Nationalisation

5 Oct 2012

Quote by flower411
We all know the privatised water companies in this country are not working and now the train system seems to be falling apart .....
Should we be thinking about nationalisation again ?
After all we`ve done it with the banks !!

be fine if were not held to ransom by unions, id like to see a lot of things nationalised rolleyes

5 Oct 2012

Quote by flower411
Considering previous nationalisation, the union thing is fair comment !
Let`s grow some balls and run the utilities for the benefit of all.

As long as we keep all politicians away from things, it may just work.

5 Oct 2012

Maybe its a play on words or context but whilst I don't believe in nationalisation (mainly due to unions or waste) I do believe that a not for profit organisation would be a step forward.

6 Oct 2012

I'm not sure nationalism is the right way forward in this day and age (always makes me think of old Russia) but shareholder-owned companies do tend to provide less for more. Perhaps the middle path could work with a move to employee-owned businesses like the John Lewis group? dunno

6 Oct 2012

The problem with mutuals and state owned is you have to think of a way of replacing the stewardship role provided by shareholders.
If you can solve that it ought to work very well.
Of course we spent 300 years building a mutually owned banking industry only to see it destroyed in 10 yrs in an inferno fuelled by money lust.

6 Oct 2012

I think renationalisation of some industries makes sense, and I don't ever see us returning to the days when a strong union could, or would even attempt anything that undermined the massive benefits for workers from a period of managed, long-term national investment. Railway network case in point: too important for vital infrastructure like that to be parceled up and managed in bits by different companies struggling to get a return on their operating costs as is, let alone invest in new hardware. Needs central planning and national investment in wholesale changes to infrastructure like that. I don't recall anyone ever pointing to France, Germany or Japan and saying look at the state of that, thank God we're not daft enough to have that all that lot nationalised. confused

7 Oct 2012

the only bank to be nationalised in the last 20 years was bearings for 1 pound with enormous debts paid by the taxpayer. no bank has been nationalised in the last five years including northern rock, their liabilities have been socialised/nationalised. state/taxpayer ownership is politician and media spin.
when britain had nationalised industries, they were nationalised with taxpayer compensation to industries that would have gone bankrupt in private ownership and there respective shareholders would have recieved nothing. they were nationalised and run as milking houses in the interests of private capital by the same captains of industry.
the privately owned train and bus services in britain recieve more in subsidies even taking account of inflation than the previously nationalised services did.
you pay more taxes direct and indirect than you ever did for less than you ever recieved since 1947.
keep paying your taxes till you have nothing left and keep the top 2% in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. keep paying for wars and derivitives till you drop and do not protest. do not question the explainations from your masters and all will be well.
blame your neighbour and the unions. blame the immigrants and foreigners. blame the greeks, the irish, the italians, the spanish, the portugese, all the lazy phuckers and people on benefits and keep watching football and x factor. but i do talk crap

8 Oct 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664
keep paying your taxes till you have nothing left and keep the top 2% in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. keep paying for wars and derivitives till you drop and do not protest.

I'm very interested to find out how we stop paying taxes without getting fined or arrested and thrown in jail
if there is a way... do share

8 Oct 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob

keep paying your taxes till you have nothing left and keep the top 2% in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. keep paying for wars and derivitives till you drop and do not protest.

I'm very interested to find out how we stop paying taxes without getting fined or arrested and thrown in jail
if there is a way... do share
Like he is always so generous with suggestions HOW to do stuff. biggrin

8 Oct 2012

Quote by flower411

keep paying your taxes till you have nothing left and keep the top 2% in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. keep paying for wars and derivitives till you drop and do not protest.

I'm very interested to find out how we stop paying taxes without getting fined or arrested and thrown in jail
if there is a way... do share
Self employed ......don`t pay for a few years ......go bankrupt .... lol

OOOOOO yeah ... have a doughnut ....we saved one for ya ....bit stale now, sorry.
oooo thank you - stale doughnut, cut up, drizzled with Golden Syrup and drowned in proper custard. Heaven biggrin

8 Oct 2012

Quote by flower411

keep paying your taxes till you have nothing left and keep the top 2% in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. keep paying for wars and derivitives till you drop and do not protest.

I'm very interested to find out how we stop paying taxes without getting fined or arrested and thrown in jail
if there is a way... do share
Self employed ......don`t pay for a few years ......go bankrupt .... lol

OOOOOO yeah ... have a doughnut ....we saved one for ya ....bit stale now, sorry.
i gather you don't understand the implications of self employed bankruptcy
ltd company payout in dividends then bankrupt the company flipa

its probably why you have such a large stock of doughnut's

:rotflmao::rotflmao:

11 Oct 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
be fine if were not held to ransom by unions, id like to see a lot of things nationalised

at the risk of sounding like a beardie old lefty (I shaved this morning wink

) - what's the problem with Unions?
If we going to be held to ransom anyway, is better held to ransom by a faceless corporate entity that only has private profit as its motive, or a by a bunch of ordinary working people who have the aim of improving the lot of ordinary working people?

11 Oct 2012

Quote by tee-em-aitch

be fine if were not held to ransom by unions, id like to see a lot of things nationalised

at the risk of sounding like a beardie old lefty (I shaved this morning wink

) - what's the problem with Unions?
If we going to be held to ransom anyway, is better held to ransom by a faceless corporate entity that only has private profit as its motive, or a by a bunch of ordinary working people who have the aim of improving the lot of ordinary working people?
Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm biggrin

11 Oct 2012

Quote by foxylady2209

be fine if were not held to ransom by unions, id like to see a lot of things nationalised

at the risk of sounding like a beardie old lefty (I shaved this morning wink

) - what's the problem with Unions?
If we going to be held to ransom anyway, is better held to ransom by a faceless corporate entity that only has private profit as its motive, or a by a bunch of ordinary working people who have the aim of improving the lot of ordinary working people?
Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm biggrin

thanks foxy saved me writing "is there a difference then?"

11 Oct 2012

Quote by foxylady2209
Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact

11 Oct 2012

Quote by tee-em-aitch

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.

11 Oct 2012

and for the record i don't wish to be held to Ransom by either the corporates or the unions
now that would be an interesting and novel concept wink

12 Oct 2012

Quote by foxylady2209

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?

12 Oct 2012

Quote by tee-em-aitch

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?
Can't be arsed. This is a sex site not the Socialist Worker.

12 Oct 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob

be fine if were not held to ransom by unions, id like to see a lot of things nationalised

at the risk of sounding like a beardie old lefty (I shaved this morning wink

) - what's the problem with Unions?
If we going to be held to ransom anyway, is better held to ransom by a faceless corporate entity that only has private profit as its motive, or a by a bunch of ordinary working people who have the aim of improving the lot of ordinary working people?
Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm biggrin

thanks foxy saved me writing "is there a difference then?"
:thumbup:

12 Oct 2012

Quote by tee-em-aitch

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?
Dunno how old you are, but if you lived through the 1970's you would have seen that the Unions heamorraged UK society. Public sector strikes in refuse collection, power stations, car manufacturing and rail transportation brought the country to standstill - reduced working hours, the three day week and power cuts - really - power cuts!!!
I personally was forced to join a Union with my first ever job and the Union progressively demanded enhanced priviliges for us which was tantamount to eventually having one day off for every day that we worked. In my youthful naivity I thought that this was wonderful, but only becauuse I was too young to see the bigger picture.
The eventual result of these policies was that the industry that I was in (shipping) all but dissappeared from the UK and shipping companies either went bankrupt or transferred to a foreign flag in order to maintain competitivness. With the benefit of hindsight I see that as a very negative result for our country (and me personally as I got made redundant).
Like it or not, society needs innovation and wealth creation to make jobs and to further society generally. Rather regrettably for some people, this means that people create companies (and jobs) and make themselves wealthy in the process. The day that we hate innovators so much because of their wealth is the day that this country will truly die. The great Union/Socialistt days of the 1970's were horrendous and god forbid that those days ever return.

13 Oct 2012

Quote by Too Hot
Dunno how old you are, but if you lived through the 1970's you would have seen that the Unions heamorraged UK society. Public sector strikes in refuse collection, power stations, car manufacturing and rail transportation brought the country to standstill - reduced working hours, the three day week and power cuts - really - power cuts!!!
I personally was forced to join a Union with my first ever job and the Union progressively demanded enhanced priviliges for us which was tantamount to eventually having one day off for every day that we worked. In my youthful naivity I thought that this was wonderful, but only becauuse I was too young to see the bigger picture.
The eventual result of these policies was that the industry that I was in (shipping) all but dissappeared from the UK and shipping companies either went bankrupt or transferred to a foreign flag in order to maintain competitivness. With the benefit of hindsight I see that as a very negative result for our country (and me personally as I got made redundant).
Like it or not, society needs innovation and wealth creation to make jobs and to further society generally. Rather regrettably for some people, this means that people create companies (and jobs) and make themselves wealthy in the process. The day that we hate innovators so much because of their wealth is the day that this country will truly die. The great Union/Socialistt days of the 1970's were horrendous and god forbid that those days ever return.

That's Capitalism for you eh ? lol

14 Oct 2012

Quote by foxylady2209

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?
Can't be arsed. This is a sex site not the Socialist is the current affairs section of the forum for political and controvertial subjects including those from "the freedom association" "mein kampf" the guardian,the telegraph, marxist weekly, socialist worker or any other veiw i thought. tee-em-aitch is entitled to his veiw socialist/capitalist/communist/feudalist/anarchist/idealist or materialist without such a remark as "this is a sex site not socialist worker"!

15 Oct 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?
Can't be arsed. This is a sex site not the Socialist is the current affairs section of the forum for political and controvertial subjects including those from "the freedom association" "mein kampf" the guardian,the telegraph, marxist weekly, socialist worker or any other veiw i thought. tee-em-aitch is entitled to his veiw socialist/capitalist/communist/feudalist/anarchist/idealist or materialist without such a remark as "this is a sex site not socialist worker"!
Glad you got that off your chest!

15 Oct 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?
Can't be arsed. This is a sex site not the Socialist is the current affairs section of the forum for political and controvertial subjects including those from "the freedom association" "mein kampf" the guardian,the telegraph, marxist weekly, socialist worker or any other veiw i thought. tee-em-aitch is entitled to his veiw socialist/capitalist/communist/feudalist/anarchist/idealist or materialist without such a remark as "this is a sex site not socialist worker"!
He's entitled to put whatever he likes.
As am I - including a refusal to provide examples on demand.
At no point did I, in that refusal, imply that he could not or should not post anything of his own. I simply chose not, myself, to post.

15 Oct 2012

Quote by flower411

He's entitled to put whatever he likes.
As am I - including a refusal to provide examples on demand.
At no point did I, in that refusal, imply that he could not or should not post anything of his own. I simply chose not, myself, to post.

Do ya wanna donut ? What sort do ya like ?
Thought I`d ask before ya left lol

You keep promising me doughnuts - and never deliver!!!!!! What's a girl got to do to get a mouthful of doughy sweetness?