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George Osborne caught exaggerating scale of benefit fraud

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Chancellor George Osborne caught grossly exaggerating the scale of benefit fraud in his spending review, if he needs money, perhaps he should have a look at tax avoiders,such as Barcleys,BHS,Topshop,Vodaphone and certain front bench Tory politicians, a mirror would be useful for this !


A bit worrying looks like the Chancellor of the Exchequer isn't good at sums !

Here's what George Osborne said during his spending review :‘Nor will fraud in the welfare system be tolerated anymore. We estimate that £5 billion is being lost this way each billion that others have to work long hours to pay in their week we published our plans to step up the fight to catch benefit cheats, and to deploy uncompromising penalties when they OF QUOTE
Osborne's Spending review speech,

Well in my book this certainly looks like George Osborne misleading paliament,Osborne says £5bn but the treasury and the DWP say , that's quite a difference !
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I find this bit of the channel four news site helpful too.

Thanks for the link, I'll have a look at that later.
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Here's what George Osborne said during his spending review :‘Nor will fraud in the welfare system be tolerated anymore. We estimate that £5 billion is being lost this way each billion that others have to work long hours to pay in their week we published our plans to step up the fight to catch benefit cheats, and to deploy uncompromising penalties when they OF QUOTE
Osborne's Spending review speech,

Well in my book this certainly looks like George Osborne misleading paliament,Osborne says £5bn but the treasury and the DWP say , that's quite a difference !

But there is fraud, yes?
The total cost of fraud, not just in the DWP is higher, yes?
Where is GO wrong or has misled Parliament then? I'm sure you can Google something to support your wild claims that the ConDem Alliance is corrupt and that the previous administration lied when the previous Secretary to The Treasury left a clear note for his successor saying "there is no money".
I did like your posting style meds, but I'm modifying my view as we progress on the various matters you have raised.
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Here's what George Osborne said during his spending review :‘Nor will fraud in the welfare system be tolerated anymore. We estimate that £5 billion is being lost this way each billion that others have to work long hours to pay in their week we published our plans to step up the fight to catch benefit cheats, and to deploy uncompromising penalties when they OF QUOTE
Osborne's Spending review speech,

Well in my book this certainly looks like George Osborne misleading paliament,Osborne says £5bn but the treasury and the DWP say , that's quite a difference !

But there is fraud, yes?
The total cost of fraud, not just in the DWP is higher, yes?
Where is GO wrong or has misled Parliament then? I'm sure you can Google something to support your wild claims that the ConDem Alliance is corrupt and that the previous administration lied when the previous Secretary to The Treasury left a clear note for his successor saying "there is no money".
I did like your posting style meds, but I'm modifying my view as we progress on the various matters you have raised.
Well maybe you don't like the fact that I am happy to challege the accepted view and counter It, If only there was more of that in the UK mainstream media, but of course you are entitled to your opinion,as I am mine.
Well if you read the Telegraph article,I'm sure It will answer you question, here's a quote from It:
QUOTE:George Osborne told MPs: ‘Nor will fraud in the welfare system be tolerated any more. We estimate that £5 billion a year is being lost in this way – £5 billion that others have to work long hours to pay in their taxes.’
However that figure is not true. I have now been onto the Treasury and it is clear that the real figure for fraud in the benefits system is £1.5 billion a year, or less than one third of the sum which Osborne claimed in his spending statement. It is true that there were benefit overpayments of some £5.2 billion in the last financial year (2009/10) but the majority of these according to HMRC figures were error rather than OF QUOTE

One thing I do agree with you on, is that the previous regime was corrupt as hell,you get no argument from me on that ! I don't understand how you can pigeonhole me as a Labour supporter as I've previously said, that I distrust ALL politicians !
Max however,dodged the question when I asked about his political affliation, by the way GnV what is yours ?
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Well maybe you don't like the fact that I am happy to challege the accepted view and counter It, If only there was more of that in the UK mainstream media, but of course you are entitled to your opinion,as I am mine.
Well if you read the Telegraph article,I'm sure It will answer you question, here's a quote from It:
QUOTE:George Osborne told MPs: ‘Nor will fraud in the welfare system be tolerated any more. We estimate that £5 billion a year is being lost in this way – £5 billion that others have to work long hours to pay in their taxes.’
However that figure is not true. I have now been onto the Treasury and it is clear that the real figure for fraud in the benefits system is £1.5 billion a year, or less than one third of the sum which Osborne claimed in his spending statement. It is true that there were benefit overpayments of some £5.2 billion in the last financial year (2009/10) but the majority of these according to HMRC figures were error rather than OF QUOTE

One thing I do agree with you on, is that the previous regime was corrupt as hell,you get no argument from me on that ! I don't understand how you can pigeonhole me as a Labour supporter as I've previously said, that I distrust ALL politicians !
Max however,dodged the question when I asked about his political affliation, by the way GnV what is yours ?

I'm sorry, who is your quote from, it's not clear.
Who has been on to the Treasury?
Where did I "pigeon hole" you as a Labour supporter? You do make a lot of suppositions, as Max has otherwise implied.
I did make a reference to the last (but one, for absolute correctness) Secretary to The Treasury for sure, but you are as bad as my wife for making wild assumptions about possible interpretations of what may have been an underlying intention behind my words!
As for your request to state my political leanings, I am a political being - nothing more. How I vote is between me and the ballot box and my views on matters are not necessarily biased by a political leaning to the left or the right but more by what I see is just in the society in which I live - remembering of course, that I now live in a Republic wink
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Who has been on to the Treasury?

the journalist who wrote the article,Peter Oborne, but of course don't take his word for It,feel free to check yourself.
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Where did I "pigeon hole" you as a Labour supporter? You do make a lot of suppositions, as Max has otherwise implied.

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The poster started off ok and then when challenged on his left wing views, typically, went into the defence of the indefensible.

Although you never stated Labour,the term 'left wing' usually implies Labour,at least in the UK anyway.
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Who has been on to the Treasury?

the journalist who wrote the article,Peter Oborne, but of course don't take his word for It,feel free to check yourself.
Not you then? I doubt the Treasury would accept my call but perhaps you have better provenance as you seem to be in the loop?
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Where did I "pigeon hole" you as a Labour supporter? You do make a lot of suppositions, as Max has otherwise implied.

Your comment, as you decided to quote?
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The poster started off ok and then when challenged on his left wing views, typically, went into the defence of the indefensible.

Although you never stated Labour,the term 'left wing' usually implies Labour,at least in the UK anyway.
Improbable and a typically wild assumption we can now expect from this contributor. There is a "left wing" in most political parties, even the far right and the extreme right in the UK or anywhere else in the world for that matter.
I can see why Max has now given up on you wink
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Chancellor George Osborne caught grossly exaggerating the scale of benefit fraud in his spending review, if he needs money, perhaps he should have a look at tax avoiders,such as Barcleys,BHS,Topshop,Vodaphone and certain front bench Tory politicians, a mirror would be useful for this !


A bit worrying looks like the Chancellor of the Exchequer isn't good at sums !


There is, as far as I am aware, no law against Tax avoidance. The listed company's are large company's employing thousands and contributing a massive amount to the economy.
I don't believe this government any different to any previous government on this score dunno
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There is, as far as I am aware, no law against Tax avoidance. The listed company's are large company's employing thousands and contributing a massive amount to the economy.
I don't believe this government any different to any previous government on this score dunno

I think you are right about the last bit, damn sure there are quite a few Labour tax avoiders as well. I say close these loopholes FOR ALL, If the poor have to pay dearly with welfare cuts,housing,jobs etc, why shouldn't the rich pay their fair share as well !
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There is, as far as I am aware, no law against Tax avoidance. The listed company's are large company's employing thousands and contributing a massive amount to the economy.
I don't believe this government any different to any previous government on this score dunno

I think you are right about the last bit, damn sure there are quite a few Labour tax avoiders as well. I say close these loopholes FOR ALL, If the poor have to pay dearly with welfare cuts,housing,jobs etc, why shouldn't the rich pay their fair share as well !
So, what are you proposing?
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So, what are you proposing?

Firing squad lol
at the risk of repeating myself...
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at the risk of repeating myself...

Mmmmmm shall I hold the mirror up now ! Who keeps following and posting on my threads and the definition of a troll is...........wait for it.........
QUOTE:In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional OF QUOTE
Now go back and look at your posts on my threads wink
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You make wild unsubstantiated statements, are asked to explain what you mean by them, you duck the issue and then when challenged accuse the responder of being a troll!
Please don't flatter yourself. I'm sure you'll get the hang of this place sooner or later. wink
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:laughabove:
You make wild unsubstantiated statements, are asked to explain what you mean by them, you duck the issue and then when challenged accuse the responder of being a troll!
Please don't flatter yourself. I'm sure you'll get the hang of this place sooner or later. wink

Oh dear the cracks are beginning to show in the LibDem's, keep it up !

I see so your not a troll, well If anyone has the time, feel free to go back over the threads and you will see a pattern develop lol bye troll !
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I see so your not a troll, well If anyone has the time, feel free to go back over the threads and you will see a pattern develop lol bye troll !

rolleyes You ought to come with an internet health warning...
"Don't reply to medway_garage posts in a manner other than supporting his views least you be branded a troll"
I'll tell you what, I'll continue to respond to threads I want to in the CA for as long as I wish but, like some others seem to have done, I promise to ignore each of yours in future because it seems you like to be too much the centre of your own attention for my taste.
I now ask myself why the hell did I bother complimenting you on your posting style in one thread dunno I should have known better. :doh:
"Don't reply to medway_garage posts in a manner other than supporting his views least you be branded a troll"
You really are funny, amazing how you keep turning that one around, I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, but when certain individuals engage in troll like behavour, i.e GnV and Max777 because I don't agree with their right wing agenda, well I'll leave it at that, go back over the threads and make up your own mind !
:gagged: on account of the fact I prefer to leave my account intact.
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:gagged: on account of the fact I prefer to leave my account intact.

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