is this a con

6 Mar 2012

you could call it a con, but almost all marketing would then be in the same category.
Buy now for less than 5 thousand pounds - it's £4,999
Buy one get one free - be fair nobody can give things away, true we have loss leaders but we pay something for them, we want £xxxx pounds for it so we advertise it for twice the price then discount it for the sale.
These are things we have lived with for as long as we can remember, long gone are the days when a sale was an opportunity for companies to get rid of old and unwanted stock, nowadays companies carry less stock and very few sales are to get rid of surplus.
Do you really believe "Lawyers for you" (or whatever thier name is) really do hope that you will never need to use them as they say in thier advert ?
Can you really buy things VAT free in this country, of course not, a company cannot decide that you don't have to pay any VAT, they simply inflate the price by 20% then discount 20% off the price and calling it "your VAT contribution".
It is all just marketing, we can ignore everything they say and look at the bottom line, how much do we pay, is it value for money, can I afford it, do I want/need it.
There are bargains to be had, there are daily rip offs (why can I buy a mobile phone for £10 but cannot get a decent razor blade pack for that price is a razor blade so much more to produce than a mobile phone ?), why does it cost more for Sasha to have her hair cut and styled at the hairdresser than it does me, my hair is longer than hers and we use the same unisex hairdresser.

6 Mar 2012

true mids.
also why is a ladies tiny g string more money than a pair of bridget jones big knickers dunno

why is a ralph lauren t shirt 100 quid? when a t shirt from asda washes up better for a fiver.
mysteries eh? lol

9 Mar 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
Buy one get one free - be fair nobody can give things away, true we have loss leaders but we pay something for them, we want £xxxx pounds for it so we advertise it for twice the price then discount it for the sale.

I remember listening to the Jeremy Vine show, where someone revealed that what happens, is the supermarkets will blatantly tell makers/suppliers that they have to bear the cost of a BOGOF deal, or 3 for the price of two etc, and if they don't, they are threatened with the supermarket not stocking them in future.

10 Mar 2012

Quote by essex34m

Buy one get one free - be fair nobody can give things away, true we have loss leaders but we pay something for them, we want £xxxx pounds for it so we advertise it for twice the price then discount it for the sale.

I remember listening to the Jeremy Vine show, where someone revealed that what happens, is the supermarkets will blatantly tell makers/suppliers that they have to bear the cost of a BOGOF deal, or 3 for the price of two etc, and if they don't, they are threatened with the supermarket not stocking them in future.
another one is to leave dairy farmers holding a large quantity of milk for a few days as they know if it turns its waste then offer a low price

10 Mar 2012

Confidence tricks rely on greed and stupidity to work..... if you're not too greedy or too stupid to see the truth you get conned .... soooooo is this a con ?? are you too greedy or stupid to do the maths ??

5 Apr 2012

Don't use this conversion in the US, the Gallon is 1/5 smaller than the UK.
I think that in the rest of Europe the figure that is understood is liters per 100 kilometers.
Also just for the record:
'Damn bloody right! And Temperature in Celsius not Fahrenheit, miles not kilometers etc.
Celsius (or indeed Kelvin) is the 'new' money, and 'Fahrenheit' the old.

5 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
another one is to leave dairy farmers holding a large quantity of milk for a few days as they know if it turns its waste then offer a low price

Nonsense. The supermarkets have a contract with the procesers, the processers have a contract with the farmer. Some contracts pay better, but stipulate stricter hygeine and welfare. Milk will be collected daily or alternate days, but never will milk be left for several days because the dairies are buying it on the terms of a contract, not buying milk on an ad-hoc basis on the hope someone will buy it.

5 Apr 2012

Quote by MartnJewl

another one is to leave dairy farmers holding a large quantity of milk for a few days as they know if it turns its waste then offer a low price

Nonsense. The supermarkets have a contract with the procesers, the processers have a contract with the farmer. Some contracts pay better, but stipulate stricter hygeine and welfare. Milk will be collected daily or alternate days, but never will milk be left for several days because the dairies are buying it on the terms of a contract, not buying milk on an ad-hoc basis on the hope someone will buy it.
really? ........................no honestly really ???
so when mr j sainsbury or mr tesco decides that there is going to be buy one get one free who do you think suffers the cost, us ...........no, mr supermarket...........no again
it simply get passed to the dairy farmer who is told there is a glut of milk and none is needed for a few days normally long enough for it to turn .
that so called contract isn`t worth the paper its wrote on and guess who comes up with the genius idea to the Farmer to sell it cheap save wasting it .......go on have a guess?
there you go took two nano seconds to find this on sainsburys website

Sainsbury's is the first supermarket to work directly with farmers to encourage them to undertake the change to organic farming.

no mention of a processing company???????????

5 Apr 2012

Sainsbury's buy their milk from Robert Wisemans. The Wisemans/Sainsburys contract is one of the best paying. I used to milk cows on a Unigate/Marks & Spencer contract. It paid better than a standard Unigate contract, but we had tougher hygiene standards to meet to qualify, because M&S had stipulated to Unigate what their standard would be and they were willing to pay extra for it. Unigate then offered a different contract to their standard one for farms to specifically supply M&S. No dairy farmer supplies a supermarket direct.

5 Apr 2012

Quote by MartnJewl
No dairy farmer supplies a supermarket direct.

so you keep saying so why was this put in place

5 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
No dairy farmer supplies a supermarket direct.

so you keep saying so why was this put in place

Taken from your link: "Mr Peacock, who is also a director of local food group the Northumbria Larder, initially started supplying milk to Asda two years ago through the County Durham dairy". In short His contract was with County Durham dairy who supplied ASDA. Also in your link there was a tale about a farmer who set up his own processing plant who supplies local independant shops and farm shops; not supermarkets. Raw milk doesn't get sold on the open market like meat or cereals. Find me some evidence of farmers milk not being collected until they agree to sell at a knock down price to a supermarket.
There's some pretty sharp practices by supermarkets meat buyers which only works because the meat buyer buys direct from farmers. One from a few years back was getting sheep farmers to agree to a contract to supply lamb direct to a supermarket, which gauranteed 5% above market price for lambs. The supermarket would ring up asking for 70 lambs, but the farmer would have to present 100 lambs to the buyer who would pick the 9best0 70 he wanted. The remaining 30 would end up for sale at the livestock auctions and being poorer quality would fetch a lower price. This same price would then be used to calculate the'market value + 5%' that the supermarket guaranteed to pay.

5 Apr 2012

supermarkets and sharp practices
also taken from my link was this

ABEEFED-UP code of practice is being introduced to give farmers greater protection when they deal with supermarkets. That, along with recommendations for an independent ombudsman to police the code, was a key conclusion of the two-year Competition Commission probe into the groceries market published last spring.
Issues at the heart of the investigation included often repeated anecdotes that farmers supplying supermarkets were not always treated as well as they might be. Stories of late payments and last-minute order and price changes made up many of the allegations.

But not all farmers have suffered and the prevailing attitude is that it is not prudent to bite the hand that feeds you.

all this heavily favours the information supplied to me by a dairy farmer who's land i have shooting rights on

6 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
supermarkets and sharp practices
also taken from my link was this
ABEEFED-UP code of practice is being introduced to give farmers greater protection when they deal with supermarkets. That, along with recommendations for an independent ombudsman to police the code, was a key conclusion of the two-year Competition Commission probe into the groceries market published last spring.
Issues at the heart of the investigation included often repeated anecdotes that farmers supplying supermarkets were not always treated as well as they might be. Stories of late payments and last-minute order and price changes made up many of the allegations.

But not all farmers have suffered and the prevailing attitude is that it is not prudent to bite the hand that feeds you.

all this heavily favours the information supplied to me by a dairy farmer who's land i have shooting rights on
Like I said meat farmers and vegetable growers have been screwed over as they do sell direct to supermarkets. Milk isn't and are you really saying that in over 25 years as a dairy herdsman that neither myself or my employers have never heard anything about supermarkets are leaving "dairy farmers holding a large quantity of milk for a few days as they know if it turns its waste then offer a low price" ever! Never been discussed at the many shows we have attended, never mentioned at breed society events, never chatted about with mates. I've yet to see a dairy farm with more than 2 days storage capacity for milk and neither has our dairy & refrigeration engineers. Your claim lacks any credibility.

6 Apr 2012

Quote by MartnJewl
supermarkets and sharp practices
also taken from my link was this
ABEEFED-UP code of practice is being introduced to give farmers greater protection when they deal with supermarkets. That, along with recommendations for an independent ombudsman to police the code, was a key conclusion of the two-year Competition Commission probe into the groceries market published last spring.
Issues at the heart of the investigation included often repeated anecdotes that farmers supplying supermarkets were not always treated as well as they might be. Stories of late payments and last-minute order and price changes made up many of the allegations.

But not all farmers have suffered and the prevailing attitude is that it is not prudent to bite the hand that feeds you.

all this heavily favours the information supplied to me by a dairy farmer who's land i have shooting rights on
Like I said meat farmers and vegetable growers have been screwed over as they do sell direct to supermarkets. Milk isn't and are you really saying that in over 25 years as a dairy herdsman that neither myself or my employers have never heard anything about supermarkets are leaving "dairy farmers holding a large quantity of milk for a few days as they know if it turns its waste then offer a low price" ever! Never been discussed at the many shows we have attended, never mentioned at breed society events, never chatted about with mates. I've yet to see a dairy farm with more than 2 days storage capacity for milk and neither has our dairy & refrigeration engineers. Your claim lacks any credibility.
the strange thing is i also see this on a TV program about 2 years ago that's how i broached the subject with the dairy farmer that i know on a personal level
and i have little reason to doubt the integrity of the program or the dairy Farmer i have spoken too dunno

is using gallons to measure fuel consumption a con?