Labour''s Lost It

29 Sep 2009

Just picked up on a few snippets from GB's speech at the Labour Party Conference.
A most notable is the one where GB tells the party faithful that he will introduce new powers to allow Councils to ban 24 hour drinking.
I know I've been in France a couple of years, but wasn't it the Labour Government which introduced it in 2005 confused

A the same time, will he be reversing the law introduced by Labour on smoking in (some) public places as well whilst he is at it?
If (heaven forbid) the idiot ever gets back in power, will he keep his promises anyway dunno

30 Sep 2009

Apparently 'Labour's Lost it' is the Sun's headline this morning and the paper has withdrawn its allegiance ...
I'll still be reading The Times though!!

30 Sep 2009

Quote by GnV
Just picked up on a few snippets from GB's speech at the Labour Party Conference.
A most notable is the one where GB tells the party faithful that he will introduce new powers to allow Councils to ban 24 hour drinking.
I know I've been in France a couple of years, but wasn't it the Labour Government which introduced it in 2005
A the same time, will he be reversing the law introduced by Labour on smoking in (some) public places as well whilst he is at it?
If (heaven forbid) the idiot ever gets back in power, will he keep his promises anyway

well..has to be said..i wouldn't cal it a great speech at all....but lets just say a couple of things...
The smoking ban was a european wide directive, to do with safe working enviroments. Nothing to do with this government as such.
The 24 hour drinking, is now to be at the descretion of the council. In other words if an establishment starts to gain a reputation for trouble, the hours will be reduced. Does seem, the drinking culture in the UK, does not really lend intself towards 24 hour open hours.
Fact is Labour will lose the next election.... so roll on next general election, and we can have the Tories in...lol..think its bad now..yea roll on Riots in the street( under tories) roll on three day week (Under the tories)...roll on the small manufacturing industry we have left..been closed ( face it they finished the coal industry off last time)...they will have their 4 years and then peoples memories will return.....think its bad now....just hold on to your seats and wait a while !!

30 Sep 2009

Quote by deancannock
Just picked up on a few snippets from GB's speech at the Labour Party Conference.
A most notable is the one where GB tells the party faithful that he will introduce new powers to allow Councils to ban 24 hour drinking.
I know I've been in France a couple of years, but wasn't it the Labour Government which introduced it in 2005
A the same time, will he be reversing the law introduced by Labour on smoking in (some) public places as well whilst he is at it?
If (heaven forbid) the idiot ever gets back in power, will he keep his promises anyway

well..has to be said..i wouldn't cal it a great speech at all....but lets just say a couple of things...
The smoking ban was a european wide directive, to do with safe working enviroments. Nothing to do with this government as such.
The 24 hour drinking, is now to be at the descretion of the council. In other words if an establishment states to gain a reputation for trouble, the hours will be reduced. Does seem, the drinking culture in the UK, does not really lend intself towards 24 hour open hours.
Fact is Labour will lose the next election.... so roll on next general election, and we can have the Tories in...lol..think its bad now..yea roll on Riots in the street( under tories) roll on three day week (Under the tories)...roll on the small manufacturing industry we have left..been closed ( face it they finished the coal industry off last time)...they will have their 4 years and then peoples memories will return.....think its bad now....just hold on to your seats and wait a while !!
There are some of us with even longer memories than yours Dean. We remember the Winter of Discontent when uncollected garbage filled the streets, when in certain areas it was impossible to bury the dead due to gravediggers being on strike, when picket lines were strung accross hospitals. We also remember inflation rates of 20 odd percent, the pound being devalued and Britain being bailed out by the IMF....and if we are not careful we may well be headed back to those days!
It will be good to get a chance to elect the next leader....not have the current incumbent foisted upon us.

30 Sep 2009

Quote by deancannock
Just picked up on a few snippets from GB's speech at the Labour Party Conference.
A most notable is the one where GB tells the party faithful that he will introduce new powers to allow Councils to ban 24 hour drinking.
I know I've been in France a couple of years, but wasn't it the Labour Government which introduced it in 2005
A the same time, will he be reversing the law introduced by Labour on smoking in (some) public places as well whilst he is at it?
If (heaven forbid) the idiot ever gets back in power, will he keep his promises anyway

well..has to be said..i wouldn't cal it a great speech at all....but lets just say a couple of things...
The smoking ban was a european wide directive, to do with safe working enviroments. Nothing to do with this government as such.
The 24 hour drinking, is now to be at the descretion of the council. In other words if an establishment states to gain a reputation for trouble, the hours will be reduced. Does seem, the drinking culture in the UK, does not really lend intself towards 24 hour open hours.
Fact is Labour will lose the next election.... so roll on next general election, and we can have the Tories in...lol..think its bad now..yea roll on Riots in the street( under tories) roll on three day week (Under the tories)...roll on the small manufacturing industry we have left..been closed ( face it they finished the coal industry off last time)...they will have their 4 years and then peoples memories will return.....think its bad now....just hold on to your seats and wait a while !!
Yep, I don't think any government, new or old, under the current system will make any positive difference, other than serve the needs of its paymasters.
As it says in another thread, it is time for an entirely new approach to the whole political system, but unfortunately the laws the lawmakers have brought in, prevent just that. The greatest act of self-preservation and ultimately, the end of true democracy.
The sooner we abolish this outdated party system and elect MP's who serve their constituents and can vote with impunity, without fear of having the party whip withdrawn, and who attempt to do the job they are voted in to do, rather than simply feather their nest, the better.
And the Scum backing the Tories is about as much a surprise as the Daily Mail doing so.

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Resonance
Just picked up on a few snippets from GB's speech at the Labour Party Conference.
A most notable is the one where GB tells the party faithful that he will introduce new powers to allow Councils to ban 24 hour drinking.
I know I've been in France a couple of years, but wasn't it the Labour Government which introduced it in 2005
A the same time, will he be reversing the law introduced by Labour on smoking in (some) public places as well whilst he is at it?
If (heaven forbid) the idiot ever gets back in power, will he keep his promises anyway

well..has to be said..i wouldn't cal it a great speech at all....but lets just say a couple of things...
The smoking ban was a european wide directive, to do with safe working enviroments. Nothing to do with this government as such.
The 24 hour drinking, is now to be at the descretion of the council. In other words if an establishment states to gain a reputation for trouble, the hours will be reduced. Does seem, the drinking culture in the UK, does not really lend intself towards 24 hour open hours.
Fact is Labour will lose the next election.... so roll on next general election, and we can have the Tories in...lol..think its bad now..yea roll on Riots in the street( under tories) roll on three day week (Under the tories)...roll on the small manufacturing industry we have left..been closed ( face it they finished the coal industry off last time)...they will have their 4 years and then peoples memories will return.....think its bad now....just hold on to your seats and wait a while !!
Yep, I don't think any government, new or old, under the current system will make any positive difference, other than serve the needs of its paymasters.
As it says in another thread, it is time for an entirely new approach to the whole political system, but unfortunately the laws the lawmakers have brought in, prevent just that. The greatest act of self-preservation and ultimately, the end of true democracy.
The sooner we abolish this outdated party system and elect MP's who serve their constituents and can vote with impunity, without fear of having the party whip withdrawn, and who attempt to do the job they are voted in to do, rather than simply feather their nest, the better.
And the Scum backing the Tories is about as much a surprise as the Daily Mail doing so.
How so? It has supported Labour at the last 2 elections.

30 Sep 2009

I believe it only did so because, for both the previous two elections, it knew, as we all did, the Tories were pretty much unelectable. It was an act of self-preservation for its readership to back Labour, rather than trying to flog the "dead horse" conservatism of the past. They jumped on the 'Tony Blair' bandwagon. Rather than any ringing endorsement of New Labour it was simply reflecting the general feeling of the country (and its readership) at the time. Labour and the Sun been uncomfortable bedfellows since day one. Partly because the Sun has been vociferously Conservative pretty much as long as I can recall, apart from the last two elections, and I don't think that a seeming betrayal of its history sat well with many of its readership or its owners.
Now Browns New Labour are pretty much unelectable, then it's time to jump ship back to the Tories once again. Which I am sure they are delighted about. Especially since slagging the current government off is a highly popular past time for all at the moment (and rightly so). It's just history repeating itself really Max I think.
I do agree with what you say about having the chance to elect a leader, even if that isn't the case in reality with how the political system works. It does seem Brown was somewhat foisted upon us, due to an old boys agreement, and I can understand's peoples malcontent with that and his decisive indecisiveness and his questionable decisions made.
I just don't think any party will do any better. Labour, Tories or any other for that matter. It isn't the parties at fault as such for me, it's the system. I don't see any magic line of thinking that will improve this country markedly due to ones political beliefs. There is too much self-interest and too much influence wielded by those with power (ie money) for there to be any real improvements made. We seem to have endless probes, committees, investigations, reports, quangos to sort things out and hardly anything ever seems to get done. Or if something is implemented, it is done so in such a god awful cack-handed, ill-thought out and contrived manner that it is doomed to expensive failure from the start. You can cite examples from the time of Tory and Labour governments for that (Poll tax? National Curriculum? ID Cards?, NHS Computer system?, Welfare Reform? and so on)
I really do hope I am wrong though, I'd love the Conservatives (or indeed ANYBODY) to get in and make this country as great as it could be. I just don't see, given their previous record and the current predicament and their current policies, political thinking and ideologies, how this will happen. That goes for any party really, it isn't a blue fault, it's the same no matter what colour your rosette is.
But I'm in a grumpy mood today Max, so maybe tomorrow all will be better. Fingers crossed!

30 Sep 2009

Im convinced we will get a Tory govt come election time. Nothing will change, same arses slightly different flavour I think.

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Resonance
I believe it only did so because, for both the previous two elections, it knew, as we all did, the Tories were pretty much unelectable. It was an act of self-preservation for its readership to back Labour, rather than trying to flog the "dead horse" conservatism of the past. They jumped on the 'Tony Blair' bandwagon. Rather than any ringing endorsement of New Labour it was simply reflecting the general feeling of the country (and its readership) at the time. Labour and the Sun been uncomfortable bedfellows since day one. Partly because the Sun has been vociferously Conservative pretty much as long as I can recall, apart from the last two elections, and I don't think that a seeming betrayal of its history sat well with many of its readership or its owners.
Now Browns New Labour are pretty much unelectable, then it's time to jump ship back to the Tories once again. Which I am sure they are delighted about. Especially since slagging the current government off is a highly popular past time for all at the moment (and rightly so). It's just history repeating itself really Max I think.
I do agree with what you say about having the chance to elect a leader, even if that isn't the case in reality with how the political system works. It does seem Brown was somewhat foisted upon us, due to an old boys agreement, and I can understand's peoples malcontent with that and his decisive indecisiveness and his questionable decisions made.
I just don't think any party will do any better. Labour, Tories or any other for that matter. It isn't the parties at fault as such for me, it's the system. I don't see any magic line of thinking that will improve this country markedly due to ones political beliefs. There is too much self-interest and too much influence wielded by those with power (ie money) for there to be any real improvements made. We seem to have endless probes, committees, investigations, reports, quangos to sort things out and hardly anything ever seems to get done. Or if something is implemented, it is done so in such a god awful cack-handed, ill-thought out and contrived manner that it is doomed to expensive failure from the start. You can cite examples from the time of Tory and Labour governments for that (Poll tax? National Curriculum? ID Cards?, NHS Computer system?, Welfare Reform? and so on)
I really do hope I am wrong though, I'd love the Conservatives (or indeed ANYBODY) to get in and make this country as great as it could be. I just don't see, given their previous record and the current predicament and their current policies, political thinking and ideologies, how this will happen. That goes for any party really, it isn't a blue fault, it's the same no matter what colour your rosette is.
But I'm in a grumpy mood today Max, so maybe tomorrow all will be better. Fingers crossed!

I pretty much agree with all you say Res.....and no need to apologise for being grumpy, think I've been there for years smile

.....and unfortunately tomorrow will be no different from today.

30 Sep 2009

*waits for Kenty*

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Dirtygirly
*waits for Kenty*

He's in mourning as his favourite read will be blue topped shortly and he doesn't like that colour :lol2:

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Steve
*waits for Kenty*

He's in mourning as his favourite read will be blue topped shortly and he doesn't like that colour :lol2:
Hello Stevie boy. lol

I have always voted Tory EXCEPT when I changed as I thought Tony ( I am an arsehole )Blair would make a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I never voted for Labour after that time, and will not ever again.
Whatever that toss pot Kinnock says, the Sun does have a massive following, and it will help to decide the next Government. Whether that is right or not I do not know, but that will be a fact come next year.
Cameron has been on Gaunties show many times, and he does come across as a not so bad geezer to be honest. Who knows what he will be like when in power, but it cannot be any worse than this bunch of useless money grabbing tossers. :lol:
I have said before I believe this Government will suffer it's biggest ever defeat in it's long history, I will wait to be proved right ( again) wink

They....in my opinion, have destroyed many things this country was great for. Mass immigration will prove to be the biggest issue next year, along with the greedy bankers and the rest of their ilk.
The human rights act is going to be seriously looked into under the Tories, so some nasty lowlife cannot use it to try and get his sentence reduced.
He will give us a referendum on Europe, which Labour promised but shit out on, as they know the views on the Brits will send it packing, into the gutter where it belongs. We need to get back to running OUR country, and not let some toss pots from Europe dictate to us, over our laws and many other things.
Is that ok for you Witchy? :wink:

30 Sep 2009

Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Resonance
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

My fingers didn't even move! :shock:

30 Sep 2009

There's nothing wrong with being European... it's the EU that's the problem wink

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Resonance
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

My fingers didn't even move! :shock:

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Max777
We remember the Winter of Discontent when uncollected garbage filled the streets,

Some of us are even old enough to remember when it was called rubbish.
The "Labour" party lost it when they repealed clause 4,since then the common man in this country has been disenfranchised,the only group any of the major three parties represents is the monied middle-class....the reason? they are the only group that vote in any numbers.
The reason the sun is backing the tories is that Murdoch (pere et fils) are rabidly anti BBC they want a cut of your license fee and the tories are likely to give it them...they have no interest in democracy or your welfare they and their cronies serve only one master....have a guess

30 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
He will give us a referendum on Europe, which Labour promised but shit out on, as they know the views on the Brits will send it packing, into the gutter where it belongs. We need to get back to running OUR country, and not let some toss pots from Europe dictate to us, over our laws and many other things.
Is that ok for you Witchy?

No government will risk a referendum on europe..because as you say the British public would "send it packing" the only referendum you might get will be on the adoption of an E.U. constitution (under some guise or other)both the tories and labour will try and wait until this referendum is rendered meaningless by the votes of other E.U. populations...All the major parties are well aware of the fact that to leave europe would be economic suicide.
B.T.W. the vote for "new" labour leaves your voting record clean ...you've still always voted tory..they were just using a different name at the time.

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Resonance
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Your right Res.....Sorry Witchy.x
I must be losing it, it's all this ranting. lol

:lol:

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
B.T.W. the vote for "new" labour leaves your voting record clean ...you've still always voted tory..they were just using a different name at the time.

LOL, quality rolleyes

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Resonance
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Who am I?! confused

30 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Your right Res.....Sorry Witchy.x
I must be losing it, it's all this ranting. lol

:lol:
It's DG you should apologise to...
being mistaken for me has driven lesser folk to surgery. confused

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Dirtygirly
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Who am I?! confused

Gorgeous Hotty Scotty Totty :twisted:
Ahem redface

30 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Your right Res.....Sorry Witchy.x
I must be losing it, it's all this ranting. lol

:lol:
It's DG you should apologise to...
being mistaken for me has driven lesser folk to surgery. confused

30 Sep 2009

As far as I can see whosoever gets in it's going to be different arsehole same old shit.
...and after Gordon ...what a load of shit it's going to be

1 Oct 2009

I love Britain I love England but make no bones about it - give every adult over the age of 30 and under 70 biggrin

10 million quid and sell us to the U.S, if they'd have us.
Long live The union(jack)of states Long Live Britain old Blihty 50th state :bounce:
Can't take away our history and what makes me ......me.
You think i'm kidding? I'd do it quicker than it'd take to say "Lost wtf you on"

1 Oct 2009

Quote by Witchy
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Your right Res.....Sorry Witchy.x
I must be losing it, it's all this ranting. lol

:lol:
It's DG you should apologise to...
being mistaken for me has driven lesser folk to surgery. confused

Stop keep repeating yourself Witchy.... wink

1 Oct 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Poor DG will be having an identity crisis, confused with Nola in one thread last week, now she is called Witchy...

Your right Res.....Sorry Witchy.x
I must be losing it, it's all this ranting. lol

:lol:
It's DG you should apologise to...
being mistaken for me has driven lesser folk to surgery. confused

Stop keep repeating yourself Witchy.... wink

I'm afraid it's the dreaded SH Echo Kenty, it's when someone posts the same thing time and time again...
;-)

1 Oct 2009

This thread made me giggle! :giggle:

1 Oct 2009

Ere Res.... Why you using Cherrys avatar?
You in love wiv her or summink? wink