i think labour may do better than expected

12 May 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
As far as I recall we all have a RIGHT to claim benefits

how true
i also understand that if your work shy and do not take jobs offered cameron will take this Right away :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
i also find a huge pleasure in watching video`s of people picking up 5 pound notes when one of our team leaves them outside their door bad back my bollocks works every time :thumbup:
liza also has a right to claim benefit due to back degeneration but for the sake of a 2k investment she now earns 40k a year works from home and only works for 12 weeks at a time
goes to show these people really don`t want to work i`d swap 2 hard working immigrants for these work shy, lazy ,unwashed pieces of shit any day feck it jeramy kyle for unemployment minister

12 May 2010

So whats the magic wand that will ensure my mum gets her disability and someone trying to play the system doesnt,cos she went without any disability for the past 9 months because a box checker judged a partially sighted,clinically depressed stroke victim fit for work

Everyone is judged fit for work.
The "medical assessment" is carried-out by an occupational health service provider.
The more points they award, the less pay they get.
The proviso they work to is not "is this person fit for work" it is "can this person do any sort of work at all"
And since the answer to that question has to be yes, it has lead to people with terminal illnesses being judged fit to work (and dying while appealing the judgment)
Which brings us to the people claiming benefit while working.
Note that those people are not benefit claimants, they are professional criminals who are claiming benefit as part of their criminal lifestyle. frequently dealing drugs and generating income from other "criminal exploits" such as burglary.
The last conservative government that "saved money" did so by removing large amounts of public servants....some 800,000 during the first 5 years.....and did not reduce the "claimant" count by much....
Now we have a government comprised of conservatives and liberal/democrats...and going by their history of local government they will fit together quite well....l/d in local government have a history of reducing public service pay and implementing worse working conditions (while being surprised that they break laws on many occasions)....and so do conservative local governments....
Look on the bright side (if you are working).....your Health and Safety at Work may well improve under a lib/dem/con government....the labour government underfunded the Health and Safety executive to such a degree that inspections of work premises dropped from every seven years to every 30+ years (average).
we can also look forward to a rather rapid referendum on the Lisbon treaty...as they realise that much of their reform policy is drowned by European law.....
Then there are your motoring costs....lib/dem are in favour of fuel price increases to lower our (unharmful) CO2 emissions...(and get more tax money)....I suspect that policy will be received well by the conservative arm of our new government.
Like everything, there will be winners and losers.
The "career claimants" will not be the losers, they know the system and can adapt to change rapidly.
The losers will be those who NEED benefits to survive (yes, survive...nobody LIVES on benefits...except the crooks) because they are the target that is easy to hit...stationary.
The governments income is from taxation.....so do not expect much relief from that...
I always find changes of government interesting, as they change from doctrine to reality.
Have fun !

12 May 2010

We all know there are people out there that play the system.
Whether it be bad back syndrome or simply won't work. There was a incident on Sky news and in the papers only last week of a guy with five kids who does not work, and spends it all on booze. It was obviously apparent to anyone who saw that, he could easily work but the system as it stands at the moment is nowhere near tough enough.
That system needs huge change and the genuine ones out there get all the help, and anyone who can work has three months to find work or has ALL benefits stopped....no arguements.
Whether they could do that without people screaming human rights bollocks is another matter completely.
I know of people who could easily work but say they are too ill to work, yet one of them helped a friend two months ago put up a massive brick wall and does other things too. He has not worked for over eight years now and his wife gets carers allowance too for him. So they are getting double the bubble, when in fact he IS fit for wife quite frankly is just a lazy fat cow, who has done no work in all the years Mrs777 has known her, which is 18 years now.
They sit at home most of the day playing their Playstation games, living in a house that is a tip, whilst she eats all the pies...that pisses me off no end.
The problem is there are loads out there doing the same thing, and it needs to be changed.
YES we are all entitled to benefits BUT and I say BUT....only those that are entitled to them, and many are entitled to fuck all yet are allowed to spunk the system. That needs to stop, and stop now.

12 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
We all know there are people out there that play the system.
Whether it be bad back syndrome or simply won't work. There was a incident on Sky news and in the papers only last week of a guy with five kids who does not work, and spends it all on booze. It was obviously apparent to anyone who saw that, he could easily work but the system as it stands at the moment is nowhere near tough enough.
That system needs huge change and the genuine ones out there get all the help, and anyone who can work has three months to find work or has ALL benefits stopped....no arguements.
Whether they could do that without people screaming human rights bollocks is another matter completely.
I know of people who could easily work but say they are too ill to work, yet one of them helped a friend two months ago put up a massive brick wall and does other things too. He has not worked for over eight years now and his wife gets carers allowance too for him. So they are getting double the bubble, when in fact he IS fit for wife quite frankly is just a lazy fat cow, who has done no work in all the years Mrs777 has known her, which is 18 years now.
They sit at home most of the day playing their Playstation games, living in a house that is a tip, whilst she eats all the pies...that pisses me off no end.
The problem is there are loads out there doing the same thing, and it needs to be changed.
YES we are all entitled to benefits BUT and I say BUT....only those that are entitled to them, and many are entitled to fuck all yet are allowed to spunk the system. That needs to stop, and stop now.

Why are you allowing your middle class wife to befriend these slobs!!

12 May 2010

Quote by Phuckers
We all know there are people out there that play the system.
Whether it be bad back syndrome or simply won't work. There was a incident on Sky news and in the papers only last week of a guy with five kids who does not work, and spends it all on booze. It was obviously apparent to anyone who saw that, he could easily work but the system as it stands at the moment is nowhere near tough enough.
That system needs huge change and the genuine ones out there get all the help, and anyone who can work has three months to find work or has ALL benefits stopped....no arguements.
Whether they could do that without people screaming human rights bollocks is another matter completely.
I know of people who could easily work but say they are too ill to work, yet one of them helped a friend two months ago put up a massive brick wall and does other things too. He has not worked for over eight years now and his wife gets carers allowance too for him. So they are getting double the bubble, when in fact he IS fit for wife quite frankly is just a lazy fat cow, who has done no work in all the years Mrs777 has known her, which is 18 years now.
They sit at home most of the day playing their Playstation games, living in a house that is a tip, whilst she eats all the pies...that pisses me off no end.
The problem is there are loads out there doing the same thing, and it needs to be changed.
YES we are all entitled to benefits BUT and I say BUT....only those that are entitled to them, and many are entitled to fuck all yet are allowed to spunk the system. That needs to stop, and stop now.

Why are you allowing your middle class wife to befriend these slobs!!
Her choice....not mine.
Actually they are all right people, just scroungers playing a medievil system, which is open to all sorts of abuse.
Actually I do not know if my wife is middle class?

12 May 2010

Did you try reporting them?

12 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Did you try reporting them?

but then what could he moan about?
Oh I so want to answer that !!!
But to do so it seems could fall into the bracket of " bickering "

12 May 2010

They have a nice scheme going at the moment: You get your benefit AND do work .
Admittedly, you only get the you get on "dole" but you do get to work 40 hrs/wk for it. The carrot is that you may get to be employed by the company after it.....the problem being that there is always another "hopeful" to do the 40 hrs for 64 quid again, and again, and again.....
As the guys already working there put it "we get a new guy every few months....he works for 64 quid a week and we get 400 quid a week"
Coin. Two. Sides.

12 May 2010

Quote by JTS
They have a nice scheme going at the moment: You get your benefit AND do work .
Admittedly, you only get the you get on "dole" but you do get to work 40 hrs/wk for it. The carrot is that you may get to be employed by the company after it.....the problem being that there is always another "hopeful" to do the 40 hrs for 64 quid again, and again, and again.....
As the guys already working there put it "we get a new guy every few months....he works for 64 quid a week and we get 400 quid a week"
Coin. Two. Sides.

Exactly ... used to be called the YTS scheme !

12 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Did you try reporting them?

but then what could he moan about?
Oh I so want to answer that !!!
But to do so it seems could fall into the bracket of " bickering "
i dont see why, you see a crime being committed,yet choose not to report it.i merley speculated as to why you did so
I think you actually said..." but then what could he moan about? "
But then that's no problem at all, cos I have come over all fluffy.
Loves and hugs to all.

12 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Well at last Brown has fucked off...Cameron in power...
So as the thread title, no Labout has NOT done as good as expected.
They lost the election....they have lost power, and now have lost their PM....not bad for a days work.

and now i will lose my job sad

the tories have said they will get rid of what i do for a living sad

i remember what it was like for my family and me when they were in power before, i couldnt feed my children and pay the bills (i lived in hardship too) unless my parents helped !
life is s**t
hugz,you arent the only one,Kev doesnt expect his project working with homeless teens to remain open either,remember the number of rough sleepers there were in the 80s?
On a brighter note i just heard my first cries of "tories out" on the news,ahh the good old days.
i do hope kevs project will keep being funded xx
my memories of the 80s are horrific!!
at the moment tho i am lucky cus theres minimum wage and paid holidays, walk in centres etc
that might all alter now tho
luckily i worked hard over the years and iv got plenty of money (was able to build up my money since labour have been in) even tho im in a low paid job but savings wont last forever
feel gloomy today, never mind tho worse for other people im sure

Mine of the 70's were far worse.
One season versus years of poverty,homlessness,bigotry,race riots,unemployment being a price worth paying.
Yes you wont remember the worst,the tories ensured their friends in the south east did well while the rest of the country suffered.
no barbed wire round the garden of england and if you come the long way you can avoid the tolls
i really don`t think the tories looked after the south east and not the rest of the country or is there some sort of evidence to back this claim but if you feel left out come and join us
if you feel life is more privileged down here cum on down dont be left out

12 May 2010

no babed wire round the garden of england and if you come the long way you can avoid the tolls
i really don`t think the tories looked after the south east and not the rest of the country or is there some sort of evidence to back this claim but if you feel left out come and join us
if you feel life is more privileged down here cum on down dont be left out
People want to look at how Labour have looked after The Scots and The Welsh at the expense of own assemblies and English MP` s not able to vote on Scottish issues but low and behold what happens with good old get their way they rely on the Scots and Welsh.

12 May 2010

It looks like the "alliance" is moving to secure its position.
Legislation is to be put forward to set the term of parliament (5 years) unless a "majority" of mps vote no confidence. The amount needed to so vote is also to be increased...probably to 66% - 75%.
As you can see, the combined votes of labour/lib/dems and other parties will not be enough to unseat the government.

12 May 2010

Quote by brucie
i went to the polling station ready for change and a vote for clegg. but when push came to shove i decided fuck it im not voting for brown im voting for the party whos ethos i belive in. i suspect many more will see teh horror of a conservative government as their pencil nears the ballot paper.

so glad browns gone.....i never voted for him... in the first place..
n nobody else did........he would of only kept spending our money n made us more pay more one one or the other.....

12 May 2010

Quote by twos_company
i went to the polling station ready for change and a vote for clegg. but when push came to shove i decided fuck it im not voting for brown im voting for the party whos ethos i belive in. i suspect many more will see teh horror of a conservative government as their pencil nears the ballot paper.

so glad browns gone.....i never voted for him... in the first place..
n nobody else did........he would of only kept spending our money n made us more pay more one one or the other.....
I also wanted him to go, but last night when he reigned I could not help but feel for him
Now lets us see how the chuckle brothers will get on

12 May 2010

Quote by JTS
It looks like the "alliance" is moving to secure its position.
Legislation is to be put forward to set the term of parliament (5 years) unless a "majority" of mps vote no confidence. The amount needed to so vote is also to be increased...probably to 66% - 75%.
As you can see, the combined votes of labour/lib/dems and other parties will not be enough to unseat the government.

The term of parliament is already fixed at 5 years, unless the sitting PM decides to call an election before that time span.
The actual percentage majority of MPs needed for a successful vote of no confidence is to be 55%, which equates to 358 MPs. As the Tories only have 307 seats, there is a healthy majority of other MPs that can vote against them in a Vote of No Confidence.

12 May 2010

the sitting PM would have no say, the only thing that would affect the term would be a vote of no confidence.
Or, as better explained:

A fixed-term parliament would leave no one in any doubt of the election date, which would change only if a government lost a motion of confidence in Parliament. There would need to be a legal bar on a government engineering a vote of no confidence in itself in order to have an election in more propitious circumstances. It would also mean reforming the prerogative power of the sovereign, exercised through the prime minister, but that would have the advantage of protecting the Crown against any allegations of electoral jiggery-pokery

Tory MPs form 47.5% of the Commons. All other parties form 52.5%. 55% = 365 mp's (ish)

13 May 2010

Quote by JTS
the sitting PM would have no say, the only thing that would affect the term would be a vote of no confidence.
Or, as better explained:
A fixed-term parliament would leave no one in any doubt of the election date, which would change only if a government lost a motion of confidence in Parliament. There would need to be a legal bar on a government engineering a vote of no confidence in itself in order to have an election in more propitious circumstances. It would also mean reforming the prerogative power of the sovereign, exercised through the prime minister, but that would have the advantage of protecting the Crown against any allegations of electoral jiggery-pokery

Tory MPs form 47.5% of the Commons. All other parties form 52.5%. 55% = 365 mp's (ish)
I was stating the current situation where the sitting PM can call an early election.
There are 651 seats in parliament, so 55% is 358 but yes you are correct that the Tories have 47% of seats.

13 May 2010

So with tories at 307 seats the magic 55% is reached when 358 decide to go with the vote of no confidence.
651 - 307 = 344
You'll have to excuse my crude calculation and reliance on net figures; or not.

13 May 2010

NO much more important things on my mind like what color lippy goes with purple leg warmers?

13 May 2010

Quote by corrie
NO much more important things on my mind like what color lippy goes with purple leg warmers?

Oh, "slut red", goes with every colour wink

Mr Bluefish x

13 May 2010

Are you sure?