humour

27 Feb 2009

I think he said it as humour........and nowt else. Lots of other folk has made it personal to them....but this makes me giggle more as the two ladies involved are just TV stars and not family members. Perhaps there is some truth when the "Ban everything brigade" say that people do live their lives to games, DVDs or videos.
This is reminiscent of Princess Di and the public mourning of her. I greeted the funeral as my boss paid me 3 x my pay to work through it as everyone else took a day off work, because of grief dunno

. They didn't know her......thats what I can't understand.
Dave_Notts

27 Feb 2009

agreed
lp

27 Feb 2009

Quote by Dave__Notts
I think he said it as humour........and nowt else. Lots of other folk has made it personal to them....but this makes me giggle more as the two ladies involved are just TV stars and not family members. Perhaps there is some truth when the "Ban everything brigade" say that people do live their lives to games, DVDs or videos.
This is reminiscent of Princess Di and the public mourning of her. I greeted the funeral as my boss paid me 3 x my pay to work through it as everyone else took a day off work, because of grief . They didn't know her......thats what I can't understand.
Dave_Notts

well...each to their own Dave...but no I didn't know princess Diana personally .... but to know that a lady so young,with potentially so much going for her, died in such a tragic way, leaving behind two young sons...well I felt it was tradegy and felt genuine grief. I am not afraid to say I shed a tear at her funeral.

27 Feb 2009

Quote by deancannock
I think he said it as humour........and nowt else. Lots of other folk has made it personal to them....but this makes me giggle more as the two ladies involved are just TV stars and not family members. Perhaps there is some truth when the "Ban everything brigade" say that people do live their lives to games, DVDs or videos.
This is reminiscent of Princess Di and the public mourning of her. I greeted the funeral as my boss paid me 3 x my pay to work through it as everyone else took a day off work, because of grief . They didn't know her......thats what I can't understand.
Dave_Notts

well...each to their own Dave...but no I didn't know princess Diana personally .... but to know that a lady so young,with potentially so much going for her, died in such a tragic way, leaving behind two young sons...well I felt it was tradegy and felt genuine grief. I am not afraid to say I shed a tear at her funeral.
Open the obituary page of the local papers and you will find plenty of young men and women that have children and had plenty to live for. Their deaths are tragic.........yet, unless you knew them, you would not shed a tear. The only reason I can see for shedding a tear for Princess Di is that people have fallen into the celebrity and media circus. They read the stories and believe that they are part of their lives. This is where I believe that people can live their lives dictated by TV.......it is scary to me.
Dave_Notts

27 Feb 2009

Quote by Dave__Notts
I think he said it as humour........and nowt else. Lots of other folk has made it personal to them....but this makes me giggle more as the two ladies involved are just TV stars and not family members. Perhaps there is some truth when the "Ban everything brigade" say that people do live their lives to games, DVDs or videos.
This is reminiscent of Princess Di and the public mourning of her. I greeted the funeral as my boss paid me 3 x my pay to work through it as everyone else took a day off work, because of grief . They didn't know her......thats what I can't understand.
Dave_Notts

It had nowt to do with 'who they were' for me, it was the whole 'if they pull their finger out and hurry up and die' bit that is disrespectful
No one can 'wish' for a death to come, sorry and all that.
Of course everyone's entitled to their opinions with regard to the humour of it, I'm a big advocate of opinions as you know, what I fail to see is that regardless of their fame, a death is imminent, two little boys will be thrown into total shock and I'm sorry but I don't find that funny and wouldn't find it funny if it were Joe Bloggs from next door.

27 Feb 2009

Personally, I'm not ashamed to admit that I laughed at Ben's joke, for that's all it was. A bad taste joke admittedly, but a joke all the same. I deleted a poor joke at Jack Tweed's expense on another thread, because I was aware that some others might find it distasteful, or even offensive, but I have to admit I find it difficult to understand where that offence comes from. I understand the distaste for it to an extent, but actual offence? No. Noone was seriously wishing that Jade would hurry up and die. As LP says, it was the juxtaposition of two celebrity deaths, one passed, one to come, in the light of the public outpourings of sorrow for people they have never met, which quite frankly I have never understood.
There has been enough grief in my life that I feel no need whatsoever to take on any more for people I do not know, and do not care about. Jade Goody's death, tragic as it is for her and her sons, much as it arouses feelings of sympathy and empathy on one level, means nothing to me. If that makes me a callous, heartless bastard, so be it, but I really don't think it does. It doesn't make me anything other than someone who can laugh at a bad taste joke, catch myself doing it, and feel a bit bad for a few seconds for finding it funny.
Neil x x x ;)

27 Feb 2009

What a lovely thread. I think Bouncys, Random's and Neils posts in particular have shown deep maturity and insight.
The joke was in bad taste, disrespectful and sick. It also made me laugh and I will use this, my only post on this thread, to explain why.
I don't have any taboos at all about death. Many will think that is wrong and I have no problem with that. And yes I have lost moms, dads, brothers and friends over the years to a wide range of sickening illnesses and accidents.
The joke made me laugh because:
Grief over celebrity deaths is ridiculous to me.
The comparison between the death of Ms Goody and the death of Ms Richard and our differing reactions to it bears some analysis.
I could have made a rambling speech on the original or on a new thread thread expressing these, my considerations. I chose not to simply because I thought the comment I made would be much more effective in opening up this subject for debate. In that I think I was right.
I am not a bad person. I simply have different experiences from everybody else and have processed them in different ways. I like to think I am unique and that every body else is too.
I enjoy everybody's contribution to these forums.
The only time I get mildly irritated is when I feel sniped at, judged or taunted for my opinions. The reaction to the post has led me to explore these feelings of irritation and has helped me along my path.
Thank you for a lively debate.

27 Feb 2009

I don't find myself with a lot of feelings for people I don't know, other than as Neillie said, sympathy for them as I would feel for anyone going through a similar situation.
I wasn't necessarily offended by the comments made. I just thought they were in very bad taste which was why I commented. I don't understand the need to pass on bad jokes. I have one person I gave my number to and he has a habit of sending me particularly offensive jokes which are normally racist. I don't reply, I delete them. They make my skin crawl that in this day and age people can find that stuff even remotely funny. However, I've never said anything about it to him, I just don't respond. I suspect if someone has those feelings then something I say isn't going to make any difference. I should perhaps tell him to stop sending me them but I can't even bring myself to getting into a conversation with him about it.
I don't actually feel the need to comment in a thread about a celebrity death when I don't know them personally, I've never met them and in fact it makes me uncomfortable because I don't know what to say. Yes I can feel sympathy for their situation, for their families loss and maybe people like to remember others in this way, it's just not particularly my bag. I just wish that people would be a bit more considerate for those who do have strong feelings about certain celebrities and maybe take a moment to think about what will be the outcome of their thoughtless remark. Is it necessary to say it just to cause uproar? confused

I think that's what bothers me more really, the reasoning behind saying it in the first place. I don't really understand it.
I like laughter. I like to laugh. Laughter is good for the soul. Perhaps in future I will take a moment to appreciate that different people find different things funny so I guess one thing learnt from the last couple of days is just that, not everyone finds humour in death but equally not everyone doesn't! wink

27 Feb 2009

My question is very simple...
If there was a very tasteless sick joke bounded about on here about David Camerons son, would people who found the comment about hurrying up to die, also find that funny?
I really cannot imagine anyone finding a comment about his child, to be humour.
I have asked this before and had no answers so.....I must presume that there IS a limit to peoples sick humour or poor taste? dunno

I for one, and it is just me, does not find it funny at all to laugh at other peoples grief or death. Yes I maybe can understand the logic IF it was a person one knew. But to mock or make sick jokes about somebody another person did not even know, on the news of their death well........I also must be on a different planet.

27 Feb 2009

Kent, it would honestly depend on whether the joke was actually funny, or just some crap joke desperately trying to be topical, to be truthful. That's my honest reply. The whole point of sick jokes is that you're meant to feel that little inward groan that says 'I cannot believe I just laughed at that. Bastard!' It is the recognition that we are not supposed to laugh that makes it funny.
Neil x x x ;)

27 Feb 2009

Maybe Bens comment was made deliberately to wind people up.....I don`t know dunno

But always remember, it only works if somebody bites.
Since when have you had wisdom? :dunno:
bolt

27 Feb 2009

okay..... so lets put this to the test........
from kenty's favourite rag......

now... I am sure a lot of you will laugh.... I did when I read the story on another site...... but this person still probably had a family that loved him, and are probably grieving his loss....
so does that make me a bad person?
should I have not let out a snigger when I read it knowing the outcome?
humour means different things to different people, what may be funny to some may not be to others......

27 Feb 2009

Humour is subjective.
Three people is not an orgy!
Goodness. rolleyes

27 Feb 2009

Fab post fabio. I just had to respond depsite my earlier promise.
I believe it will take the undertaker three weeks to wipe the smile off his face.
Runs away and hides.

27 Feb 2009

Quote by neilinleeds
Kent, it would honestly depend on whether the joke was actually funny, or just some crap joke desperately trying to be topical, to be truthful. That's my honest reply. The whole point of sick jokes is that you're meant to feel that little inward groan that says 'I cannot believe I just laughed at that. Bastard!' It is the recognition that we are not supposed to laugh that makes it funny.
Neil x x x ;)

Neil I always enjoy reading your posts, they always make sence to me. :thumbup:

27 Feb 2009

Quote by fabio
okay..... so lets put this to the test........
from kenty's favourite rag......
Viagra orgy man collapses
now... I am sure a lot of you will laugh.... I did when I read the story on another site...... but this person still probably had a family that loved him, and are probably grieving his loss....
so does that make me a bad person?
should I have not let out a snigger when I read it knowing the outcome?
humour means different things to different people, what may be funny to some may not be to others......

Fabs.........Only I can put links to " that " paper! wink

Dont want you being compared to me now, there is only one mr777 on here thankyou very much. lol

27 Feb 2009

Quote by Witchy
Humour is subjective.
Three people is not an orgy!
Goodness.

you see?
there is the humour following Fabio's post!
it's not in the fact that the chap died. It's not poking fun at familly & freinds.
The original 'offencive' joke we are all railing against found the homour in our need for 'National Mourning'... That was the joke.
lp

28 Feb 2009

and I have seen three other instances of 'jokes' made today in a brief cruise of the forum before beddibies.
No-one has jumped all over those.
maybe we have a little balance here at last eh?
Lets hope so.
lp

28 Feb 2009

Quote by bouncy332
Like DG I like freedom of speech, when it's in it's right place.
I find jokes about urging someone one to die very distasteful indeed, someone tell me where's the humour in that??
I'm on the wrong planet, clearly.

i don't disagree it is distastfull but i personally (and i'm not saying you would btw) wouldn't jump on someone for making such a joke is all i was saying
Now I guess you are thinking of me when you refer to someone jumping on the 'joker'. I say that because that's the view you offered soon after said my bit - I may be wrong but the following still applies anyway.
I merely expressed my opinion that I felt the 'joke' to be in bad taste.
The only reason I offered to remove my quote if the 'the joker' (bit like Batman this innit!) deleted his post was to save him the embarrassment of having still visible if he'd changed his mind.
He has chosen not to and he has a perfect right not to. I in turn am entitled to form an opinion on what sort of person he is as a result.
Diff'rent strokes.
Oh - and it has to be funny to conjure up any chance of qualifying as a joke and so Bouncy I didn't snigger at it and feel guilty and then utter my indignation. That is hypocrtical and I'm sure you weren't suggesting that of me.
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28 Feb 2009

Quote by __random_orbit__
Humour is subjective.
Three people is not an orgy!
Goodness.

you see?
there is the humour following Fabio's post!
it's not in the fact that the chap died. It's not poking fun at familly & freinds.
The original 'offencive' joke we are all railing against found the homour in our need for 'National Mourning'... That was the joke.
lp
Oi. Who're you calling humorous? poke

Seriously though- I didn't think when I wrote it that it could even be perceived as being in poor taste- remotely. I was poking fun at the screaming, sensationalist headline the situation gave rise to...not the death.
So...if you extend the logic...I can see your point.
Mine was funnier though...

28 Feb 2009

Quote by Witchy
Humour is subjective.
Three people is not an orgy!
Goodness.

you see?
there is the humour following Fabio's post!
it's not in the fact that the chap died. It's not poking fun at familly & freinds.
The original 'offencive' joke we are all railing against found the homour in our need for 'National Mourning'... That was the joke.
lp
Oi. Who're you calling humorous? poke

Seriously though- I didn't think when I wrote it that it could even be perceived as being in poor taste- remotely. I was poking fun at the screaming, sensationalist headline the situation gave rise to...not the death.
So...if you extend the logic...I can see your point.
Mine was funnier though...
you said it yourself... yours was accidental :shock:
lp

28 Feb 2009

I didn't say the humour was accidental, Mr...I said I...oh, bugger. sod off & stop winding me up!
rotflmao

28 Feb 2009

Quote by Witchy
I didn't say the humour was accidental, Mr...I said I...oh, bugger. sod off & stop winding me up!

there is an 'anger' thread around here somewhere... feel free to drop in and have a peek. he japed.
(still on topic, see what I did there?)
lp

28 Feb 2009

Quote by __random_orbit__
I didn't say the humour was accidental, Mr...I said I...oh, bugger. sod off & stop winding me up!

there is an 'anger' thread around here somewhere... feel free to drop in and have a peek. he japed.
(still on topic, see what I did there?)
lp
I don't get mad...I get even. cool

Watch your back...mwahahaha
Now, you have to decide if I was joking wink

28 Feb 2009

Quote by Witchy
I didn't say the humour was accidental, Mr...I said I...oh, bugger. sod off & stop winding me up!

there is an 'anger' thread around here somewhere... feel free to drop in and have a peek. he japed.
(still on topic, see what I did there?)
lp
I don't get mad...I get even. cool

Watch your back...mwahahaha
Now, you have to decide if I was joking wink

your wit is boundless... spontaneous.... incendury!
lp

28 Feb 2009

Quote by Witchy
I didn't say the humour was accidental, Mr...I said I...oh, bugger. sod off & stop winding me up!

there is an 'anger' thread around here somewhere... feel free to drop in and have a peek. he japed.
(still on topic, see what I did there?)
lp
I don't get mad...I get even. cool

Watch your back...mwahahaha
Now, you have to decide if I was joking wink

Are you expecting your whoop whoop period any time soon?

28 Feb 2009

Fluff: It's irrelevent. I play a long game.
Rolp: I say I say I say! Recognition at last wink

28 Feb 2009

anything for an easy life
lp

28 Feb 2009

Flucking hijackers!! wink

And I gave up swearing fer lent!
.

1 Mar 2009

Quote by westerross
Like DG I like freedom of speech, when it's in it's right place.
I find jokes about urging someone one to die very distasteful indeed, someone tell me where's the humour in that??
I'm on the wrong planet, clearly.

i don't disagree it is distastfull but i personally (and i'm not saying you would btw) wouldn't jump on someone for making such a joke is all i was saying
Now I guess you are thinking of me when you refer to someone jumping on the 'joker'. I say that because that's the view you offered soon after said my bit - I may be wrong but the following still applies anyway.
I merely expressed my opinion that I felt the 'joke' to be in bad taste.
The only reason I offered to remove my quote if the 'the joker' (bit like Batman this innit!) deleted his post was to save him the embarrassment of having still visible if he'd changed his mind.
He has chosen not to and he has a perfect right not to. I in turn am entitled to form an opinion on what sort of person he is as a result.
Diff'rent strokes.
Oh - and it has to be funny to conjure up any chance of qualifying as a joke and so Bouncy I didn't snigger at it and feel guilty and then utter my indignation. That is hypocrtical and I'm sure you weren't suggesting that of me.
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i wasn't suggesting you dear tuna but if that is the way you wish to take it then be my guest old boy and i don't do suggestion that way to subtle for me lol