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Sex God
Quote by duncanlondon
same old reasons for not voting, however clever and enlightened they may seem.
you just can't be bothered.
A proven thief, a fascist and someone who will never get in. Who do I vote for? It's not the voting I can't be bothered with - it's the crap options I'm supposed to choose between I can't be bothered with. They are all the same - politician = thief/liar/stoolpigeon.
Sex God
I shall be voting, as I have done every election since I was old enough. My vote will go with the party with the most policy,s that agree with my way of thinking. Sadly none of them are far sighted, or bright enough to agree with all I say 
Sex God
Spoiling your ballot papers 
Numbers probably just get sent to the education department so they can sort out more funding for primary schools :lol:
Numbers probably just get sent to the education department so they can sort out more funding for primary schools :lol: 
Orgasminator
It is irrelevent who you vote for - all they will do is 'tinker' with the existing duties/taxes.
So, regardless of 'Party' you will be paying more duty on fuel, cigarettes, booze etc. you will be paying more income tax, VAT in the next 4-5 years and you will be paying more for your NI contribution.
My vote is lost until (1) the Conservatives are in power and (2) they then have a 99.9% swing to Labour/Lib Dems at the next election in 2014/15 and we become a 'key marginal'.
:kick:
So, regardless of 'Party' you will be paying more duty on fuel, cigarettes, booze etc. you will be paying more income tax, VAT in the next 4-5 years and you will be paying more for your NI contribution.
My vote is lost until (1) the Conservatives are in power and (2) they then have a 99.9% swing to Labour/Lib Dems at the next election in 2014/15 and we become a 'key marginal'.
:kick:
Sex God
Quote by JTS
What can I say ?
One party promises to remove human rights legislation ?
You quite worked out what that actually means just yet JTS, cos I have to say I'm a tad confused?
The Tories have said they'll repeal the HRA, and replace it with a Bill of Rights, but they're not gonna withdraw from the Council of Europe or the ECHR, so won't that mean that we'll still be bound by every single one of the treaty obligations we signed up to over 50 years ago, and any such Bill of Rights will in that case be as much built on the back of the ECHR as the HRA all these people so despise? Or am I missing something?
The EHCR will still actually be in effect, in its entirety? I can't work out whether this Bill of Rights means we'll still be able to resolve issues in a U.K. court, or whether we'll have to go back to some twat in Strasbourg for a judgement, which as any fule kno is anathema to right-thinking Daily Mail readers everywhere? :?Maybe they think if they can confuse the HRA issue enough, maybe by calling it by a different name, then the whole thing will go right over some people's head's like an aeroplane, and yer red top reader will at least be able to imagine to themselves that David Cameron has got one over on Johnny Foreigner if nowt else? :?
N x x x ;)
Quote by neilinleeds
What can I say ?
One party promises to remove human rights legislation ?
You quite worked out what that actually means just yet JTS, cos I have to say I'm a tad confused?
The Tories have said they'll repeal the HRA, and replace it with a Bill of Rights, but they're not gonna withdraw from the Council of Europe or the ECHR, so won't that mean that we'll still be bound by every single one of the treaty obligations we signed up to over 50 years ago, and any such Bill of Rights will in that case be as much built on the back of the ECHR as the HRA all these people so despise? Or am I missing something?
The EHCR will still actually be in effect, in its entirety? I can't work out whether this Bill of Rights means we'll still be able to resolve issues in a U.K. court, or whether we'll have to go back to some twat in Strasbourg for a judgement, which as any fule kno is anathema to right-thinking Daily Mail readers everywhere? :?Maybe they think if they can confuse the HRA issue enough, maybe by calling it by a different name, then the whole thing will go right over some people's head's like an aeroplane, and yer red top reader will at least be able to imagine to themselves that David Cameron has got one over on Johnny Foreigner if nowt else? :?
N x x x ;)
Obviously voting Labour next month then Neil?
Sex God
Pfffft! I was just coming back to edit and expand Kenty, but you were too quick off the draw . . . . Take it as read I'm not voting Tory, but not sure where you got the obviously voting Labour bit from? Take it you're obviously voting David Cameron? Interesting that you chose to highlight only that bit though, eh? So what are your thoughts on the whole thing? Does it make sense to you at all? :dunno:
Anyways, as I was about to say . . . .
Pretty much me Staggers. I've spoiled my ballot in a safe Labour seat in national and local elections before now, but for the first time ever I'm voting tactically. I don't think the Tories can win my local seat, and it kinda depends what yer twats in the local hard right are playing at, but I'm not sure I can vote Labour. They lost me a while ago, but then, times have changed, and I'm still trying to work out the lesser and greater of oh so many evils? It doesn't help that I have as my local MP? Bit of a poor voting record in my book, but I do have a soft spot for his dad. ;)
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Interesting that you chose to highlight only that bit though, eh? So what are your thoughts on the whole thing? Does it make sense to you at all? :dunno: Anyways, as I was about to say . . . .
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I shall spoil my ballot paper....unless there is a B.N.P. or UKip candidate then I shall vote to keep them out
Pretty much me Staggers. I've spoiled my ballot in a safe Labour seat in national and local elections before now, but for the first time ever I'm voting tactically. I don't think the Tories can win my local seat, and it kinda depends what yer twats in the local hard right are playing at, but I'm not sure I can vote Labour. They lost me a while ago, but then, times have changed, and I'm still trying to work out the lesser and greater of oh so many evils? It doesn't help that I have as my local MP? Bit of a poor voting record in my book, but I do have a soft spot for his dad. ;)
N x x x ;)
Sex God
His father must be so ashamed Neil.....but I used to live in this blokes constituency...he was I seem to remember one of the least active M.P.'s in the house....I'm now "represented" by Meg Munn a pointless labour loyalist.
I've spoiled my ballot paper in every election,local and national since the repeal of clause 4.
I've spoiled my ballot paper in every election,local and national since the repeal of clause 4.
Quote by duncanlondon
same old reasons for not voting, however clever and enlightened they may seem.
you just can't be bothered.
Give me a good reason to drive down the local school to cast my vote,one party tells me they wont increase taxes but cant tells us where they will get funds to tackle the crisis,another party has been in power for 13years and still shouting about changing parliamentery constitution..bunch of liars not worth my time!
Quote by neilinleeds
Pfffft! I was just coming back to edit and expand Kenty, but you were too quick off the draw . . . . Take it as read I'm not voting Tory, but not sure where you got the obviously voting Labour bit from? Take it you're obviously voting David Cameron?
Anyways, as I was about to say . . . .
I shall spoil my ballot paper....unless there is a B.N.P. or UKip candidate then I shall vote to keep them out
Pretty much me Staggers. I've spoiled my ballot in a safe Labour seat in national and local elections before now, but for the first time ever I'm voting tactically. I don't think the Tories can win my local seat, and it kinda depends what yer twats in the local hard right are playing at, but I'm not sure I can vote Labour. They lost me a while ago, but then, times have changed, and I'm still trying to work out the lesser and greater of oh so many evils? It doesn't help that I have as my local MP? Bit of a poor voting record in my book, but I do have a soft spot for his dad. ;)
N x x x ;)
Anything political Neil is only valid when it suits whatever parties own objectives.
I may well vote Tory, I certainly will not vote Labour...they will never get my vote again.
I used to think Cameron was an alright kind of geezer, but am not so sure now. He has already renagged on a few issues from a year ago, and has been rightly said, the Human rights crap cannot be changed as it is part of European law now.
All I hope for really is that Labour do not get in again next term. The thought of that smug useless incompetent Brown getting in for another five years, leaves me cold. But as I have said before, I believe they will get thumped next month.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I used to live in this blokes constituency...he was I seem to remember one of the least active M.P.'s in the house....I'm now "represented" by Meg Munn a pointless labour loyalist.
You're not having much luck down there in the People's Republic are you fella? From Tory toff to Labour apparatchick? I mean, how does she square a vote for an elected Second House with a vote against a transparent parliament exactly?
N x x x ;)
Sex God
I'll be hoping Labour get in again next moth although I dont think they will. I may not vote Labour as I believe the seat here is a straight fight between Torys and Lib dems so I'll probably vote Lib dem.
Why I hope Labour win? When Tony Blair was first elected he promised a better balanced life for family's and to be honest thats what I got. I work less than 25 hours a week and over the last few years we have received anywhere from £40 to £110 weekly via the Tax credits system. Thats allowed me to now start working self employed and earn extra money that way as well.
Some other things Labour has done for me or all of us whilst in power that have actually affected my daily life
20 days paid holiday a year
Paid maternity leave, 39 weeks. Plus flexible return to work options.
Paid paternity leave, 2 weeks. (Think they plan to extend this as well)
NHS Direct. Used this shit loads its been a god send at times
All of the above are things that have impacted on my family directly and to be honest made my life pretty simple. There are of course bigger issues to consider, the Iraq war, Afghanistan, the recession but to be honest and selfish they dont impact on me enough on a daily basis for me to change my vote about.
I have had a look at what all the major parties are promising if they get elected and I cant see much for ourselves in any of them so I'll go with Labour hoping they uphold and improve on the above which they do always seem to do. 10000 tax free from the Lib dems is about the best I have seen and certainly would save me a few £'s so that adds to me voting for them in my constituency.
Stuff I'll totally ignore. The recession, its a global one or was. Were we in a worse position to deal with it than we should have been, debatable. Anyway blame the Americans they started it :twisted:
Expenses: All partys have been caught out on this. Were there more Labour MP's but if there are I would guess thats cus there's more of them to start with. Its like any system you leave open to abuse, people will abuse it especially if its got £ at the end of it.
In summary I dont see a lot to vote for so I'll stick with Labour and remember that the Torys when in power did nothing for me at all except remove doll for the 16 years olds just as I left school
and made me liable for Poll tax at the age of 18. Evil bastards Ohh and Thatcher snatched my milk :lol:
This will probably get dissected by people who know far more about politics than me but to hell with it I know where my hopes are and where my votes going.
Why I hope Labour win? When Tony Blair was first elected he promised a better balanced life for family's and to be honest thats what I got. I work less than 25 hours a week and over the last few years we have received anywhere from £40 to £110 weekly via the Tax credits system. Thats allowed me to now start working self employed and earn extra money that way as well.
Some other things Labour has done for me or all of us whilst in power that have actually affected my daily life
20 days paid holiday a year
Paid maternity leave, 39 weeks. Plus flexible return to work options.
Paid paternity leave, 2 weeks. (Think they plan to extend this as well)
NHS Direct. Used this shit loads its been a god send at times
All of the above are things that have impacted on my family directly and to be honest made my life pretty simple. There are of course bigger issues to consider, the Iraq war, Afghanistan, the recession but to be honest and selfish they dont impact on me enough on a daily basis for me to change my vote about.
I have had a look at what all the major parties are promising if they get elected and I cant see much for ourselves in any of them so I'll go with Labour hoping they uphold and improve on the above which they do always seem to do. 10000 tax free from the Lib dems is about the best I have seen and certainly would save me a few £'s so that adds to me voting for them in my constituency.
Stuff I'll totally ignore. The recession, its a global one or was. Were we in a worse position to deal with it than we should have been, debatable. Anyway blame the Americans they started it :twisted:
Expenses: All partys have been caught out on this. Were there more Labour MP's
but if there are I would guess thats cus there's more of them to start with. Its like any system you leave open to abuse, people will abuse it especially if its got £ at the end of it.In summary I dont see a lot to vote for so I'll stick with Labour and remember that the Torys when in power did nothing for me at all except remove doll for the 16 years olds just as I left school
and made me liable for Poll tax at the age of 18. Evil bastards Ohh and Thatcher snatched my milk :lol: This will probably get dissected by people who know far more about politics than me but to hell with it I know where my hopes are and where my votes going.
Sex God
Personally at times I think V had the right idea I dont trust any of them anymore.
I dont trust any of them anymore. Quote by foxylady2209
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!
I feel that they died to give me the CHOICE. If you are forced to vote regardless of the unsuitability of all candidates, it is no better than being forced NOT to vote. It artificially validates a system that doesn't necessarily work.
I still maintain there is no point voting for 'best of a bad lot'. It is a false validation.
So if all the other candidates are so bad why haven't you either formed your own party or stood yourself?
Sex God
Quote by awayman
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!
I feel that they died to give me the CHOICE. If you are forced to vote regardless of the unsuitability of all candidates, it is no better than being forced NOT to vote. It artificially validates a system that doesn't necessarily work.
I still maintain there is no point voting for 'best of a bad lot'. It is a false validation.
So if all the other candidates are so bad why haven't you either formed your own party or stood yourself?
For the same reason I haven't midwifed my own son's birth, bought a speed camera and stood on my local street with that and a shotgun, why I didn't home school, why I didn't take my own wisdom teeth out, why I don't cut my own hair, why a don't attach a bike/dynamo assembly to my cooker and why I haven't written my own operating system and website.
There are people out there who purport to do these things - when I have the choice I will employ/vote for a suitable one. When there isn't I have to do without. (Excptt possibly the hair cutting thing but then wouldn't be able to go out in daylight).
Quote by foxylady2209
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!
I feel that they died to give me the CHOICE. If you are forced to vote regardless of the unsuitability of all candidates, it is no better than being forced NOT to vote. It artificially validates a system that doesn't necessarily work.
I still maintain there is no point voting for 'best of a bad lot'. It is a false validation.
So if all the other candidates are so bad why haven't you either formed your own party or stood yourself?
For the same reason I haven't midwifed my own son's birth, bought a speed camera and stood on my local street with that and a shotgun, why I didn't home school, why I didn't take my own wisdom teeth out, why I don't cut my own hair, why a don't attach a bike/dynamo assembly to my cooker and why I haven't written my own operating system and website.
There are people out there who purport to do these things - when I have the choice I will employ/vote for a suitable one. When there isn't I have to do without. (Excptt possibly the hair cutting thing but then wouldn't be able to go out in daylight).
But there's the nub of the problem. If you say that politics is something a special class of people or a special set of skilled workers do, you can't claim to be surprised if they represent only themselves. The biggest single critique of MPs today is that they haven't done real jobs, but I live in a county where after May 6th two of our four MPs will be former miners, and I can trust both of them and am happy to have a pint with them. Politics works best when ordinary people do it because they discover they have a talent for it, not because they've always wanted to since they were in school. And that's not a party political point - Cameron and Brown are as bad as each other in this regard,and Tony Blair becoming an MP because he won a bet with his wife about which one of them could get selected first demeans the whole process.
I'm sorry about the rant, but we have to all share the blame for the collection of politicians we've got now, because we opted out of doing politics and left it to the politicians.
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
I used to live in this blokes constituency...he was I seem to remember one of the least active M.P.'s in the house....I'm now "represented" by Meg Munn a pointless labour loyalist.
You're not having much luck down there in the People's Republic are you fella? From Tory toff to Labour apparatchick? I mean, how does she square a vote for an elected Second House with a vote against a transparent parliament exactly?
N x x x ;)
I have no idea...just like... I moved though...Nick Clegg would be my M.P. if I hadn't
i will be voting, i feel its very important to vote
the only time i didnt vote was a local election and it was because someone close to me had died suddenly and it wasnt possible for me to actually go to vote
i hope there isnt a change of government because since labour have been in power my life and my childrens lives have been far better in general, mostly for the reasons tweeky mentions
when the torys were in power i struggled to feed and clothe my children and also pay the basic bills unless my parents helped me, we didnt live extravegant lives either, id hate to go back to times like that so im voting labour altho unfortunatly i live in a tory area !
the only time i didnt vote was a local election and it was because someone close to me had died suddenly and it wasnt possible for me to actually go to vote
i hope there isnt a change of government because since labour have been in power my life and my childrens lives have been far better in general, mostly for the reasons tweeky mentions
when the torys were in power i struggled to feed and clothe my children and also pay the basic bills unless my parents helped me, we didnt live extravegant lives either, id hate to go back to times like that so im voting labour altho unfortunatly i live in a tory area !
Quote by danne-gary
i will be voting, i feel its very important to vote
the only time i didnt vote was a local election and it was because someone close to me had died suddenly and it wasnt possible for me to actually go to vote
i hope there isnt a change of government because since labour have been in power my life and my childrens lives have been far better in general, mostly for the reasons tweeky mentions
when the torys were in power i struggled to feed and clothe my children and also pay the basic bills unless my parents helped me, we didnt live extravegant lives either, id hate to go back to times like that so im voting labour altho unfortunatly i live in a tory area !
Good on you....
Sex God
Quote by danne-gary
i will be voting, i feel its very important to vote
the only time i didnt vote was a local election and it was because someone close to me had died suddenly and it wasnt possible for me to actually go to vote
i hope there isnt a change of government because since labour have been in power my life and my childrens lives have been far better in general, mostly for the reasons tweeky mentions
when the torys were in power i struggled to feed and clothe my children and also pay the basic bills unless my parents helped me, we didnt live extravegant lives either, id hate to go back to times like that so im voting labour altho unfortunatly i live in a tory area !
:thumbup:
I can remember very well living at the end of the last Tory government. Just joined a large well known cleaning company. an hour I think it was, no holidays at all for 2 years, whatever hours they said. I think they only up thing I can think of at that time is cheaper housing? however at the time housing was still considered very expensive. My Brother had to buy in Wales as Bristol was just too expensive and he's always earned over the national average. I try but I can never think of anything positive that happened for me at government level when the Torys were last in.
well....life long labour suppporter..but do feel a little let down of recent years...and must admit i had become a floating voter..until this week. Mr Cameron reminded me what bigoted views lie beneath the tory polished exterior. He said he agreed that landlords of hotels and B&B's should have the right to refuse and ban gay couples from their establishment. FFS..this this the 21st century....does it matter if a person is Gay or Straight..if stoping in a hotel or bed and breakfast. Its a bed...people sleep in it..does it matter if they are male...female or mixed. the Tory spokesperson for gay rights had duly resigned..and urged all gay conservatives to vote Labour as she will do. She said she feels disgusted and let down by her party.
Well done and thank you Mr Cameron....you have made my mind up for me.....and I'm sure alienated yourself from a large majority vote..just to try and keep your right wing happy.
Well done and thank you Mr Cameron....you have made my mind up for me.....and I'm sure alienated yourself from a large majority vote..just to try and keep your right wing happy.
Quote by deancannock
well....life long labour suppporter..but do feel a little let down of recent years...and must admit i had become a floating voter..until this week. Mr Cameron reminded me what bigoted views lie beneath the tory polished exterior. He said he agreed that landlords of hotels and B&B's should have the right to refuse and ban gay couples from their establishment. FFS..this this the 21st century....does it matter if a person is Gay or Straight..if stoping in a hotel or bed and breakfast. Its a bed...people sleep in it..does it matter if they are male...female or mixed. the Tory spokesperson for gay rights had duly resigned..and urged all gay conservatives to vote Labour as she will do. She said she feels disgusted and let down by her party.
Well done and thank you Mr Cameron....you have made my mind up for me.....and I'm sure alienated yourself from a large majority vote..just to try and keep your right wing happy.
I think you will find it was Chris Grayling that said it, not David Cameron....but never let the facts get in the way of your propaganda!
This is what Grayling actually said:
"I think we need to allow people to have their own consciences.
"I personally always took the view that... if you look at the case of 'Should a Christian hotel owner have the right to exclude a gay couple from their hotel?'
"I took the view that if it's a question of somebody who's doing a B&B in their own home, that individual should have the right to decide who does and who doesn't come into their own home.
"If they are running a hotel on the High Street, I really don't think that it is right in this day and age that a gay couple should walk into a hotel and be turned away because they are a gay couple, and I think that is where the dividing line comes."
Sex God
Quote by Max777
well....life long labour suppporter..but do feel a little let down of recent years...and must admit i had become a floating voter..until this week. Mr Cameron reminded me what bigoted views lie beneath the tory polished exterior. He said he agreed that landlords of hotels and B&B's should have the right to refuse and ban gay couples from their establishment. FFS..this this the 21st century....does it matter if a person is Gay or Straight..if stoping in a hotel or bed and breakfast. Its a bed...people sleep in it..does it matter if they are male...female or mixed. the Tory spokesperson for gay rights had duly resigned..and urged all gay conservatives to vote Labour as she will do. She said she feels disgusted and let down by her party.
Well done and thank you Mr Cameron....you have made my mind up for me.....and I'm sure alienated yourself from a large majority vote..just to try and keep your right wing happy.
I think you will find it was Chris Grayling that said it, not David Cameron....but never let the facts get in the way of your propaganda!
This is what Grayling actually said:
"I think we need to allow people to have their own consciences.
"I personally always took the view that... if you look at the case of 'Should a Christian hotel owner have the right to exclude a gay couple from their hotel?'
"I took the view that if it's a question of somebody who's doing a B&B in their own home, that individual should have the right to decide who does and who doesn't come into their own home.
"If they are running a hotel on the High Street, I really don't think that it is right in this day and age that a gay couple should walk into a hotel and be turned away because they are a gay couple, and I think that is where the dividing line comes."
Once its a hotel or a B&B then its no longer your own home its a business. Type or location of building matter not but the ethics are just as important. Maybe they should be allowed to turn away Asians too
Well done Chris Grayling. If all the Torys get that idiotic we may keep them out yet
for your information MAX777.......Mr Cameron was asked if he agreed with it.....he answer was he fully endorsed the views !!!! Thats why the lady concerned.....left the party......yes i do bother to read the papers and listen to the radio....now wheres the propoganda in that.
Even if Mr Cameron had not 100% endorsed the statement....do you not think you would throw someone out of the party for such downright disgusting bigoted, narrow minded views !! Or perhaps you agree as well ??
Even if Mr Cameron had not 100% endorsed the statement....do you not think you would throw someone out of the party for such downright disgusting bigoted, narrow minded views !! Or perhaps you agree as well ??
Quote by deancannock
for your information MAX777.......Mr Cameron was asked if he agreed with it.....he answer was he fully endorsed the views !!!! Thats why the lady concerned.....left the party......yes i do bother to read the papers and listen to the radio....now wheres the propoganda in that.
Even if Mr Cameron had not 100% endorsed the statement....do you not think you would throw someone out of the party for such downright disgusting bigoted, narrow minded views !! Or perhaps you agree as well ??
but Chris Grayling is a bloke and he hasn't left the party :confused:
Which paper are you reading? The Labour Tribune
Or did I miss something along the way?
