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Can we please learn how to do the quote thingy, as it really is tiresome looking all the way down half a page for some to reply with two words.
If I can do it then anyone can, if you need any help on this them I am ya man. wink
Can I have a wooden spoon too? I know how good they feel smackbottom:smackbottom::smackbottom:
:shock:
It was a wooden spoon joke. It was a reference to being spanked with one. What has that to do with you exactly?
Now now ladies. This is an interesting thread more importantly a thread I started as the last one was locked.
If you want to carry on your spats from the steam room can you do it on another thread as I for one do not want to see this one locked as well.
Thankyou
Yes - let's keep this as on topic as anything in this forum can possibly be!
Don't get personal; it doesn't really help.
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Now now ladies. This is an interesting thread more importantly a thread I started as the last one was locked.
If you want to carry on your spats from the steam room can you do it on another thread as I for one do not want to see this one locked as well.
Thankyou

apologies kent,you are quite correct.
Can u ask G not to posta ny god awful music too !lol
well, the thread had developed into waste collection, so I thought I would link to some rubbish music rotflmao
Now before anyone starts shouting about the date of this link,has this policy changed at all over the last 18 months?

Has the cost of what councils get for recyclable waste increased or decreased since Dec 2008?
In the economic downturn that is still with us, I would be suprised if it has increased which would possibly mean this is more common than we may think?
I have heard in my borough that we will be getting another box only this one will be red. It is to put all the other bollox in there like complaints and council wastage schemes. But the problem I have heard is that they will have to collect those red bins three times a week. lol
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Now before anyone starts shouting about the date of this link,has this policy changed at all over the last 18 months?

Has the cost of what councils get for recyclable waste increased or decreased since Dec 2008?
In the economic downturn that is still with us, I would be suprised if it has increased which would possibly mean this is more common than we may think?
I have heard in my borough that we will be getting another box only this one will be red. It is to put all the other bollox in there like complaints and council wastage schemes. But the problem I have heard is that they will have to collect those red bins three times a week. lol

Christ this is tedious.
It's the same story again. Up to 10% of recyclables isn't recycled because it's contaminated. SO it goes to the incinerator or the landfill.
Now, you like to have a rant about how wicked it is that council's fine people for putting the wrong stuff in their bins. One contaminated bin in a ten ton load can mean all ten tons goes to landfill, producing an additional cost of £480. So, to get that cost down, don't you think it's right that people who waste council money by messing up their recyclable waste should be fined?
And if you and Nipper don't like the odd barb(ie) Ken then cut out the constant abuse of people who work for, or contract for, councils or the government. If you want a civilized debate, do your bit.
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Christ this is tedious.
It's the same story again. Up to 10% of recyclables isn't recycled because it's contaminated. SO it goes to the incinerator or the landfill.
Now, you like to have a rant about how wicked it is that council's fine people for putting the wrong stuff in their bins. One contaminated bin in a ten ton load can mean all ten tons goes to landfill, producing an additional cost of £480. So, to get that cost down, don't you think it's right that people who waste council money by messing up their recyclable waste should be fined?
And if you and Nipper don't like the odd barb(ie) Ken . If you want a civilized debate, do your bit.

Sorry Woody I think people are finding it very interesting, and certainly the only one who is finding it tedious is your fine self.
Is somebody by any chance standing behind you every time you post? Thought not but for someone who finds it all so tedious, you ain't half got a lot to say on the subject.:hunk:
If you do not like the content or in fact the thread itself, then you can very simply move on to one of the other threads, which are over that a WAY>>>>>>>>>>
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then cut out the constant abuse of people who work for, or contract for, councils or the government

Oh and btw..........as a taxpayer and a higher bracket taxpayer as well, IF I do not like what I see councils or National Government do, then I have a democratic right to moan, and on occasion moan directly.
That is what you can do in this fine country of ours.
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Now before anyone starts shouting about the date of this link,has this policy changed at all over the last 18 months?

Has the cost of what councils get for recyclable waste increased or decreased since Dec 2008?
In the economic downturn that is still with us, I would be suprised if it has increased which would possibly mean this is more common than we may think?
I have heard in my borough that we will be getting another box only this one will be red. It is to put all the other bollox in there like complaints and council wastage schemes. But the problem I have heard is that they will have to collect those red bins three times a week. lol

Christ this is tedious.
It's the same story again. Up to 10% of recyclables isn't recycled because it's contaminated. SO it goes to the incinerator or the landfill.
Now, you like to have a rant about how wicked it is that council's fine people for putting the wrong stuff in their bins. One contaminated bin in a ten ton load can mean all ten tons goes to landfill, producing an additional cost of £480. So, to get that cost down, don't you think it's right that people who waste council money by messing up their recyclable waste should be fined?
And if you and Nipper don't like the odd barb(ie) Ken then cut out the constant abuse of people who work for, or contract for, councils or the government. If you want a civilized debate, do your bit.
welcome back woody
i do believe i`ve been having civilised debates with other on here it just seems you who are unable to accept a point of view that doesn't conform with yours
maybe if you had the problem 's with local government as i have you might also dislike the system
one such problem, just recently cost them 35k wink
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Sorry Woody I think people are finding it very interesting, and certainly the only one who is finding it tedious is your fine self.

The point Woody is making is that you are being given the explanation but you either can't or won't accept it, or are unable to understand it so we are going around in circles. And that, Kenty, is why comments about your postings end up becoming personal.
The fact is that the contaminated recycling bins are not produced by councils. They are produced by people who put their waste in the wrong bin, either by design or accident! If people followed the instructions properly, there would be no contamination and we'd have a 100 percent rate of recycling of the waste placed in recycled bins.
Of course, the alternative is to lump it all together in one basket and have an army of staff sorting all of the waste at waste reception centres. But that would cost a fortune - meaning a hike in council tax - and would also be grossly inefficient.
this is a little two sided story with no winners here either
:sad:
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Sorry Woody I think people are finding it very interesting, and certainly the only one who is finding it tedious is your fine self.

The point Woody is making is that you are being given the explanation but you either can't or won't accept it, or are unable to understand it so we are going around in circles. And that, Kenty, is why comments about your postings end up becoming personal.
The fact is that the contaminated recycling bins are not produced by councils. They are produced by people who put their waste in the wrong bin, either by design or accident! If people followed the instructions properly, there would be no contamination and we'd have a 100 percent rate of recycling of the waste placed in recycled bins.
Of course, the alternative is to lump it all together in one basket and have an army of staff sorting all of the waste at waste reception centres. But that would cost a fortune - meaning a hike in council tax - and would also be grossly inefficient.
Well valid points stevie but as you will have seen about what my next door neighbour did recently?
No? Well as Max Bygraves used to say " I will tell you a story "...
My next door idiot, sorry I mean neighbour has like me three containers. One is green for paper waste, one is black which is for glass, and then there is a purply red container which holds plastics.
Now all of us around here know what goes into what container but obviously he did not or chose not too. He decided to put about three weeks worth of glass and mix it up with the plastics. I noticed it on the morning of the collections and laughed when I came home that evening to find they had not emptied either container....he was not a happy bunny.
So he then sorted out the containers but because he had so much plastic, he still put some of the glass into that container....are you with me still? lol
On the second week he put those same containers out and I was on holiday last week and saw the bin men look into the container and left them both there. Well I nearly pissed meself to be honest, but him next door was incandescent with rage.
I had to point out the error of his ways when he approached me after noticing that all of my containers were empty. He thought it was mad not to take them but I kindly explained that they do not take them if they are mixed up.
So you see Stevei, around here they do not take the containers if they are mixed, and they do check. So no contaminated recyclables going into landfill from this council..............or are there? How does one know? wink
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Sorry Woody I think people are finding it very interesting, and certainly the only one who is finding it tedious is your fine self.

The point Woody is making is that you are being given the explanation butyou either can't or won't accept it, or are unable to understand it so we are going around in circles. And that, Kenty, is why comments about your postings end up becoming personal.
The fact is that the contaminated recycling bins are not produced by councils. They are produced by people who put their waste in the wrong bin, either by design or accident! If people followed the instructions properly, there would be no contamination and we'd have a 100 percent rate of recycling of the waste placed in recycled bins.
Of course, the alternative is to lump it all together in one basket and have an army of staff sorting all of the waste at waste reception centres. But that would cost a fortune - meaning a hike in council tax - and would also be grossly inefficient.
Or perhaps the opposite is possible dunno
No contaminated containers leaving our doorsteps either
We have ONE bin and two, sometimes three busy chaps come collect is from our gates, and take it to their sorting lorry, where they separate it into its respective sections. I am sure they are very careful not to get any mixed up/contaminated
Makes you wonder then Blue.....is it the bin men who fail to notice it has not been seperated or, they deliberately dump it together?
I presume it is the first one.
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No contaminated containers leaving our doorsteps either
We have ONE bin and two, sometimes three busy chaps come collect is from or gates and take it to their sorting lorry where thay separate it into its respective sections

We have a similar system, except that we have 3 bins. One for general waste, one for garden waste and one for recycling. The general waste is collected weekly, with the other 2 on alternate weeks and the recycle bin is separated into its respective sections as per above......so no contamination here either.
I wonder how many councils will go back to weekly collections with a little financial reward from Government?

“We will provide funding for those councils that wish to introduce proper weekly rubbish collections, on top of comprehensive recycling services.”
As it is all down to money and nothing else, how many I wonder will take Mr Pickles up on his offer? Bets anyone?
I do not contaminate my bin either. :thumbup:
However, I wouldn't blame a binman or woman from not spotting contaminated rubbish at the bottom of a 220l wheelie bin. How does a person do that? Not unless they take everything out and check it individually dunno
With the smaller boxes and bags I can see how they do that but the larger bins they do not have a chance.
Dave_Notts
whilst the thought of a council employee rummaging through the bins might be a vision of the future given the cuts that are coming
but doing it to get information on house holders does really seem a waste of manpower and money
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I wonder how many councils will go back to weekly collections with a little financial reward from Government?

“We will provide funding for those councils that wish to introduce proper weekly rubbish collections, on top of comprehensive recycling services.”
As it is all down to money and nothing else, how many I wonder will take Mr Pickles up on his offer? Bets anyone?

You keep saying you are a business man,so I am wondering if you have ever had to work to a budget? Otherwise I can't see why you are asking this question dunno
The type of collecting was changed for financial and legislative reasons. As more cuts came in the LAs had to find cost saving ways to still deliver a service but within their budget. Now they are saying we will give you more money to do a better service......then of course they will do it. Any rightminded manager or business owner would. It is money to keep the guys employed. Or are you saying you would turn it down?
Dave_Notts
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I do not contaminate my bin either. :thumbup:
However, I wouldn't blame a binman or woman from not spotting contaminated rubbish at the bottom of a 220l wheelie bin. How does a person do that? Not unless they take everything out and check it individually dunno
With the smaller boxes and bags I can see how they do that but the larger bins they do not have a chance.
Dave_Notts

In our recycle bins, the only thing we are allowed to bag are textiles. There are strict instructions not to put any other recycling into plastic bags. It is therefore very staightforward to ensure that there is no contamination.
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I do not contaminate my bin either. :thumbup:
However, I wouldn't blame a binman or woman from not spotting contaminated rubbish at the bottom of a 220l wheelie bin. How does a person do that? Not unless they take everything out and check it individually dunno
With the smaller boxes and bags I can see how they do that but the larger bins they do not have a chance.
Dave_Notts

In our recycle bins, the only thing we are allowed to bag are textiles. There are strict instructions not to put any other recycling into plastic bags. It is therefore very staightforward to ensure that there is no contamination.
Sounds simple. Is there any figures for your area on how much goes to landfill when it shouldn't?
The figures that are bandied about are for across the UK as a whole but there are so many different ways/types of recycling going on. With over 400 Local Authorities across the UK I can see why there are different ways. We have 220l bins and no boxes or bags. They all go on the back of a wagon and tipped up. No way for the refuse workers to dig through that lot.
Dave_Notts
PS What do you mean by textiles? I am thinking clothes as textiles
Anyone know what happened to the big machines for sorting recycling into it different types?
="Dave__Notts
Sounds simple. Is there any figures for your area on how much goes to landfill when it shouldn't?
The figures that are bandied about are for across the UK as a whole but there are so many different ways/types of recycling going on. With over 400 Local Authorities across the UK I can see why there are different ways. We have 220l bins and no boxes or bags. They all go on the back of a wagon and tipped up. No way for the refuse workers to dig through that lot.
Dave_Notts
PS What do you mean by textiles? I am thinking clothes as textiles

Sorry Dave, had a quick look but can't see any figures for what goes to landfill, did find Newcastle NSW though lol Yes, textiles mean clothes, curtains etc.
This is a link to Newcastle's recycling policy, seems pretty efficient.
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Sorry Dave, had a quick look but can't see any figures for what goes to landfill, did find Newcastle NSW though lol Yes, textiles mean clothes, curtains etc.
This is a link to Newcastle's recycling policy, seems pretty efficient.

No wonder it is so easy if this is all they recycle. I would certainly agree that nobody should be making a mistake up your way. Down here though, I can see why mistakes sometimes happen.
Thanks for the link
Dave_Notts
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Anyone know what happened to the big machines for sorting recycling into it different types?


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Can I have a wooden spoon too? I know how good they feel smackbottom:smackbottom::smackbottom:

of course you can :twisted: who could deny such a request :rascal::rascal:
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You keep saying you are a business man,so I am wondering if you have ever had to work to a budget? Otherwise I can't see why you are asking this question

Of course I have to work to budgets, but cannot understand your arguement.
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The type of collecting was changed for financial and legislative reasons. As more cuts came in the LAs had to find cost saving ways to still deliver a service but within their budget. Now they are saying we will give you more money to do a better service......then of course they will do it. Any rightminded manager or business owner would. It is money to keep the guys employed. Or are you saying you would turn it down?

The introduction of fortnightly collections around here have been going now for about two years, long before any so called cuts.
Call me a cynic Davey but as I detest the way my council operates, did they bring in these new measures to make things better from a financial point of view, or just another way to extort money from people through fines?
Nothing will convince me any different as I want my general waste emptied every week. For 1300 quid I expect that at least.
As I have said in the past Davey.....they say they are cutting back but that has not stopped them from spending vast and I mean vast sums of money on their plush brand new offices, which if memory serves me right is going to be around 6 yes 6 million quid. The same council who in 2008 spouted they might not have enough money to put the Christmas lights up in Bexleyheath high street.
If things are that tight would 6 million quid have been better spent within the very community they are supposed to be serving? Not into some lovely brand new building with chambers lined in gold leaf.
It is like most things in life, it is all well and good both local and national Government spouting about cuts to this and cuts to that, as the people at the higher end of both of them to them it will not matter one jot.
Councillors and MP's impliment the cuts but on their salaries nothing will affect them at all, it is the Mr and Mrs taxpayer that will be hit.
Luckily enough for me the cuts will hopefully not affect me a huge ammount, what I want is my rubbish to be collected every week like it has been for years, then I may see a bit of value for the huge ammount I pay every year.
Don't forget their copper bottomed pensions and the fact Councillors now pay themselves kenty wink
That's where all your money is going and why they have to cut services...