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Should we wait and sort out bad MPs' before having election?

The Conservatives are calling for a General Election but I would suggest that we weed out and deselect all of the MPs' that we want to get rid of first then have an election. There then should be a convention for constitutional change and once that has been agreed another election to bring in the changes.
Things that I think should be up for change.
1) The Electrol system should be made fairer (PR perhaps)
2) MPs' salaries should be looked at
3) Reform of House of Lords
4) Greater powers to Select Committees
Any other ideas?
Quote by shropsbi
The Conservatives are calling for a General Election but I would suggest that we weed out and deselect all of the MPs' that we want to get rid of first then have an election. There then should be a convention for constitutional change and once that has been agreed another election to bring in the changes.
Things that I think should be up for change.
1) The Electrol system should be made fairer (PR perhaps)
2) MPs' salaries should be looked at
3) Reform of House of Lords
4) Greater powers to Select Committees
Any other ideas?

I think anyone of those MP'S caught with their noses in the trough should be sacked.
Also I think it is a great idea to find people who have had proper jobs, to become Mp's.
Normal folk who CAN make a difference. Honest people like Joanna Lumley, who with hard work can and do make things happen.
If Cameron is to be believed then a great idea about letting people with no political experience to try and become an MP, at the next election.
Now that IS a good idea.
I think its time for an election yes. But for what or who do we vote? It seems that MP's across stand accused of, shall we say, sharp practice when it comes to their financial affairs. What is needed is a really big think of how this country is run and how the government is forme.
Never being an advocate of Proportional representation it does now seem to be a way forward with the mp's made more directly answerable to the people who voted for them.
If we 'sort this out' before we have the election who would be left to vote for?
But I certainly won't be voting. Since my assumption that none of them can be trusted have been proved to have good foundation, over and over again. There really doesn't seem any point.
My best friend always agrues that I have a responsiblity to vote. But if there isn't a single candidate that I would allow over my doorstep - let alone give them control over MY taxes - what am I supposed to do?
We need a general election now before anymore good money, (or borrowed money, is thrown after bad. The contending parties will go out of their way to expose the shenanigans of their opponents, so it will be left to the electorate to sift through the bullshit and vote out the most corrupt politicians.
Quote by BrightonGeezer
We need a general election now before anymore good money, (or borrowed money, is thrown after bad. The contending parties will go out of their way to expose the shenanigans of their opponents, so it will be left to the electorate to sift through the bullshit and vote out the most corrupt politicians.

My point exactly - it wouldn't leave any. LOL
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If we 'sort this out' before we have the election who would be left to vote for?
But I certainly won't be voting. Since my assumption that none of them can be trusted have been proved to have good foundation, over and over again. There really doesn't seem any point.
My best friend always agrues that I have a responsiblity to vote. But if there isn't a single candidate that I would allow over my doorstep - let alone give them control over MY taxes - what am I supposed to do?

Therein lies the problem. What can any of us do?
One is supposed to believe in the power of the people though I doubt that the people really have any. Thhe country is far more under state control and would not allow the public to augment change to any effective degree. So what/how do we show our discontent? In my view as foxy says - Don't vote.
The problem with this not voting being that the numbers who dont vote only ever get interpreted as disinterested rather than dissaffected thus then placing the blame aquarely on Joe Public for its political apathy. The truth being denied that its not apathy its disgust.
To vote is to affirm the status quo but not to vote is to be stand accused of not caring. Indeed what can you do?
I think there should be a box to cross what reads none of the above, I am sure that would get more people to vote. Then they will know what the people want, it might be the only way for them to know true feelings of how people are feeling.
Sod opinion polls, listen to the people.
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I think there should be a box to cross what reads none of the above, I am sure that would get more people to vote. Then they will know what the people want, it might be the only way for them to know true feelings of how people are feeling.
Sod opinion polls, listen to the people.

Precisely why a box won't appear
Election now is not pratical we need that money to revive economy,lets wait until the telegraph expose all the scums even from the minority parties...i personal dont see the point of littering our streets with leaflets full of empty promises from this mortage fiddlers
Quote by Lost
I think there should be a box to cross what reads none of the above, I am sure that would get more people to vote. Then they will know what the people want, it might be the only way for them to know true feelings of how people are feeling.
Sod opinion polls, listen to the people.

Precisely why a box won't appear
But you can spoil your ballot paper by putting a cross in all boxes or maybe better still by putting just one big cross through the whole form. Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted... that way you can vote and register your dissatisfaction.
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Election now is not pratical we need that money to revive economy,lets wait until the telegraph expose all the scums even from the minority parties...i personal dont see the point of littering our streets with leaflets full of empty promises from this mortage fiddlers

I understand your point, and it is pertinent. However, if we wait another year the majority of people will have been led up so many garden paths, they will forget about the corruption and dishonesty. Remember how the Conservatives were going to take us out of the EU? Or when the Labour party were going to hold a referendum? One of the biggest problems with the electorate is that they are unbelievably fickle. The fact that "Lord" Mandleson returned without anyone so much as batting an eyelid is proof of that.
Let's get this done before the press turn the whole business of dishonest politicians into yesterdays news.
Quote by BrightonGeezer
Election now is not pratical we need that money to revive economy,lets wait until the telegraph expose all the scums even from the minority parties...i personal dont see the point of littering our streets with leaflets full of empty promises from this mortage fiddlers

I understand your point, and it is pertinent. However, if we wait another year the majority of people will have been led up so many garden paths, they will forget about the corruption and dishonesty. Remember how the Conservatives were going to take us out of the EU? Or when the Labour party were going to hold a referendum? One of the biggest problems with the electorate is that they are unbelievably fickle. The fact that "Lord" Mandleson returned without anyone so much as batting an eyelid is proof of that.
Let's get this done before the press turn the whole business of dishonest politicians into yesterdays news.
How true is that comment.
Here is a guy who has dishonesty coming out of every hole in his body.....a slimy little toad if ever there was one.
Yes people are fickle indeed. I bet a lot of people cannot even remember why Mandleson was " got rid of ". Old newspaper chip news but.....probabaly one of the most dishonest politicians in recent history, yet back in as a minister. What a joke.
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Election now is not pratical we need that money to revive economy,lets wait until the telegraph expose all the scums even from the minority parties...i personal dont see the point of littering our streets with leaflets full of empty promises from this mortage fiddlers

I understand your point, and it is pertinent. However, if we wait another year the majority of people will have been led up so many garden paths, they will forget about the corruption and dishonesty. Remember how the Conservatives were going to take us out of the EU? Or when the Labour party were going to hold a referendum? One of the biggest problems with the electorate is that they are unbelievably fickle. The fact that "Lord" Mandleson returned without anyone so much as batting an eyelid is proof of that.
Let's get this done before the press turn the whole business of dishonest politicians into yesterdays news.
How true is that comment.
Here is a guy who has dishonesty coming out of every hole in his body.....a slimy little toad if ever there was one.
Yes people are fickle indeed. I bet a lot of people cannot even remember why Mandleson was " got rid of ". Old newspaper chip news but.....probabaly one of the most dishonest politicians in recent history, yet back in as a minister. What a joke.
I'm amazed that slimeball Mandelson wasn't used to better effect in putting his finger in the :shock:
to stem the flow of information
Mandelson should never have come back, a disgraced and dishonoured MP. as I have previously stated in another thread old boys network yet again.
Hatricia Pewitt and the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith now added to the ever increasing list...
The Chancellor of the Exchequer caught with his fingers in the till. rolleyes
and bumbling broon still mumbles about "fixing" the system in some vain hope that, magically, the electorate will join his love-in and vote him back as the most popular Prime Minister since Churchill. confused
What is this moron on? On his watch, the first Speaker in 300 years or more resigns in disgrace and his cabinet are falling on their swords like Samurai after the death of the Shogun with all the other less important rats wanting to leave the sinking ship as well :shock:
And now, to cap it all, his last ditch attempt at fame and fortune is scuppered as Bonnie Prince Charlie is to head up the British contingent at the 65th celebrations in Northern France this weekend (and quite right too) putting him lower down the pecking order after Downing Street didn't bother to mention the invitation to the Palace!
The only right thing to do now is for him to go - and to go quickly.
He must surely be the most unpopular, unelected Prime Minister in the whole history of the Mother of all Parliaments and there is nothing he can do to change that now.
and what exactly are we going to replace Mr Brown with...or all the other MP's that are now resigning. Mr Cameron has shown no leadership qualities whatso ever. Despite all this chaos...he sits twiddling his thumbs..or as was disclosed last week...against all his parties advisers he had a secret meeting with the far far right leaders of europe..two of whom have been banned from Germany for trying to re-invent the Nazi party. Did he really think no one would find out.
what we need is a major overhaul. We need to pay MP's a higher salary and then we would maybe attract the highter calibre of person. We need to tighten the expenses situation...with all salaries and expenses published on line for all to see.
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and what exactly are we going to replace Mr Brown with...or all the other MP's that are now resigning. Mr Cameron has shown no leadership qualities whatso ever. Despite all this chaos...he sits twiddling his thumbs..or as was disclosed last week...against all his parties advisers he had a secret meeting with the far far right leaders of europe..two of whom have been banned from Germany for trying to re-invent the Nazi party. Did he really think no one would find out.
what we need is a major overhaul. We need to pay MP's a higher salary and then we would maybe attract the highter calibre of person. We need to tighten the expenses situation...with all salaries and expenses published on line for all to see.

What can Cameron do? He is not leading the party in power and therefor can not implement any policies and why should he declare his hand for Brown to steal his ideas? He certainly won't want to display the leadership qualities Gordon Brown is currently doing!
I certainly agree that we need an overhaul but paying higher salaries is no guarantee of attracting higher calibre people into becoming MPs. Any increase in salary should be countered by a reduction in the number of MPs...we don't need 650+ of them!
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and what exactly are we going to replace Mr Brown with...or all the other MP's that are now resigning. Mr Cameron has shown no leadership qualities whatso ever. Despite all this chaos...he sits twiddling his thumbs..or as was disclosed last week...against all his parties advisers he had a secret meeting with the far far right leaders of europe..two of whom have been banned from Germany for trying to re-invent the Nazi party. Did he really think no one would find out.
what we need is a major overhaul. We need to pay MP's a higher salary and then we would maybe attract the highter calibre of person. We need to tighten the expenses situation...with all salaries and expenses published on line for all to see.

What can Cameron do? He is not leading the party in power and therefor can not implement any policies and why should he declare his hand for Brown to steal his ideas? He certainly won't want to display the leadership qualities Gordon Brown is currently doing!
I certainly agree that we need an overhaul but paying higher salaries is no guarantee of attracting higher calibre people into becoming MPs. Any increase in salary should be countered by a reduction in the number of MPs...we don't need 650+ of them!
I seem to recall one Anthony Bliar being accused of doing exactly the same thing when in Opposition in the run up to the election when he ousted John Major's Government...
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and what exactly are we going to replace Mr Brown with...or all the other MP's that are now resigning. Mr Cameron has shown no leadership qualities whatso ever. Despite all this chaos...he sits twiddling his thumbs..or as was disclosed last week...against all his parties advisers he had a secret meeting with the far far right leaders of europe..two of whom have been banned from Germany for trying to re-invent the Nazi party. Did he really think no one would find out.
what we need is a major overhaul. We need to pay MP's a higher salary and then we would maybe attract the highter calibre of person. We need to tighten the expenses situation...with all salaries and expenses published on line for all to see.

What can Cameron do? He is not leading the party in power and therefor can not implement any policies and why should he declare his hand for Brown to steal his ideas? He certainly won't want to display the leadership qualities Gordon Brown is currently doing!
I certainly agree that we need an overhaul but paying higher salaries is no guarantee of attracting higher calibre people into becoming MPs. Any increase in salary should be countered by a reduction in the number of MPs...we don't need 650+ of them!
I seem to recall one Anthony Bliar doing exactly the same thing when in Opposition in the run up to the election when he ousted John Major...
yep, just need to keep stum and your nose clean when the otherside is doing the job for you!!
Work and Pensions Secretary now resigned with a call in his resignation letter to Gawdy to do the same..
Will he go see the Queen today to ask her to dissolve Parliament?
Looks like Labour took a hammering in the local elections too as expected..
Is no-one telling him like it is dunno