has austerity gone to far?

16 May 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
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i very much doubt that this or the banks cases can be championed to mr average the tax payer
the reason: simple!! far to much pisss taking a willing-ness to hand out easily made tax payers coppers to rescue tax avoiding banks and a soft touch benefit system. I think that there are many in need who could get more or even the REAL NEEDY getting what they deserve would be nice aye wink

They are Rob two entirely different and separate things trying to conflate them is nonsense.
The reason why the case of benefits claimants is such a hard sell is a prolonged pernicious and persistent campaign by the media and those in power to brand all claimants unworthy and worthless, it diverts attention from their own thievery you see.
Given that you appear to share the view that the majority of benefits claimants are trying to defraud us all, I do wonder who you would class as in need or God forbid in 'REAL NEED'

16 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Hollande's plan to encourage growth by limited increased spending in the public sector - principally teaching - is an interesting philosophy and one that will be closely watched. The centre right will be willing it to fail. Hollande could just pull it off.

well let us hope he does GNV for the future of france, certainly not for the euro as when greece fail, and they will, the rest of europe could just go down the drain with them.
What probably won't help is grecians drawing out copious amounts of cash from Greek banks. This attempted run on the banks is interestingly in fear of a return to the drachma and the central bank is therefore refusing to recapitalize banks thus forestalling any collapse. It might not stop civil disorder however as the populous panics fearing their assets are in danger of being lost. In some areas, they have already dumped the Euro and are trading locally in the drachma which will serve only to exacerbate the problem.
There are serious consequences for any member State leaving the Euro. The likely result is that an inappropriate government will be formed in Greece which will default heavily on their sovereign debt.
What is not clear is the exchange rate that will be offered to those with Euro holdings in Greece. Will it be at the rate given on entry?

16 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
more stuff

i very much doubt that this or the banks cases can be championed to mr average the tax payer
the reason: simple!! far to much pisss taking a willing-ness to hand out easily made tax payers coppers to rescue tax avoiding banks and a soft touch benefit system. I think that there are many in need who could get more or even the REAL NEEDY getting what they deserve would be nice aye wink

They are Rob two entirely different and separate things trying to conflate them is nonsense.
The reason why the case of benefits claimants is such a hard sell is a prolonged pernicious and persistent campaign by the media and those in power to brand all claimants unworthy and worthless, it diverts attention from their own thievery you see.
Given that you appear to share the view that the majority of benefits claimants are trying to defraud us all, I do wonder who you would class as in need or God forbid in 'REAL NEED'
i think you have large percentage mistaken with majority staggs if you want my honest opinion :wink:

16 May 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
more stuff

i very much doubt that this or the banks cases can be championed to mr average the tax payer
the reason: simple!! far to much pisss taking a willing-ness to hand out easily made tax payers coppers to rescue tax avoiding banks and a soft touch benefit system. I think that there are many in need who could get more or even the REAL NEEDY getting what they deserve would be nice aye wink

They are Rob two entirely different and separate things trying to conflate them is nonsense.
The reason why the case of benefits claimants is such a hard sell is a prolonged pernicious and persistent campaign by the media and those in power to brand all claimants unworthy and worthless, it diverts attention from their own thievery you see.
Given that you appear to share the view that the majority of benefits claimants are trying to defraud us all, I do wonder who you would class as in need or God forbid in 'REAL NEED'
i think you have large percentage mistaken with majority staggs if you want my honest opinion
:wink:
And I have unfortunately got to ask you to furnish us with some figures to substantiate that

16 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

i think you have large percentage mistaken with majority staggs if you want my honest opinion

And I have unfortunately got to ask you to furnish us with some figures to substantiate that
i think you will find 37% a large enough percentage of incapacity claimants who have been deemed fit for work
this is of course with out the suddenly got well,s :wink:

16 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And I have unfortunately got to ask you to furnish us with some figures to substantiate that

when i ask for those you say you dont give a ???? lol

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i think you will find 37% a large enough percentage of incapacity claimants who have been deemed fit for work

even though those figures are " official " figures rob, do not expect for a second for anyone on here to beleeve them rolleyes

Quote by Lizaleanrob
this is of course with out the suddenly got well,s

the suddenly got wells were an added 44% :lol: :lol:

16 May 2012

i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks but it's all the fault of your next door neighbour or the immigrants. not to mention the necessary predatory wars to steal natural resources in the name of spreading democracy or humanitarianisn.
the greeks are not tax avoiding lazy phuckers. their puppet government sold out to goldman sachs with creative accounting to join the euro with the full knowledge of the rest of the e.u. bankers and politicians before they joined as did many others.
austerity (for the too small to save) reduces cash in circulation. this in turn reduces demand and therefore employment. lenders not lending as much as is taken back in interest reduces cash in circulation further depressing demand (production and employment).
statistics claiming a fall in unemployment at this time is pure propaganda to keep you in hope and in a trance just like x factor and soaps, it's all make believe.
oh there's global warming caused by mans activity, we gotta reduce our carbon footprint and pay carbon tax. oh no, we gotta avian/swine flu pandemic. we gotta stay indoors and buy loadsa drugs bollox. handy timing for big pharma, they gotta antidote bullshit.
osama bin liner blew up the towers and he's in afghanistan. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
saddam got weapons of mass destruction and can hit cyprus in 45min. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
gaddaffi is bombin his own and handin out viagra. quick, lets bomb the bastard.
assad is shootin his own. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
the iranians gettin nuclear power whilst surrounded by countries with nukes. quick, lets bomb the bastards.......
so, them poor phuckers on sickness benefit, unemployment benefit, disability benefit and any other kind of welfare are draining the system from us hard workin tax payers. lets bomb the bastards and while we are at it, those public sector lazy phuckers on high pensions (that they pay an increased contribution to), lets bomb them phuckers too, that will get the country back on it's feet.

16 May 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob

i think you have large percentage mistaken with majority staggs if you want my honest opinion

And I have unfortunately got to ask you to furnish us with some figures to substantiate that
i think you will find 37% a large enough percentage of incapacity claimants who have been deemed fit for work
this is of course with out the suddenly got well,s :wink:
Three questions ...
1: Where does this figure come from
2: what part of that 37% is accounted for by rule changes in the introduction of a new benefit
3: what part of that 37% can be put down to the widely acknowledged box ticking incompetence of Atos

Quote by starlightcouple

And I have unfortunately got to ask you to furnish us with some figures to substantiate that

when i ask for those you say you dont give a ???? lol

No I think you'll find that I had already said that my evidence was anecdotal and I couldn't offer any further proof ... what I said was that I didn't give a shit whether or not you believed me

16 May 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks

Are you sure of these facts Gulson, or are you just making them again?
These are the actual figures
Total costs 2013
Pensions 137 bn
Health care 125 bn
Welfare 111 bn
Total £373 bn
Total bailout to banks for loans and shares £124 bn

16 May 2012

Quote by Max777
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks

Are you sure of these facts Gulson, or are you just making them again?
These are the actual figures
Total costs 2013
Pensions 137 bn
Health care 125 bn
Welfare 111 bn
Total £373 bn
Total bailout to banks for loans and shares £124 bn
FFS Max. Will you stop putting facts in the way of a good rant innocent

Dave_Notts

17 May 2012

Those look similar to the figures on which I based a previous response to a 'Gulson Rant' -
If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care. Also being (overly) charitable to the bankers the costs of the various bailouts are small compared to the rest of government expenditure.
I wonder, if Gulsonroad 'wonders what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are', why he just doesn't look at the financial reports?
On another point I believe the levels of tax avoidance and evasion in Greece are significantly higher than other EU countries. Also there is a reported fall in unemployment which given the cautions reported at the same time is probably true.
Then there seems to be a whole mixture of spittle laden ranting, containing a mixture of truth, half truth, and some really not so truthful statements. Note to self never leave a beer any where near Gulsonroad at a social if it starts to look like he is going off on one!
Now trying to answer the main point of Gulsonroad's post. Being objective about the 'poor phuckers on sickness benefit, unemployment benefit, disability benefit and any other kind of welfare', the costs are indeed a significant drain on the system. Likewise money saved be reducing the number of fraudulent claims could be a significant boost to the UK economy.
This may well be why the 'Evil public school plutocrats' that are now the current government are looking at Disability benefits? I think the last government tried to do exactly the same thing with Disability benefits. So this benefit has been looked at twice now maybe because of abuse, rather than because 'people from very privileged backgrounds with vast wealth' want to 'dictate to others much less fortunate than themselves'?

17 May 2012

Quote by Max777
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks

Are you sure of these facts Gulson, or are you just making them again?
These are the actual figures
Total costs 2013
Pensions 137 bn
Health care 125 bn
Welfare 111 bn
Total £373 bn
Total bailout to banks for loans and shares £124 bn
well i thought that comment from gulson was a bit odd to be honest, and am glad you came to the rescue with some FACTS max. mr notts above took the words out of my mouth.
over to you mr gulson to try and explain your comment and the actual facts of the matter.

17 May 2012

Quote by Robert400andKay
Those look similar to the figures on which I based a previous response to a 'Gulson Rant' -
If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care. Also being (overly) charitable to the bankers the costs of the various bailouts are small compared to the rest of government expenditure.
I wonder, if Gulsonroad 'wonders what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are', why he just doesn't look at the financial reports?

Because it doesn't sit well with his ranting and the doom and despondency web sites he spends all day mulling over dunno

Quote by Robert400andKay
On another point I believe the levels of tax avoidance and evasion in Greece are significantly higher than other EU countries. Also there is a reported fall in unemployment which given the cautions reported at the same time is probably true.
Then there seems to be a whole mixture of spittle laden ranting, containing a mixture of truth, half truth, and some really not so truthful statements. Note to self never leave a beer any where near Gulsonroad at a social if it starts to look like he is going off on one!

It is a well known fact that Greece has been well less than compliant on EU fiscal requirements since well before they even joined the Euro.

Quote by Robert400andKay
Now trying to answer the main point of Gulsonroad's post. Being objective about the 'poor phuckers on sickness benefit, unemployment benefit, disability benefit and any other kind of welfare', the costs are indeed a significant drain on the system. Likewise money saved be reducing the number of fraudulent claims could be a significant boost to the UK economy.
This may well be why the 'Evil public school plutocrats' that are now the current government are looking at Disability benefits? I think the last government tried to do exactly the same thing with Disability benefits. So this benefit has been looked at twice now maybe because of abuse, rather than because 'people from very privileged backgrounds with vast wealth' want to 'dictate to others much less fortunate than themselves'?

:thumbup:

17 May 2012

Quote by Robert400andKay
Those look similar to the figures on which I based a previous response to a 'Gulson Rant' -
If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care. Also being (overly) charitable to the bankers the costs of the various bailouts are small compared to the rest of government expenditure.
I wonder, if Gulsonroad 'wonders what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are', why he just doesn't look at the financial reports?

That would be far too simple, although he wouldn't believe any of the figures anyway. He prefers to believe that the "mainstream" views, statistics etc are all lies and prefers to believe the conspiracy theories he reads on the websites that GNV alludes to. He has never ever yet produced an informed and coherent argument to back up any of his claims.

19 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks

Are you sure of these facts Gulson, or are you just making them again?
These are the actual figures
Total costs 2013
Pensions 137 bn
Health care 125 bn
Welfare 111 bn
Total £373 bn
Total bailout to banks for loans and shares £124 bn
well i thought that comment from gulson was a bit odd to be honest, and am glad you came to the rescue with some FACTS max. mr notts above took the words out of my mouth.
over to you mr gulson to try and explain your comment and the actual facts of the lets look at these figures in close up shall we.
the banks bailout figure is £325 billion and rising
pensions excluding privately funded £137,ooo,ooo,ooo ? that's how much for each person drawing state funded pensions ?
welfare benefits i take it £111,000,000,000 ? that's how much for each person on welfare (and those employed for providing it) ?
health care provided by the state £125,000,000,000 ? now lets look and see how much goes on p.f.i., pharmacuticals, rents, capital goods and equiptment. all these figures quoted are not spent on the general populus and you dont need to be an accountant to work out that they cannot be true.
how many people are in reciept of the state pension and state funded civil servant pensions ? 10 million ? 20 million ? a billion is a thousand million, so how much do they get each on average from 137,000,000,000 ?

19 May 2012

I am, I must admit quite disturbed by the apparent desire to conflate the benefits and health budgets

19 May 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks

Are you sure of these facts Gulson, or are you just making them again?
These are the actual figures
Total costs 2013
Pensions 137 bn
Health care 125 bn
Welfare 111 bn
Total £373 bn
Total bailout to banks for loans and shares £124 bn
well i thought that comment from gulson was a bit odd to be honest, and am glad you came to the rescue with some FACTS max. mr notts above took the words out of my mouth.
over to you mr gulson to try and explain your comment and the actual facts of the lets look at these figures in close up shall we.
the banks bailout figure is £325 billion and rising
Where do you get the "£325 billion and rising" figure from?
pensions excluding privately funded £137,ooo,ooo,ooo ? that's how much for each person drawing state funded pensions ?
welfare benefits i take it £111,000,000,000 ? that's how much for each person on welfare (and those employed for providing it) ?
health care provided by the state £125,000,000,000 ? now lets look and see how much goes on p.f.i., pharmacuticals, rents, capital goods and equiptment. all these figures quoted are not spent on the general populus and you dont need to be an accountant to work out that they cannot be true.
So who are these figures spent on then? How can the general populous be treated without hospitals, equipment, drugs etc?
how many people are in reciept of the state pension and state funded civil servant pensions ? 10 million ? 20 million ? a billion is a thousand million, so how much do they get each on average from 137,000,000,000 ?
Well if there were 20 million pensioners, they would each get £6750. Outlandish eh? However it doesn't quite work like that.
Have a look at the figures on this website, then maybe you can return with a little more coherent argument as to why the figures can not be true.

19 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I am, I must admit quite disturbed by the apparent desire to conflate the benefits and health budgets

So who's doing that then Staggs?

19 May 2012

Quote by Max777
I am, I must admit quite disturbed by the apparent desire to conflate the benefits and health budgets

So who's doing that then Staggs?
It was this

Quote by Robert400andKay
If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care.

and the fact that no-one saw fit to point out that health care hadn't been mentioned and wasn't what was being discussed, that I thought looked suspiciously like an assertion and acceptance of that assertion that the health and benefits budgets were indeed the same thing ... now I'm sure this wasn't the intent of the statement but I'm also sure that there are certain things that NEED to be made clear .... it is the nature of the system that public opinion is changed by tiny steps,one should be careful not to tread that path,even by accident

19 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I am, I must admit quite disturbed by the apparent desire to conflate the benefits and health budgets

So who's doing that then Staggs?
It was this

Quote by Robert400andKay
If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care.

and the fact that no-one saw fit to point out that health care hadn't been mentioned and wasn't what was being discussed, that I thought looked suspiciously like an assertion and acceptance of that assertion that the health and benefits budgets were indeed the same thing ... now I'm sure this wasn't the intent of the statement but I'm also sure that there are certain things that NEED to be made clear .... it is the nature of the system that public opinion is changed by tiny steps,one should be careful not to tread that path,even by accident
I think what they they have said is crystal clear but then again I'm not looking to try and read into it what's not there.

19 May 2012

Quote by Max777
I think what they they have said is crystal clear but then again I'm not looking to try and read into it what's not there.

And my point was and is that the statement is open to misinterpretation and should be clarified ... as I said tiny steps

19 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

I think what they they have said is crystal clear but then again I'm not looking to try and read into it what's not there.

And my point was and is that the statement is open to misinterpretation and should be clarified ... as I said tiny steps
As I explained in equally tiny steps.......in my opinion it is not open to misinterpretation, it's crystal clear.

19 May 2012

Quote by Max777

I think what they they have said is crystal clear but then again I'm not looking to try and read into it what's not there.

And my point was and is that the statement is open to misinterpretation and should be clarified ... as I said tiny steps
As I explained in equally tiny steps.......in my opinion it is not open to misinterpretation, it's crystal clear.
Oh Max ... does the fact that I apparently misinterpreted the statement not tell you something ???
My point is that in a thread that discusses benefits, where in many cases the validity of those benefits is being questioned to casually and unprompted throw the health budget into the mix also puts that budget under , you will, I'm sure, have noted that I've stated that I'm sure that was not the intent ... nevertheless I do believe clarification was needed

19 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

I think what they they have said is crystal clear but then again I'm not looking to try and read into it what's not there.

And my point was and is that the statement is open to misinterpretation and should be clarified ... as I said tiny steps
As I explained in equally tiny steps.......in my opinion it is not open to misinterpretationn, it's crystal clear.
Oh Max ... does the fact that I apparently misinterpreted the statement not tell you something ???
My point is that in a thread that discusses benefits, where in many cases the validity of those benefits is being questioned to casually and unprompted throw the health budget into the mix also puts that budget under , you will, I'm sure, have noted that I've stated that I'm sure that was not the intent ... nevertheless I do believe clarification was needed
Oh Staggers, it does indeed tell me something, something that I have already alluded to. That you are reading into it what is not there.
Oh and by the way, they said it in a totally different thread. This what was said
"However I don't think that savings on defense spending are going to be sufficient to address the UK's deficit. If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care. Also being (overly) charitable to the bankers the costs of the various bailouts are small compared to the rest of government expenditure"
To me that is perfectly clear, without any hidden agenda but I'm sure that the author(s) of the post can speak for themselves.

19 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now, you will, I'm sure, have noted that I've stated that I'm sure that was not the intent ... nevertheless I do believe clarification was needed

Quote by Max777
Oh Staggers, it does indeed tell me something, something that I have already alluded to. That you are reading into it what is not there.

So it is open to misinterpretation ?? make your mind up

20 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now, you will, I'm sure, have noted that I've stated that I'm sure that was not the intent ... nevertheless I do believe clarification was needed

Quote by Max777
Oh Staggers, it does indeed tell me something, something that I have already alluded to. That you are reading into it what is not there.

So it is open to misinterpretation ?? make your mind up
There is a distinct difference in something being open to misinterpretation and someone trying desperately to read what he wants to read and not what's actually written..

20 May 2012

My post

Quote by robert400andkay
Those look similar to the figures on which I based a previous response to a 'Gulson Rant' -
If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care. Also being (overly) charitable to the bankers the costs of the various bailouts are small compared to the rest of government expenditure.
I wonder, if Gulsonroad 'wonders what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are', why he just doesn't look at the financial reports?
On another point I believe the levels of tax avoidance and evasion in Greece are significantly higher than other EU countries. Also there is a reported fall in unemployment which given the cautions reported at the same time is probably true.
Then there seems to be a whole mixture of spittle laden ranting, containing a mixture of truth, half truth, and some really not so truthful statements. Note to self never leave a beer any where near Gulsonroad at a social if it starts to look like he is going off on one!
Now trying to answer the main point of Gulsonroad's post. Being objective about the 'poor phuckers on sickness benefit, unemployment benefit, disability benefit and any other kind of welfare', the costs are indeed a significant drain on the system. Likewise money saved be reducing the number of fraudulent claims could be a significant boost to the UK economy.
This may well be why the 'Evil public school plutocrats' that are now the current government are looking at Disability benefits? I think the last government tried to do exactly the same thing with Disability benefits. So this benefit has been looked at twice now maybe because of abuse, rather than because 'people from very privileged backgrounds with vast wealth' want to 'dictate to others much less fortunate than themselves'?

as a response to

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks but it's all the fault of your next door neighbour or the immigrants. not to mention the necessary predatory wars to steal natural resources in the name of spreading democracy or humanitarianisn.
the greeks are not tax avoiding lazy phuckers. their puppet government sold out to goldman sachs with creative accounting to join the euro with the full knowledge of the rest of the e.u. bankers and politicians before they joined as did many others.
austerity (for the too small to save) reduces cash in circulation. this in turn reduces demand and therefore employment. lenders not lending as much as is taken back in interest reduces cash in circulation further depressing demand (production and employment).
statistics claiming a fall in unemployment at this time is pure propaganda to keep you in hope and in a trance just like x factor and soaps, it's all make believe.
oh there's global warming caused by mans activity, we gotta reduce our carbon footprint and pay carbon tax. oh no, we gotta avian/swine flu pandemic. we gotta stay indoors and buy loadsa drugs bollox. handy timing for big pharma, they gotta antidote bullshit.
osama bin liner blew up the towers and he's in afghanistan. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
saddam got weapons of mass destruction and can hit cyprus in 45min. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
gaddaffi is bombin his own and handin out viagra. quick, lets bomb the bastard.
assad is shootin his own. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
the iranians gettin nuclear power whilst surrounded by countries with nukes. quick, lets bomb the bastards.......
so, them poor phuckers on sickness benefit, unemployment benefit, disability benefit and any other kind of welfare are draining the system from us hard workin tax payers. lets bomb the bastards and while we are at it, those public sector lazy phuckers on high pensions (that they pay an increased contribution to), lets bomb them phuckers too, that will get the country back on it's feet.

If you look Mr Gulson was curious as to the costs of 'unemployment and disability benefits' but also wished to add in 'cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions'.
I had already made a statement on a previous thread (as was noted in the post on this thread) which I quoted regarding the relative costs albeit this didn't include the above mentioned pension costs.
Besides that Max777 had already posted the figures for both the benefits and health budgets.
The point of the post was to show that the costs of the NHS, and benefits of various kinds do not pale into insignificance compared with the costs of either bailing out the banks, or various wars.
So Staggerlee_BB I'm not quite sure why this post disturbs you? I can find three specific points in your posts which are -
It was this

If you look a good half to two thirds of expenditure goes on benefits, and health care.

and the fact that no-one saw fit to point out that health care hadn't been mentioned and wasn't what was being discussed, that I thought looked suspiciously like an assertion and acceptance of that assertion that the health and benefits budgets were indeed the same thing ... now I'm sure this wasn't the intent of the statement but I'm also sure that there are certain things that NEED to be made clear .... it is the nature of the system that public opinion is changed by tiny steps,one should be careful not to tread that path,even by accident
I did not intend to make this assertion when I made the post. You could read this assertion into the single sentence you extracted. In the context of both my (whole) post, and the thread, this isn't true. You also say that Health care hadn't been mentioned, and yet it had.
And my point was and is that the statement is open to misinterpretation and should be clarified ... as I said tiny steps
Like extracting a single statement, posting it back out of context and saying that it could be misinterpreted?
Oh Max ... does the fact that I apparently misinterpreted the statement not tell you something ???
My point is that in a thread that discusses benefits, where in many cases the validity of those benefits is being questioned to casually and unprompted throw the health budget into the mix also puts that budget under , you will, I'm sure, have noted that I've stated that I'm sure that was not the intent ... nevertheless I do believe clarification was needed
The fact that you misinterpreted the statement tells me a lot! But that aside I did not either unprompted throw into the mix, nor indeed casually question the health budget.

20 May 2012

Quote by Robert400andKay
The fact that you misinterpreted the statement tells me a lot! But that aside I did not either unprompted throw into the mix, nor indeed casually question the health budget.

welcome to the strange world of mr staggers. :bounce:
some peeple as you will see from this forum take great delight in creating problems, where problems do not exist. your response robert was both calm and measured and accurate. :thumbup:
i am sure though that will not be the final word though, as some do love the final word on here.:doh:

20 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now, you will, I'm sure, have noted that I've stated that I'm sure that was not the intent ... nevertheless I do believe clarification was needed

Perhaps I should have started thus ....

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions.

I have as I've previously admitted the habit of just skimming through Gulsons posts ....nevertheless
it is a mistake to conflate the two

20 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I have as I've previously admitted the habit of just skimming through Gulsons posts ....nevertheless
it is a mistake to conflate the two

I doubt any sane person can do other to be honest...

have these austerity measures gone to far?