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Marriage tax breaks
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
I didn't say it means nothing I simply refuted the the assertion that marriage leads to a relationship lasting longer or is "better for the children". Which is bollocks and stems from the need for some to impose their own values on others.
I do not see they are imposing any values, no one has to get married.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
no one has to get married.
they do if they need a visa to stay in the uk
Got a Barclaycard, suppose that's the same as says VISA on it
:lol:
Oh but they are. Number one they are stating taht marriage is good and offering dodgy facts to supprot the view. Then they plan to pay people cash money as a reward for being "good". Whole thing stinks.
I do not see they are imposing any values, no one has to get married.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I didn't say it means nothing I simply refuted the the assertion that marriage leads to a relationship lasting longer or is "better for the children". Which is bollocks and stems from the need for some to impose their own values on others.
I do not see they are imposing any values, no one has to get married.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
Its all just Bullshit for votes. Makes the Torys look good to the traditionalists who support marriage and maybe secures a few votes. Gives just under 15 quid a month to married couples ok but its not exactly whoopedoo is it. In the mean time it costs the treasury a shit load. Will this be means tested? Or are we going to again start giving 15 quid to everyone? Actually just stopped typing and went to read up on it
Blue its quite probable that many married couples stay together is total unhappiness due to the extra ties of marrige or the extra cost and complication of divorce.
dont kick a gift horse in the mouth.
Tell you what Star I'll quite happily kick mine if it means all the horses including those belonging to the earners of 44k bolt off too. This is bull/horse shit :lol: I dont want mine they can stick it even though I might do ok out of it. The principal of this to me is wrong and I dont like it.
For Blue. Have seen countless loveless marriages but funnily enough nowhere near as many loveless habbitating
but speaks volumes to me. Marriage is comitment and for those of us like Myself and Mrs Tweeky it works through good and bad times but for others its just the mill stone that stops freedom. Have seen that scenario countless times. How many times do we read in the fourm married but wife does not love me so here for a bit extra? and how many times do we read living with this bird ... :lol: BTW enjoy the debate but now is Christmas and I have other things to do so see you all in a week to ten days.
Bye
Quote by northwest-cpl
It seems that the average cost of a UK wedding has dropped to a mere £15,500 this year if this site is to be believed. At £150 pa it'll only take 100 years to make marriage financially worthwhile - a great incentive, thanks Dave.
:shock:
I ain't fecking paying you
Dave_Notts
Quote by tweeky
Tell you what Star I'll quite happily kick mine if it means all the horses including those belonging to the earners of 44k bolt off too. This is bull/horse shit
you should put yourself up for being a politician :lol:
i bet vince cable said he did not want his heating allowance to, but still took it. if it does ever happen then give yours away to charity. bet you wont though :notes:
Quote by tweeky
How many times do we read in the fourm married but wife does not love me so here for a bit extra? and how many times do we read living with this bird ... :lol:
that is called " my wife does not understand me ". or just another porky in trying to get a shag. surely your not that naive are you?
maybe his wife does not love him as he is forver going on swinging sites looking for sex outside of his marriage, and lets be fair what wife would be over the moon with her husband doing that behind her back? :jagsatwork:Quote by tweeky
BTW enjoy the debate but now is Christmas and I have other things to do so see you all in a week to ten days.
well maybe next year you will have an extra 150 pounds to spend at christmas.
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
For Blue. Have seen countless loveless marriages but funnily enough nowhere near as many loveless habbitating
BTW enjoy the debate but now is Christmas and I have other things to do so see you all in a week to ten days.
Bye
Those who are cohabiting and are not happy simply walk away, very often leaving the other partner and children high and dry.
Much harder to do that once married, and so it should be, if one has made a commitment to partner and possibly children then one should do their bloody utmost to fulfill that commitment.
As for people living in a loveless marriage, this has happened as far back in history as you care to look, this tax break will do nothing to help or make it worse, see no relevance in this what so ever. :dunno:
Merry Christmas and happy new year
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Oh but they are. Number one they are stating taht marriage is good and offering dodgy facts to supprot the view. Then they plan to pay people cash money as a reward for being "good". Whole thing stinks.
I didn't say it means nothing I simply refuted the the assertion that marriage leads to a relationship lasting longer or is "better for the children". Which is bollocks and stems from the need for some to impose their own values on others.
I do not see they are imposing any values, no one has to get married.
Can you provide some evidence that these facts are dodgy, or is this just your view?
Yes the report is just pseudo research. What they do is decide the agenda, in this case "marriage good, not marriage bad" then pick numbers out that justify the view. If you can throw in some snappy media food in the form of " Big number means outrage" so much the better. If you want some more examples google "Bad Science".
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Yes the report is just pseudo research. What they do is decide the agenda, in this case "marriage good, not marriage bad" then pick numbers out that justify the view. If you can throw in some snappy media food in the form of " Big number means outrage" so much the better. If you want some more examples google "Bad Science".
I would have thought the Office for National Statistics would have been a Farley safe bet
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Yep you take your numbers from a reputable source you just interpret them really badly.
Maybe some of the brains here in interpret the numbers in this link?
More cohabiting couples separate without marrying, and fewer marry, than two decades ago. Cohabitation remains a relatively short term type of relationship. At the tenth anniversary of moving in together, half of cohabiting couples have married each other, just under four in ten have separated, and slightly over one in ten are still living together as a couple, on the most recent figures.
There has been a decline in recent years in the proportion of marriages ending in separation or divorce by the fifth anniversary. We suggest as a hypothesis that the growth of cohabitation may have played a role in this incipient decline.
Do you notice any mention of children?
Maybe some of the brains here in interpret the numbers in this link?
More cohabiting couples separate without marrying, and fewer marry, than two decades ago. Cohabitation remains a relatively short term type of relationship. At the tenth anniversary of moving in together, half of cohabiting couples have married each other, just under four in ten have separated, and slightly over one in ten are still living together as a couple, on the most recent figures.
There has been a decline in recent years in the proportion of marriages ending in separation or divorce by the fifth anniversary. We suggest as a hypothesis that the growth of cohabitation may have played a role in this incipient decline.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Yep you take your numbers from a reputable source you just interpret them really badly.
Maybe some of the brains here in interpret the numbers in this link?
More cohabiting couples separate without marrying, and fewer marry, than two decades ago. Cohabitation remains a relatively short term type of relationship. At the tenth anniversary of moving in together, half of cohabiting couples have married each other, just under four in ten have separated, and slightly over one in ten are still living together as a couple, on the most recent figures.
There has been a decline in recent years in the proportion of marriages ending in separation or divorce by the fifth anniversary. We suggest as a hypothesis that the growth of cohabitation may have played a role in this incipient decline.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Yep you take your numbers from a reputable source you just interpret them really badly.
Maybe some of the brains here in interpret the numbers in this link?
More cohabiting couples separate without marrying, and fewer marry, than two decades ago. Cohabitation remains a relatively short term type of relationship. At the tenth anniversary of moving in together, half of cohabiting couples have married each other, just under four in ten have separated, and slightly over one in ten are still living together as a couple, on the most recent figures.
There has been a decline in recent years in the proportion of marriages ending in separation or divorce by the fifth anniversary. We suggest as a hypothesis that the growth of cohabitation may have played a role in this incipient decline.
:thumbup: perfect
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Do you notice any mention of children?
Yep you take your numbers from a reputable source you just interpret them really badly.
Maybe some of the brains here in interpret the numbers in this link?
More cohabiting couples separate without marrying, and fewer marry, than two decades ago. Cohabitation remains a relatively short term type of relationship. At the tenth anniversary of moving in together, half of cohabiting couples have married each other, just under four in ten have separated, and slightly over one in ten are still living together as a couple, on the most recent figures.
There has been a decline in recent years in the proportion of marriages ending in separation or divorce by the fifth anniversary. We suggest as a hypothesis that the growth of cohabitation may have played a role in this incipient decline.
I am not sure I mentioned children, and as far as I am aware, you do not have to have any to receive this tax relief
Cameron did
"David Cameron said in his party conference in October: "Marriage is not just a piece of paper. It pulls couples together through the ebb and flow of life.
"It gives children stability. And it says powerful things about what we should value. So yes, we will recognise marriage in the tax system."
You chose to quote him, and others.
"David Cameron said in his party conference in October: "Marriage is not just a piece of paper. It pulls couples together through the ebb and flow of life.
"It gives children stability. And it says powerful things about what we should value. So yes, we will recognise marriage in the tax system."
You chose to quote him, and others.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Cameron did
"David Cameron said in his party conference in October: "Marriage is not just a piece of paper. It pulls couples together through the ebb and flow of life.
"It gives children stability. And it says powerful things about what we should value. So yes, we will recognise marriage in the tax system."
You chose to quote him, and others.
And, according to the above, he is correct
If a married couple have children the parents are statistically more likely to stay together
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
Those who are cohabiting and are not happy simply walk away, very often leaving the other partner and children high and dry.
Much harder to do that once married, and so it should be, if one has made a commitment to partner and possibly children then one should do their bloody utmost to fulfill that commitment.
As for people living in a loveless marriage, this has happened as far back in history as you care to look, this tax break will do nothing to help or make it worse, see no relevance in this what so ever.
Merry Christmas and happy new year
It is no harder to walk away from a marriage than any other relationship
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Those who are cohabiting and are not happy simply walk away, very often leaving the other partner and children high and dry.
Much harder to do that once married, and so it should be, if one has made a commitment to partner and possibly children then one should do their bloody utmost to fulfill that commitment.
As for people living in a loveless marriage, this has happened as far back in history as you care to look, this tax break will do nothing to help or make it worse, see no relevance in this what so ever.
Merry Christmas and happy new year
It is no harder to walk away from a marriage than any other relationship
Excellent, another hurdle sorted then
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
If a married couple have children the parents are statistically more likely to stay together
I think the opposite is true.
And I don't
Sex God
i think what Cameron and every other politician is looking for is a return to old style moral values when bring up children was based on couples or both parents at least pulling together
it reminds me of what Blair outlined in the late nineties early millennium regarding absent fathers
it reminds me of what Blair outlined in the late nineties early millennium regarding absent fathers
Quote by Lizaleanrob
i think what Cameron and every other politician is looking for is a return to old style moral values when bring up children was based on couples or both parents at least pulling together
yes rob that is how i see things.
i still beleeve and i have not been proved wrong so far, that peeple are more likely to try and save a marriage than a relationship.
vows and the giving of rings still is significant today as it has always vows that i can think of in a relationship.
surely walking away from a marriage is harder than walking away from a relationship? well i think so and certain stats i have read seem to back this up as well. :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
i think what Cameron and every other politician is looking for is a return to old style moral values when bring up children was based on couples or both parents at least pulling together
yes rob that is how i see things.
i still beleeve and i have not been proved wrong so far, that peeple are more likely to try and save a marriage than a relationship.
vows and the giving of rings still is significant today as it has always vows that i can think of in a relationship.
surely walking away from a marriage is harder than walking away from a relationship? well i think so and certain stats i have read seem to back this up as well. :thumbup:
No ... ENDING a marriage is more complicated than ending a relationship,but leaving the marital home (as I think you and Blue mean) is no more complicated or difficult than leaving one in which you co-habit
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
i think what Cameron and every other politician is looking for is a return to old style moral values when bring up children was based on couples or both parents at least pulling together
yes rob that is how i see things.
i still beleeve and i have not been proved wrong so far, that peeple are more likely to try and save a marriage than a relationship.
vows and the giving of rings still is significant today as it has always vows that i can think of in a relationship.
surely walking away from a marriage is harder than walking away from a relationship? well i think so and certain stats i have read seem to back this up as well. :thumbup:
No ... ENDING a marriage is more complicated than ending a relationship,but leaving the marital home (as I think you and Blue mean) is no more complicated or difficult than leaving one in which you co-habit
have you seen the price of a divorce staggs :eeek:
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
i think what Cameron and every other politician is looking for is a return to old style moral values when bring up children was based on couples or both parents at least pulling together
yes rob that is how i see things.
i still beleeve and i have not been proved wrong so far, that peeple are more likely to try and save a marriage than a relationship.
vows and the giving of rings still is significant today as it has always vows that i can think of in a relationship.
surely walking away from a marriage is harder than walking away from a relationship? well i think so and certain stats i have read seem to back this up as well. :thumbup:
No ... ENDING a marriage is more complicated than ending a relationship,but leaving the marital home (as I think you and Blue mean) is no more complicated or difficult than leaving one in which you co-habit
But the complications could make the decision more difficult
In a relationship one has less complications
