Is it just me,or does anyone else get frustrated at the drivers who seemingly totaly oblivious to the empty inside lane,driving normaly at 50 - 70 miles an hour,causing traffic to block up behind them. They do my flippen head in.
I was talking to my cabby one day. He said he always uses the middle lane because the inside lane is so rutted by heavy lorries. Never really thought about it that way before. But I think it's just laziness and lack of concentration/awareness. Dangerous.
Quote by DeeCee Use the outside lane, over take them, then move back into the middle lane, if it is safe to do so.
what is the ettiquete/highway code instruction tho? shouldnt drivers be as far left as possible? I thought it was? (snippet from the Highway Code) <quote>Lane discipline 264 You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past.<unquote> Tell that to most drivers on the M4. Middle lane hoggers wind me up a treat!
Quote by Rampantmale_1 Is it just me,or does anyone else get frustrated at the drivers who seemingly totaly oblivious to the empty inside lane,driving normaly at 50 - 70 miles an hour,causing traffic to block up behind them. They do my flippen head in.
I was out today on my bike. I lost count of the drivers not doing 70mph in the OUTSIDE lane. If they won't move over then you have no chance of getting the " middle lane hoggers " to shift. We have had this kind of topic done before, and it is a fact that those kind of people DO cause accidents. When they are stopped they should be agiven a copy of the highway code highlighted in red. They are probably the same drivers who also do not know what lane to be in at a roundabout either.
My local dual carriageway is the A2 away from Dover, and unless Operation Stack is in place, the left hand lane is full of hgv's and the right lane full of cars not passing them I know my highway code and tend to follow the rules but get very frustrated with people hogging the 'wrong' lane and unable to use their indicators correctly, especially at roundabouts. Don't even get me started on foglights :shock:
Quote by flower411 Put ya goggles on and read what I have written. I clearly stated NOT doing 70mph. No point writing things if people do not read it properly.
Whoops !!! Ya said something sensible twice in one day !!!! How the fuck should I be prepared for that ?? :giggle: Take double the dose of your tablets perhaps?
A lot of the centre lane hoggers are of an age that called the 3 lanes on a motorway slow, fast and overtaking. Problem is they think 50 is fast and they don't want to overtake, so that is how you get this situation. They have never had an accident, but have caused dozens. I am of that generation, but looking at the points on my licence have learnt to go with the times. I am not proud of my points, just a lot more careful now. xx Nobby
Quote by Nobby69 A lot of the centre lane hoggers are of an age that called the 3 lanes on a motorway slow, fast and overtaking. Problem is they think 50 is fast and they don't want to overtake, so that is how you get this situation. They have never had an accident, but have caused dozens. I am of that generation, but looking at the points on my licence have learnt to go with the times. I am not proud of my points, just a lot more careful now. xx Nobby
Ooh I'm quite proud of my points, but I have none on my licence :smile2:
No photos on your profile to confirm your view but, then, why should I argue? I'm sure your points are splendid! It's strange that we all complain about the same things - driving in the wrong lane, driving too close and driving too fast but nobody ever admits to it!? I'm not suggesting anybody in this discussion ever does any of these things but who does? Do they all have small willies and need to exert their masculinity with two tonnes of steel penis?
It is very frustrating when people hog the middle lane because they have no idea just how much this clogs up traffic behind them. Unfortunately what is worse is the ever increasing number of undertakers seeking to prove a point by undertaking all the backed up traffic in the outside lane as well as the middle lane hoggers. Their attitude seems to be invariably that the mid lane hoggers need teaching a lesson !! Kent will probably agree that the general standard of car driving has fallen dramatically over the years as car drivers become less and less spatially aware of what is going on around them. Cyclists and motorcyclists are acutely aware of their surroundings and the bigger picture whereas car drivers seem to be much less so these days.
Twenty years ago when I commuted down the M6 /M1 on a weekly basis I used to call this Northampton Syndrome as that is where I first observed it starting to happen on my journey South. The majority of drivers take far too many risks, are far less competent than they believe themselves to be and have skill levels far lower than I would prefer for somebody in charge of a two ton killing machine. I firmly believe all motorists should be required to train on a motorcycle to improve their general road skills and observation and to instil some semblance of vulnerability. I also believe that each and every traffic offence that involves a moving vehicle should lead to an automatic ban of at least 3 months. (Basically everything except parking offences) Cars kill far too many people.
Quote by Too Hot It is very frustrating when people hog the middle lane because they have no idea just how much this clogs up traffic behind them. Unfortunately what is worse is the ever increasing number of undertakers seeking to prove a point by undertaking all the backed up traffic in the outside lane as well as the middle lane hoggers. Their attitude seems to be invariably that the mid lane hoggers need teaching a lesson !! Kent will probably agree that the general standard of car driving has fallen dramatically over the years as car drivers become less and less spatially aware of what is going on around them. Cyclists and motorcyclists are acutely aware of their surroundings and the bigger picture whereas car drivers seem to be much less so these days.
Without a shadow of a doubt. There are numerous reasons for this, and the main one is sat nav systems. People do not look where they are going now and rely far to much on these systems. Another major problem with car drivers is their inability to understand the law, with regards to mobile phone usage whilst driving. It carrys almost the same penalties as speeding, yet people do it all the time. As a long time motorcyclist I have to deal on a daily basis that kind of driver plus......the ones that hate bikers anyway. In Europe most people learn to ride a scooter before they learn to drive a car. They are much more aware of bikers because of that. People nowadays for whatever reason, have no patience at all, will never accept when they have done something seriously wrong, and God forbid if you happen to honk your horn at anyone. That is like a red rag to a bull, even if they have cut you up. I can almost stomach the middle lane hoggers, but what I cannot stand is the outside lane hoggers. If you want to do 60mph on a motorway then fine but.....do it in the appropriate lane!!! Oh yes and ps.....IF there are any people reading this who still continue to use your mobile whilst driving, I hope they throw the book at you when you are caught!
Perhaps riding a bicycle, scooter or moped on the road should be part of the driving syllabus - if not the test itself. This is not a general criticism of all car drivers but there is an entirely different mindset on two wheels and those observational/awareness skills do transfer to four wheels.
Quote by Too Hot Perhaps riding a bicycle, scooter or moped on the road should be part of the driving syllabus - if not the test itself. This is not a general criticism of all car drivers but there is an entirely different mindset on two wheels and those observational/awareness skills do transfer to four wheels.
Correct. I cycle on the road and there are more fuckwits than people who do give you enough space. My folks get more space when they're out on their tandem with the dog on the back than they do when the dog is at home. What does that tell you? The dog's life is more valuable than my parents? Much as I love my dog... for my parents to have to use him as a safety measure is absolutely ridiculous. Riding a bicycle on the road should absolutely be part of the driving test. Most people aren't aware of just how scary it is when a car passes too close never mind when it's an artic lorry!! Rant over!
I think Whips that under old laws horses have right of way over cars at all times. I think that is still the case, and dates back to when there were very few cars. Maybe that has something to do with the fact you have no comeback if a horse damages your car. I think riding a bike on the roads is bloody dangerous but....to be on a horse on todays roads........no way.
I disagree, it is the people operating the vehicles which kill, the vehicles will only do what the operator makes it do.
Quote by Dirtygirly Riding a bicycle on the road should absolutely be part of the driving test.
I agree, and cyclists should also pay road tax as well, the tax should be renamed road users tax, and any vehicle, regardless of its configuration or how it is powered, should contribute.
I'm struck by the number of bikers on this site! I'm a biker too and have been for far too long. Kentbiker and the other motorcyclists who have expressed a view on this matter are entirely correct. So much common sense being spoken/written. Yes, SatNavs are a problem but so is the total lack of a police presence. They tend to leave 'enforcement' to cameras. Cameras don't detect mobile 'phone use, drink-drivers and lane-hoggers but, of course, they do generate revenue. So, instead of getting a quiet word from a human being in police uniform, we now get a £60 fine and 3 points. This brings the whole system into disrepute. You now have to have had an accident before the police get involved. That's too late to offer any advice to an errant motorist. Oh, and the wife rides horses (good for the pelvic floor muscles, you know!) and agrees with you horsey-type people too!
Riding a bicycle on the road should absolutely be part of the driving test.
I agree, and cyclists should also pay road tax as well, the tax should be renamed road users tax, and any vehicle, regardless of its configuration or how it is powered, should contribute. I do pay road tax, as do my parents.
Quote by Sarah Use the outside lane, over take them, then move back into the middle lane, if it is safe to do so.
Trouble is thats not always possible......Cant use the outside lane when towing so your then stuck behind the middle lane hogger untill they have a momentary lapse of concentration and use the inside lane...
Quote by Steve Use the outside lane, over take them, then move back into the middle lane, if it is safe to do so.
Trouble is thats not always possible......Cant use the outside lane when towing so your then stuck behind the middle lane hogger untill they have a momentary lapse of concentration and use the inside lane... With the exception of creating space for a vehicle pulling out of something like a slip road, or services, why would a vehicle restricted to 50mph even venture into the middle lane?
Quote by essex34m Use the outside lane, over take them, then move back into the middle lane, if it is safe to do so.
Trouble is thats not always possible......Cant use the outside lane when towing so your then stuck behind the middle lane hogger untill they have a momentary lapse of concentration and use the inside lane... With the exception of creating space for a vehicle pulling out of something like a slip road, or services, why would a vehicle restricted to 50mph even venture into the middle lane? Depends what you're towing and on what sort of road really. For example, there's nothing in the highway code that says a car towing a caravan can't be in the middle lane to overtake just like any other vehicle provided it's not exceeding the legal speed limit of 60mph.
Quote by essex34m My apologies for the typo of 50mph as opposed to 60.
Well in answer to your original question... I'd imagine the reason they'd find to be in the middle lane would be to overtake something like a goods vehicle which was abiding their speed limit of 50mph.
Riding a bicycle on the road should absolutely be part of the driving test.
I agree, and cyclists should also pay road tax as well, the tax should be renamed road users tax, and any vehicle, regardless of its configuration or how it is powered, should contribute. I do pay road tax, as do my parents. But that wouldnt be the case of cyclists who do not have reason to tax a vehicle, every single cyclist should be forced to have instruction, and have to pay a tax, like the majority of vehicle users are required to do.
Riding a bicycle on the road should absolutely be part of the driving test.
I agree, and cyclists should also pay road tax as well, the tax should be renamed road users tax, and any vehicle, regardless of its configuration or how it is powered, should contribute. I do pay road tax, as do my parents. But that wouldnt be the case of cyclists who do not have reason to tax a vehicle, every single cyclist should be forced to have instruction, and have to pay a tax, like the majority of vehicle users are required to do. In the same way car drivers should be forced to give cyclists (and horses/riders) an ample amount of room when they pass them in order to do so safely. If that was the case my mum wouldn't have pins in her arm after being knocked off her bike and breaking it in seven places, not to mention the other two times my parents have been hit by cars whilst cycling. Road tax or no road tax, it won't change the fact that the majority of car/lorry/vehicle users do not give ample space.
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