M6 toll road

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
The energy in a gallon of petrol is equivalent to a human being working for 3 months. Does that make it any more understandable?
We use a gallon of petrol to do the work a human being does in 8 hours. The problem is exacerbated because as well as transporting a human being we are transporting a ton of car.
Therefore we are wasting 89 days worth of work.

And you think 3 months of your life is worth LESS than a gallon of petrol? All you are doing is convincing me that the work I can obtain from that petrol far outweighs the cost.

1 Sep 2010

unlike oil which is finite and will run out the ability to walk will probably not.
At the moment we needlessly throw away the finite resource. At the rate of 89/90 down the drain when we drive a car.

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
unlike oil which is finite and will run out the ability to walk will probably not.
At the moment we needlessly throw away the finite resource. At the rate of 89/90 down the drain when we drive a car.

I agree 100% where the car journey is unecessary - or when we (me included) drive to the local chinese just so it's still warm whem we get home. But, since there is no viable alternative, driving to work is the only way I will get there.
Alternatives to oil are being developed, public transport could be made available. But at the moment, a petrol/deisel powered car is truly the only transport I have available to me. Unless I sell my house and move to the crappy end of Derby and walk to work. But since houses aren't selling - even that isn't available to me.

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
The energy in a gallon of petrol is equivalent to a human being working for 3 months. Does that make it any more understandable?
We use a gallon of petrol to do the work a human being does in 8 hours. The problem is exacerbated because as well as transporting a human being we are transporting a ton of car.
Therefore we are wasting 89 days worth of work.

What about those that do not work?
I have read this a dozen times, and blow me If I can make sense of any of it.

1 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I have read this a dozen times, and blow me If I can make sense of any of it.

That makes two of us.

1 Sep 2010

Makes no sense to me people saying bad things about the car, and then go out and drive their own.
Only those who have no car at all can judge what a car can do, otherwise it is a tad hypocritical. No matter how much you drive it.

1 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Makes no sense to me people saying bad things about the car, and then go out and drive their own.
Only those who have no car at all can judge what a car can do, otherwise it is a tad hypocritical. No matter how much you drive it.

???

1 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Only those who have no car at all can judge what a car can do

I disagree.
If I drive a small diesel giving me 55mpg, and you drive past me in a Hummer doing 10mpg, then I can judge what that car can do.
If I drive a small diesel, and am observing motorway speed limits, and you come hooning past me doing 100mph +, then I can judge what that car can do.

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
The energy in a gallon of petrol is equivalent to a human being working for 3 months. Does that make it any more understandable?
We use a gallon of petrol to do the work a human being does in 8 hours. The problem is exacerbated because as well as transporting a human being we are transporting a ton of car.
Therefore we are wasting 89 days worth of work.

So, the energy used to propel the car 30 miles in one hour is the same as the energy exerted by a man in pushing that car the same distance in 90 days.
Think I agree with Blue, seems like 89 days and 23 hours saved to me.

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Makes no sense to me people saying bad things about the car, and then go out and drive their own.
Only those who have no car at all can judge what a car can do, otherwise it is a tad hypocritical. No matter how much you drive it.

???
Well Essex understood it.............

2 Sep 2010

Quote by essex34m

I have read this a dozen times, and blow me If I can make sense of any of it.

That makes two of us.
can i second and carry the motion blink

2 Sep 2010

As the old union masters used to say......" motion carried " lol

2 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
As the old union masters used to say......" motion carried "

well
that's sorted then :giggle::giggle:

2 Sep 2010

On a point of order Mr Chairman!

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob

I have read this a dozen times, and blow me If I can make sense of any of it.

That makes two of us.
can i second and carry the motion blink

That's coz it doesn't make any sense. The fact a man can walk 8 hours in a day is totally irrelevant. Ben is introducing a second value "walk" and confusing it with the value "work". They are not the same and therefore can not be compared. Makes you wonder about the engineers this country produced!
It may well be true that it takes more energy to propel a car 30 miles than it does take a man to walk that distance but it's the very fact that we can harness the energy in petrol to make the the petrol engine much more efficient than man, which in turn has made it the success and LABOUR SAVING device it is
.

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Max777
That's coz it doesn't make any sense. The fact a man can walk 8 hours in a day is totally irrelevant. Ben is introducing a second value "walk" and confusing it with the value "work". They are not the same and therefore can not be compared. Makes you wonder about the engineers this country produced!
It may well be true that it takes more energy to propel a car 30 miles than it does take a man to walk that distance but it's the very fact that we can harness the energy in petrol to make the the petrol engine much more efficient than man, which in turn has made it the success and LABOUR SAVING device it is
.

Unless it's a horse wink

2 Sep 2010

Or even two horses. lol

Strange analogy to compare anything with............strange.

2 Sep 2010

Quote by GnV

That's coz it doesn't make any sense. The fact a man can walk 8 hours in a day is totally irrelevant. Ben is introducing a second value "walk" and confusing it with the value "work". They are not the same and therefore can not be compared. Makes you wonder about the engineers this country produced!
It may well be true that it takes more energy to propel a car 30 miles than it does take a man to walk that distance but it's the very fact that we can harness the energy in petrol to make the the petrol engine much more efficient than man, which in turn has made it the success and LABOUR SAVING device it is
.

Unless it's a horse wink

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Aye, :wink: if we were talking horse power! :wink:

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Max777

That's coz it doesn't make any sense. The fact a man can walk 8 hours in a day is totally irrelevant. Ben is introducing a second value "walk" and confusing it with the value "work". They are not the same and therefore can not be compared. Makes you wonder about the engineers this country produced!
It may well be true that it takes more energy to propel a car 30 miles than it does take a man to walk that distance but it's the very fact that we can harness the energy in petrol to make the the petrol engine much more efficient than man, which in turn has made it the success and LABOUR SAVING device it is
.

Unless it's a horse wink

Aye, :wink: if we were talking horse power! :wink:
maybe one of these then - a centaurus... half man, half horse from Greek mythology

2 Sep 2010

I think this illustrates perfectly why it is useless to try to discuss any subject in here. The closed minds with the loudest voices will always drown anybody else out.

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I think this illustrates perfectly why it is useless to try to discuss any subject in here. The closed minds with the loudest voices will always drown anybody else out.

Well has not " drowned " you out. wink

You love it.

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I think this illustrates perfectly why it is useless to try to discuss any subject in here. The closed minds with the loudest voices will always drown anybody else out.

Who said that? :giggle:

2 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Makes no sense to me people saying bad things about the car, and then go out and drive their own.
Only those who have no car at all can judge what a car can do, otherwise it is a tad hypocritical. No matter how much you drive it.

???
Well Essex understood it.............
You have to be from a mining village to understand it wink

:giggle:

2 Sep 2010

:laughabove::laughabove:
Your certainly learning how this game is played Blue. wink

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I think this illustrates perfectly why it is useless to try to discuss any subject in here. The closed minds with the loudest voices will always drown anybody else out.

maybe some just don't have the same sense of humour others do dunno

2 Sep 2010

I do apologise but you see English is my first language...such garbled syntax is difficult for those of us who aren't emigres

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
I think this illustrates perfectly why it is useless to try to discuss any subject in here. The closed minds with the loudest voices will always drown anybody else out.

maybe some just don't have the same sense of humour others do dunno

Let's not be silly Rob if humour was either the point or present in most of the comments aimed at Ben he would I feel sure take them in the spirit they were meant...we all know that some people here are intent on shouting down any opposition with absolutely no intent to debate in an adult manner.....sometimes even a childish manner would be refreshing

2 Sep 2010

Well I'll say it again then, i really did mean the comment i made about joining the AA in good humour. I make daft jokes sometimes. I'm still sorry and rather surprised it caused offence.
Lighten up folks. Its just a forum.
wink

2 Sep 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I think this illustrates perfectly why it is useless to try to discuss any subject in here. The closed minds with the loudest voices will always drown anybody else out.

maybe some just don't have the same sense of humour others do dunno

Let's not be silly Rob if humour was either the point or present in most of the comments aimed at Ben he would I feel sure take them in the spirit they were meant...we all know that some people here are intent on shouting down any opposition with absolutely no intent to debate in an adult manner.....sometimes even a childish manner would be refreshing
i did see what i thought was a couple of humorous remarks quite often humour is mistaken for sarcasm on here
but too often it seems you have to be on one side or the other i proved this when i got two people to argue there own point a while back
ive had some adult debates with you and others on here all enjoyable
but all to often ben makes rod for his own back and you know it by the fact he refuses to answer some challenges
treat as you find is something i believe in

2 Sep 2010

Quote by vampanya
If your car breaks down 30 miles from home it would take you 3 months to push it home.

Join the AA? lol

And it is funny :lol:

What would you prefer us to have?