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Looking after each others kids is against the law !!!!

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Have to agree Flower, the world has gone mad!
I am surprised that you are shocked flower, didn’t you know none of us have common sense to know what is right for our children. It there is a new policy that is coming in, that if you offer to do the school run, give another’s child a lift to a sports game, you are going to have to register. And if you are not doing it through a club, but as a favour you have to pay to be registered too.
What has happened to community spirit helping each other out etc. You can't as the government will not let you. So all be warned you will soon be breaking the law having another child in your car, without being registered.
I know who’s going to suffer, the people that this stupid government are trying to protect, the child.
Surely the children will realised the only people they can trust will be the government. As nobody else cares about them, do they.
now now then....lets not take everything to extremes. Law there states..anyone caring for a child for REWARD..ie money..payment must be registered. So if you just agree to pick up neighbours child then it is not relevant. If you giving them a £5 for doing it...then it is !! In the end I agree with it...Anyone that is recieving money for looking after children should be registered. If I am paying a child minder, I want to know that if they done anything wrong...no matter how long ago it was. remember this is exactly how these people get to do their evil things. They worm there way into people confidence and seem like the most freindly and helpful people around. If it means just one child doesn't get molested or messed with then I'm happy for there to be safeguards.
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now now then....lets not take everything to extremes. Law there states..anyone caring for a child for REWARD..ie money..payment must be registered. So if you just agree to pick up neighbours child then it is not relevant. If you giving them a £5 for doing it...then it is !! In the end I agree with it...Anyone that is recieving money for looking after children should be registered. If I am paying a child minder, I want to know that if they done anything wrong...no matter how long ago it was. remember this is exactly how these people get to do their evil things. They worm there way into people confidence and seem like the most freindly and helpful people around. If it means just one child doesn't get molested or messed with then I'm happy for there to be safeguards.

So Dean if someone offered to take your child to a football game they were due to play in and say you offered a couple of pound towards petrol, would you expect this person to be registered? AS chipping in towards petrol is a gift you are offering.
Also I think you might find the propsal was you didn't need to be paid but running children backwards and forwards you have to be registered
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now now then....lets not take everything to extremes. Law there states..anyone caring for a child for REWARD..ie money..payment must be registered. So if you just agree to pick up neighbours child then it is not relevant. If you giving them a £5 for doing it...then it is !! In the end I agree with it...Anyone that is recieving money for looking after children should be registered. If I am paying a child minder, I want to know that if they done anything wrong...no matter how long ago it was. remember this is exactly how these people get to do their evil things. They worm there way into people confidence and seem like the most freindly and helpful people around. If it means just one child doesn't get molested or messed with then I'm happy for there to be safeguards.

This case came to light as 2 part time police officers agreed to look after each other children when one was working. They did not get paided for it, but both of them gained from this arrangement as they did not have to pay someone else to look after their children.
Abosufuckinlutely ridiculous.
Nanny nanny state.
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now now then....lets not take everything to extremes. Law there states..anyone caring for a child for REWARD..ie money..payment must be registered. So if you just agree to pick up neighbours child then it is not relevant. If you giving them a £5 for doing it...then it is !! In the end I agree with it...Anyone that is recieving money for looking after children should be registered. If I am paying a child minder, I want to know that if they done anything wrong...no matter how long ago it was. remember this is exactly how these people get to do their evil things. They worm there way into people confidence and seem like the most freindly and helpful people around. If it means just one child doesn't get molested or messed with then I'm happy for there to be safeguards.

Dean what I was talking about is another regulation and registation we all know about CRB checks, but there is also now another ISA links below
The thing is there is checks that are in place now take the CRB checks but now there is another called ISA take a look at the link below.


This link tells you about the Controlled and regulated activities who has to apply
thanks for links minxy......and very usefull. It states that people EMPLOYED by you to care for your children need to be checked. In second link is a bit more open until the end when it states the people it is aimed at is home tutors/teachers/sports coaches etc.
Going back to the orginal piece in the paper it was the people themselves that have asked if this allpies to thems.....and it is asks what is meant by the word reward. This in 99% of peoples views would be payment. There again..I would say if someone at work agreed to job share and offered to look after your kids ... just how much do you actually know about them ? Would a check do any harm ? How would you feel if it then came to light that 10 years ago, before you knew them, they were convicted and put on the child offenders register !!
Once again..I say..if this saves ONE child...then I for one..will give it my vote . just remmber that child may well be yours !! I'ade rather be safe than sorry !!
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So Dean if someone offered to take your child to a football game they were due to play in and say you offered a couple of pound towards petrol, would you expect this person to be registered? AS chipping in towards petrol is a gift you are offering.
Also I think you might find the propsal was you didn't need to be paid but running children backwards and forwards you have to be registered

you see this is where people are taking to extremes and misunderstanding....the links you sent me explain this. Petrol money is not payment. However if you hire a mini-bus and pay a driver to take the team to a given place..then yes that driver would need to be checked. Once again...something I would agree with
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Sorry dean I believe you to be wrong, I am secretary of a sports club and we have been told, all volunteers have to be registered, even if they are mothers or fathers of other children and are just offering to transport other peoples children to a game. There has been uproar as it would seem 1 in 4 of the adult population will have to register.
Also while we are on the theme of registration, did you also know by law if you are holding a raffle offering a bottle of wine as a prize, you have to apply to the local government for a “Temporary events notice” cost each application is Around -to depending what local authority you come under. So all schools and charities have to apply for this even if you are trying to raise money for a good cause.
All these new registrations are a way of earning an easy buck.
guess minxy it can be read in the way people want it to....but i quote below from the link you posted...it says needs to be registered if doing a regulated acitivity with children.
"What is regulated activity?
Regulated activity is any activity which involves contact with children or vulnerable adults. This could be paid or voluntary work.
Such activities include:
Any activity of a specified nature which involves contact with children or vulnerable adults frequently, intensively and/or overnight.
Any activity allowing contact with children or vulnerable adults that is in a specified place frequently or intensively.
Fostering and childcare.
Any activity that involves people in certain defined positions of responsibility"
I would not consider giving next doors neighbours lad a lift to the footie to be intense or frequent contact. If you hired a mini bus and offered to drive the team every week...I think it would. I do think it needs further clarification. But still personally think it is well intentioned. People are so quick to say how the hell did he/she have contact with kids, knowing his background, when something goes wrong !!
This is exactly the kind of thing when you have a leftie namby pamby, tree hugging bunch of idiots in power.
How many times have we all heard crazy things that SOME think is perfectly acceptable?
I am all for tighter restrictions to catch and imprison child molesters, which are nowhere near tight enough. Castration is the way to go, not to penalise people in a small minded leftie nutty way. Castration will make em think twice maybe.
People like Polanski ( mentioned in another thread ), should be arrested, charged and convicted to a long prison term.
Don't be fooled by the payment bollocks, as I remember the same nutters saying all this about smoking. Ya remember it will be voluntary to start, then it turned into certain places and then as I knew they wanted all along...a blanket ban.
This is no different. If people put up little resistance they will start going after people who fail to mention the fiver they were given towards petrol.
I do not trust these people, I do not like these people, and this is what you get when you become all hip hop and allow the lefties free range to bring in all sorts of mad legislation....you have been warned.
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This is exactly the kind of thing when you have a leftie namby pamby, tree hugging bunch of idiots in power.
How many times have we all heard crazy things that SOME think is perfectly acceptable?
I am all for tighter restrictions to catch and imprison child molesters, which are nowhere near tight enough. Castration is the way to go, not to penalise people in a small minded leftie nutty way. Castration will make em think twice maybe.
People like Polanski ( mentioned in another thread ), should be arrested, charged and convicted to a long prison term.
Don't be fooled by the payment bollocks, as I remember the same nutters saying all this about smoking. Ya remember it will be voluntary to start, then it turned into certain places and then as I knew they wanted all along...a blanket ban.
This is no different. If people put up little resistance they will start going after people who fail to mention the fiver they were given towards petrol.
I do not trust these people, I do not like these people, and this is what you get when you become all hip hop and allow the lefties free range to bring in all sorts of mad legislation....you have been warned.

and I wonder who will be the first one complaining when some evil git molests a kid..whilst taking football lessons ? Wonder who will be the first up in arms saying where was the council checks......someone should have known ?
If protecting kids is leftie namby pamby tree hugging...then I for one am proud to throw my arms round nearest Oak
Picture the scene for the 1970's
Me and my sis head roun d to our mates house in the summer hols. We play in their garden for the whole morinh - her mum brings us a plate of sandwiches and some squash out for lunch. We continue playing and one of us falls and grazes her knee. The Mum washes the graze, slaps a plaster on it and sends us back out to play where we stay until 4. Sis and I head back down the street to ours. Lovely day had all round.
Picture the scene c 2009
Two sisters was to go round to their friend's house. their Mum syas "hang on I'll need to check".
Phone call ensures "Mary, have you been CRB checked? Have you got aFood Hygeine certificate? Are you a certified First Aider or better still a First Reposnder? has your house been certified as risk free? What about the garde, certified free of chemical danger, animal droppings and trip hazzards? Do you have a risk analysis I can take a look at? OK email it to me and I'll drive the girls round (10 yards) once I've read it."
An hour later - "Sorry girls, you can't go, Mary's 1st Aid certificazte doesn't cover using plasters."
And that's before we get into Mary's little girl wanting to come round the next day - cos we can't have that can we - payment by reciprocation - the 8th Deadly Sin.
<<<storms off in a fury at the blind STUPIDITY of these maggotty minded jobsworths who think they rule the f***ing world. Let them try running a bloody family befor ethey start running the country and see how life REALLY works.
guess minxy it can be read in the way people want it to....but i quote below from the link you posted...it says needs to be registered if doing a regulated acitivity with children.
"What is regulated activity?
Regulated activity is any activity which involves contact with children or vulnerable adults. This could be paid or voluntary work.
Such activities include:
Any activity of a specified nature which involves contact with children or vulnerable adults frequently, intensively and/or overnight.
Any activity allowing contact with children or vulnerable adults that is in a specified place frequently or intensively.
Fostering and childcare.
Any activity that involves people in certain defined positions of responsibility"
I would not consider giving next doors neighbours lad a lift to the footie to be intense or frequent contact.
Dean you would not consider this to be the case, but we as a club have been told it is going to be the case.
That is what I am saying the reading of the document I sent makes things open to others interpretation.

If you hired a mini bus and offered to drive the team every week...I think it would. I do think it needs further clarification. But still personally think it is well intentioned. People are so quick to say how the hell did he/she have contact with kids, knowing his background, when something goes wrong !!
Normally you would find at a club that has such luxuries at a team mini bus the driving would possibly be the manager, in which case he would be covered by CBR checks
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This is exactly the kind of thing when you have a leftie namby pamby, tree hugging bunch of idiots in power.
How many times have we all heard crazy things that SOME think is perfectly acceptable?
I am all for tighter restrictions to catch and imprison child molesters, which are nowhere near tight enough. Castration is the way to go, not to penalise people in a small minded leftie nutty way. Castration will make em think twice maybe.
People like Polanski ( mentioned in another thread ), should be arrested, charged and convicted to a long prison term.
Don't be fooled by the payment bollocks, as I remember the same nutters saying all this about smoking. Ya remember it will be voluntary to start, then it turned into certain places and then as I knew they wanted all along...a blanket ban.
This is no different. If people put up little resistance they will start going after people who fail to mention the fiver they were given towards petrol.
I do not trust these people, I do not like these people, and this is what you get when you become all hip hop and allow the lefties free range to bring in all sorts of mad legislation....you have been warned.

and I wonder who will be the first one complaining when some evil git molests a kid..whilst taking football lessons ? Wonder who will be the first up in arms saying where was the council checks......someone should have known ?
If protecting kids is leftie namby pamby tree hugging...then I for one am proud to throw my arms round nearest Oak
I think you will find Dean, anybody running football teams where there is children contact in this way has to be CRB checked. So that would be the parents responsibility to make sure checks are up to date. Or the club that have such volunteers in place are responsible to make sure such checks are done. The ISA is another body where we are told parents, as generally it is them that offer a lift to take other children to matches etc will be expected to be ISA registered.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.
here.
I for one am in not way against CRB checks I have mine in place. This is just another body that wants to keep tracks too.
Next we will need to register with a body to clock in and out of our house.
Hmm.
The regulations only cover situations where there is "reward."
So if my youngest was to spend vast quantities of time at her mates, but I was never to offer to reciprocate, that would be fine. The parent/parents wouldn't need to be checked.
However, if, for example her friends parents were to do the school run, and then have them at their place playing one week...and we did the same the next, checks would be required.
It all hinges on that word "reward." Rather than have the grey area where unofficial child minders can be paid in anything other than legitimate, through the books money- the word "reward" is used as a catch all to prevent people circumventing the system.
This is, sadly, the inevitable side effect.
It has nothing to do with child protection, and everything to do with revenue.
Surely if you are not fit to care for another person's child for 2 hours - you certainly sholdn't be looking after your own for their whole childhood?
As Witchey says: Money - 1, Child protection - 0.
Yet more PC bollocks.
the law stating that you need to be registered with ofsted when looking after someone elses child for more than 2 hours and for reward is not new at all
it was in use over 23 years ago when i first worked in childcare, i was then a registered childminder and they were checked by social services then
unless you were a family member you had to be registered with social services, now its ofsted
reward doesnt necessarily mean money and as in the case of the 2 police oficers the reward was that they looked after the others child in return
as far as i can rember it wasnt labour in government then but it was the tories
the reason for this law is to PROTECT THE CHILDREN
its not a money making scheme or big brother its simply to PROTECT THE CHILDREN
i still work in child care and we all have to have crb checks and register with ofsted and have regular inspections and its all for the same reason, child protection which is now often called "safe guarding children"
send them up the chimey's good and early like the good ole days and we simply wont have such a problem
lp
But friends have looked after each others kids for hundreds of years. The vast, vast majority of these have been no less competent than the kids own parents and (in teh case of older carers) more so.
I know kids have been harmed - but the numbers are tiny compared with the actual 'shared care' figures. Not that that, for a single second, makes harming kids less than a hanging offence. But I seriously doubt if legislation like this will have any effect whatsoever on the small number of creeps who enjoy hurting children.
What it will do is make it impossible for a significant number of mothers to return to work - piling more work-capable people into the benefits culture and indoctinating more children into the idea that the state keeps them.
i saw this on gmtv yesterday morning & tbh i think it's absolutely ridiculous, to think that if you look after a friends child you have to be a registered childminder, as previously quoted this has gone on for yrs.
However on a different note i have just completed a ccld (childcare learning & development) course, as part of that course i had to obtain a placement in a school, in my case working with children with special needs, the most vunerable of society & i was appalled that no checks were done. No students or voluntary workers had a crb check or any other sort of police check etc.
My 'work' there involved taking these children to the toilet, undressing them for p.e & swimming albeit supervised, but still not right by any stretch of the imagination, I was frequently left alone with these children in the classroom ok may have only been for minutes but thats all it takes.
Seemed to me that if you was there & not getting paid for it then it didn't matter who you were..literally anyone could just ring up say they wanted to do voluntary work, have a 5 minute 'interveiw' n hey presto you were in
So I am all for these checks to be done, within the correct setting ...tis just a shame common sense cannot prevail
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However on a different note i have just completed a ccld (childcare learning & development) course, as part of that course i had to obtain a placement in a school, in my case working with children with special needs, the most vunerable of society & i was appalled that no checks were done. No students or voluntary workers had a crb check or any other sort of police check etc.
Seemed to me that if you was there & not getting paid for it then it didn't matter who you were..literally anyone could just ring up say they wanted to do voluntary work, have a 5 minute 'interveiw' n hey presto you were in

Yes - and when I worked with mentally handicapped young adults, I was allowed to work there for 6 weeks before my crb was received back to the college.
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However on a different note i have just completed a ccld (childcare learning & development) course, as part of that course i had to obtain a placement in a school, in my case working with children with special needs, the most vunerable of society & i was appalled that no checks were done. No students or voluntary workers had a crb check or any other sort of police check etc.
Seemed to me that if you was there & not getting paid for it then it didn't matter who you were..literally anyone could just ring up say they wanted to do voluntary work, have a 5 minute 'interveiw' n hey presto you were in

Yes - and when I worked with mentally handicapped young adults, I was allowed to work there for 6 weeks before my crb was received back to the college.
Having to be very vague here for obvious reasons, but I've recently come into contact with a situation where a young person was abused by someone contracted in by their school for private lessons. The police, and his regulatory body have an armful of past allegations against him, but because he'd never been prosecuted, he was allowed to carry on.
I presume that this person has NOW been convicted?
I know you cannot say too much, but like Huntley an allegation is one thing, and a conviction is something completely were ALLEGATIONS against him but nothing ever proved, as far as I remember.
Do we go down the road where even if you have been accused of something, that it goes down on your file for all to see? That surely can never be a right thing to do?
A conviction is a criminal record and obviously that is there for all to see.
This is never an easy subject.
You have a PM.
I am fully aware of the difficulties in the fact that he hadn't actually been convicted. However, when you have someone in a position of trust with children, who has had allegations levied at them from many different directions over several decades- it stinks that nothing could be/was done.
working in an environment that involves children we have a large number of volunteers that help with coaching the children but each and everyone of the volunteers are CRB checked and because they are volunteers it is a free service ... if it was for a paid job then the CRB checks have to be paid for
i feel that if it remained free and was better advertised that volunteers CRB checks are free then more checks would be done by schools .. but also it can take weeks for the results of the checks to come through and if you are only volunteering for a short period of time then the check might not come through in time as for each volunteer venue must have their own check done ... you cannt use a CRB check from 1 job to validate another
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working in an environment that involves children we have a large number of volunteers that help with coaching the children but each and everyone of the volunteers are CRB checked and because they are volunteers it is a free service ... if it was for a paid job then the CRB checks have to be paid for
i feel that if it remained free and was better advertised that volunteers CRB checks are free then more checks would be done by schools .. but also it can take weeks for the results of the checks to come through and if you are only volunteering for a short period of time then the check might not come through in time as for each volunteer venue must have their own check done ... you cannt use a CRB check from 1 job to validate another

This is the bit I can never understand why not, there should be a way to flag someone that sinse their CRB check was first carried out, has now have it revoked. A way to check on the spot.