At present im unemployed, although i prefer to say im a homemaker lol - i am qualified as a higher Level Teaching Assistant and have a levels and o levels coming out my arse, but because i dont want to work in secondary school im having real trouble getting a job in primary school
just wondered does anyone else currently not working have this problem???? im over qualified to work for Asda even though i went through the entire interview process
theres nothing more i would like to do than work, i dont care what is is, as long as i can support my kids and pay my bills, im not lazy, im not a slacker, but i seem to have been tagged by the DWP as being fussy because i wont use my qualifications to work in secondary school. they dont seem to understand why i had to leave (working with complex needs children who beat me up on a daily basis) and now im facing my benefits being cut because of it, even though i WANT to work
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That does suck, on one side I understand the system, if jobs are available and people don't want them it is hard to justify paying benefits, let's face it if there were no benefits available we would all take on just about any job to feed our families.
On the other hand I understand your situation that not all jobs within a profession are suitable, especially I would imagine in Teaching and Nursing for example.
I also understand where Asda are coming from, not everyone can do a mundane job, no disrespect to those that do but sometimes filling shelves will not suffice for some of the more educated amongst us and Asda probably find that many such people take these jobs as fillers and do not stay long even if they think they can, or until something better comes along, training staff does cost Asda a lot of money and there is a vast quantity of people available who will do the shelf filling etc.
On the other hand I understand your situation that not all jobs within a profession are suitable, especially I would imagine in Teaching and Nursing for example.
I also understand where Asda are coming from, not everyone can do a mundane job, no disrespect to those that do but sometimes filling shelves will not suffice for some of the more educated amongst us and Asda probably find that many such people take these jobs as fillers and do not stay long even if they think they can, or until something better comes along, training staff does cost Asda a lot of money and there is a vast quantity of people available who will do the shelf filling etc.
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Personally I would do pretty much anything (legal) to be in work. I may not be particularly motivated by cleaning public toilets but I would do it if I had to. Not just because I wouldn't want to claim benefits but because I'd go doo lally tap if I had nothing to do.
I really don't understand how any employer can say that someone is over qualified to do a job. I recruit a lot in my job and although sometimes I do wonder why someone who is obviously overqualified would apply for certain roles, I would never refuse them an opportunity on that basis alone. There are many people who have held very responsible and/or high level jobs who, for whatever reason, decide to take a step (or numerous steps) down as they just don't want the stress and responsibility anymore. Who am I to assume what an individual's motivations are for applying? I feel that ASDA have done you quite an injustice.
I really don't understand how any employer can say that someone is over qualified to do a job. I recruit a lot in my job and although sometimes I do wonder why someone who is obviously overqualified would apply for certain roles, I would never refuse them an opportunity on that basis alone. There are many people who have held very responsible and/or high level jobs who, for whatever reason, decide to take a step (or numerous steps) down as they just don't want the stress and responsibility anymore. Who am I to assume what an individual's motivations are for applying? I feel that ASDA have done you quite an injustice.
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Over qualified eh, damn you, get to the back of the line!
The simple truth when you are 'over qualified' is that you screwed up. Employers don't want to take people with too many qualifications for a good reason, the employee gets bored, moves on and costs the employer money.
Ok, lets over exaggerate. We have a qualified Doctor of applied mathematics applying for a job at a supermarket as a shelf stacker.
Turnover of staff is fairly high in that sort of job as people get bored or they apply for other jobs, they get promoted or they move on through other means.
So would you employ a guy on 10K knowing that he is aware that he can earn 150K and he will actually cost you money in the mean time to train, adorn, wage etc?
I don't think you would, and neither will they; The simple answer is to tailor your CV to the job you are applying for, not simply blast all your qualifications in their face. Does it really matter if your a qualified astro physicist if you can't get a job in your line of work and look for something else in the mean time? Of course not, but don't let your prospective employers know!
The simple truth when you are 'over qualified' is that you screwed up. Employers don't want to take people with too many qualifications for a good reason, the employee gets bored, moves on and costs the employer money.
Ok, lets over exaggerate. We have a qualified Doctor of applied mathematics applying for a job at a supermarket as a shelf stacker.
Turnover of staff is fairly high in that sort of job as people get bored or they apply for other jobs, they get promoted or they move on through other means.
So would you employ a guy on 10K knowing that he is aware that he can earn 150K and he will actually cost you money in the mean time to train, adorn, wage etc?
I don't think you would, and neither will they; The simple answer is to tailor your CV to the job you are applying for, not simply blast all your qualifications in their face. Does it really matter if your a qualified astro physicist if you can't get a job in your line of work and look for something else in the mean time? Of course not, but don't let your prospective employers know!
Now, i'm not directing this directly at Katniss (honestly) but, being the cynic I am (or have grown to be), is it just conceivable that some job seekers will purposely load the application with 'inappropriate' over-qualifications for the very reasons highlighted by Trev?
Given the shift in emphasis in recent years towards 'job seekers' from 'unemployed' benefits, people who want to run the system - for whatever reason - will load the system in their favour. They have to present themselves for jobs (many of which they would deem inappropriate) to keep the allowance so why not make it as difficult as possible for the employer to decide to employ?
Given the shift in emphasis in recent years towards 'job seekers' from 'unemployed' benefits, people who want to run the system - for whatever reason - will load the system in their favour. They have to present themselves for jobs (many of which they would deem inappropriate) to keep the allowance so why not make it as difficult as possible for the employer to decide to employ?
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Now, i'm not directing this directly at Katniss (honestly) but, being the cynic I am (or have grown to be), is it just conceivable that some job seekers will purposely load the application with 'inappropriate' over-qualifications for the very reasons highlighted by Trev?
Given the shift in emphasis in recent years towards 'job seekers' from 'unemployed' benefits, people who want to run the system - for whatever reason - will load the system in their favour. They have to present themselves for jobs (many of which they would deem inappropriate) to keep the allowance so why not make it as difficult as possible for the employer to decide to employ?
GnV i rarely take stuff personally, my point was that theres lots of jobs i COULD go for in Secondary Schools, but as I am the one dealing with the complex needs children/young people I have chosen not to go back into that line of work and am looking for work in Primary which is preferable to a - my health and b - my mental health. I spent a year at Secondary, i got attacked, spat at, kicked, punched on a daily basis. I know at least 6 people in the same position as myself who had to leave their employment or go on long term sickness because of depression or anxiety, im not proud of the fact that i allowed the job to get to me to the point where i got ill but there ya go it happened. The idea of going back into0 a DT room to be faced with at least 3 kids with high Functioning Autism or ADD, ADHD ODD and to have a bradawl held to my neck is not an occurence i wish to be repeated. Or into a science lab to have acid chucked on me. Im not over exaggerating, this is what happens. (I could get into a whole new debate how schools that used to accommodate these children have all closed and theres now no choice but to place them in mainstream). Yes maybe i have an idealistic view of me going back into education at Primary Level because its easier for me but thats my right to choose a path for myself that can also fit in with the needs of MY family.
Id rather not have to tailor my CV to not show qualifications and im not unaware of the fact that large companies with a high turnover of staff would rather have students working for them because they tend to stick around for longer. All i want is to be able to support my family without having to rely on government handouts. So yes maybe im staying on benefits a bit longer than I or anyone else would like, but i'm out there looking for work, My CV is with the agencies, I door knock and ring round 5 days a week and something will turn up eventually, the population boom in Brighton and Hove is such that at least 3 new Primary Schools will be opening this year, so at least Im in with a small chance of securing employment in my chosen sector
I would, and have done any job even a job far below my qualifications, in order to suport my family and me and to avoid being on benefits.
I have worded my CV to highlight my skills that are suitable for the job i am applying for. At the moment i am doing a job which really isn't suitable physically for me and is actually causing me harm aswell as immense pain but i will stick with it and put up with the side effects and pain until i find another job more suitable as the thought of not working and having to rely on benefits fills me with complete dread.
This isn't a dig at anyone but just the way i am and the way i think, we arn't all the same i do understand that.
I have worded my CV to highlight my skills that are suitable for the job i am applying for. At the moment i am doing a job which really isn't suitable physically for me and is actually causing me harm aswell as immense pain but i will stick with it and put up with the side effects and pain until i find another job more suitable as the thought of not working and having to rely on benefits fills me with complete dread.
This isn't a dig at anyone but just the way i am and the way i think, we arn't all the same i do understand that.
I had a period of job seeking a couple of years ago and at one stage the advisor at the job centre suggested I take some of my qualifications off my CV.
I decided against this and at the next appointment saw a different advisor, raised this with him and he said he thought it was a bad idea and of course technically it's misrepresentation.
Anyway, not long after this I was approached by a temp agency, got a long term temp job that led to the permanent job that I have now. Had I amended my CV and removed qualifications / experience I would have probably ended up doing a job that wouldn't have suited me and quite possibly one that I wouldn't have wanted to make a permanent option.
As it is, I enjoy what I do - it's not exactly what I'm qualified to do but I don't want to go back to that anyway, hence the issue with my CV in the first place. I do use almost all of the skills I have from my previous jobs, just in a different area of healthcare.
As hard as it is to remain looking for work (and contrary to popular media stories I do think that most people want to work) I'm glad that I stuck to my guns and in time got a job that I enjoy and that stimulates me.
I decided against this and at the next appointment saw a different advisor, raised this with him and he said he thought it was a bad idea and of course technically it's misrepresentation.
Anyway, not long after this I was approached by a temp agency, got a long term temp job that led to the permanent job that I have now. Had I amended my CV and removed qualifications / experience I would have probably ended up doing a job that wouldn't have suited me and quite possibly one that I wouldn't have wanted to make a permanent option.
As it is, I enjoy what I do - it's not exactly what I'm qualified to do but I don't want to go back to that anyway, hence the issue with my CV in the first place. I do use almost all of the skills I have from my previous jobs, just in a different area of healthcare.
As hard as it is to remain looking for work (and contrary to popular media stories I do think that most people want to work) I'm glad that I stuck to my guns and in time got a job that I enjoy and that stimulates me.
I guess I have been very lucky, all my jobs since leaving the Forces have been ones for which I have been way UNDER qualified often with no qualification or experience what so ever, there is no doubt that my service record helped and sometimes was the sole reason I was given the job even though jumping out of planes and hiding in woods covered in grass is no real qualification for being a hotel manager or area manager for 32 kitchen showrooms amongst other jobs I have been given.
I even reached the final two candidates for job as a CEO for a very large company even though I had to ask my current boss what a CEO was, I beat over 500 other candidates to be selected into the final 2 and though I didn't get the job I was pleased with myself.
I even reached the final two candidates for job as a CEO for a very large company even though I had to ask my current boss what a CEO was, I beat over 500 other candidates to be selected into the final 2 and though I didn't get the job I was pleased with myself.
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I am an unemployed astronaut, hate the fact that the DWP don't recognise the fact that I want to work but why should I do something for which I am overqualified or expect me to work at the European Space Agency where they don't even speak English.
