I have to be honest, I am not overly bothered by this, either way as it is not in my back yard, so to speak. But there does seam to be more things that are against it than for it.
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One thing that does spring to mind is, who will this railway belong to? Looks as though this will be funded by tax payers yet the railways have been privatized.... Does anyone know the facts or how this will work?
I have mixed feelings on this.
As someone who stands to benefit, yes, I would like to see it. However, I am also a naive fool who would love to see the work carried out by British contractors and staff. I'm not entirely sure there is much benefit to HS2 overall.
£33bn would do a lot to the current network, platform extensions enabling longer trains, better maintenance and renewals of the current network would be projects that would make a big difference to rail passengers. Yes, travelling times between London and Birmingham would be reduced, but that would only make a difference to those who are travelling between the two cities.
If the entire network is overhauled, then everyone benefits, and not just the general rail passenger either. Felixstowe port has undergone extension plans to their rail operations, with more freight being taken by rail than ever. Ford have their own rail freight depot's to take vehicles and parts by rail.
The rail network dates from the Victorian times, it is (in many places) in need of renewal, and the building of HS2 will (IMO) detract from that.
As someone who stands to benefit, yes, I would like to see it. However, I am also a naive fool who would love to see the work carried out by British contractors and staff. I'm not entirely sure there is much benefit to HS2 overall.
£33bn would do a lot to the current network, platform extensions enabling longer trains, better maintenance and renewals of the current network would be projects that would make a big difference to rail passengers. Yes, travelling times between London and Birmingham would be reduced, but that would only make a difference to those who are travelling between the two cities.
If the entire network is overhauled, then everyone benefits, and not just the general rail passenger either. Felixstowe port has undergone extension plans to their rail operations, with more freight being taken by rail than ever. Ford have their own rail freight depot's to take vehicles and parts by rail.
The rail network dates from the Victorian times, it is (in many places) in need of renewal, and the building of HS2 will (IMO) detract from that.
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I have mixed feelings on this.
As someone who stands to benefit, yes, I would like to see it. However, I am also a naive fool who would love to see the work carried out by British contractors and staff. I'm not entirely sure there is much benefit to HS2 overall.
£33bn would do a lot to the current network, platform extensions enabling longer trains, better maintenance and renewals of the current network would be projects that would make a big difference to rail passengers. Yes, travelling times between London and Birmingham would be reduced, but that would only make a difference to those who are travelling between the two cities.
If the entire network is overhauled, then everyone benefits, and not just the general rail passenger either. Felixstowe port has undergone extension plans to their rail operations, with more freight being taken by rail than ever. Ford have their own rail freight depot's to take vehicles and parts by rail.
The rail network dates from the Victorian times, it is (in many places) in need of renewal, and the building of HS2 will (IMO) detract from that.
• The new business case shows that 7 out of 10 jobs created by high speed rail will
be in London, not the Midlands or North of England.
• Most of the jobs claimed will not be genuinely new employment but moved from
other areas within that region. Other parts of the region will therefore lose out as a
result of HS2.
One big problem that I find offensive is those living along the planned route being the most affected they will gain little or no local benefits. There are no proposed stations outside London and Birmingham.
Yes, travelling times between London and Birmingham would be reduced, but that would only make a difference to those who are travelling between the two cities.
Thats not strictly true. The line ultimately serves places as far flung as Holyhead on Anglesey, Manchester and Edinburgh. And its the bit between Birmingham and London that is particularly shit. Did ya know that bit of line not only has level crossings but some of em are unmanned. Unbelievable for a main line in the 21st century.
Thats not strictly true. The line ultimately serves places as far flung as Holyhead on Anglesey, Manchester and Edinburgh. And its the bit between Birmingham and London that is particularly shit. Did ya know that bit of line not only has level crossings but some of em are unmanned. Unbelievable for a main line in the 21st century.
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I have mixed feelings on this.
As someone who stands to benefit, yes, I would like to see it. However, I am also a naive fool who would love to see the work carried out by British contractors and staff. I'm not entirely sure there is much benefit to HS2 overall.
£33bn would do a lot to the current network, platform extensions enabling longer trains, better maintenance and renewals of the current network would be projects that would make a big difference to rail passengers. Yes, travelling times between London and Birmingham would be reduced, but that would only make a difference to those who are travelling between the two cities.
If the entire network is overhauled, then everyone benefits, and not just the general rail passenger either. Felixstowe port has undergone extension plans to their rail operations, with more freight being taken by rail than ever. Ford have their own rail freight depot's to take vehicles and parts by rail.
The rail network dates from the Victorian times, it is (in many places) in need of renewal, and the building of HS2 will (IMO) detract from that.
• The new business case shows that 7 out of 10 jobs created by high speed rail will
be in London, not the Midlands or North of England.
• Most of the jobs claimed will not be genuinely new employment but moved from
other areas within that region. Other parts of the region will therefore lose out as a
result of HS2.
One big problem that I find offensive is those living along the planned route being the most affected they will gain little or no local benefits. There are no proposed stations outside London and Birmingham.
If you honestly believe the piece you bolded, you deserved to be bludgeoned with a trout.
The same was said the same about the Olympics, then the Evening Standard came out with:
Hence me being the naive fool that would like to see HS2 being constructed with British firms and labour. However, seeing the Government give a significant railway stock tender to Siemens of Germany, over the bid of Bombardier, I know it will not happen.
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Thats not strictly true. The line ultimately serves places as far flung as Holyhead on Anglesey, Manchester and Edinburgh. And its the bit between Birmingham and London that is particularly shit. Did ya know that bit of line not only has level crossings but some of em are unmanned. Unbelievable for a main line in the 21st century.
As does the East Coast Line, north of Newcastle but as usual bugger all will be spent on this region. We don't even have a full dual carriage way on the A1 between Newcastle and Edinburgh ffs.
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Yes, travelling times between London and Birmingham would be reduced, but that would only make a difference to those who are travelling between the two cities.
Thats not strictly true. The line ultimately serves places as far flung as Holyhead on Anglesey, Manchester and Edinburgh. And its the bit between Birmingham and London that is particularly shit. Did ya know that bit of line not only has level crossings but some of em are unmanned. Unbelievable for a main line in the 21st century.
There are over 7000 level crossings in the UK, it comes as no surprise that line has some.
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A subject I know littel to nothing about. I do know that today on the local radio it has been decided that no high speed rail link will be made to Bristol. However they are now talking about electrifying another line, means nothing to me 
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A subject I know littel to nothing about. I do know that today on the local radio it has been decided that no high speed rail link will be made to Bristol. However they are now talking about electrifying another line, means nothing to me
I have never let that hold me back
:lol: :lol: the city of london who will finance hs2 at interest and those that can afford to use it will get past the soup kitchens on the way quicker.
it has nothing to do with improving infrastructure or competetiveness or has to do with creating credit, lending it at higher than market rate of interest, to the taxpayer for private theft while neglecting schools, hospitals, roads, bridges and needed repairs to existing infrastucture for PROFIT for the few.
it has nothing to do with improving infrastructure or competetiveness or has to do with creating credit, lending it at higher than market rate of interest, to the taxpayer for private theft while neglecting schools, hospitals, roads, bridges and needed repairs to existing infrastucture for PROFIT for the few.
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the city of london who will finance hs2 at interest and those that can afford to use it will get past the soup kitchens on the way quicker.
it has nothing to do with improving infrastructure or competetiveness or has to do with creating credit, lending it at higher than market rate of interest, to the taxpayer for private theft while neglecting schools, hospitals, roads, bridges and needed repairs to existing infrastucture for PROFIT for the few.
No surprises there then.
I subscribe to the view that updating the current infrastructure will be cheaper and provide more benefits. Longer platforms, longer trains.
By 2026, if the technology was properly exploited, we should be using Star trek style transporters anyway :thumbup:
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