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Dave__Notts
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Quote by kentswingers777
Being patronising Davey does you no favours.
I shall have to go and have a swim now to cool off.

rotflmao
Says it all really. Now don't forget your arm bands
Do you now know the difference between a County and District Council? Even though I have explained it to you a number of times through this and the sister thread of this one.
Dave_Notts
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:laughabove::laughabove:
You sure your not a councilor on the quite Davey? lol
Dave__Notts
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Quote by kentswingers777
:laughabove::laughabove:
You sure your not a councilor on the quite Davey? lol

Certainly not. I work for a living.
Dave_Notts
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smackbottom:smackbottom:
Lizaleanrob
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Quote by Dave__Notts
:laughabove::laughabove:
You sure your not a councilor on the quite Davey? lol

Certainly not. I work for a living.
Dave_Notts
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
that's confirmation enough you don't work for the council
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Whilst I do not blame this guy at all for his actions, I would really question the council's arguement about cuts.

This is probably not the first time this has happened, and the ammounts councils pay to these kinds of people are nothing short of obscene.
Maybe I am wrong here but these kinds of people always seem to come from within the council...this guy was a former social worker, who obviously worked for the local authorities.
Look at this guys job title ffs..." executive director of people ". What the fuck is that one meant to represent? Is the councils the only people who employ people with crazy made up job titles?
It seems at the higher level in councils, it is not what you know but who you know.
With residents being told of massive cuts to their services, and how councils are having to lay off staff, I wonder how the residents of this borough feel about this kind of money being given away?
As I have already stated, the wage bill in most firms can be the thing that in the end shuts that firm down, and councils in particular with stories like this, should be ashamed of themselves....still once again it is not their money is it?
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It is shocking how unequally wealth is distributed I agree.
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Quote by Ben_welshminx
It is shocking how unequally wealth is distributed I agree.

So how would YOU go about making the whole system fairer?
Would you be alright with paying a brain surgeon the same ammount of money as a milkman for example?
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Hang on---you raised the issue, what aspect of wage disparity are you unhappy with.
So far, business executives being paid a lot for their skills is bad and cleaners being paid a pittance is bad. Yet milkmen deserve to be paid less than brain surgeons---just what point are you making?
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Obviously you missed the point....don't worry about it.
GnV
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Quote by kentswingers777
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Look at this guys job title ffs..." executive director of people ". What the fuck is that one meant to represent? Is the councils the only people who employ people with crazy made up job titles?

The Councils are the ones who pay shed loads of money to idiots who dream up these titles and then even more shed loads to create a new "image" wink
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I didnt miss the point at all.
A business executive in charge of what is essentially a multi million pound business is not --in your opinion---worth a decent wage. A brain surgeon is. A cleaner in a school is worth more than they are paid yet a milkman is not. I seek clarification of what at first glance appears to be mindless drivel.
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Quote by Ben_welshminx
at first glance appears to be mindless drivel

Then may I suggest you do more than just glance, as you do yourself no favours Benny.
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Whilst I do not blame this guy at all for his actions, I would really question the council's arguement about cuts.

This is probably not the first time this has happened, and the ammounts councils pay to these kinds of people are nothing short of obscene.
Maybe I am wrong here but these kinds of people always seem to come from within the council...this guy was a former social worker, who obviously worked for the local authorities.
Look at this guys job title ffs..." executive director of people ". What the fuck is that one meant to represent? Is the councils the only people who employ people with crazy made up job titles?
It seems at the higher level in councils, it is not what you know but who you know.
With residents being told of massive cuts to their services, and how councils are having to lay off staff, I wonder how the residents of this borough feel about this kind of money being given away?
As I have already stated, the wage bill in most firms can be the thing that in the end shuts that firm down, and councils in particular with stories like this, should be ashamed of themselves....still once again it is not their money is it?

From reading the story, they have had a restructure and his job no longer exists. Rather than paying him redundancy he has agreed to take early retirement in return for a year's salary. If he'd been with the council for many years, redundancy could have cost more. And despite the pay off, in the medium to long term there will be a saving to the council because the post no longer exists.
The fact is that these type of deals are common place in the private sector. Whenever an organisation lays off senior staff if gives them a financial incentive to sweeten the pill. And many of them then go on to get other top jobs. But you don't read about them because the information isn't in the public domain.
I get a little frustrated about this argument over the cost of directors pay. The bottom line is that public bodies are in effect multi million pound businesses with many thousands of staff. The people at the top are responsible for massive budgets and many staff. The equivalent job in the private sector very often pays far more and there are all sorts of perks and share options. But you don't know about them because the private sector guards salary levels of senior staff, and when jobs are advertised it just says something like "competitive package".
Where I do agree with you Kenty is over ridiculous job titles, which confuse people and is manna from heaven for the media. The test should be that a lay person can understand what the job is from its title. I don't know why he can't just have been called HR Director or similar! But this is as much a problem in the private sector, which is where it has spread from. A quick visit to the Economist website brings up a job with the ISDA, which is apparently the “global trade association representing all participants in the privately negotiated derivatives industry“. The job is to be “responsible for ISDA’s regulatory analysis and advocacy". Come again? God knows what it means, but you'll never see the media taking the piss out of it because it's not in the public sector.
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The bottom line is that public bodies are in effect multi million pound businesses with many thousands of staff. The people at the top are responsible for massive budgets and many staff. The equivalent job in the private sector very often pays far more

I do not mean to be argumentative but.....I cannot think of a more high powered job in the private sector than the Prime Ministers job.
He also is in charge of thousands and thousands of Civil servants. He is probably in charge of the biggest budgets of anyone else, and as you well know his salary is a lot less than a lot of high powered council leaders.
So is the PM worth more or less than a council leader?
I know which one is the higher powered and should be earning the higher salary but....work it out for yourself, one is private sector and one is public sector.
Not always as it seems.
Not when yet again we have public sector big wigs earning this kind of money...
GnV
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Quote by kentswingers777
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I do not mean to be argumentative but.....I cannot think of a more high powered job in the private sector than the Prime Ministers job.
He also is in charge of thousands and thousands of Civil servants. He is probably in charge of the biggest budgets of anyone else, and as you well know his salary is a lot less than a lot of high powered council leaders.
So is the PM worth more or less than a council leader?

errrr I think Sir Gus O'Donnell, the Cabinet Secretary actually holds that title kenty....
northwest____cpl
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Quote by kentswingers777
I know which one is the higher powered and should be earning the higher salary but....work it out for yourself, one is private sector and one is public sector.

Are you saying the Prime Minister is private sector?
Dave__Notts
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Quote by kentswingers777
The bottom line is that public bodies are in effect multi million pound businesses with many thousands of staff. The people at the top are responsible for massive budgets and many staff. The equivalent job in the private sector very often pays far more

I do not mean to be argumentative but.....I cannot think of a more high powered job in the private sector than the Prime Ministers job.
Oh ffs.........I'll need to frame this fecking post as it is one of those rare times that I actually agree with Kenny :doh:
I do understand the arguments that public executives are in charge of thousands of people and have big budgets...........but they do not have shareholders and do not have to make money for the survival of the company. A Council can not go bust, its budgets will be given to them every year. They may have to make decisions that are unpopular i.e. job cuts or not giving money to worthy causes as the budget has run out, but that is not the same as having to turn a profit.
My approach would be to have a sliding scale and having the PM as the top tier. No public servant should be paid more than him/her.
Dave_Notts
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Oh ffs.........I'll need to frame this fecking post as it is one of those rare times that I actually agree with Kenny

Obviously one of the few times you will be right then Davey.:giggle:
Dave__Notts
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Quote by kentswingers777
Oh ffs.........I'll need to frame this fecking post as it is one of those rare times that I actually agree with Kenny

Obviously one of the few times you will be right then Davey.:giggle:
I may be losing my 100% correct by siding with you flipa
Dave_Notts
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100% correct?
Keep taking those pills Davey......I would say 85% wrong, 12% right and the rest I have not got a clue what you are on about. wink
Still you seem a nice enough geezer.kiss
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Going back to the original point about wage disparity, do I get a response?
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All slow on the council front this end today.....not a jot in the papers.
Well I am happy as my rubbish is going to be emptied today, and the bin is firmly shut tight too, unlike next doors. lol
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I thought not.
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Ah deep joy....a nice empty bin. lol
GnV
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Quote by kentswingers777
Ah deep joy....a nice empty bin. lol

Soon be filled again kenty....
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Quote by GnV
Ah deep joy....a nice empty bin. lol

Soon be filled again kenty....
It sure will be GNV wink
GnV
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Do you get a special bin for recycling of used condoms in Kent?
Lizaleanrob
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Quote by kentswingers777
100% correct?
Keep taking those pills Davey......I would say 85% wrong, 12% right and the rest I have not got a clue what you are on about. wink
Still you seem a nice enough geezer.kiss

your right there kenty
Dave was debating a completely different subject with me the other night loon
Lizaleanrob
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looks like friday the 13th for the audit commission was a bit of a red letter day