is this a con

26 Feb 2012

going on from the fuel cost debate is this a con for us all?
i was out and about today and went past a Citroen garage advertising a new fuel efficient van. it indicated that it could do 81 mpg. mpg i though, what is a gallon? blink

does anyone know how many miles there car or van does to a litre of unleaded or diesel? whenever i hear peeple talking about how good there cars are on fuel, i always hear them talking about miles per gallon. why? we no longer buy our fuel in gallons only in litres now.
so if someone says as an example, my car does 42 mpg, would they know what that is per litre? i very much doubt it. is that because if peeple knew that it was say doing 16 miles per litre that they would then be saying, blimey it costs me to do 16 miles. as nobody knows what there car does to a litre is this another con as to why the car manufacturers continue to use gallons when studying fuel consumptions for cars?
is it yet another con?
does anyone here actually know what there car does a litre, or does anyone here know without searching on the internet how many litres there are to a gallon? then does anyone know how much a gallon of petrol actually be as of todays prices?
maybe if you find out you may realise the car industry using gallons instead of litres. dunno

26 Feb 2012

Star,
is easy, the trip computer will easily tell me imperial or metric - just a touch of the button away
lol

Sadly the 'little england' mentality of some that wants the £, pints, gallons, etc. and it suits the Government just fine when they don't work out what it's costing.

26 Feb 2012

Quote by HnS
Star,
is easy, the trip computer will easily tell me imperial or metric - just a touch of the button away

must be one of those flashy german thingys rolleyes

Quote by HnS
Sadly the 'little england' mentality of some that wants the £, pints, gallons, etc. and it suits the Government just fine when they don't work out what it's costing.

did not know that Citroen dealerships had that " little england " mentality. maybe france want the gallon as well then and not the litre dunno

:roll:

26 Feb 2012

Alternatively you could just do the maths. dunno

It isn't rocket science. My car does 40 mpg (n a bad week) and that is the same as 8.8 mpl. The ratio is (so many mpg/ = mpl). If necessary, buy a calculator. But you can estimate it as, 9 mpl for every 40 (actually 41) mpg. The more useful measure for personal use, rather than comparing different cars, surely is pence per mile anyway.
Relying on people being too lazy to work it out isn't a con. It's business. Using wrong numbers would be a con - but they are not. It's not as if gallons are an unknown medieval measure - they are still in use in loads of places. Most people still buy milk in pints - those 4-pint bottles are half a gallon each.

26 Feb 2012

Quote by foxylady2209
Alternatively you could just do the maths.

why would anyone feel the need to :dunno:

Quote by foxylady2209
It isn't rocket science. My car does 40 mpg (n a bad week) and that is the same as 8.8 mpl. The ratio is (so many mpg/ = mpl). If necessary, buy a calculator. But you can estimate it as, 9 mpl for every 40 (actually 41) mpg. The more useful measure for personal use, rather than comparing different cars, surely is pence per mile anyway.

why buy a calculator? we do not buy our fuel in gallons anymore, that was stopped as a measuring tool yeers ago. :bounce:

Quote by foxylady2209
Relying on people being too lazy to work it out isn't a con. It's business. Using wrong numbers would be a con - but they are not. It's not as if gallons are an unknown medieval measure - they are still in use in loads of places. Most people still buy milk in pints - those 4-pint bottles are half a gallon each.

are gallons still in use when selling things? i thought european directives stopped the uk selling things in pounds and ounces,instead had to use kilos?
why make things more difficult by having some things in pints and other things in kilos. somethings in gallons and others in litres. do they still teach kids in school in pounds and ounces, or would that now be in a history lesson?
you say it is easy foxy to work out but many cannot even do there times table up to 6 blink

why not just do the maths in the measurement that we buy the fuel in which is litres?
OMG i only get 12 miles to a litre of fuel. my car is not as cheap as i thought it was to run. or is that reely the whole point in blinding peeple with facts and figures that they hope peeple will not buy a calculator to find out :dunno:
in fact does anyone else here know how many litres in a gallon?

26 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
Alternatively you could just do the maths.

why would anyone feel the need to :dunno:
You were the one complaining about not knowing if your car was efficient or not.

Quote by foxylady2209
It isn't rocket science. My car does 40 mpg (n a bad week) and that is the same as 8.8 mpl. The ratio is (so many mpg/ = mpl). If necessary, buy a calculator. But you can estimate it as, 9 mpl for every 40 (actually 41) mpg. The more useful measure for personal use, rather than comparing different cars, surely is pence per mile anyway.

why buy a calculator? we do not buy our fuel in gallons anymore, that was stopped as a measuring tool yeers ago. :bounce:

Quote by foxylady2209
Relying on people being too lazy to work it out isn't a con. It's business. Using wrong numbers would be a con - but they are not. It's not as if gallons are an unknown medieval measure - they are still in use in loads of places. Most people still buy milk in pints - those 4-pint bottles are half a gallon each.

are gallons still in use when selling things? i thought european directives stopped the uk selling things in pounds and ounces,instead had to use kilos?
why make things more difficult by having some things in pints and other things in kilos. somethings in gallons and others in litres. do they still teach kids in school in pounds and ounces, or would that now be in a history lesson?
you say it is easy foxy to work out but many cannot even do there times table up to 6 blink

why not just do the maths in the measurement that we buy the fuel in which is litres?
OMG i only get 12 miles to a litre of fuel. my car is not as cheap as i thought it was to run. or is that reely the whole point in blinding peeple with facts and figures that they hope peeple will not buy a calculator to find out :dunno:
in fact does anyone else here know how many litres in a gallon?
I'm sorry - maybe I am in a minority of one - but I seriously doubt it. A rough apprioximation of 4.5 litres to a gallon is mental arithmetic stuff. Those who struggle have the calculator option.
Still don't see a 'con' as such. A con would be an illegal activity with the intention of defrauding people by giving them false information. Just a disagreement over what units petrol should be sold in.

26 Feb 2012

foxy let me put it another way.
i put 10 litres of fuel in my car and would like the dealers to tell me how many miles my car does to a litre. if it was 16 miles to a litre i would get roughy 160 miles to my ten litres of fuel. now that is simple and plain economical maths :notes:
why do i have to work it out for myself with a calculator?
we buy our fuel in litres not gallons and have done for over 30 bloody yeers now :twisted: . if i am looking at buying mrs star a new car next week and the dealer told me it does 55 to a gallon, i will ask him to tell me what that is a litre without using a calculator. he would not have a clue and nether would many others.:doh:

26 Feb 2012

Still don't see a 'con' as such. A con would be an illegal activity with the intention of defrauding people by giving them false information. Just a disagreement over what units petrol should be sold in.

I blame the Americans, being quite a large target market even the Frenchies wanna sell to. The Yanks still measure solids in cups, never mind fluids in ounces, pints and gallons. They really do need to catch up with the rest of the world and get with the Metric. WTF is a cup FFS? Big one, small one, pint pot? dunno

26 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
Still don't see a 'con' as such. A con would be an illegal activity with the intention of defrauding people by giving them false information. Just a disagreement over what units petrol should be sold in.

I blame the Americans, being quite a large target market even the Frenchies wanna sell to. The Yanks still measure solids in cups, never mind fluids in ounces, pints and gallons. They really do need to catch up with the rest of the world and get with the Metric. WTF is a cup FFS? Big one, small one, pint pot? dunno

I've had that problem (the cups thing) converting recipies. I tried my bra - but being a 40G my Victoria Sponge was enormous. Not that I was objecting.
I checked and I think a 'cup' is about 8 fluid ounces. But I bought a set of cup measures instead of using my jug. I wondered why they used cups but then realised that maybe it was to to with the movement west in the 19th century. Not many people had scales and most would use what they had to hand. Everybody had something they drank out of and they just adjusted the number eggs to suit.
Personally I LOVE old measures and quantity definitions (ever held a firkin in your hands?) so I am comfortable with multiple measures. :dunno: I know - I'm wierd. biggrin

26 Feb 2012

If it was sold bu the gallon it would look even more expensive than it does now lol...
And yes I do know how many litres to the gallon and find it quite easy to work out how many MPG my car is doing....

26 Feb 2012

I checked and I think a 'cup' is about 8 fluid ounces

You're not helping. For one 8 fluid ounces is a liquid measure ( the fluid thing is a hint! ) and for two I need it in grams.

ever held a firkin in your hands?

72 pints? Are you mad? Is it possible to get ale in a glass that big though? I'd have a good go at it if it is. :lickface:

26 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
I checked and I think a 'cup' is about 8 fluid ounces

You're not helping. For one 8 fluid ounces is a liquid measure ( the fluid thing is a hint! ) and for two I need it in grams.

ever held a firkin in your hands?

72 pints? Are you mad? Is it possible to get ale in a glass that big though? I'd have a good go at it if it is. :lickface:

Ahh there you have the problem - a cup of flour weighs different from a cup of sugar. So there isn't a straight conversion. I do think a volume measure on dry stuff works quite well though. It's what I use to fill my bread machine and works a treat.

26 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
Star,
is easy, the trip computer will easily tell me imperial or metric - just a touch of the button away

must be one of those flashy german thingys
Always thought Lode Lane, Solihull was in West Midlands rather than West Germany

26 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
if i am looking at buying mrs star a new car next week and the dealer told me it does 55 to a gallon, i will ask him to tell me what that is a litre without using a calculator. he would not have a clue and nether would many others.:doh:

Star,
Yes they would banghead

a simple look at the Brochure for any car in the dealership or the relevant manufacturers website will show you consumption figures in both imperial and metric for Combined, Extra Urban and Urban tests - the only ones they are allowed to quote.

26 Feb 2012

i will see hns if i can take a picture tomorrow of what the advert says very clearly.
81 MPG. " the most economical in it's class " in big bold letters right next to the dealers name.
if i have the time i will ask the salesperson if they can tell me what it actually does in litres without looking at a calculator.
why would the sales person have to look at the brochure? surely anyone with an ounce of maths logic will be able to convert 81 mpg into mpl in a fraction of a second? loon

26 Feb 2012

As Foxy has said, it's not a con - if you're concerned enough, do the maths. And if an adult seriously can't do their times tables up to six, they are seriously thick and probably don't have the brains to drive, never mind calculate fuel consumption.

26 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
i will see hns if i can take a picture tomorrow of what the advert says very clearly.
81 MPG. " the most economical in it's class " in big bold letters right next to the dealers name.
if i have the time i will ask the salesperson if they can tell me what it actually does in litres without looking at a calculator.
why would the sales person have to look at the brochure? surely anyone with an ounce of maths logic will be able to convert 81 mpg into mpl in a fraction of a second?

The thing is, if all the manufacturers use mpg as an indicator, then it's easy enough to compare anyway between different makes/models of car.

26 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
surely anyone with an ounce of maths logic will be able to convert 81 mpg into mpl in a fraction of a second?

Who exactly d'you think you're arguing with Star, cos reading back through the thread it now looks like you're arguing with yourself? I sometimes talk to meself too, but I don't generally start threads only to demolish them later. confused

Even I'm not that argumentative? rolleyes

26 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
Who exactly d'you think you're arguing with Star, cos reading back through the thread it now looks like you're arguing with yourself? I sometimes talk to meself too, but I don't generally start threads only to demolish them later. Even I'm not that argumentative?

He's confused ?

27 Feb 2012

Quote by HnS
Sadly the 'little england' mentality of some that wants the £, pints, gallons, etc.

Damn bloody right! And Temperature in Celsius not Fahrenheit, miles not kilometers etc.
It is nothing to do with a 'little england' mentality, but being someone who is English born and raised. I am not European, I do not want this country to become a federal state, and I do not want to lose our identity which includes the £, pints, gallons etc.
Rather than people try and change these aspects of this country, if they don't like what they see here, then go to another country that serves their needs. They have that freedom to do so.

27 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
does anyone here actually know what there car does a litre

Yes.. and it's a German marque from an American parent company but a car built for the French market (go figure). The on-board computer tells you constantly how many litres you are using per 100 kilometres.

Quote by starlightcouple
i will see hns if i can take a picture tomorrow of what the advert says very clearly.
81 MPG. " the most economical in it's class " in big bold letters right next to the dealers name.
if i have the time i will ask the salesperson if they can tell me what it actually does in litres without looking at a calculator.
why would the sales person have to look at the brochure? surely anyone with an ounce of maths logic will be able to convert 81 mpg into mpl in a fraction of a second?

shouldn't that be a gram?
bolt

27 Feb 2012

Quote by essex34m

Sadly the 'little england' mentality of some that wants the £, pints, gallons, etc.

Damn bloody right! And Temperature in Celsius not Fahrenheit, miles not kilometers etc.
It is nothing to do with a 'little england' mentality, but being someone who is English born and raised. I am not European, I do not want this country to become a federal state, and I do not want to lose our identity which includes the £, pints, gallons etc.
Rather than people try and change these aspects of this country, if they don't like what they see here, then go to another country that serves their needs. They have that freedom to do so.
agree 100% essex. :thumbup:

27 Feb 2012

Quote by HnS
Sadly the 'little england' mentality of some that wants the £, pints, gallons, etc.

yes i am part of that mentality hns :thumbup: are you part of that mentality hns? i bet the pro europeans are skulking away now that the euro has failed and is about to destroy countries. " some " with the " little england mentality " would have also led us to the lions den by forcing us into the euro. thankfully the little englanders have won the day :giggle:
i like many others want our pound and our pints and gallons, it is part of what makes us english and not european :thumbup::thumbup:

Quote by HnS
He's confused ?

not at all hns. it seems many others are confused. i see things perfectly, it is a con :thumbup: and there are peeple on this very thred who still think that every adult can do there times tables up to six. trust me there are plenty who could not add up at all unless it only came to 20 which is the digits they have on there hands and feet. anything over that a calculator is needed.

27 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Sadly the 'little england' mentality of some that wants the £, pints, gallons, etc.

yes i am part of that mentality hns :thumbup: are you part of that mentality hns? i bet the pro europeans are skulking away now that the euro has failed and is about to destroy countries. " some " with the " little england mentality " would have also led us to the lions den by forcing us into the euro. thankfully the little englanders have won the day :giggle:
i like many others want our pound and our pints and gallons, it is part of what makes us english and not european :thumbup::thumbup:

Quote by HnS
He's confused ?

not at all hns. it seems many others are confused. i see things perfectly, it is a con :thumbup: and there are peeple on this very thred who still think that every adult can do there times tables up to six. trust me there are plenty who could not add up at all unless it only came to 20 which is the digits they have on there hands and feet. anything over that a calculator is needed.
Then they should buy a calculator.
Hang on. Hold your horses!! The first complaint - YOUR first complaint - was that efficiency is given in miles per gallon and should be in miles per litre. And now you are saying that you want to stick with imperial measures because using litres and kilos equates to wanting to live under a European govenrment (it doesn't of course - English scientists and engineers have been using the metric system for over a hundred years - it was mentioned as a subject in a school log dated in the mid 1800's). Joining Europe fully would mean moving fully to metric - but moving fully to metric does not automatically mean joining Europe.
Make you mind up which way your whinging is going - you have just destroyed any validity in BOTH your arguments by arguing for metric and then against it.

27 Feb 2012

Quote by foxylady2209
Then they should buy a calculator.
Hang on. Hold your horses!! The first complaint - YOUR first complaint - was that efficiency is given in miles per gallon and should be in miles per litre. And now you are saying that you want to stick with imperial measures because using litres and kilos equates to wanting to live under a European govenrment (it doesn't of course - English scientists and engineers have been using the metric system for over a hundred years - it was mentioned as a subject in a school log dated in the mid 1800's). Joining Europe fully would mean moving fully to metric - but moving fully to metric does not automatically mean joining Europe.
Make you mind up which way your whinging is going - you have just destroyed any validity in BOTH your arguments by arguing for metric and then against it.

i am confused foxy :bounce::bounce:
without a calculator my car does on average 38 miles to a gallon. right so how much is a gallon of fuel? ermmm i do not know as no calculator here. i know it is roughly a litre.
ok then my car does 38 miles to a gallon but i do not buy my fuel in gallons only litres, ah right. so without a calculator how many litres to a gallon? ermmm dont know as i am from the little england mentality that still uses gallons in my head, a bit like still using inches and feet as against mm and cm. lol

right so i buy my fuel in litres and want to know how to convert into gallons without using a calculator. sorry as frecklebird hinted i must be a bit tik. but if someone here can tell me the answer i crave which is, i do 38 miles to a galon of fuel, so how many miles do i get to a litre of fuel?
help wave

27 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
not at all hns. it seems many others are confused. i see things perfectly, it is a con :thumbup: and there are peeple on this very thred who still think that every adult can do there times tables up to six. trust me there are plenty who could not add up at all unless it only came to 20 which is the digits they have on there hands and feet. anything over that a calculator is needed.

He's having a go at the French again...
Poor old Napoleon.

27 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Then they should buy a calculator.
Hang on. Hold your horses!! The first complaint - YOUR first complaint - was that efficiency is given in miles per gallon and should be in miles per litre. And now you are saying that you want to stick with imperial measures because using litres and kilos equates to wanting to live under a European govenrment (it doesn't of course - English scientists and engineers have been using the metric system for over a hundred years - it was mentioned as a subject in a school log dated in the mid 1800's). Joining Europe fully would mean moving fully to metric - but moving fully to metric does not automatically mean joining Europe.
Make you mind up which way your whinging is going - you have just destroyed any validity in BOTH your arguments by arguing for metric and then against it.

i am confused foxy :bounce::bounce:
without a calculator my car does on average 38 miles to a gallon. right so how much is a gallon of fuel? ermmm i do not know as no calculator here. i know it is roughly a litre.
ok then my car does 38 miles to a gallon but i do not buy my fuel in gallons only litres, ah right. so without a calculator how many litres to a gallon? ermmm dont know as i am from the little england mentality that still uses gallons in my head, a bit like still using inches and feet as against mm and cm. lol

right so i buy my fuel in litres and want to know how to convert into gallons without using a calculator. sorry as frecklebird hinted i must be a bit tik. but if someone here can tell me the answer i crave which is, i do 38 miles to a galon of fuel, so how many miles do i get to a litre of fuel?
help wave

Seriously - you clearly need one - what is your objection to using one? I can't see well so I have glasses - you can't do maths so you - do without and whine that it isn't done for you? Fine whine on just don't expect any sympathy. By the way - there is probably a calculator function on your phone too.
And you have chosen to ignore the point of that post you qioted which was you arguing FOR metric in your first post and AGAINST metric in your later one. You ignoring it does not stop anyone reading this from knowing your have shot yourself down in flames.

27 Feb 2012

:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
thanks foxy for your help and huge understanding. :thumbup:

4 Mar 2012

Quote by foxylady2209
Here's the help.
Seriously - you clearly need one -

Quote by frecklebird
And if an adult seriously can't do their times tables up to six, they are seriously thick and probably don't have the brains to drive, never mind calculate fuel consumption.

well glad to see that i am not the only one with a simple maths problem

best get foxy to contact amazon as there is a killing to be made out there. :notes::giggle:
" A shocking 16,709,000 out of the 34,100,000 Brits aged 16 to 65 — 49 per cent of the working population — struggle with basic arithmetic ".
imagine getting them to work out how many miles to a gallon eh? or worse still reely confuse them and say convert it into miles per litre.
shocking trully shocking. innocent

it seems the swinging fraternity all bar one seem to be super with there maths, must be something in the air on SH eh dunno

:doh:

4 Mar 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
thanks foxy for your help and huge understanding. :thumbup:

You're welcome - you identified a need, I suggested a workable solution. What more do you want?

is using gallons to measure fuel consumption a con?