Eugenics in this Mothers case would be a bloody good idea.
Or are you possibly saying this Mother should go on and have more kids, it would be ok?
It almost seems at times that there is some sort of sympathy for parents like this....it is how it seems to me at times.
To me every child matters not matter who they are and what they have done. The age of the boys who did these atrocities is extremely worrying. Their lives are over before it has even begun. Maybe it was the day they were born.
I do believe that rehabilitation has to be an option and I also believe that parents, families and communities should be bought to task on incidents that involve children under the age of 13. Without a sense of community we all reap the society we sew.
Our value systems have to be looked at or we all suffer and it will continue generation after generation.
I have no answers to this one. We cannot keep just locking people up as that just isnt the answer. We have to look at prevention and traffic light systems that stop the abuse and the abuser getting to that stage.
the boys are now 11 and 12. Neither is 14.
Ummm I got nothing more to add as my views have been put across quite well by the 'do gooders' the 'tree huggers' and the 'idiots' that think that rehab can and does work... oh, and the same people that believe that no-one is born bad.
Isn't it just catholics that think that people are born bad ? or, was that just my family ?
I'm avoiding quoting - it's getting a bit long on here.
I am all for giving violent offenders treatment, counselling and whatever else is needed to prevent them coming out and offending again. Not for their sake - but for mine and my family's. Since so many offenders are let out far too early - they should be taught not to offend any more.
But, these are not a couple of drug addicta, desparate for a fix and mugging someone to get it. They tortured the poor lads. TORTURED for HOURS. Not a quick bash, it dragged on and on. And when they got bored and tired they wandered off. Leaving one of the boys blinded and unable to move begging his friend to leave him to die - HE WAS 9 FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!! And he was waiting to DIE! I remember when my son was 9 and upset when he fell out with his friend. This horror breaks my heart.
No these scum do not deserve to breathe the same air as my child or yours. Maybe they were damaged by their upbringing, buy non-existant parenting. I don't care - they must never, ever be allowed to practice being human on the rest of the population. They might be rehaibilitated, eventually. Would any of us want them living next door to our kids?
Their basic human rights should be catered for (since apparently we can't bring back capital punishment) - food, shelter, healthcare and education, and especially psychiatry to attempt to fix them. But as to letting them out - it would be an impossible risk.
Their 'parents'? I despair. Sterilise certainly. But what about their influence on other youngsters? Do they have nieces or nephews they are infecting with their appaling behaviour.
We're not talking about people who go to the supermarket in dirty shell suits here - it seems they (mother only?) destroyed their sons. What punishment/prevention is appropriate for that?
The answer for the future? I don't know - but there must be room for discussion about requiring every prospective parent (ma and pa) to have to pass at least a basic competency test before they can go ahead. I'm not talking exams or even GCSE's. But basic stuff. Stuff like not feeding your kids illegal drugs, looking after them, teaching them right from wrong. And if a parent doesn't know right from wrong what the hell are they doing bringing up kids.
I think what I said was their lives are over.
I believe in prevention not after the event locking away for 70/80 years. Build more prisons and we will fill them.
I Look at how people live and can see how this can happen.
I think the film "Lord of the Flies" says a bit about society and I also think war has a way of changung sane people to do things they wouldnt have done ordinairily.
If those kids who were the attackers (and I have no time for them by the way in what they have done) were born into a life of deprevation then that also has to be considered as horrific and I do think the parents should be prosecuted.
Don't some people think all human beings are born with aggression? And that nurture overcomes these base impulses?
I don't think there is any point focussing on the parents as having any responsibility. They were probably let down by the system as well.
Its no good looking to this wonderful 'system' as the cure for all life's evils. It just can't do it. Its selective where it points its energies and its funding. it cannot cope with all the demands that exist.
It seems like these parents and the family developed under the auspices of the social service system, and what they have become is the failure of the 'system'. They lost their self respect a long time ago and simply let themselves be led into all that the social service wanted to do with them. So in that sense they let themselves down and then the system let them down. the system does not have the clout to take on what it thinks it can do.
Mad people commit more crimes too. And that's genetic 60% of the time. They should be on the list.
The last person to try this started with the mad ones, half a million of them I believe.
Tee hee GnV.
I knew you would spot the subtle flaw in my argument.
I only discovered the genetic variant existed when a vegetarian friend was diagnosed with CJD recently.
I don't really see what all the fuss is - it's not as though they committed the most horrible of all crimes, stealing money from the government. All they did was torture and mutilate two human beings, and as we all know from the pointless waste of lives in Afghanistan - humans are worth jack-shit in the UK.
No point giving up the discussion cos ya can't be bothered.
I asked you a genuine question and you gave me an answer...if that is the truth then fair play to you.
I think if most people found out they have a child molester or a child who has did this to other kids, and they had kids themselves I think most people would be terrified of that fact.
But of course there are always exceptions to every rule.
) there are those who torture, and murder who come from very good homes with good upbringing. so if we are all born good, then surely there must be a set age at which things go wrong? if evil is all to do with nurture because we are all born good, then surely the ones reported coming from a good background with no bad outside influence must be lies? how else did they suddenly become so bad?
