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Honorary knighthood for IRA supporter !!!

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Quote by flower411
Senator Ted Kennedy is to be awarded an honorary knighthood by Gordon Brown !! :shock:
Is this the ultimate insult to all those people who died in Northern Ireland and England. A man who openly and, more importantly, legally supported the IRA when they were waging their war on the British people ?
All of a sudden it suits America to fight terrorists but back in the day it was legal in America to openly support and raise funds for the IRA and now Gordon wants to start handing out honors to people who supported the terrorists cause !!
I suppose the biggest question is ...
"Why on earth would this man want to accept such an honour ?? "

I would have expected this to be started by Kenty and not by you flower......smile
is it anymore of a slap in the face than for example the likes of gerry adams, or martin mcguinness and verious people on both sides of the then troubles who have turned politicans who are now in big positions of power in northern ireland...
also a bit of clarification on what you wrote......
like him or loathe him, he was a bloody huge factor in getting Clinton and the US involved in the Irish peace process, In getting sinn fein to the table and untimately the good friday agreement
Just don't get in a car with him if he drives near a river...
And for what it is worth, I feel it is wrong that an 'honourary' knighthood is given to someone from another country.
Quote by essex34m
Just don't get in a car with him if he drives near a river...
And for what it is worth, I feel it is wrong that an 'honourary' knighthood is given to someone from another country.

That's me out then :lol2:
Quote by fabio
Senator Ted Kennedy is to be awarded an honorary knighthood by Gordon Brown !! :shock:
Is this the ultimate insult to all those people who died in Northern Ireland and England. A man who openly and, more importantly, legally supported the IRA when they were waging their war on the British people ?
All of a sudden it suits America to fight terrorists but back in the day it was legal in America to openly support and raise funds for the IRA and now Gordon wants to start handing out honors to people who supported the terrorists cause !!
I suppose the biggest question is ...
"Why on earth would this man want to accept such an honour ?? "

I would have expected this to be started by Kenty and not by you flower......smile
is it anymore of a slap in the face than for example the likes of gerry adams, or martin mcguinness and verious people on both sides of the then troubles who have turned politicans who are now in big positions of power in northern ireland...
also a bit of clarification on what you wrote......
like him or loathe him, he was a bloody huge factor in getting Clinton and the US involved in the Irish peace process, In getting sinn fein to the table and untimately the good friday agreement
A bit unfair Fabs.
I am not the only one who starts threads like these.
I really could not give a toss who gets knighted really. It is all a load of pompus bollocks anyway.
It means fuck all now really.
The only things I would have given Kennedy and his supporters of the IRA is, a long term in prison, and in my view they should still be inside, not released because of the Good Friday agreement.
Long may peace remain in Ireland.
Sigh!!! :gagged:
Yup I definately think the knighthood is wrong.
I would have agreed with Kent, but Its now too late. Lets ask the families of dead men who were murdered by the Real IRA what they think about it.
Incidentally Fab mate no it isn't any more of a slap in the face no. Do two wrongs make a right , no.
I have to ask if we manage to broker a series of peace talks with Al Qaeda will the US government happily sit down and have a free exchange of views with Bin Laden?
I wonder if there is a conference facility near Guantanamo?
Quote by Silk and Big G
I would have agreed with Kent, but Its now too late. Lets ask the families of dead men who were murdered by the Real IRA what they think about it.
Incidentally Fab mate no it isn't any more of a slap in the face no. Do two wrongs make a right , no.
I have to ask if we manage to broker a series of peace talks with Al Qaeda will the US government happily sit down and have a free exchange of views with Bin Laden?
I wonder if there is a conference facility near Guantanamo?

Dont get me started on that one.....I wonder if anyone will do a thread about the " alledged " happenings there? cool
Quote by flower411
Senator Ted Kennedy is to be awarded an honorary knighthood by Gordon Brown !! :shock:

Well they gave the tyrant Mugabe one so why not him.
me
Quote by medic_1
Senator Ted Kennedy is to be awarded an honorary knighthood by Gordon Brown !! :shock:

Well they gave the tyrant Mugabe one so why not him.
me
"They" being the Conservative government of the day: just so the Lefties can't get blamed for that as well (well, they no doubt will... but they shouldn't!)
Quote by noladreams30
Senator Ted Kennedy is to be awarded an honorary knighthood by Gordon Brown !! :shock:

Well they gave the tyrant Mugabe one so why not him.
me
"They" being the Conservative government of the day: just so the Lefties can't get blamed for that as well (well, they no doubt will... but they shouldn't!)
"They" being the civil serpants of the day.
Quote by flower411
Senator Ted Kennedy is to be awarded an honorary knighthood by Gordon Brown !! :shock:

Well they gave the tyrant Mugabe one so why not him.
me
"They" being the Conservative government of the day: just so the Lefties can't get blamed for that as well (well, they no doubt will... but they shouldn't!)
I can`t really see that it`s a case of left or right !!
It`s just that countries that support and finance terrorists should not be supported and members of their governments should not be given awards !!
Bombing of civillians was actively encouraged by the United States throughout the seventies and eighties.
Do you know when IRA fund raising was banned in the US ??
I was perhaps being a tad tongue in cheek flower, and yes I am aware of the US links with the IRA and the Congress approved fund raising... my degree is in American Politics so I could get on my soapbox about IRA fundraising... or the NRA, the pro-life lobby, the Zionists, Big Oil... but I can't see what good it would do.
And now as if by magic since this post was started the "real IRA" have attacked an army base, i feel a here we go again thing starting about everything, recessions,Ireland,corrupt politicians,the unions are revolting (in more ways than one) i am really getting a sinking feeling that life is getting shitter and shitter with no happiness or good news in sight anywhere, long live Gordon Brown and the labour party!!!!
Hold on jump mate. If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.
Who ever told you the government was responsible for your personal happiness sold you a pup.
The vast majority of problems in our society that I can see come largely from the fact that too many folk sit around looking at their problems, no matter how personal, and say 'why doesn't the government do something about this?"
How profound silkandbig and what total clap trap, so the goverment have not caused the recession with there tottally negligent running of the country, and the government are not going to be to blame for the massive tax increases we are going to be facing when we get out of this depression we are in caused by the governments negligence, and troops are not dying in Afghanistan and Iraq due to lack of government funding allowing the troops to have the right kit (having paid £200 for a pair of desert boots for myself this is fact), oh i could go on for hours ask Kent, the problem with this country is too many people bury there heads in the sand and have far too many rose tinted glasses on!! I could easily pretend everything is rosey and Gordon Brown is wonderful, i anm not anti Labour or Gordon Brown but he and his parties negligence is to blame for much unhappiness at this present time that your comments are laughable.
Quote by jumptoit
How profound silkandbig and what total clap trap, so the goverment have not caused the recession with there tottally negligent running of the country, and the government are not going to be to blame for the massive tax increases we are going to be facing when we get out of this depression we are in caused by the governments negligence, and troops are not dying in Afghanistan and Iraq due to lack of government funding allowing the troops to have the right kit (having paid £200 for a pair of desert boots for myself this is fact), oh i could go on for hours ask Kent, the problem with this country is too many people bury there heads in the sand and have far too many rose tinted glasses on!! I could easily pretend everything is rosey and Gordon Brown is wonderful, i anm not anti Labour or Gordon Brown but he and his parties negligence is to blame for much unhappiness at this present time that your comments are laughable.

£200!!!!!i think soldiers are paid way too much!
Quote by jumptoit
How profound silkandbig and what total clap trap, so the goverment have not caused the recession with there tottally negligent running of the country, and the government are not going to be to blame for the massive tax increases we are going to be facing when we get out of this depression we are in caused by the governments negligence, and troops are not dying in Afghanistan and Iraq due to lack of government funding allowing the troops to have the right kit (having paid £200 for a pair of desert boots for myself this is fact), oh i could go on for hours ask Kent, the problem with this country is too many people bury there heads in the sand and have far too many rose tinted glasses on!! I could easily pretend everything is rosey and Gordon Brown is wonderful, i anm not anti Labour or Gordon Brown but he and his parties negligence is to blame for much unhappiness at this present time that your comments are laughable.

I don't think the government alone can be held responsible for a global economic collapse.
Mr Powers of course we are paid too much, i mean we get to go to all the hot sandy places, wear fantastic fashions and sleep in 0 star accomodation,whilst providing our own kit and fun.
No Nola they cant be solely blamed but i get the impression from some that the opinion is they are blameless, they were voted in to do a job, they are quick to fine people for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin, but not regulate the bankers who started this mess, no they are not to blame in anyway especially if you are a labour supporter!
Quote by jumptoit
Mr Powers of course we are paid too much, i mean we get to go to all the hot sandy places, wear fantastic fashions and sleep in 0 star accomodation,whilst providing our own kit and fun.

stop it, stop it!!
i'm getting bloody jealous now! rolleyes
Quote by flower411
Is this the ultimate insult to all those people who died in Northern Ireland and England.

No, in my view it isnt.
people died in Northern Ireland because people took up weapons against each other. The ultimate insult was their being killed in the first place.
Quote by noladreams30
How profound silkandbig and what total clap trap, so the goverment have not caused the recession with there tottally negligent running of the country, and the government are not going to be to blame for the massive tax increases we are going to be facing when we get out of this depression we are in caused by the governments negligence, and troops are not dying in Afghanistan and Iraq due to lack of government funding allowing the troops to have the right kit (having paid £200 for a pair of desert boots for myself this is fact), oh i could go on for hours ask Kent, the problem with this country is too many people bury there heads in the sand and have far too many rose tinted glasses on!! I could easily pretend everything is rosey and Gordon Brown is wonderful, i anm not anti Labour or Gordon Brown but he and his parties negligence is to blame for much unhappiness at this present time that your comments are laughable.

I don't think the government alone can be held responsible for a global economic collapse.
But the Commissar claims he saved the world from it...
Quote by jumptoit
How profound silkandbig and what total clap trap, so the goverment have not caused the recession with there tottally negligent running of the country, and the government are not going to be to blame for the massive tax increases we are going to be facing when we get out of this depression we are in caused by the governments negligence, and troops are not dying in Afghanistan and Iraq due to lack of government funding allowing the troops to have the right kit (having paid £200 for a pair of desert boots for myself this is fact), oh i could go on for hours ask Kent, the problem with this country is too many people bury there heads in the sand and have far too many rose tinted glasses on!! I could easily pretend everything is rosey and Gordon Brown is wonderful, i anm not anti Labour or Gordon Brown but he and his parties negligence is to blame for much unhappiness at this present time that your comments are laughable.

Dont get me started on this " new Labour ".
They treat our troops like crap, both when fit and when injured.
They, I mean Brown, WAS chancellor for ten yes ten flipping years. You really expect me to believe that none of this bollox is his fault? Blair just happened to leave at the time he did?
Getting back to the issue......Kennedy getting a knighthood, is like huntley the tosser being given his freedom...it would stink to high heaven.
Brown has lost the plot, not that he ever had it to start with!!!
Blaire for president. :shock:
I cant be arsed wit ya Jump. So ..........what everyone else said.......ya ya ya yada
Quote by flower411

Is this the ultimate insult to all those people who died in Northern Ireland and England.

No, in my view it isnt.
people died in Northern Ireland because people took up weapons against each other. The ultimate insult was their being killed in the first place.
But giving honours to the people who promoted, condoned and funded the killers is still a bit iffy !!
No ?
No more than giving the Noble Peace Prize to Trimble and Hume - Takes more than 1 to have a war / fight, maybe some are forgetting the IRA are not the only ones whom were waging a 'war'
The cause of all wars in my opinion are religion and governments and both were involved in Ireland and are now in Afghanistan and Iraq etc.....
People fight for their beliefs rightly or wrongly.
Perhaps we should consider honours to mend old divisions.
I would like to put forward Napoleon for a Baronet and Hitler for Dukedom.
The giving of the said honours will undoubtedly let all know that we no longer hold any thing against those very nice and mis-understood individuals.
....and if you think I am putting my name to this....
Quote by flower411
But giving honours to the people who promoted, condoned and funded the killers is still a bit iffy !!
No ?

Flower, is there any concrete evidence that Ted Kennedy raised funds through NORAID or actively supported the IRA's terrorist campaign, because all I can find on google are unsupported allegations along those lines, and a counter-argument that says he actively denounced the IRA on more than one occasion, denounced the channelling of funds to them through NORAID in the U.S., forged links mainly with constitutional Republican parties like the SDLP of John Hume, and as early as 1968 was calling for a resolution to the conflict through exclusively constitutional and democratic means?
I accept that he was a sympathiser with Republican aims, and calling for a U.S. Visa to be granted to Gerry Adams links him to Sinn Fein at a time when PIRA were looking for a way out of armed conflict, but that's not the same thing at all as promoting, condoning and funding murder.
Neil x x x ;)
Quote by neilinleeds
But giving honours to the people who promoted, condoned and funded the killers is still a bit iffy !!
No ?

Flower, is there any concrete evidence that Ted Kennedy raised funds through NORAID or actively supported the IRA's terrorist campaign, because all I can find on google are unsupported allegations along those lines, and a counter-argument that says he actively denounced the IRA on more than one occasion, denounced the channelling of funds to them through NORAID in the U.S., forged links mainly with constitutional Republican parties like the SDLP of John Hume, and as early as 1968 was calling for a resolution to the conflict through exclusively constitutional and democratic means?
I accept that he was a sympathiser with Republican aims, and calling for a U.S. Visa to be granted to Gerry Adams links him to Sinn Fein at a time when PIRA were looking for a way out of armed conflict, but that's not the same thing at all as promoting, condoning and funding murder.
Neil x x x ;)
That statement sums it all up for me.
How can somebody in his position be a sympathiser with people who kill and maime and slaughter innocents?
Remember the Omah bombings? Where they deliberatly sent people the wrong way? So they were heading towards the bomb? What kind of people do this, and more importantly, what kind of high powered politician " sympathises " with these people?
For him to do that shows to me he was up to his grubby neck in it, that is fundraising. Gut instinct is much better than a Google search in my book.
Kent, Republican does not necessarily mean IRA terrorist does it? It's perfectly possible to believe in the political aims of Irish Nationalism, and yet be a staunch opponent of paramilitary violence. Confusing the two is a favoured tactic of those who would try and tar all nationalists with the same brush, and does a disservice to those who have fought for nationalist aims using only democratic means while simultaneously fighting the violence within their own communities.
Neil x x x ;)