i think labour may do better than expected

8 May 2010

Quote by Too Hot
With all this bitching going on now about "hung" parliaments we had all better get used to it if you you want proportional representation.
The biggest scandal of recent governments has been the changing of boundries to make a labour (and to a degree conservative) majority more and more likely with even reduced majority votes. The swing this time was huge but Labour managed to hang on to seats where boundries had previously been managed. The Liberal Democrats need change cos with present boundries they would have to get about 50% of the vote and both other parties equally placed behind and a majority of at least 20% whereas Labour and Tories only needed 8%-10% to get an overall majority.
As for the Eton slur earlier in thread - clearly you don't have to live in Rochdale to be bigotted. Eton has supplied the highest % of the good, the great and the super achievers than probably any other scholarly institute in British history not to mention the high percentage of military officers who go on to serve illustriously and make the ultimate sacrifice in campaigns whenever and wherever the country has been in conflict. Eton charge a great deal of money to educate children but its reputation around the world is second to none and for very good reason.
(By the way I had a secondary education in a northern town and was taught long ago that envy is a humiliating emotion which is best stifled internally and ignored in others).

George Orwell went to Eton. He hated it, despite being one of the best students there. He hated it because, as a scholarship boy, he knew that the majority of his fellow pupils were there not on ability or talent, but because their parents could afford it. As an experienced soldier he had an interesting view on Eton's influence over the British army as well "Probably the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton, but the opening battles of all subsequent wars have been lost there."
It's not envy to have an antipathy to the kind of naked power worship that says Eton must be good because rich people go there. The fact that its graduates make up a sizeable portion of the conservative elite may be evidence for the introverted nature of the conservative elite, or the way the army selects people who resemble its existing leadership cadre rather than on ability, but it's not evidence that Eton is actually any good.

8 May 2010

i am suprised at the result, id thought that with all the moaning about the labour government that the tories would win easily ... but that hasnt happened which i find very pleasing smile

seems despite what people were saying, they still couldnt find it in them to vote for the tories !!!
im hoping that there is no coalition between tories and libdem altho for me that would be preferable than just tories in power
i certainly dont want to go back to how i lived when they were last in power, i like my life as it is now :)

8 May 2010

conservative and Lib/Dems together in bed.
That'll work; Not.
I cannot see either "major" party wanting to go the Proportional Representation way. It would effectively be the end of consistency of government and the start of "alliances" and collapsed alliances and frequent elections.
Especially as "Cleggy" will be trying to salvage some pride after being unceremoniously dumped.
From a possible 100 seats, to less than they had at the start. And getting the same drubbing at the local elections....down 4 councils and 141 councillors.
I should think the only thing he wants from either is a 100% guarantee of PR.
And the conservatives benefited from a 30-seat gain due to boundary changes as well....
So the electorate verdict on all of them was:
Who Gives A Shit.

8 May 2010

Quote by JTS
conservative and Lib/Dems together in bed.
That'll work; Not.
I cannot see either "major" party wanting to go the Proportional Representation way. It would effectively be the end of consistency of government and the start of "alliances" and collapsed alliances and frequent elections.
Especially as "Cleggy" will be trying to salvage some pride after being unceremoniously dumped.
From a possible 100 seats, to less than they had at the start. And getting the same drubbing at the local elections....down 4 councils and 141 councillors.
I should think the only thing he wants from either is a 100% guarantee of PR.
And the conservatives benefited from a 30-seat gain due to boundary changes as well....
So the electorate verdict on all of them was:
Who Gives A Shit.

If you're going to have pR then you have to have four year fixed term parliaments as well.

8 May 2010

Funny how things have not changed in 23 years:

9 May 2010

Don`t think we should go for PR as it wouldn`t work in this country as the parties are too far apart.
But we need a change in the way we vote and the way that Parliment works .What that is ,is open to what we have now in polititians from any of the parties are career polititians with little or no idea of how we the elctorate think or want.
As one ecconomist wrote maybe we should let Tesco`s run the country.

9 May 2010

I think PR would be quite good.
No party would be able to push-through radical legislation without serious compromise.
Under-represented minorities would get more representation.
Plus, the big one, politicians of the two large parties would loathe it.
Got to be a good idea.
Mind you, since everyone else loathes the fiddling, lying b'stards...it would be great to see them forced to talk to people whose ideas they hate....like us !
AND...they may FINALLY regain control of the public servants....and stop spending ten times as much money on systems that the commercial world has been running for decades....14 billion for the nhs database ?
I mean...I KNOW that it is meant to be accessible to every single gov department...but 14 billion for a database.....are they INVENTING computing again ?

10 May 2010

Quote by JTS
I think PR would be quite good.
No party would be able to push-through radical legislation without serious compromise.
Under-represented minorities would get more representation.
Plus, the big one, politicians of the two large parties would loathe it.
Got to be a good idea.
Mind you, since everyone else loathes the fiddling, lying b'stards...it would be great to see them forced to talk to people whose ideas they hate....like us !
AND...they may FINALLY regain control of the public servants....and stop spending ten times as much money on systems that the commercial world has been running for decades....14 billion for the nhs database ?
I mean...I KNOW that it is meant to be accessible to every single gov department...but 14 billion for a database.....are they INVENTING computing again ?

You're right a bout the ost of the NHS database except for one minor detail. The government isn't developing it. That's what the greedy private sector contractors say it will cost. If we didn't inisit on tendering work out to contractors who spend 10% of the value of the contract on marketting, 10% on bonusses and 20% on profits for sharehoilders these projects would be 40% cheaper.

10 May 2010

The government sets the parameters within which the system operates.
The majority of medical practices now have patient databases, and then we have another database for the "national" data.
Yet more duplication.

So why has the government refused to fix this mess? Partly, one suspects, it's the usual Whitehall control freakery, with mandarins convinced that they know best ("The programme," notes the British Computer Society's Ewan Davies, "was run by people who knew nothing about healthcare and didn't think that was a problem").

Not only that, but the government has stated that only "medical professionals" and "those directly concerned with the patient" will have access.
Well, medical professional is a wide field....and the majority of same are not doctors or nurses.
Those "directly concerned" include social workers....which by definition includes the entire council....
I've already opted-out.....
Largely because there is no hope of the records being secure....

10 May 2010

Quote by JTS
The government sets the parameters within which the system operates.
The majority of medical practices now have patient databases, and then we have another database for the "national" data.
Yet more duplication.
So why has the government refused to fix this mess? Partly, one suspects, it's the usual Whitehall control freakery, with mandarins convinced that they know best ("The programme," notes the British Computer Society's Ewan Davies, "was run by people who knew nothing about healthcare and didn't think that was a problem").

Not only that, but the government has stated that only "medical professionals" and "those directly concerned with the patient" will have access.
Well, medical professional is a wide field....and the majority of same are not doctors or nurses.
Those "directly concerned" include social workers....which by definition includes the entire council....
I've already opted-out.....
Largely because there is no hope of the records being secure....
Yes..Let Tesco`s run ,been running a national data base for years and it must work as the shelves are always full.

10 May 2010

Bearing in mind the title of this thread is 'i think labour may do better than expected' they certainly have, now that Gordon Brown has handed in his resignation for the position of leader of the Labour party.

11 May 2010

Well at last Brown has fucked off...Cameron in power...
So as the thread title, no Labout has NOT done as good as expected.
They lost the election....they have lost power, and now have lost their PM....not bad for a days work. lol

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

11 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Well at last Brown has fucked off...Cameron in power...
So as the thread title, no Labout has NOT done as good as expected.
They lost the election....they have lost power, and now have lost their PM....not bad for a days work. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and now i will lose my job sad

the tories have said they will get rid of what i do for a living :(
i remember what it was like for my family and me when they were in power before, i couldnt feed my children and pay the bills (i lived in hardship too) unless my parents helped !
life is s**t

11 May 2010

Well am sorry to hear that matey.
But under Labour higher NHS payments, many employers would not have taken new staff on, and many would not have been able to afford the staff they had already.
Plus massive unemployment since Labour came to power, so yes it is shite for many.
, but hopefully not as many as under the Tories.

11 May 2010

I must remember in 6 months time to come back to these threads for quotes

11 May 2010

The way things are going anyone of us might not even be here in six months. wink

11 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
The way things are going anyone of us might not even be here in six months.

I ain't saying fucking shit!!

11 May 2010

:gagged::thumbup:

11 May 2010

Well I like the look of this coalition, only time will tell now!

11 May 2010

I think Labour have done better than expected ... the fact they won more seats than expected has given rise to this watered down version of the Tory party propped up with the Liberals "support"
Cameron's speech could have come out of the mouth of a new Labour politician ... just hope the Liberal influence ... if they have any ... will temper the hardcore Conservative policies.

11 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Well at last Brown has fucked off...Cameron in power...
So as the thread title, no Labout has NOT done as good as expected.
They lost the election....they have lost power, and now have lost their PM....not bad for a days work. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and now i will lose my job sad

the tories have said they will get rid of what i do for a living :(
i remember what it was like for my family and me when they were in power before, i couldnt feed my children and pay the bills (i lived in hardship too) unless my parents helped !
life is s**t
hugz,you arent the only one,Kev doesnt expect his project working with homeless teens to remain open either,remember the number of rough sleepers there were in the 80s?
On a brighter note i just heard my first cries of "tories out" on the news,ahh the good old days.
i do hope kevs project will keep being funded xx
my memories of the 80s are horrific !!
at the moment tho i am lucky cus theres minimum wage and paid holidays, walk in centres etc
that might all alter now tho
luckily i worked hard over the years and iv got plenty of money (was able to build up my money since labour have been in) even tho im in a low paid job but savings wont last forever
feel gloomy today, never mind tho worse for other people im sure

11 May 2010

Quote by danne-gary
Well at last Brown has fucked off...Cameron in power...
So as the thread title, no Labout has NOT done as good as expected.
They lost the election....they have lost power, and now have lost their PM....not bad for a days work. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and now i will lose my job sad

the tories have said they will get rid of what i do for a living :(
i remember what it was like for my family and me when they were in power before, i couldnt feed my children and pay the bills (i lived in hardship too) unless my parents helped !
life is s**t
hugz,you arent the only one,Kev doesnt expect his project working with homeless teens to remain open either,remember the number of rough sleepers there were in the 80s?
On a brighter note i just heard my first cries of "tories out" on the news,ahh the good old days.
i do hope kevs project will keep being funded xx
my memories of the 80s are horrific!!
at the moment tho i am lucky cus theres minimum wage and paid holidays, walk in centres etc
that might all alter now tho
luckily i worked hard over the years and iv got plenty of money (was able to build up my money since labour have been in) even tho im in a low paid job but savings wont last forever
feel gloomy today, never mind tho worse for other people im sure

Mine of the 70's were far worse.

11 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Well at last Brown has fucked off...Cameron in power...
So as the thread title, no Labout has NOT done as good as expected.
They lost the election....they have lost power, and now have lost their PM....not bad for a days work. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and now i will lose my job sad

the tories have said they will get rid of what i do for a living :(
i remember what it was like for my family and me when they were in power before, i couldnt feed my children and pay the bills (i lived in hardship too) unless my parents helped !
life is s**t
hugz,you arent the only one,Kev doesnt expect his project working with homeless teens to remain open either,remember the number of rough sleepers there were in the 80s?
On a brighter note i just heard my first cries of "tories out" on the news,ahh the good old days.
I would hope they have moved forward since the 80s and the Liberals should temper the Troys. He has said the poorest will be looked after, surely that would include the homeless?

11 May 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
Well I like the look of this coalition, only time will tell now!

Seams we are to loose the tax break for married people and the rise of the inheritance tax threshold to pacify the Liberals, shame

11 May 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
Well I like the look of this coalition, only time will tell now!

Seams we are to loose the tax break for married people and the rise of the inheritance tax threshold to pacify the Liberals, shame
Damn! social engineering and gifts for the rich gone already ........bugger

11 May 2010

So, what to expect:
BBC news to be closed and replaced with SKY news (mandatory)
Doctor Who to be shown on SKY (after the first 20 minute advert who will remember who was who)
Trident to be downsized (unless you're Tory in which case it will be ringfenced (no, not that ring))
New foreign policy: All those north of Northampton to need travel visas (and east of Telford)
All public service workers (except police) to have 10% pay cuts.
Rubbish collection to be contracted-out to Eastern Europe.
Hospitals to be issued with card readers...credit cards..
Membership of trade unions to be a capital offence, with body parts removed after death for use by those whose livers have been destroyed by excessive consumption of red wine and caviar (!) (unless the union is the CBI etc)
Social housing rents to rise to market levels...and social housing funds to be given directly to elected mayors (not a joke...)

12 May 2010

Well any Government that tackles the welfare system gets my vote.
I bet all the scroungers and those that think benefits are a right will be shaking in their boots. Get the benefit scroungers and the bad back fantasist, back into work. Benefits are for the needy and not for those using the system to fecking skive.
If there more trade union reform that will certainly be a good thing for the likes of BA!
Hopefully there will be another election soon, and this time the Tories get the majority and then given the full five years, without having to suck up to the liberals.
Sroungers beware......your time is nearly up!

12 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Well any Government that tackles the welfare system gets my vote.
I bet all the scroungers and those that think benefits are a right will be shaking in their boots. Get the benefit scroungers and the bad back fantasist, back into work. Benefits are for the needy and not for those using the system to fecking skive.
If there more trade union reform that will certainly be a good thing for the likes of BA!
Hopefully there will be another election soon, and this time the Tories get the majority and then given the full five years, without having to suck up to the liberals.
Sroungers beware......your time is nearly up!

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
donkey jackets and bovver boots out the loft ya going to work in the next few weeks
i know a few people who work in the DWP i bet there in early ,with a skip in their step and evil grin on their face`s i know they been waiting a long time for this :twisted:

12 May 2010

As far as I recall we all have a RIGHT to claim benefits

12 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Well any Government that tackles the welfare system gets my vote.
I bet all the scroungers and those that think benefits are a right will be shaking in their boots. Get the benefit scroungers and the bad back fantasist, back into work. Benefits are for the needy and not for those using the system to fecking skive.
If there more trade union reform that will certainly be a good thing for the likes of BA!
Hopefully there will be another election soon, and this time the Tories get the majority and then given the full five years, without having to suck up to the liberals.
Sroungers beware......your time is nearly up!

As far as i am aware the only pledge in the tory mainfesto to deal with benifit cheats was to remove benifits from those found cheating 3 how many people would this have affected last year?None.
So whats the magic wand that will ensure my mum gets her disability and someone trying to play the system doesnt,cos she went without any disability for the past 9 months because a box checker judged a partially sighted,clinically depressed stroke victim fit for work.
thats why the system needs major overhaul kas under a labour goverment the system becamed clogged not enough people to do the job i pay £1500 a month for my brother to live in a specialist home under brown not enough funding im told (some fucking scrounger is helping his self to it)
lets hope cameron sorts out the scroungers and those like your mum and my brother get the support they really need :thumbup: