did find these links although last year seems there is a lot that`s still not known
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Good links Rob but all rhetoric, oh no hang on it can't be....it's from the Guardian. 
The miners were like lambs to the slaughter.
The power of the unions have never been as powerful since the miners were defeated.
Yes as has already been pointed out on here, there were huge losses within the miners communities, but as I stated before Scargill was a deluded self satisfying idiot, who used the miners to further his own cause.
History has been proved that the miners after all the grief they were FORCED to encounter, actually counted for nothing.
Scargill is as bitter and twisted now, as he was when he thought he could topple the Thatcher Government.
History says he was wrong.
Now what we need is someone as strong as her to kick UNITE into touch, over yet more union tosser leaders doing everything possible to get one over on the employers, to the detriment of the very members they say they are representing.
BA is going down the toilet quicker than most imagine yet....they still push with strikes.
When the UNITE members are picking up their dole money and whingeing, let that be a lesson to them.
The miners were like lambs to the slaughter.
The power of the unions have never been as powerful since the miners were defeated.
Yes as has already been pointed out on here, there were huge losses within the miners communities, but as I stated before Scargill was a deluded self satisfying idiot, who used the miners to further his own cause.
History has been proved that the miners after all the grief they were FORCED to encounter, actually counted for nothing.
Scargill is as bitter and twisted now, as he was when he thought he could topple the Thatcher Government.
History says he was wrong.
Now what we need is someone as strong as her to kick UNITE into touch, over yet more union tosser leaders doing everything possible to get one over on the employers, to the detriment of the very members they say they are representing.
BA is going down the toilet quicker than most imagine yet....they still push with strikes.
When the UNITE members are picking up their dole money and whingeing, let that be a lesson to them.
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
did find these links although last year seems there is a lot that`s still not known
Interesting links, thanks
So, in some people's veiw, at least, it was not all Thatchers fault then
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
The thing is I did see a libdem representative saying the reason talks with labour had broken down was their refusal to compromise their core promises.
Oh and the pits....if it wasn't just idiot spite why were productive profitable pits closed ?
thanks
interesting banners
I thought so....sometimes the story is more interesting/informative than the dogma
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did find these links although last year seems there is a lot that`s still not known
i am confused as to what you think is not known about these articles.
As it says in the opening paragraphs this is something that has been debated many did not oppose the strike,nor did argue that it was not a deliberate attempt to dystroy an entire industry,he merely wished that the NUM could have had the full backing of the labour movement.
The term general strike comes to mind.
Reguarding Scargills supposedly secret agenda,he was a socialist,of course he opposed the government,just as tories opposed the previous is not a crime yet to disagee with the party in power.
Well i have found them interesting, as I would be the first to admit, I know very little about the subject. Living on the south coast I was isolated from what was happening.
I do not wish to belittle the hardship or tradgedys that so many went through due to the pit closures, that is not my intention.
But the more I read and hear the more i see that it was not all down to thatcher and the Tory's.
Sex God
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did find these links although last year seems there is a lot that`s still not known
i am confused as to what you think is not known about these articles.
As it says in the opening paragraphs this is something that has been debated many did not oppose the strike,nor did argue that it was not a deliberate attempt to dystroy an entire industry,he merely wished that the NUM could have had the full backing of the labour movement.
The term general strike comes to mind.
Reguarding Scargills supposedly secret agenda,he was a socialist,of course he opposed the government,just as tories opposed the previous is not a crime yet to disagee with the party in power.
Well i have found them interesting, as I would be the first to admit, I know very little about the subject. Living on the south coast I was isolated from what was happening.
I do not wish to belittle the hardship or tradgedys that so many went through due to the pit closures, that is not my intention.
But the more I read and hear the more i see that it was not all down to thatcher and the Tory's.
The tragedy of it is you're right....there are ways the miners,unions and the labour movement as a whole could have better approached the pit closure scheme, but the only substantive difference they could have made would have been in public pits were going to be closed whatever they did...like the steel industry before it Thatcher had decided to sell the assets to the highest bidder...she actively sought confrontation with the unions..and got almost everything else she did in power her actions were designed to enrich an already wealthy elite
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did find these links although last year seems there is a lot that`s still not known
i am confused as to what you think is not known about these articles.
As it says in the opening paragraphs this is something that has been debated many did not oppose the strike,nor did argue that it was not a deliberate attempt to dystroy an entire industry,he merely wished that the NUM could have had the full backing of the labour movement.
The term general strike comes to mind.
Reguarding Scargills supposedly secret agenda,he was a socialist,of course he opposed the government,just as tories opposed the previous is not a crime yet to disagee with the party in power.
Well i have found them interesting, as I would be the first to admit, I know very little about the subject. Living on the south coast I was isolated from what was happening.
I do not wish to belittle the hardship or tradgedys that so many went through due to the pit closures, that is not my intention.
But the more I read and hear the more i see that it was not all down to thatcher and the Tory's.
The tragedy of it is you're right....there are ways the miners,unions and the labour movement as a whole could have better approached the pit closure scheme, but the only substantive difference they could have made would have been in public pits were going to be closed whatever they did...like the steel industry before it Thatcher had decided to sell the assets to the highest bidder...she actively sought confrontation with the unions..and got almost everything else she did in power her actions were designed to enrich an already wealthy elite
Yes it would seem she had her own asgenda, as did the unions. I think I see things through rose tinted glasses, as the 80s were a very good time for me, I started work in 1981 and had so much disposable income in those days.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
did find these links although last year seems there is a lot that`s still not known
i am confused as to what you think is not known about these articles.
As it says in the opening paragraphs this is something that has been debated many did not oppose the strike,nor did argue that it was not a deliberate attempt to dystroy an entire industry,he merely wished that the NUM could have had the full backing of the labour movement.
The term general strike comes to mind.
Reguarding Scargills supposedly secret agenda,he was a socialist,of course he opposed the government,just as tories opposed the previous is not a crime yet to disagee with the party in power.
Well i have found them interesting, as I would be the first to admit, I know very little about the subject. Living on the south coast I was isolated from what was happening.
I do not wish to belittle the hardship or tradgedys that so many went through due to the pit closures, that is not my intention.
But the more I read and hear the more i see that it was not all down to thatcher and the Tory's.
The tragedy of it is you're right....there are ways the miners,unions and the labour movement as a whole could have better approached the pit closure scheme, but the only substantive difference they could have made would have been in public pits were going to be closed whatever they did...like the steel industry before it Thatcher had decided to sell the assets to the highest bidder...she actively sought confrontation with the unions..and got almost everything else she did in power her actions were designed to enrich an already wealthy elite
i am the very same blue a few snippets on evening news when i was younger but never really got to grip with a true picture
but as its has come up in recent threads a few time i thought best i have a harder look
it seems the more i look the more i feel scargill was more war monger than trade unionist and after holding the previous government to ransom he thought he was invincible
to me the man ate steak while his members starved and would pretty much be at home in the new labour cabinet
the sad fact is the real losers were the mining community and the miners and from what i am reading this was a battle of egos nothing more
i will say all credit to the tories for kicking him when he was down they changed laws and i think scargill got a real lesson in how not to take on a government he really did get taken to the cleaners
watch this it tells a story
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Without wanting to obsess on Scargill he was a vain man and probably still is....the fact remains he didn't close a single pit, he didn't make a single miner redundant....It was Mrs Thatcher and her hit man Ian MacGregor who did both ...in his tenure at British steel it was obvious to even a casual observer what was going to happen to the mines once he'd been Scargills' greatest error and one he should never be forgiven for was allowing himself to be manoeuvred into playing to their rules and becoming nothing but a pawn in the Thatcherite destruction of British manufacturing.
You can try to blame whoever you like but it was the government and their agents who closed the pits and destroyed the lives of so many men women and children....all in the name of profit....I for one will never forgive them or forget .....any society that puts the wealth of a few before the lives of it's less fortunate members is representative of the worst humanity is capable of and deserves nothing but scorn and contempt
You can try to blame whoever you like but it was the government and their agents who closed the pits and destroyed the lives of so many men women and children....all in the name of profit....I for one will never forgive them or forget .....any society that puts the wealth of a few before the lives of it's less fortunate members is representative of the worst humanity is capable of and deserves nothing but scorn and contempt
You know what Rob.....I watched five seconds of that and had to turn it off.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
Sex God
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You know what Rob.....I watched five seconds of that and had to turn it off.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
not sure if I should resent that or not
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You know what Rob.....I watched five seconds of that and had to turn it off.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
not sure if I should resent that or not
:laughabove::laughabove:
Slowly I may be catching on to your sense of hummer
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You know what Rob.....I watched five seconds of that and had to turn it off.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
What money does Scargill still take?
Quote by kentswingers777
You know what Rob.....I watched five seconds of that and had to turn it off.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
BTW, you may want to re-read what you write. YOu tell us in paragrpah two that Scargill is al you detest int he trades union movement.
Then in para three you tell us what else you detest in the trades union movement, which mainly seems to be anyone who doesn't do what they're told by the powerful interests you so cravenly admire.
That seems to me to be a logical inconsistency.
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You know what Rob.....I watched five seconds of that and had to turn it off.
He is all I detest in the Trade Union movement.
There have been others....the print unions and the train unions, sorry if I do not know what those unions are called as I really do not care.
All Scargill needs is a moustache and another mad deluded man springs to mind.
Scargill is what epitomised Labour in the 70's and 80's, and now NEW Labour are no different really. Unite is the biggest contributor to the Labour party. The same Union that is in current strike action against BA. No wonder it took Brown so long to say anything....did not want to upset his paymasters eh?
There was a interview with him only recently in the Mail, and he still thinks he achieved something from the miners strike.:shock:....did he? I am at a loss as to what the fuck that could have possibly been.
Still Scargill and his other irks still take the money and on occasions the glory, but for him he remains a very bitter twisted man, and there will be no State funeral for him when he goes, unlike the Iron Lady who WILL have a state funeral.
I wonder how many of the old banners will come out of storage when he does go? Or how many ex miners actually attend his funeral. Or will they see what he did do the their union and their jobs? Will the ex miners be called " scabs " if they fail to go, or threatened with violence like they were in the 80's?
I await those questions.
BTW, you may want to re-read what you write. YOu tell us in paragrpah two that Scargill is al you detest int he trades union movement.
Then in para three you tell us what else you detest in the trades union movement, which mainly seems to be anyone who doesn't do what they're told by the powerful interests you so cravenly admire.
That seems to me to be a logical inconsistency.
Only to those that do not understand I suppose.
Let me spell it out for you....I detest the Trade Union movement.
The days of the leaders of those unions serving their members, solely for the members is gone.
They do what they do for their own PR.
The Unions just like UNITE serve to cause the maximum disruption to the public. They constantly hold the public to ransom....it is always Joe public that suffer.
BA workers in my opinion have no gripe to make. They are the highest paid amongst their fellow workers, and they want to strike because their employers want to change some of the things in their contracts. At this rate many of them will not have any contracts as they won't have any jobs.
Long gone are the days when if it was not the Miners it was the printers or the train drivers or the car industry, who were holding the country to ransom.
The TUC wield very little power now...they are an almost spent force, and not before time.
Murdoch fecked the printers off out of it, with a deliberate ploy when he moved the Sun to Whapping. He knew that they would not go without a fight which is exactly what he wanted. In the end he sacked them all, or most of them.
As for Scargill's money.....was he on strike pay as well then, when he called the miners out? Like most or if not all union leaders, they still get their big fat salaries whilst the members who they represent have to make do with a paltry ammount in strike pay.
At least their union subs are worth paying I suppose.
Lets hope that UNITE do not rob even more of their members of their jobs, before this dispuite is over. Somehow I think they do not give a " flying fuck " even if that did happen, because the leaders of UNITE will still have their fat salaries and their company Jags to run around in.
Seems a fair screw to me.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
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snip.
Only to those that do not understand I suppose.
Let me spell it out for you....I detest the Trade Union movement.
The days of the leaders of those unions serving their members, solely for the members is gone.
They do what they do for their own PR.
The Unions just like UNITE serve to cause the maximum disruption to the public. They constantly hold the public to ransom....it is always Joe public that suffer.
BA workers in my opinion have no gripe to make. They are the highest paid amongst their fellow workers, and they want to strike because their employers want to change some of the things in their contracts. At this rate many of them will not have any contracts as they won't have any jobs.
Long gone are the days when if it was not the Miners it was the printers or the train drivers or the car industry, who were holding the country to ransom.
The TUC wield very little power now...they are an almost spent force, and not before time.
Murdoch fecked the printers off out of it, with a deliberate ploy when he moved the Sun to Whapping. He knew that they would not go without a fight which is exactly what he wanted. In the end he sacked them all, or most of them.
As for Scargill's money.....was he on strike pay as well then, when he called the miners out? Like most or if not all union leaders, they still get their big fat salaries whilst the members who they represent have to make do with a paltry ammount in strike pay.
At least their union subs are worth paying I suppose.
Lets hope that UNITE do not rob even more of their members of their jobs, before this dispuite is over. Somehow I think they do not give a " flying fuck " even if that did happen, because the leaders of UNITE will still have their fat salaries and their company Jags to run around in.
Seems a fair screw to me.
seems ba won this round in the court
:thumbup::thumbup:
And if the decision is upheld on appeal then there would seem no chance of any strikes anymore.
It would seem from the courts decision that the union/s would have to be able to prove that each and every member was notified of the result of the strike ballot.
Not just that each member was notified, but have to prove that each member was so notified.
It would seem from the courts decision that the union/s would have to be able to prove that each and every member was notified of the result of the strike ballot.
Not just that each member was notified, but have to prove that each member was so notified.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Only to those that do not understand I suppose.
Let me spell it out for you....I detest the Trade Union movement.
The days of the leaders of those unions serving their members, solely for the members is gone.
They do what they do for their own PR.
The Unions just like UNITE serve to cause the maximum disruption to the public. They constantly hold the public to ransom *1....it is always Joe public that suffer.
BA workers in my opinion have no gripe to make.*2 They are the highest paid amongst their fellow workers, and they want to strike because their employers want to change some of the things in their contracts. At this rate many of them will not have any contracts as they won't have any jobs.
Long gone are the days when if it was not the Miners it was the printers or the train drivers or the car industry, who were holding the country to ransom.
The TUC wield very little power now...they are an almost spent force, and not before time.
Murdoch fecked the printers off out of it, with a deliberate ploy when he moved the Sun to Whapping. He knew that they would not go without a fight which is exactly what he wanted. In the end he sacked them all, or most of them.
As for Scargill's money.....was he on strike pay as well then, when he called the miners out? Like most or if not all union leaders, they still get their big fat salaries whilst the members who they represent have to make do with a paltry ammount in strike pay.
At least their union subs are worth paying I suppose.
Lets hope that UNITE do not rob even more of their members of their jobs, before this dispuite is over. Somehow I think they do not give a " flying fuck " even if that did happen, because the leaders of UNITE will still have their fat salaries and their company Jags to run around in.
Seems a fair screw to me.
*1...no union holds the public to ransom..this is 3rd rate red top bollocks,any strike is held not to create suffering to the companys' customers but to try and strengthen a negotiating position...the idea that the target of this strike is the passengers is utter nonsense.
*2...They obviously disagree and voted to strike as they are entitled to...As you say 'in your opinion' unfortunately you'll find your opinion and mine aren't worth much when we don't get a ballot paper
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Only to those that do not understand I suppose.
Let me spell it out for you....I detest the Trade Union movement.
The days of the leaders of those unions serving their members, solely for the members is gone.
They do what they do for their own PR.
The Unions just like UNITE serve to cause the maximum disruption to the public. They constantly hold the public to ransom *1....it is always Joe public that suffer.
BA workers in my opinion have no gripe to make.*2 They are the highest paid amongst their fellow workers, and they want to strike because their employers want to change some of the things in their contracts. At this rate many of them will not have any contracts as they won't have any jobs.
Long gone are the days when if it was not the Miners it was the printers or the train drivers or the car industry, who were holding the country to ransom.
The TUC wield very little power now...they are an almost spent force, and not before time.
Murdoch fecked the printers off out of it, with a deliberate ploy when he moved the Sun to Whapping. He knew that they would not go without a fight which is exactly what he wanted. In the end he sacked them all, or most of them.
As for Scargill's money.....was he on strike pay as well then, when he called the miners out? Like most or if not all union leaders, they still get their big fat salaries whilst the members who they represent have to make do with a paltry ammount in strike pay.
At least their union subs are worth paying I suppose.
Lets hope that UNITE do not rob even more of their members of their jobs, before this dispuite is over. Somehow I think they do not give a " flying fuck " even if that did happen, because the leaders of UNITE will still have their fat salaries and their company Jags to run around in.
Seems a fair screw to me.
*1...no union holds the public to ransom..this is 3rd rate red top bollocks,any strike is held not to create suffering to the companys' customers but to try and strengthen a negotiating position...the idea that the target of this strike is the passengers is utter nonsense.
*2...They obviously disagree and voted to strike as they are entitled to...As you say 'in your opinion' unfortunately you'll find your opinion and mine aren't worth much when we don't get a ballot paper
They may not be the dirrect target, but indirectly they are effected
Quote by Bluefish2009
Only to those that do not understand I suppose.
Let me spell it out for you....I detest the Trade Union movement.
The days of the leaders of those unions serving their members, solely for the members is gone.
They do what they do for their own PR.
The Unions just like UNITE serve to cause the maximum disruption to the public. They constantly hold the public to ransom *1....it is always Joe public that suffer.
BA workers in my opinion have no gripe to make.*2 They are the highest paid amongst their fellow workers, and they want to strike because their employers want to change some of the things in their contracts. At this rate many of them will not have any contracts as they won't have any jobs.
Long gone are the days when if it was not the Miners it was the printers or the train drivers or the car industry, who were holding the country to ransom.
The TUC wield very little power now...they are an almost spent force, and not before time.
Murdoch fecked the printers off out of it, with a deliberate ploy when he moved the Sun to Whapping. He knew that they would not go without a fight which is exactly what he wanted. In the end he sacked them all, or most of them.
As for Scargill's money.....was he on strike pay as well then, when he called the miners out? Like most or if not all union leaders, they still get their big fat salaries whilst the members who they represent have to make do with a paltry ammount in strike pay.
At least their union subs are worth paying I suppose.
Lets hope that UNITE do not rob even more of their members of their jobs, before this dispuite is over. Somehow I think they do not give a " flying fuck " even if that did happen, because the leaders of UNITE will still have their fat salaries and their company Jags to run around in.
Seems a fair screw to me.
*1...no union holds the public to ransom..this is 3rd rate red top bollocks,any strike is held not to create suffering to the companys' customers but to try and strengthen a negotiating position...the idea that the target of this strike is the passengers is utter nonsense.
*2...They obviously disagree and voted to strike as they are entitled to...As you say 'in your opinion' unfortunately you'll find your opinion and mine aren't worth much when we don't get a ballot paper
They may not be the dirrect target, but indirectly they are effected
If management are so upset about the poor bloody custoemrs, let them compromise and do a deal instead of posturing
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
Only to those that do not understand I suppose.
Let me spell it out for you....I detest the Trade Union movement.
The days of the leaders of those unions serving their members, solely for the members is gone.
They do what they do for their own PR.
The Unions just like UNITE serve to cause the maximum disruption to the public. They constantly hold the public to ransom *1....it is always Joe public that suffer.
BA workers in my opinion have no gripe to make.*2 They are the highest paid amongst their fellow workers, and they want to strike because their employers want to change some of the things in their contracts. At this rate many of them will not have any contracts as they won't have any jobs.
Long gone are the days when if it was not the Miners it was the printers or the train drivers or the car industry, who were holding the country to ransom.
The TUC wield very little power now...they are an almost spent force, and not before time.
Murdoch fecked the printers off out of it, with a deliberate ploy when he moved the Sun to Whapping. He knew that they would not go without a fight which is exactly what he wanted. In the end he sacked them all, or most of them.
As for Scargill's money.....was he on strike pay as well then, when he called the miners out? Like most or if not all union leaders, they still get their big fat salaries whilst the members who they represent have to make do with a paltry ammount in strike pay.
At least their union subs are worth paying I suppose.
Lets hope that UNITE do not rob even more of their members of their jobs, before this dispuite is over. Somehow I think they do not give a " flying fuck " even if that did happen, because the leaders of UNITE will still have their fat salaries and their company Jags to run around in.
Seems a fair screw to me.
*1...no union holds the public to ransom..this is 3rd rate red top bollocks,any strike is held not to create suffering to the companys' customers but to try and strengthen a negotiating position...the idea that the target of this strike is the passengers is utter nonsense.
*2...They obviously disagree and voted to strike as they are entitled to...As you say 'in your opinion' unfortunately you'll find your opinion and mine aren't worth much when we don't get a ballot paper
They may not be the dirrect target, but indirectly they are effected
They are...can't deny it....BUT (big but
) that unfortunately is one of the prices we all have to pay for living in a democracy...I'm not sure I like the alternative Sex God
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im sure theres a few thousand pole/ruskies who would love to work for BA
so why not let em !! wont work don`t work always someone to fill a job place especially in this day and age :wink:
im sure theres a few thousand pole/ruskies who would love to work for BA
so why not let em !! wont work don`t work always someone to fill a job place especially in this day and age :wink:
Sex God
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They are...can't deny it....BUT (big but
Yes, agreed, I fully support the right to strike. I also support the right to protest, some thing I felt Labour were trying to stop us from doing with there consistent erosion of liberty's
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They are...can't deny it....BUT (big but
Yes, agreed, I fully support the right to strike. I also support the right to protest, some thing I felt Labour were trying to stop us from doing with there consistent erosion of liberty's
No argument from me on that
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im sure theres a few thousand pole/ruskies who would love to work for BA
so why not let em !! wont work don`t work always someone to fill a job place especially in this day and age :wink:
At what stage would you say workers should be protected - when they're living on bread and water?
Ah right I have got it now....
Unions do not call strikes to maximise the disruption to the public? Hmmmmm.
The unions try and cause the maximum disruption to the general public, in fact I would go as far as to say they could not give a fuck about the public...and actually go out of their way to fuck Joe public...period.
It has nothing to do with any red top bollox as you so aptly put it, that is left wing scaremongering rubbish.
When in doubt blame the papers....hmmmmm.
Do they still use flying pickets and shout out " scab " to anyone who does not obey their unions call for a strike? Or get death threats if they go into work?
Is there still a shop floor policy where you can only work for that company if you are a member of that union? No of course not as those days are long gone, thankfully but.....and this is a big but, they still think they can hold us all to ransom and apart from a few times, they have been held back by Thatchers policies on Trade Union reform.
After the ash cloud and the ammount of money BA have now lost, you would have thought that common sense would have prevailed but oh no, Unite still try and blackmail the employer.
I hope BA sack the lot of them and as Rob has stated, take on a few Poles who would work bloody harder no doubt, and be happy of the money.
It is a shame that Thatcher did not go the whole hog, and ban the bloody unions.
Good old Willy.
Unions do not call strikes to maximise the disruption to the public? Hmmmmm.
The unions try and cause the maximum disruption to the general public, in fact I would go as far as to say they could not give a fuck about the public...and actually go out of their way to fuck Joe public...period.
It has nothing to do with any red top bollox as you so aptly put it, that is left wing scaremongering rubbish.
When in doubt blame the papers....hmmmmm.
Do they still use flying pickets and shout out " scab " to anyone who does not obey their unions call for a strike? Or get death threats if they go into work?
Is there still a shop floor policy where you can only work for that company if you are a member of that union? No of course not as those days are long gone, thankfully but.....and this is a big but, they still think they can hold us all to ransom and apart from a few times, they have been held back by Thatchers policies on Trade Union reform.
After the ash cloud and the ammount of money BA have now lost, you would have thought that common sense would have prevailed but oh no, Unite still try and blackmail the employer.
I hope BA sack the lot of them and as Rob has stated, take on a few Poles who would work bloody harder no doubt, and be happy of the money.
It is a shame that Thatcher did not go the whole hog, and ban the bloody unions.
Good old Willy.
Sex God
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im sure theres a few thousand pole/ruskies who would love to work for BA
so why not let em !! wont work don`t work always someone to fill a job place especially in this day and age :wink:
At what stage would you say workers should be protected - when they're living on bread and water?
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i must admit during the flight to the maldives this year it was hard trying to reach the toilet for beggers dressed in stewardess uniforms in the isles
and almost impossible to sleep with the sound of a starving steward/ess going through the bins for leftover travel meals
i really don`t think this strike is about anyone starving i do believe these workers/or strikers are amongst the best paid in europe
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im sure theres a few thousand pole/ruskies who would love to work for BA
so why not let em !! wont work don`t work always someone to fill a job place especially in this day and age :wink:
At what stage would you say workers should be protected - when they're living on bread and water?
:laughabove::laughabove:
i must admit during the flight to the maldives this year it was hard trying to reach the toilet for beggers dressed in stewardess uniforms in the isles
and almost impossible to sleep with the sound of a starving steward/ess going through the bins for leftover travel meals
i really don`t think this strike is about anyone starving i do believe these workers/or strikers are /where the amongst the best paid in europe
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