Government e-petitions

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
so staggs let me guess this right
the convicted looters can be teached to have a better education
but cant be trained for work skills in case they take the jobs of others who want them jobs
when trained
(i never realised the working class was such an exclucive club)
i do believe watching the news that most of the talk from young adults in these affected area`s was they wanted a future! jobs etc
or would you rather they stay in poverty as it champions your marxist views
I'm also now wondering if someone else had suggested it you may have agreed
in edit i also think that by teaching maths to some of these will only educate them to loot the more expencive goods
now i see your logic who wants to buy cheap knock off

Wrong ... guess again
Education is on the whole a good thing ... many people in prison do not have one... you appear to think that redressing this is not a good idea
I haven't said that prisoners shouldn't learn work skills .... I've said they should not be doing work that someone else could be doing ... there is a college not 500 yards from where I live that teaches many things among them vocational qualifications ... they produce nothing but young people with the skills to go into the work place .... study you see, as far as I'm concerned, does not just involve looking at books.
"or would you rather they stay in poverty as it champions your marxist views" No and I have no idea why you would even begin to think that I would have anyone living in poverty
If someone else had suggested what I have then yes I would have agreed ... it's what I'm suggesting ?? if they had suggested something else I would have disagreed see it would be different to what I'm suggesting .... did you have anyone in particular in mind ??
your last statement ..... I think you'll find you mean economics

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Freckledbird

ok so whos going to tutor them will that not have to payed for

well they are currently apparently being taught by peeple with little more than a a level rob

there are other links but this one was top of the list.
scary that children are being taught by teechers who do not have any degrees at all.
It doesn't say that.
Many children are home educated, by parents who lack the 'correct' qualifications to do so. Should that stop?
Oi! Oi! V is a properly qualified primary school teacher and she doesn't have a degree!! In the 1970's when she qualified, a degree course extra year was an option but not obligatory. On the other hand (to which Fb will attest) there are many on here who may have degrees as long as your arm but they can't spell to save their life!!
A modern degree in arse-wiping is hardly an attestation to academic ability rolleyes

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
what on earth qualifies Carol Vorrderman to comment on teaching and how much fat tory cock did she have to suck to get that paycheck

why do you have to be such a nasty horrible person? dunno

anyone with success of any sort you sneer at.:fuckinghell:
some peeple hate others sucess because they have achieved nothing in there own lives.
ms vorrderman is more qualified than you to speak about childrens lack of maths and adding up. she is an MBE something that once again no doubt you would sneer at.
what is so wrong with sucess mr staggers? why do you sneer like someone out of one of jack Nicholson's films, am sure you know the one.
i reely do not know why i bother to answer some one who is obviusly a hater of any one who has sucess or money. i would love to know what has gone on in your life for you to have the strange atitudes that you do about other peeple and the pure hatred.
reely it matters not what the feck you think about her, she has been asked to coment by peeple who value her opinions. you? ah yes you sit on a swingers forum rambling nastys. i wonder who others would value as more sucessful mr staggers?
i for one like the woman and i value her opinions as she is wiser than me. i am sorry that you do not agree with the tory party asking her to do a study but they are the governemnt of the day whether you like that or not. i am sure that mr cameron matters not about what you think about her study, but a lot of peeple will!!
if her report helps peeple to study maths and help others what have you got against that? she will do more for younsters learning a subject than you will or is that what you dislike so much :dunno:
is it the fact that you wish it was you sucking a big fat tory cock and a nice big paycheck :twisted:

12 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
is it the fact that you wish it was you sucking a big fat tory cock and a nice big paycheck :twisted:

I will have the cock if anybody wants the pay cheque.

12 Aug 2011

seems like the axe is already falling

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
seems like the axe is already falling

Should have the over 16 family member who was convicted thrown out rather than whole family - unless they broken tenancy agreement/contract as well.

12 Aug 2011

Quote by GnV
Oi! Oi! V is a properly qualified primary school teacher and she doesn't have a degree!! In the 1970's when she qualified, a degree course extra year was an option but not obligatory. On the other hand (to which Fb will attest) there are many on here who may have degrees as long as your arm but they can't spell to save their life!!
A modern degree in arse-wiping is hardly an attestation to academic ability

I am sick of people saying X got so far without a degree and Y with a degree is a useless waste of space. Having a degree does not maje you a waste of space. The ability to obtain a degree is not proof of having begun as a waste of space.
I have a degree in Engineering. It was hard - bloody HARD - and required a huge amount of work and input to get it. I am now an engineer that trains other eningeers in the effective use of engineering relational database and data management.
Yes, there are people who are wastes of space have degrees - most don't. They manage to be wastes of space without the bother of getting the degree.
I would never say a degree is the only thing you need to be an effective prfofessional. But the degree gives a grounding to work from. Any appropriate academic training will give a starter for 10 (pardon the pun) to a career. Obviously without experience (again it must be appropriate) it loses value very fast. With only experience the learning curve is longer and often harder but it isn't impossible - those entrepreneurs unencumbered with formal qualifications attest to that.
So, please, lay off the graduates!

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx

is it the fact that you wish it was you sucking a big fat tory cock and a nice big paycheck :twisted:

I will have the cock if anybody wants the pay cheque.
that is very funny ben actualy lol

12 Aug 2011

Quote by HnS
Should have the over 16 family member who was convicted thrown out rather than whole family - unless they broken tenancy agreement/contract as well.

If they throw a family with children out who does the responsibility and cost of rehoming them fall to?

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx

Should have the over 16 family member who was convicted thrown out rather than whole family - unless they broken tenancy agreement/contract as well.

If they throw a family with children out who does the responsibility and cost of rehoming them fall to?
there you go ben.
i think if you get evicted the councils are not responsible for re housing

12 Aug 2011

"If you are evicted because of antisocial behaviour, you may find it difficult to be re-housed as homeless as the council may consider you to be intentionally homeless. You may also be excluded from council waiting lists because of unacceptable behaviour."
Seems to me families will end up being rehoused by the council or social services. Sounds like pissing in the wind by the coucils for publicity purposes to me.

12 Aug 2011

we all have to live by the rules or face the consequences I'm afraid dunno

12 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

what on earth qualifies Carol Vorrderman to comment on teaching and how much fat tory cock did she have to suck to get that paycheck

why do you have to be such a nasty horrible person? dunno

anyone with success of any sort you sneer at.:fuckinghell:
some peeple hate others sucess because they have achieved nothing in there own lives.
ms vorrderman is more qualified than you to speak about childrens lack of maths and adding up. she is an MBE something that once again no doubt you would sneer at.
what is so wrong with sucess mr staggers? why do you sneer like someone out of one of jack Nicholson's films, am sure you know the one.
i reely do not know why i bother to answer some one who is obviusly a hater of any one who has sucess or money. i would love to know what has gone on in your life for you to have the strange atitudes that you do about other peeple and the pure hatred.
reely it matters not what the feck you think about her, she has been asked to coment by peeple who value her opinions. you? ah yes you sit on a swingers forum rambling nastys. i wonder who others would value as more sucessful mr staggers?
i for one like the woman and i value her opinions as she is wiser than me. i am sorry that you do not agree with the tory party asking her to do a study but they are the governemnt of the day whether you like that or not. i am sure that mr cameron matters not about what you think about her study, but a lot of peeple will!!
if her report helps peeple to study maths and help others what have you got against that? she will do more for younsters learning a subject than you will or is that what you dislike so much :dunno:
is it the fact that you wish it was you sucking a big fat tory cock and a nice big paycheck :twisted:
?????????
So what am I supposed to say to this ? Really I'd love to know what kind of response you were hoping to get
You see it was a joke
Now if you really really want to know why I think Ms Vorderman is perhaps not the best choice to carry out this study I'd be glad to answer ... BUT I don't really think you want that,do you?

12 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
?????????
So what am I supposed to say to this ? Really I'd love to know what kind of response you were hoping to get

if you cannot say some thing a bit more constructive about somebody commisioned to do a report and to try and find out, forget it. your reely not worth the effort.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
You see it was a joke

you always say that when you are shown up to be a rather horrid human being. if i could be bothered i could find many examples of you saying something horrid and then dismissing it as a " joke ". maybe you need a bit of a humour transplant. dunno

as frankly your reely just not very funny at all. you seam to do it purely for some kind of shock factor which is not reely shocking , just shows you in the real light.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now if you really really want to know why I think Ms Vorderman is perhaps not the best choice to carry out this study I'd be glad to answer ... BUT I don't really think you want that,do you?

sorry mr staggers but you have alredy shown your true feelings and i am suprised that this site allows peeple to express views as nasty as you seam to do with such ease.
frankly mr staggeers it is not reely a joke what you say sometimes, but that it is you yourself which is the joke only you just cannot see that.
you reely should stop this sneering at anyone that you deem to be against your views, odd though your views are at times but they do not fall into the average persons views. your sneering at others does you no favours and shows you in a rather horrid light.
none such blind as those that do not want to see.:notes:

13 Aug 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
So, please, lay off the graduates!

If you mean the traditional degree courses foxy I couldn't agree more and I would include engineering in there as well as Doctorate's etc.
If you comment was directed at my posting, I was referring particularly to the less traditional (modern) ones like 'media studies' where if you can fart on command, you get a degree - all in the name of getting everyone who goes to 'uni' (the renamed further education colleges) a qualification which is basically not worth the paper it's written on.
That tactic by the Labour administration did nothing to further education in as much as lowering the exam standards so that everyone gets an 'A' Level grade did.
In the end, employers looking for properly qualified staff will still look for 'good' degrees from the traditional Universities not the Micky Mouse ones.

13 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

?????????
So what am I supposed to say to this ? Really I'd love to know what kind of response you were hoping to get

if you cannot say some thing a bit more constructive about somebody commisioned to do a report and to try and find out, forget it. your reely not worth the effort.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
You see it was a joke

you always say that when you are shown up to be a rather horrid human being. if i could be bothered i could find many examples of you saying something horrid and then dismissing it as a " joke ". maybe you need a bit of a humour transplant. dunno

as frankly your reely just not very funny at all. you seam to do it purely for some kind of shock factor which is not reely shocking , just shows you in the real light.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now if you really really want to know why I think Ms Vorderman is perhaps not the best choice to carry out this study I'd be glad to answer ... BUT I don't really think you want that,do you?

sorry mr staggers but you have alredy shown your true feelings and i am suprised that this site allows peeple to express views as nasty as you seam to do with such ease.
frankly mr staggeers it is not reely a joke what you say sometimes, but that it is you yourself which is the joke only you just cannot see that.
you reely should stop this sneering at anyone that you deem to be against your views, odd though your views are at times but they do not fall into the average persons views. your sneering at others does you no favours and shows you in a rather horrid light.
none such blind as those that do not want to see.:notes:
:giveup:
Always enjoy reading Staggers views and thoughts, whether I agree with them or not.
Certainly agree that he's not average nor has what some might perceive as not the average persons view, but that's the usual definition of average being a mid-point between things (leave others to quote dictionaries if they want to be 'anal' about it).
It makes a welcome change to read views formed and articulated from outside the smallish usual print and television media (with their lives of usually higher than average income, above average homes, etc. when compared with the majority of the population) driven by the editorial policies of their owners.
You can read Staggers postings and compare with the site AUP, something the Forum Moderators do for the vast majority of posts, and I can't remember any of his being 'Mod edited'.
Just because some might not agree with another's views then that is no reason to ban something or as some Societies have done, 'burn the books and writings' of those they personally dis-agree with.
As for sense of humour, it's interesting to also read the Ken Dodd thread in the Cafe at the moment, some love him, others don't, some like MacIntyre, others don't, some liked Bernard Manning, other's did't, i.e. each of us is an individual and have individual senses of humour and styles. Personally can spot when he's poking fun or ridicule, suspecxt we both have a love of Private Eye and the longstanding British tradition of good satire.
If people can't be "bothered" to provide reasoned replies, which are in context, and instead just want to have a dig then that's up to them and is a reflection of them which others can form an opinion of them, if they wish.
Overall, love to follow a good debate as usually something informative comes out whether I agree with the view expressed or not. Mind you we seem to have strayed from the thread title about Government e-petitions, but it's been a good read so far.

13 Aug 2011

Quote by GnV
So, please, lay off the graduates!

If you mean the traditional degree courses foxy I couldn't agree more and I would include engineering in there as well as Doctorate's etc.
If you comment was directed at my posting, I was referring particularly to the less traditional (modern) ones like 'media studies' where if you can fart on command, you get a degree - all in the name of getting everyone who goes to 'uni' (the renamed further education colleges) a qualification which is basically not worth the paper it's written on.
That tactic by the Labour administration did nothing to further education in as much as lowering the exam standards so that everyone gets an 'A' Level grade did.
In the end, employers looking for properly qualified staff will still look for 'good' degrees from the traditional Universities not the Micky Mouse ones.
:thumbup:
Mind you - I would agree that Uni's don't make enough fuss about poor communication skills from spelling to formatting reports. But I'm VERY traditional on those points. And, before I get another lambasting about people with dyslexia etc, I have seen far better English skills from dyslexics than people who claim to fully equipped in the English department. Which is probably due to effort as much as anything. I certainly wouldn't consider a job applicant who clearly didn't make an effort, regardless of qualifications.

13 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
so staggs let me guess this right
the convicted looters can be teached to have a better education
but cant be trained for work skills in case they take the jobs of others who want them jobs
when trained
(i never realised the working class was such an exclucive club)
i do believe watching the news that most of the talk from young adults in these affected area`s was they wanted a future! jobs etc
or would you rather they stay in poverty as it champions your marxist views
I'm also now wondering if someone else had suggested it you may have agreed
in edit i also think that by teaching maths to some of these will only educate them to loot the more expencive goods
now i see your logic who wants to buy cheap knock off

Wrong ... guess again
Education is on the whole a good thing ... many people in prison do not have one... you appear to think that redressing this is not a good idea
I haven't said that prisoners shouldn't learn work skills .... I've said they should not be doing work that someone else could be doing ... there is a college not 500 yards from where I live that teaches many things among them vocational qualifications ... they produce nothing but young people with the skills to go into the work place .... study you see, as far as I'm concerned, does not just involve looking at books.
"or would you rather they stay in poverty as it champions your marxist views" No and I have no idea why you would even begin to think that I would have anyone living in poverty
If someone else had suggested what I have then yes I would have agreed ... it's what I'm suggesting ?? if they had suggested something else I would have disagreed see it would be different to what I'm suggesting .... did you have anyone in particular in mind ??
your last statement ..... I think you'll find you mean economics
well ol chap looks like we have to agree to disagree ..........again
its been fun and ive enjoyed the banter till next time :thumbup:

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