My local council

6 Aug 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
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Yes that is correct Davey but....that is something that as a moderator you would have to keep private.
I do not think the site owners would be very happy if that information was disclosed to anyone outside of the moderator team.

Interesting point this. I did look at it a couple of months ago when we had someone using another account to cause problems and whilst I agree it may be bad practice to reveal who a second account belongs to, as it's not personal data, I can't find anything in the rules to prevent us from doing so. It's completely down to the mops discretion.
I suppose you could argue 'naming & shaming', but unless you've done something to be ashamed of I don't really see the relevance in this particular scenario.
Funny ol' things rules, aren't they? ;)
On other sites the use of socks is discouraged,and they are often outed to discourage others.It is a cowardly way to post opinions.
Not necassarily.
Some people disagree with others because of who they are more than because of the points they may make. It's interesting, and i've seen it happen on here a few times now, whereby someone can make a point, be strongly disagreed with, but later on when someone else makes the same point, the disagreer does a complete u-turn and agrees.
Personal feelings about other posters seem to colour peoples responses almost as much as the actual subject does.
So posting annonymously would be quite interesting I think.
Of course there are still a few that would still be dead easy to spot
:giggle:

6 Aug 2010

Quote by vampanya
Of course there are still a few that would still be dead easy to spot

Not always. hump

6 Aug 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
.............It is a cowardly way to post opinions.

There's many reasons for 'sock' accounts, perhaps someone has something very sensitive they want to unload and feel they can't under their normal account. dunno

6 Aug 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
i do think its the case that some people enter a forum only to post against someone they clearly dislike,they see a name and instantly oppose anything that person that sort of behaviour is obvious to does make things dull when its all that someone does tho.

NO never on this forum.....surely?
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6 Aug 2010

Debate is good, until it turns personal.
Mass debate is even better lol

6 Aug 2010

Some people?

6 Aug 2010

Quote by vampanya
Some people?

:thumbup::thumbup:

6 Aug 2010

Quote by vampanya
Some people?

Yes I love it when people make remarks but mention no names.....some people???

6 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777

I will
Dave_Notts

Yes that is correct Davey
I usually am Kenny :smug:
Dave_Notts

6 Aug 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Some people?

Yes I love it when people make remarks but mention no names.....some people???
i would have thought naming names was unnesscarily are aware of who does this,why descend into personal attacks?
Not personal attacking...it is called hiding behind curtains.
We all know who those people are, but naming them takes so much more bottle.....don't you think?

7 Aug 2010

for me i`m more inclined to treat as i find as in my non cyber life, i also have no allegiances wink

7 Aug 2010

Just so any worried parties are clear on this...
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/join/
Where it clearly states... " We guarantee your membership is 100% confidential."
The contents regarding the information held is clear with regard to privacy.
Also............on another part of the site it states " All personal details provided to Swinging Heaven are held in a secure database and are completely confidential ".

7 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Just so any worried parties are clear on this...
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/join/
Where it clearly states... " We guarantee your membership is 100% confidential."
The contents regarding the information held is clear with regard to privacy.
Also............on another part of the site it states " All personal details provided to Swinging Heaven are held in a secure database and are completely confidential ".

I would hope so, and I am sure all SH staff take that matter with very seriously :jagsatwork:

7 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Just so any worried parties are clear on this...
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/join/
Where it clearly states... " We guarantee your membership is 100% confidential."
The contents regarding the information held is clear with regard to privacy.
Also............on another part of the site it states " All personal details provided to Swinging Heaven are held in a secure database and are completely confidential ".

What are you on about Kenny?
Of course it is confidential and very few members would be worried as there has been no concerns raised to Admin as far as I am aware. If you have any concerns then address them to admin, the owners of the site.
However, some people use a second account to post in the same thread to give themselves support for a debate or to take sly digs at other members. This is deceitful and not in the spirit of the site principles.
Swingers, in general, talk about openess and honesty to be a virtue of the community. To hold a second account and deceive those that are being addressed by pretending not to know the other account or giving support to that account without declaring that they are the same person or riduculing another member in support of their other account is underhand, in my personal opinion they are just liars and disgusting.
This second account is in the form of a username e.g Dave_Notts and Notts_Dave (if this was my second account). This is not personal detail. A members email details are personal and wouldn't ever be disclosed (except, I guess, in a criminal investigation with the correct warrants). So disclosing another member uses another username is not giving out personal details.
No user has been named as using another account or what that username is. It does not mean that the site never will, as a username is not personal details. It will depend on each complaint on a case by case basis.
PMs are down to individuals. It is up to them. If they disclose them then that is their choice. What is disclosed is another matter. Personal details should never be disclosed i.e. real names, telephone numbers, addresses, etc. However, if a member states in a PM to another member that the answer is A, then posts in public that the answer is B then by sending the PM in the first instance the original sender is trying to censor that individual by claiming it was "Private". In my view, if you do not want A to be revealed then do not post in public or send the PM in the first place. The PM system is a vehicle to send information to individual members. It is not a system to tie someone down in a debate.
Dave_Notts

7 Aug 2010

It was an observation Davey....pure and simple.
It just needed some sort of clarification, which you have written, and very well indeedy too if you don't mind me saying. wink

7 Aug 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
Just so any worried parties are clear on this...
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/join/
Where it clearly states... " We guarantee your membership is 100% confidential."
The contents regarding the information held is clear with regard to privacy.
Also............on another part of the site it states " All personal details provided to Swinging Heaven are held in a secure database and are completely confidential ".

What are you on about Kenny?
Of course it is confidential and very few members would be worried as there has been no concerns raised to Admin as far as I am aware. If you have any concerns then address them to admin, the owners of the site.
However, some people use a second account to post in the same thread to give themselves support for a debate or to take sly digs at other members. This is deceitful and not in the spirit of the site principles.
Swingers, in general, talk about openess and honesty to be a virtue of the community. To hold a second account and deceive those that are being addressed by pretending not to know the other account or giving support to that account without declaring that they are the same person or riduculing another member in support of their other account is underhand, in my personal opinion they are just liars and disgusting.
This second account is in the form of a username e.g Dave_Notts and Notts_Dave (if this was my second account). This is not personal detail. A members email details are personal and wouldn't ever be disclosed (except, I guess, in a criminal investigation with the correct warrants). So disclosing another member uses another username is not giving out personal details.
No user has been named as using another account or what that username is. It does not mean that the site never will, as a username is not personal details. It will depend on each complaint on a case by case basis.
PMs are down to individuals. It is up to them. If they disclose them then that is their choice. What is disclosed is another matter. Personal details should never be disclosed i.e. real names, telephone numbers, addresses, etc. However, if a member states in a PM to another member that the answer is A, then posts in public that the answer is B then by sending the PM in the first instance the original sender is trying to censor that individual by claiming it was "Private". In my view, if you do not want A to be revealed then do not post in public or send the PM in the first place. The PM system is a vehicle to send information to individual members. It is not a system to tie someone down in a debate.
Dave_Notts
You, as Mods may see more than one account from the same IP address/computer/email address, that is then, a very big leap you make to say that account belongs to the same person, I would say presumption in fact

7 Aug 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
You, as Mods may see more than one account from the same IP address/computer/email address, that is then, a very big leap you make to say that account belongs to the same person, I would say presumption in fact

Of course we do. And of course we don't presume anything. IP addresses are funny things.
Thing is, we have a lot of stuff to do - checking out multiple accounts is way down the list. Checking that people aren't using the site maliciously or deceptively however, is an important thing to ensure that other site users are protected. There are many things we take into consideration whilst doing that.
Many people have two accounts. Not always for nefarious purposes either. wink

7 Aug 2010

Quote by noladreams

You, as Mods may see more than one account from the same IP address/computer/email address, that is then, a very big leap you make to say that account belongs to the same person, I would say presumption in fact

Of course we do. And of course we don't presume anything. IP addresses are funny things.
Thing is, we have a lot of stuff to do - checking out multiple accounts is way down the list. Checking that people aren't using the site maliciously or deceptively however, is an important thing to ensure that other site users are protected. There are many things we take into consideration whilst doing that.
Many people have two accounts. Not always for nefarious purposes either. wink

Yes I agree, thanks for clarification
*In edit* My meaning was that it may be difficult to be sure that two accounts, from the same place belong to the very same person

8 Aug 2010

Is this really what local councils find to be of so much importance fgs?
In many parts of the country and where I live this is common practice not to empty any bin where the lid is not fully shut. Is that really such a level of importance that councils who fail to empty those bins, are ok to leave them for another two weeks stinking out the whole area of where people live?
My next door neighbour who is obviously a bit of a thicko, left his glass and plastics out two weeks ago, and they did not empty his bins, reason? He put all of them into one bin. Now I know the difference between glass and plastics and that you do not mix the two together when you have two separate bins, but not to empty a smelly bin that has sat there for two weeks, and then another two weeks if they do not empty it, is typical of the jumped up twats who operate and run our councils.
I bet they empty the local resident travelers sites bins though. wink

8 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
My next door neighbour who is obviously a bit of a thicko, left his glass and plastics out two weeks ago, and they did not empty his bins, reason? He put all of them into one bin. Now I know the difference between glass and plastics and that you do not mix the two together when you have two separate bins, but not to empty a smelly bin that has sat there for two weeks, and then another two weeks if they do not empty it, is typical of the jumped up twats who operate and run our councils.

As a tax payer who agrees with cutting cost and saving my tax bill, that some of these "rules" are placed to save money. If everyone abides with them, then my bill will come down. I can, so can they. So the people that don't are the twits for costing me money.
So you agree with a higher tax bill and would like a free for all? Perhaps it isn't those that operate or run the council who are being daft then.
This quote from a member of the public at the end of the link says it nicely

Pathetic is all I can say. Rules are there for everyone so follow them or get rid of your rubbish yourself. Why should the council may allowances if you cause a scene?...I can't believe what a fuss the public make about rubbish - get a life and think about something more important!

Dave_Notts

8 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I bet they empty the local resident travelers sites bins though.

Official travellers sites, where a rent is paid by the travellers, gets emptied. They pay for a service so why not? Do you not believe in a service that is being paid for?
Unofficial traveller sites are not emptied as a rule as they have not paid for a service.
Simple really if you think about it.
Dave_Notts

8 Aug 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts

My next door neighbour who is obviously a bit of a thicko, left his glass and plastics out two weeks ago, and they did not empty his bins, reason? He put all of them into one bin. Now I know the difference between glass and plastics and that you do not mix the two together when you have two separate bins, but not to empty a smelly bin that has sat there for two weeks, and then another two weeks if they do not empty it, is typical of the jumped up twats who operate and run our councils.

As a tax payer who agrees with cutting cost and saving my tax bill, that some of these "rules" are placed to save money. If everyone abides with them, then my bill will come down. I can, so can they. So the people that don't are the twits for costing me money.
So you agree with a higher tax bill and would like a free for all? Perhaps it isn't those that operate or run the council who are being daft then.
This quote from a member of the public at the end of the link says it nicely

Pathetic is all I can say. Rules are there for everyone so follow them or get rid of your rubbish yourself. Why should the council may allowances if you cause a scene?...I can't believe what a fuss the public make about rubbish - get a life and think about something more important!

Dave_Notts
I notice you only pick up on the one comment that serves your arguement? You had to dig deep down to find that one....what about this comment then?,,,
" Arrrrrrrrrgggg!
If the stinking bins are too full now, they are hardly likely to be less so in another two weeks.
Organise more regular collections, the bins will be less full. If the bin men did their jobs properly (not wasting time with measurements and stickers), they should have plenty of time to do the job for which they are PAID.
And it's nice to see that police are so easily available to ensure than bin men (rarely shrinking violets) are protected from verbal abuse when so many areas are becoming no-go areas due to the presence of violent drunken slobs.
Asked about leaving bins in the street, the council has the audacity to provide a non-response such as "a refuse bin 'does not represent an obstruction' and although there are powers to prosecute, there is no duty on the council to do so. "
Councils have to be effectively under tax-payers' control ".
I would think the majority of council tax payers would agree with that comment over yours.
Shall I pick out all the ones that do not agree with what the council do?

8 Aug 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts

I bet they empty the local resident travelers sites bins though.

Official travellers sites, where a rent is paid by the travellers, gets emptied. They pay for a service so why not? Do you not believe in a service that is being paid for?
Unofficial traveller sites are not emptied as a rule as they have not paid for a service.
Simple really if you think about it.
Dave_Notts
The comment I made was very simple to understand....my local council run traveler site pays it's money the same way any resident does, but I cannot imagine a bin man going there and refusing to empty their bins.

8 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777

I bet they empty the local resident travelers sites bins though.

Official travellers sites, where a rent is paid by the travellers, gets emptied. They pay for a service so why not? Do you not believe in a service that is being paid for?
Unofficial traveller sites are not emptied as a rule as they have not paid for a service.
Simple really if you think about it.
Dave_Notts
The comment I made was very simple to understand....my local council run traveler site pays it's money the same way any resident does, but I cannot imagine a bin man going there and refusing to empty their bins.
Exactly :thumbup:
Dave_Notts

8 Aug 2010

You been on the beer Davey? lol

8 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I notice you only pick up on the one comment that serves your arguement? You had to dig deep down to find that one....what about this comment then?,,,
" Arrrrrrrrrgggg!
I find it uninformed

If the stinking bins are too full now, they are hardly likely to be less so in another two weeks.

Quote by Dave__Notts
Absolutely right.

Organise more regular collections, the bins will be less full. If the bin men did their jobs properly (not wasting time with measurements and stickers), they should have plenty of time to do the job for which they are PAID.

Quote by Dave__Notts
This is where we differ. The responsibility is down to the user of the service. Get their act together and stop wasting public money by not being able to follow simple rules. The facilities are there for everyone, not just the ones who cannot folow simple rules.

And it's nice to see that police are so easily available to ensure than bin men (rarely shrinking violets) are protected from verbal abuse when so many areas are becoming no-go areas due to the presence of violent drunken slobs.

Quote by Dave__Notts
Once again down to service users who are getting aggresive over a bin. Sort the bin out, empty it and put the right stuff in the right bin. Why should my council tax pay for lazy feckers who can't follow simple rules.

Asked about leaving bins in the street, the council has the audacity to provide a non-response such as "a refuse bin 'does not represent an obstruction' and although there are powers to prosecute, there is no duty on the council to do so. "

Quote by Dave__Notts
It will be down to saving tax payers money and if it is in the public interest to prosecute. It will go on a case by case basis.

Councils have to be effectively under tax-payers' control ".

Quote by Dave__Notts
They are. You vote for it. You get what you vote for. I thought you said it would get better?

I would think the majority of council tax payers would agree with that comment over yours.

Quote by Dave__Notts
Depends who you ask and how.

Shall I pick out all the ones that do not agree with what the council do?

Quote by Dave__Notts
Feel free.

8 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777

Is this really what local councils find to be of so much importance fgs?
In many parts of the country and where I live this is common practice not to empty any bin where the lid is not fully shut. Is that really such a level of importance that councils who fail to empty those bins, are ok to leave them for another two weeks stinking out the whole area of where people live?
My next door neighbour who is obviously a bit of a thicko, left his glass and plastics out two weeks ago, and they did not empty his bins, reason? He put all of them into one bin. Now I know the difference between glass and plastics and that you do not mix the two together when you have two separate bins, but not to empty a smelly bin that has sat there for two weeks, and then another two weeks if they do not empty it, is typical of the jumped up twats who operate and run our councils.
I bet they empty the local resident travelers sites bins though.

I think this is the worse behaviour we see from councils, very poor show indeed
What will happen is people will result to dumping or as we see in this article civil unrest

8 Aug 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
What will happen is people will result to dumping or as we see in this article civil unrest

This is the problem Blue.
The old system worked adequately, so why the change? Probably savings were needed due to tax payer pressure. Someone came up with an idea and waved the saving of x pounds, shillings and pence and the idea was voted in.
In public or private, wave the saving and it gets implemented. Then you publicise it as anything else to try and sell it e.g saving the earth, ozone layer, etc.
The old regime can be re-implemented, I suspect, but it will cost a lot more money to get it going again. That is then a waste because I would have to pay more money because of a few inconsiderate, lazy people out there can not get their heads around a few simple rules that the majority of people in this country can abide by with no complaint or breaking the simple rules.
I can see more fly-tipping occuring, but civil unrest? I wouldn't think it was that great a problem on the scale of things. Maybe 30,000,000 households in the UK? Two or three stories a week in the press? Not a great deal of unrest. I would agree that most would mutter about the change.........I know I did when I had 5 feck off sized bins delivered to me. But within 2-3 months I have settled into a routine and it is second nature. What happens with it after? No idea. They could be just putting it all into the same bin wagon for all I care. I am just following the simple rules.
Now that is an interesting thread starter. Why some follow and some question rules?
Dave_Notts

8 Aug 2010

Civil unrest?
Yeah lets do it. lol

Seriously I do not think it will come to that but people are getting annoyed over not the bin mens rules, but the tossers in the councils who impliment those rules, to the letter of the law.
Is it true that people can actually be fined for not being able to shut the lid properly?
Underhanded tactics to simply con more money out of the resident but....soon the very people who voted them in will be given a bigger say in the council tax rises every year. Nothing they all cry out, then the councils will have to put their thinking caps on and think of another way to extort money.
The plot thickens. wink

8 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Civil unrest?
Yeah lets do it.
Seriously I do not think it will come to that but people are getting annoyed over not the bin mens rules, but the tossers in the councils who impliment those rules, to the letter of the law.
Is it true that people can actually be fined for not being able to shut the lid properly?
Underhanded tactics to simply con more money out of the resident but....soon the very people who voted them in will be given a bigger say in the council tax rises every year. Nothing they all cry out, then the councils will have to put their thinking caps on and think of another way to extort money.
The plot thickens.

Kenny, you wanted cuts, you have them. Those people in the council are implementing what you wanted. So if you are calling them tossers for implenting something you wanted......then you must once again be calling yourself a tosser. rotflmao

You ain't half calling yourself some names over the past week. So far you have been a tosser and a wanker.......and all from your own hand
Dave_Notts