there were no straps' bit, maybe you'll explain how you attach an object externally to the skin of a modern airliner? Given that you appear to be the Alan Davies in this particular edition of QI, I'll give you a hand - the klaxons will go off if you say 'magnets' or 'glue'.
now i will have the image of Strap ons in my head all day,thank you ,:giggle:
Trust you to bring a very sensible topic down to the gutter level.
I am also waiting for this footage.....as someone already stated I am waiting for the writing under the plane saying " TNT ".
Do not ask them about the Diana conspiracy.
Sorry I know there is a tad of micky taking here, but I am all ears and eyes to see the evidence.
Must be a whole lot of Googling going on to get us those couple of links which show bombs strapped to the underside of the planes.
But then again why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, especially when there's rabid, one-eyed fanaticism to be spouted.
Makes me wonder, are these people allowed to vote?
But then again why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, especially when there's rabid, one-eyed fanaticism to be spouted.
Makes me wonder, are these people allowed to vote?
Sex God
Quote by swcpl2005
Must be a whole lot of Googling going on to get us those couple of links which show bombs strapped to the underside of the planes.
But then again why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, especially when there's rabid, one-eyed fanaticism to be spouted.
Makes me wonder, are these people allowed to vote?
Forget the voting - it's the breeding you want to worry about.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I always thought the law stated you had a right to defend yourself? Are the police exempt from that law now then?
IF a police officer is being attacked, what would you suggest they do then? Run away?The law even states that IF you THINK you are going to be attacked, you have a right to defend yourself.
This sums it up......" they may inflict violence and/or use weapons to do so ".
IF it goes to court that court will decide " Was the force used by the individual reasonable in the circumstances as he or she believed them to be "?
The court obviously decided it was....don't like the outcome then take it up with a solicitor.
I suggest they use reasonable force as every other law abiding person has too. I have seen over many years the police use more and more underhand and violent tactics. I for one do not like where we seem to be heading
Sex God
Quote by Louise4Darren
firstly a big hello to everyone
These g20 protesters are protesting about something which is very important to every human being on this planet, its just they got the "lets try and stop it" attitude and the rest of us will worry when its too late. Im talking about globalisation, a one world government, a one world bank and a one world army. For those of you not in the know how, world governments want globalisation with all us citezens microchipped, then they will do away with paper and coin money and all transactions will be done through your personal microchip. Then when you try to protest about anything the world government will freeze your microchip and you will not be able to work, buy or sell anything "total control of the masses". Is this really what you want? Many world leaders (this is recorded and can be found...try looking on youtube)want A NEW WORLD ORDER, The 2 Bushes, and also Gordon Brown has publicly said this. These instigators of THE NEW WORLD ORDER has done more terrorism acts than any other terrorist organisations on the planet put together, what i hate about it is the way they are blaming muslims for this and its actually the elite of western governments which are the true terrorists. They tell us Muslim terrorists flew a plane into the pentagon yet there is no video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon and guess what.....no wreckage, look at lockerbie and see the hole in the ground the plane made and the wreckage of the plane is visable over a wide area, yet the pentagon only had a scorch mark on the grass (no crater) and no wreckage. If you look at footage of the twin towers and slow the video down you will see clearly what looks like a large bomb strapped to the underside of the plane, IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME GO AND LOOK YOURSELF AT THE VIDEO. I believe that these terrorist acts were deliberately planned to remove the freedom of the people by allowing the governments to bring in their new anti terror laws which coincedently removes a lot of our freedom. I hope i live long enough to see these elite stopped and brought to justice, and the people of our planet regain the freedom they deserve. So when i see these g20 protestors i dont see yobs or stupid uni nuts who got nothing else to do i see martyrs who got more bottle than the rest of us cattle who are letting the elite win.
Hi and Welcome to the forum,
I don't imagine there was any bomb strapped to any planes, I think just using simplew logic that there are so many other areas out of sight on a passenger plane where explosives could have been hidden should any one wish to do so.
How ever, I do have misgivings over the G20 etc, also there were things which happened that day which in my opinion do not all add up as I have discussed with others here before.
Master of Sex
Quote by kentswingers777
Where the feck is GNV when ya need him.
Ooops! I was in Angleterre when this posting was made and missed the thread :red:
With hindsight, I think the only comment I could make about the dear lady with the orange juice carton which no-one seems to have picked up on this: who is to say in the agony of the moment that the said orange juice carton did not actually contain orange juice but some other obnoxious or seriously dangerous fluid such as acid which could have seriously harmed the officer and others around him?
Could you make a split second decision in the heat of such a moment to decide, just on the strength of the labelling, that it only contained orange juice?
Is it acceptable behaviour to go throwing orange juice over Police Officers going about their lawful business?
I think not.
She is the one who should have been facing charges of assaulting a Police Officer in the execution of his duty; Max Clifford did no more than just facilitate a diversion by taking the offensive on her behalf. In true form, the Metropolitan Police fucked up by allowing that to happen.
Quote by Louise4Darren
I believe if its not a bomb its an AWACS flight controller (a remote control device).
Sorry to jump in and be so pedantic, but AWACS is an acronym for Airborne Warning and Control System, which is an aircraft fitted with all sorts of radar and communication equipment, used by the military to monitor and control troops and vehicles in the field of combat.
Here is a picture of a Boeing E-3 Sentry, operated by the U.S Air Force, which typically carries a flight crew of 4 and a mission crew between 13 to 19 people.
It certainly would not appear to be a remote control device.
In the video of the incident it is reasonable for him to push her away, he is teling her to step back.
What he does wrong is the back hand slap, however she just called him scum.
As a professional police officer he should be able to disregard this. But this does not necessarily need criminal prosecution. Let the discipline process decide.
Regarding hitting her in the back of the leg and pictures online of the 'injuries', this is standard practice and as per the training he is given.
Either as a hit to a fleshy area to allow it to hurt but with less risk of real injury, or behind the knee to drop someone and restrain them. (Standard training and procedures)
Brusing is to be expected, there were likely blood bruising as well and the potential for a cut depending on what she was wearing and how 'flat' the area of impact was.
A risk from the juice:
I don't see the need for the defence as he has asked her to back away etc, but though we can think it's ridiculous in the heat of the event why would she throw or threaten to throw juice when it could be acid that she has decided to bring to a protest to throw at the police. Otherwise and most likely she had some juice and lashed out. Also possibly she deiberatlely brought juice to lash out to incite a response and then just say it was only juice.
What he does wrong is the back hand slap, however she just called him scum.
As a professional police officer he should be able to disregard this. But this does not necessarily need criminal prosecution. Let the discipline process decide.
Regarding hitting her in the back of the leg and pictures online of the 'injuries', this is standard practice and as per the training he is given.
Either as a hit to a fleshy area to allow it to hurt but with less risk of real injury, or behind the knee to drop someone and restrain them. (Standard training and procedures)
Brusing is to be expected, there were likely blood bruising as well and the potential for a cut depending on what she was wearing and how 'flat' the area of impact was.
A risk from the juice:
I don't see the need for the defence as he has asked her to back away etc, but though we can think it's ridiculous in the heat of the event why would she throw or threaten to throw juice when it could be acid that she has decided to bring to a protest to throw at the police. Otherwise and most likely she had some juice and lashed out. Also possibly she deiberatlely brought juice to lash out to incite a response and then just say it was only juice.
Quote by BigWiltshire
In the video of the incident it is reasonable for him to push her away, he is teling her to step back.
What he does wrong is the back hand slap, however she just called him scum.
As a professional police officer he should be able to disregard this. But this does not necessarily need criminal prosecution. Let the discipline process decide.
Regarding hitting her in the back of the leg and pictures online of the 'injuries', this is standard practice and as per the training he is given.
Either as a hit to a fleshy area to allow it to hurt but with less risk of real injury, or behind the knee to drop someone and restrain them. (Standard training and procedures)
Brusing is to be expected, there were likely blood bruising as well and the potential for a cut depending on what she was wearing and how 'flat' the area of impact was.
A risk from the juice:
I don't see the need for the defence as he has asked her to back away etc, but though we can think it's ridiculous in the heat of the event why would she throw or threaten to throw juice when it could be acid that she has decided to bring to a protest to throw at the police. Otherwise and most likely she had some juice and lashed out. Also possibly she deiberatlely brought juice to lash out to incite a response and then just say it was only juice.
perhaps - has been known!
Sex God
Quote by GnV
A risk from the juice:
I don't see the need for the defence as he has asked her to back away etc, but though we can think it's ridiculous in the heat of the event why would she throw or threaten to throw juice when it could be acid that she has decided to bring to a protest to throw at the police. Otherwise and most likely she had some juice and lashed out. Also possibly she deiberatlely brought juice to lash out to incite a response and then just say it was only juice.
perhaps - has been known!
During the G8 in 2005, Medics were issued with acid neutraliser because the more unsavoury elements that attend such things had previously used acid in drinks cartons and similar containers against Police. It was a very real threat.
Quote by GnV
In the video of the incident it is reasonable for him to push her away, he is teling her to step back.
What he does wrong is the back hand slap, however she just called him scum.
As a professional police officer he should be able to disregard this. But this does not necessarily need criminal prosecution. Let the discipline process decide.
Regarding hitting her in the back of the leg and pictures online of the 'injuries', this is standard practice and as per the training he is given.
Either as a hit to a fleshy area to allow it to hurt but with less risk of real injury, or behind the knee to drop someone and restrain them. (Standard training and procedures)
Brusing is to be expected, there were likely blood bruising as well and the potential for a cut depending on what she was wearing and how 'flat' the area of impact was.
A risk from the juice:
I don't see the need for the defence as he has asked her to back away etc, but though we can think it's ridiculous in the heat of the event why would she throw or threaten to throw juice when it could be acid that she has decided to bring to a protest to throw at the police. Otherwise and most likely she had some juice and lashed out. Also possibly she deiberatlely brought juice to lash out to incite a response and then just say it was only juice.
perhaps - has been known!
In case anyone's wondering, you'll have a real problem finding any reference to ricin being used as described in the Wiki article linked to. It's not a very effective aerosol weapon.
Sex God
Quote by awayman
In the video of the incident it is reasonable for him to push her away, he is teling her to step back.
What he does wrong is the back hand slap, however she just called him scum.
As a professional police officer he should be able to disregard this. But this does not necessarily need criminal prosecution. Let the discipline process decide.
Regarding hitting her in the back of the leg and pictures online of the 'injuries', this is standard practice and as per the training he is given.
Either as a hit to a fleshy area to allow it to hurt but with less risk of real injury, or behind the knee to drop someone and restrain them. (Standard training and procedures)
Brusing is to be expected, there were likely blood bruising as well and the potential for a cut depending on what she was wearing and how 'flat' the area of impact was.
A risk from the juice:
I don't see the need for the defence as he has asked her to back away etc, but though we can think it's ridiculous in the heat of the event why would she throw or threaten to throw juice when it could be acid that she has decided to bring to a protest to throw at the police. Otherwise and most likely she had some juice and lashed out. Also possibly she deiberatlely brought juice to lash out to incite a response and then just say it was only juice.
perhaps - has been known!
In case anyone's wondering, you'll have a real problem finding any reference to ricin being used as described in the Wiki article linked to. It's not a very effective aerosol weapon.
does orange juice come in aerosol form ????
cut from the link :::Ricin is poisonous if inhaled, injected, or ingested,
