I think the church can be blamed for a lot of this.
I hate religion as it causes more problems than anything else in the world.
The Catholics change the goalposts to suit, as no doubt most do...not all.
If you look at the churches take on homosexuality it is hugely negative.
For me I am not really is not something I tend to think about too much if honest.
I know a few gay guys, but the fact they are gay has no bearing on my like of them.
Yes it should be and no doubt is discussed in schools, but at the right age to do so. Hetrosexuality is still the " norm " and that is how it should be taught in schools, not as in some where they seem to teach it above hetrosexuality.
But live and let live like with most things, we are in the 21st century now, not the 18th.
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Homophobia
Quote by Kaznkev
Why is homophobia still so prevelent in the 21st century?
Should it be tackled in schools?
Whats the opinion on here?
Can u swing and be homophobic? (without being a hypocrite)
In my humble opinion;
Its still prevalent in some areas of society due to ignorance and the prejudice to accept that folks are different from the colour of their skin to their sexuality.
Should it be tackled in schools? no guidance begins at home. But hey if you can't trust parents to give a balanced and un-prejudiced view then schools will have to step in, I think that puts too much responsibility on schools and leaves them open to blame and criticism, again.
And finally "can you swing and be homophobic" oh most definately and be totally hypocritical at the same time. We have spoken to couples who abhor bi or gay men and have refused to play because their prospective playmates for that night have swung with bi-men before. I say hypocrits because they are quite happy for the girls to play but not the men!
We are quite happy to play no matter the so-called label put on people!!
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so a lad is in intensive care after being jumped outside a club and Nick Griffin can say he finds the site of 2 men kissing sickeningWhy is homophobia still so prevelent in the 21st century?
Should it be tackled in schools?
Whats the opinion on here?
Can u swing and be homophobic? (without being a hypocrite)
Why is that homophobic? I am sickened by the smell and taste of brussel sprouts, but that doesn't make me veggiephobic. Because Griffin is brave enough to voice an opinion about a personal dislike, you feel able to mis-label and accuse him of homophobia. Perhaps you're truthophobic?
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Yes it should be and no doubt is discussed in schools, but at the right age to do so. Hetrosexuality is still the " norm " and that is how it should be taught in schools, not as in some where they seem to teach it above hetrosexuality.
I think that sexuality should not be discussed in school. As I don't think someone can give an unbiased opinion on what is an emotive subject no matter what the curriculum says. By all means teach sex education i.e the biological function, but sexuality is a no-no for me.
This is the same as Religion, as Mr. Kent pointed out some Religions have preached one thing and then some of their members have done the exact opposite.
Religious groups, Schools, Political Parties etc should not be involved in telling us what we should or shouldn't be.
Quote by SlurpySarah
so a lad is in intensive care after being jumped outside a club and Nick Griffin can say he finds the site of 2 men kissing sickeningWhy is homophobia still so prevelent in the 21st century?
Should it be tackled in schools?
Whats the opinion on here?
Can u swing and be homophobic? (without being a hypocrite)
Why is that homophobic? I am sickened by the smell and taste of brussel sprouts, but that doesn't make me veggiephobic. Because Griffin is brave enough to voice an opinion about a personal dislike, you feel able to mis-label and accuse him of homophobia. Perhaps you're truthophobic?
It actually makes you sprout-o-phobic.
His comments are homophobic as his prejudices influence his party's doctrine. As he sees it and stated publicly he doesn't want gay folks kissing in the street, but they can do it behind closed doors at home. I'm sorry but that is persecution and therefore it is homophobic.
Maybe he's just pandering to the ever-increasing muslim population who see homosexuality as a sin and a crime punishable by death. In Saudi Arabia, for example, it's death by stoning. Mind you, I got nicely stoned BEFORE my last gay kiss - far more civilised. Or maybe he's trying to protect gay people by warning them not to be seen "at it" by any passing Islamic vigilantes. Did you know that the entire muslim population of the world, and indeed this country, are openly homophobic?? Don't you think we should start by solving that problem and then move on to the more minor matters? 
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I do not think the ideals of the BNP are minor at all.
As I previously stated no religious group should comment on peoples sexuality. Muslim, Christian, Hinduism etc they are all as bad as each other in my eyes.
That is true but....they have as much right to discuss or have opinions as the man on the street.
En-mass people will never except Homosexuality as any kind of norm. Certainly not my parents generation. Yes peoples attitudes have changed over the last 15 odd years on this, but it takes a lot longer than that to change peoples lifetime attitudes, as I said certainly the older generation.
We are much more Liberal in our exceptance of peoples sexuality than ever before, and rightly so but you cannot force people to change their opinions on something that a huge ammount of people find distasteful.
Btw...the is NOT my take on it before people start screaming homophobic at me.
Quote by kentswingers777
they have as much right to discuss or have opinions as the man on the street.
No they don't, they want to impress their ideals and ways onto a minority which is categorically unlawful and therefore have no right under Human Rights Law to do so.
They can discuss and have an opinion as much as anyone else but they don't stop at opinion they make it their "rules and laws" see slurpysarah's comments on Saudia Arabia stoning people who are gay, if this was true then what right have they to do this?
People can not help their sexuality in the same way as a Down Syndrome person can help theirs.
We follow this path and we follow a path back to the holocaust.
I dont care what happens in Saudi Arabia or indeed the Muslim opinion of homosexuality, that is there belief and just like you or i they are entitled to it!
Many muslims living in this country were born here and are indeed british, they are entitled to have there faith and its views, just like a catholic or christian who were also born here, the muslims here may believe homosexuality is wrong but i am yet to witness any stonings to death?!?!?
Homosexuals may get stoned to death in Saudi Arabia and that is the right of that country and a very old law, who are we to argue about it and comment, after all we give convicted paedophiles 2 year jail terms here yet in Saudi this is also punishable by death, i bet many would not complain if we took the same route here on that one, people are very quick to jump to the defense of our own laws when they are questioned by other religions or nationalities yet then slate others for there laws and beliefs.
I am also going to say that anyone who can not see that Nick Griffin is a complete racist, homophobic neanderthal might need serious psychiatric help!
I am a white working class fella of 37 i have very close muslim friends and colleagues and my 2 best friends are gay and indeed married via civil partnership i however believe that people are entitled to both there religious and moral beliefs.
As for the comment by slurpysarah about sorting the "muslim" problem i assume you are a BNP supporter and would send them back to where they came from.............? Where is that exactly?
Many muslims living in this country were born here and are indeed british, they are entitled to have there faith and its views, just like a catholic or christian who were also born here, the muslims here may believe homosexuality is wrong but i am yet to witness any stonings to death?!?!?
Homosexuals may get stoned to death in Saudi Arabia and that is the right of that country and a very old law, who are we to argue about it and comment, after all we give convicted paedophiles 2 year jail terms here yet in Saudi this is also punishable by death, i bet many would not complain if we took the same route here on that one, people are very quick to jump to the defense of our own laws when they are questioned by other religions or nationalities yet then slate others for there laws and beliefs.
I am also going to say that anyone who can not see that Nick Griffin is a complete racist, homophobic neanderthal might need serious psychiatric help!
I am a white working class fella of 37 i have very close muslim friends and colleagues and my 2 best friends are gay and indeed married via civil partnership i however believe that people are entitled to both there religious and moral beliefs.
As for the comment by slurpysarah about sorting the "muslim" problem i assume you are a BNP supporter and would send them back to where they came from.............? Where is that exactly?
But jumptoit some people do care what happens to minorities in other countries. The mentality of "not in my backyard" is not conducive to the well being of humankind.
As I said in my statement if the stoning of people who are gay is true, it used to be it isn't any more and thankfully due to liberal groups like Amnesty International peoples views in these countries are changing.
Having a faith,a belief and a view is the freedom of speech but you can not use that to instigate violence or persecute people!
As I said in my statement if the stoning of people who are gay is true, it used to be it isn't any more and thankfully due to liberal groups like Amnesty International peoples views in these countries are changing.
Having a faith,a belief and a view is the freedom of speech but you can not use that to instigate violence or persecute people!
No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
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No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
You shouldn't believe everything you hear...thats complete and utter crap!!
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No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
You shouldn't believe everything you hear...thats complete and utter crap!!
Powers it is NOT crap.
A prison officer I know told me this happens in his prison based in Kent.
Or are you saying a prison officer who works nights in a prison is not telling me the truth?
I can state it IS a fact matey.
Now as that IS a fact, what does that make the human rights act?
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No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
You shouldn't believe everything you hear...thats complete and utter crap!!
Powers it is NOT crap.
A prison officer I know told me this happens in his prison based in Kent.
Or are you saying a prison officer who works nights in a prison is not telling me the truth?
I can state it IS a fact matey.
Now as that IS a fact, what does that make the human rights act?
Mr. Powewrs, Mr. Kent is quite right and some Prison Officers are allowed to wear slippers and trainers at night.
However it is not for the reason that Mr. Kent has stated, it is nothing to do with waking prisoners up. It is all about the prison officers welfare, they are allowed to "downgrade" their prison uniform when doing nightwork due to the mainly domestic duty they perform compared to the more masculine role that happens in the day.
And it isn't all prisons only some.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
You shouldn't believe everything you hear...thats complete and utter crap!!
Powers it is NOT crap.
A prison officer I know told me this happens in his prison based in Kent.
Or are you saying a prison officer who works nights in a prison is not telling me the truth?
I can state it IS a fact matey.
Now as that IS a fact, what does that make the human rights act?
Why would anyone have a problem with this ??
surely a well rested more content prisoner is more likely to be a better behaved prisoner.
Quote by Rogue_trader
No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
You shouldn't believe everything you hear...thats complete and utter crap!!
Powers it is NOT crap.
A prison officer I know told me this happens in his prison based in Kent.
Or are you saying a prison officer who works nights in a prison is not telling me the truth?
I can state it IS a fact matey.
Now as that IS a fact, what does that make the human rights act?
Mr. Powewrs, Mr. Kent is quite right and some Prison Officers are allowed to wear slippers and trainers at night.
However it is not for the reason that Mr. Kent has stated, it is nothing to do with waking prisoners up. It is all about the prison officers welfare, they are allowed to "downgrade" their prison uniform when doing nightwork due to the mainly domestic duty they perform compared to the more masculine role that happens in the day.
And it isn't all prisons only some.
I'm fully aware what a prison officer is allowed to wear and what not to were whilst doing night duty...Prison officers are not allowed to wear trainers whilst working nights...if they do,they must take appropriate footwear aswell,incase a manager does a random night check,it's at their risk...and has nothing to do with the human rights of the prisoners wanting a quite nights sleep!
Sex God
Back on topic homophobia is as a concept as ridiculous as agrophobia aracnophobia or any other phobia,it's there in the word....phobia's are irrational fears.
Muslim homophobia is a rascist red herring....yes many muslim countries have laws outlawing homosexuality the same countries have to a large extent spent thousands of years refining and its who has read T.H. Lawrence or even seen the film Lawrence of Arabia ffs can plainly see that whilst homosexuality is officially frowned upon and heterosexual marriage expected ,once ones duty as a husband was/is fulfilled a gay relationship is perfectly acceptable and often encouraged....muslims like anyone else are perfectly capable of bending the rules for the sake of convenience.
Yes I know Lawrence of Arabia is a bad example but to be frank I really can't be bothered to carry out anymore research to counter anyones ridiculous spiteful bigotry.
Muslim homophobia is a rascist red herring....yes many muslim countries have laws outlawing homosexuality the same countries have to a large extent spent thousands of years refining and its who has read T.H. Lawrence or even seen the film Lawrence of Arabia ffs can plainly see that whilst homosexuality is officially frowned upon and heterosexual marriage expected ,once ones duty as a husband was/is fulfilled a gay relationship is perfectly acceptable and often encouraged....muslims like anyone else are perfectly capable of bending the rules for the sake of convenience.
Yes I know Lawrence of Arabia is a bad example but to be frank I really can't be bothered to carry out anymore research to counter anyones ridiculous spiteful bigotry.
Why is it that people HAVE to conform??
Mt parents would never ever except that, certainly not my Father. Ok he may well be homophobic, but he is from a generation that found that disgusting, as did their parents.
Now people want to FORCE their views on others, whatever that maybe.
If people think that homosexuality is wrong, then surely that is their right to think so?
Why is it that society now wants to vilify people who do not conform?
I have already stated MY opinions on homosexuality, but cannot understand why people force their beliefs onto others.
Mt parents would never ever except that, certainly not my Father. Ok he may well be homophobic, but he is from a generation that found that disgusting, as did their parents.
Now people want to FORCE their views on others, whatever that maybe.
If people think that homosexuality is wrong, then surely that is their right to think so?
Why is it that society now wants to vilify people who do not conform?
I have already stated MY opinions on homosexuality, but cannot understand why people force their beliefs onto others.
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Why is it that people HAVE to conform??
Mt parents would never ever except that, certainly not my Father. Ok he may well be homophobic, but he is from a generation that found that disgusting, as did their parents.
Now people want to FORCE their views on others, whatever that maybe.
If people think that homosexuality is wrong, then surely that is their right to think so?
Why is it that society now wants to vilify people who do not conform?
I have already stated MY opinions on homosexuality, but cannot understand why people force their beliefs onto others.
Because there are absolute rights and wrongs,,once you get into a relatvistic position it is impossible to declare anything wrong
I believe it is wrong to be prejudiced because of someones sexual may think what they want but homophobia is the expression of those thoughts ,society does not villify bigotry,it turns a blind eye
I'm wouldn't be comfortable watching two men kissing in front of me...does that make me homophobic?
Sex God
Freedom of speech is a right, but with these rights come responsibility not to oppress others. You may find two men kissing not to your personal taste but as long as you are not declaring that they can't do it or treating them differently for doing it then it's simply about your personal taste. I am sure there are many gay men who find a man and women kissing to be not to their taste too.
Homophobia does still exist. We still live in a society where people are attacked and even murdered because someone does not like their sexuality. This is fundamentaly wrong and a damning inditement on the society that we live in.
I believe that issues such as gender, race and sexuality should be covered in schools and from an early age which will help to combat the prejudices of society that children are exposed to as they get older. Very young children don't 'see' the colour of someones skin, their gender etc, they simply see people, their friends. It is society, parents, family influences etc that begin to breed into them hatred and intolerence.
Yes previous generations may be less accepting of homosexuality, but ones before that thought that black people should walk on the other side of the road, that women should be seen and not heard, that only the rich should vote and that that the world was flat and the wheel and fire were the epitomy of modern technology! Times change and society moves on. Gone are the days when a black person has to give up their seat to a white person on a bus. We even a black man as president of the USA. Somethings that was completely unimaginable only a generation ago.
By educating people we can change society, creating a more tolerant and accepting culture and ensuring that in future generations people are free to be who they are without fear or oppression.
Homophobia does still exist. We still live in a society where people are attacked and even murdered because someone does not like their sexuality. This is fundamentaly wrong and a damning inditement on the society that we live in.
I believe that issues such as gender, race and sexuality should be covered in schools and from an early age which will help to combat the prejudices of society that children are exposed to as they get older. Very young children don't 'see' the colour of someones skin, their gender etc, they simply see people, their friends. It is society, parents, family influences etc that begin to breed into them hatred and intolerence.
Yes previous generations may be less accepting of homosexuality, but ones before that thought that black people should walk on the other side of the road, that women should be seen and not heard, that only the rich should vote and that that the world was flat and the wheel and fire were the epitomy of modern technology! Times change and society moves on. Gone are the days when a black person has to give up their seat to a white person on a bus. We even a black man as president of the USA. Somethings that was completely unimaginable only a generation ago.
By educating people we can change society, creating a more tolerant and accepting culture and ensuring that in future generations people are free to be who they are without fear or oppression.
We spent yesterday helping two (gay) friends move into their new flat. The youngest two kids "helped" 
They don't bat an eyelid- they've grown up being shown that gay or straight, black or white, people are just people.
The mother of one of our gay friends turned up to see the new place- and their was an immediate frostiness in the air. I later found out that she harbours hopes that her son will "turn normal" one day.
My (older) parents were of the opiinion that gay's were somehow not normal- perverted even. I understand and don't resent them for it- it's all they ever knew. It would have been incredibly easy for that attitude to have rubbed off on me- it rubbed off on my siblings.
There are people who follow the sheep in every generation. If, at that time, the majority are homophobic, they'll follow. There are also the pioneers. The people who make a stand, and try to rally against irrational prejudice. I hope that within a couple of generations we'll be at a point where the homophobes are outnumbered. It will take time though- one of our daughters met us at the flat briefly with her boyfriend for a lift home. Boyfriend (17) was quite affronted that he'd spent time in a room with gay men.
If you're homophobic- you have every right to be so. If, however, your actions or words perpetuate the prejudice- I will take issue with it.
Ramble over...
They don't bat an eyelid- they've grown up being shown that gay or straight, black or white, people are just people.
The mother of one of our gay friends turned up to see the new place- and their was an immediate frostiness in the air. I later found out that she harbours hopes that her son will "turn normal" one day.
My (older) parents were of the opiinion that gay's were somehow not normal- perverted even. I understand and don't resent them for it- it's all they ever knew. It would have been incredibly easy for that attitude to have rubbed off on me- it rubbed off on my siblings.
There are people who follow the sheep in every generation. If, at that time, the majority are homophobic, they'll follow. There are also the pioneers. The people who make a stand, and try to rally against irrational prejudice. I hope that within a couple of generations we'll be at a point where the homophobes are outnumbered. It will take time though- one of our daughters met us at the flat briefly with her boyfriend for a lift home. Boyfriend (17) was quite affronted that he'd spent time in a room with gay men.
If you're homophobic- you have every right to be so. If, however, your actions or words perpetuate the prejudice- I will take issue with it.
Ramble over...
Orgasminator
I have a friend who is hetty-phobic....cant stand seeing hettys kissing!
I would shag captain jack no question.
I dont like wishy washy words like homophobia.
To me this kinda thing is all about hatred directed to people who are not part of your "crowd" for whatever reason. Sexuality is just one reason, race, social status, relative wealth , the list is endless. I dont know why some folk hate those who are different just as i dont know why some folk dont. Frankly it baffles me and I dont have any solutions.
As a teenager at school I was surrounded by racist homophobic (whats the word for people who hate the poor) people but my teenage son and daughters peer groups seem to be far more tolerant and accepting. I think thats a good sign.
I dont like wishy washy words like homophobia.
To me this kinda thing is all about hatred directed to people who are not part of your "crowd" for whatever reason. Sexuality is just one reason, race, social status, relative wealth , the list is endless. I dont know why some folk hate those who are different just as i dont know why some folk dont. Frankly it baffles me and I dont have any solutions.
As a teenager at school I was surrounded by racist homophobic (whats the word for people who hate the poor) people but my teenage son and daughters peer groups seem to be far more tolerant and accepting. I think thats a good sign.
I am honestly shocked at some of the views recently expressed in this forum.
I really did think as a society we had moved on; we were more educated and therefore more tolerant and accepting, of people differant to ourselves. What next, you want to ban people with down sydrome because the look and act differant to you.
I have no problem with two people of whatever colour, sexual origination expresing love for each other. Damn sight better than seeing, two people express hated and kick two barrels of shit out of each other, which can be seen regular on a saturday evening, in alot of big cities.
We are all differant from each other, in differant ways.
Lets celebrate our diversity and orginality
I really did think as a society we had moved on; we were more educated and therefore more tolerant and accepting, of people differant to ourselves. What next, you want to ban people with down sydrome because the look and act differant to you.
I have no problem with two people of whatever colour, sexual origination expresing love for each other. Damn sight better than seeing, two people express hated and kick two barrels of shit out of each other, which can be seen regular on a saturday evening, in alot of big cities.
We are all differant from each other, in differant ways.
Lets celebrate our diversity and orginality
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I would shag captain jack no question.
I dont like wishy washy words like homophobia.
To me this kinda thing is all about hatred directed to people who are not part of your "crowd" for whatever reason. Sexuality is just one reason, race, social status, relative wealth , the list is endless. I dont know why some folk hate those who are different just as i dont know why some folk dont. Frankly it baffles me and I dont have any solutions.
As a teenager at school I was surrounded by racist homophobic (whats the word for people who hate the poor) people but my teenage son and daughters peer groups seem to be far more tolerant and accepting. I think thats a good sign.
Benny why do you ALWAYS use the same arguement, when people differ from YOUR opinions??
It has nothing to do with hatred at all, it is to do with peoples thoughts as to what some find right or wrong.
It is not hatred to say I find it offensive to see two gay guys kissing in the street. It is of course about tolerance of others sexual practises. Because somebody does not like that, and it is against the churches very fundamentals, you call it hatred.
Are you seriously telling me that Father John from down the road, is expressing hatred?
It is HIS beliefs and those of others, and because they do not conform to YOUR stance, stop keep chucking the hate bollox about all the time.
