New laws are not needed to govern the press, Private Eye editor Ian Hislop has told an inquiry into media ethics. Practices such as phone hacking, paying police officers and being in contempt of court contravene existing laws, Mr Hislop told the Leveson Inquiry. He said the inquiry should examine why the laws were not rigorously enforced. This sounds like good sense to me
Quite agree. Mind you think the Press Complaints Commission needs to actually have some 'teeth', though to enforce it's own voluntary codes of practise would be a start
Codes of practice to behave correctly should never be voluntary. Those that behave correctly don't need to to be told anyway and those that won't will not join a voluntary process.
Quote by foxylady2209 Codes of practice to behave correctly should never be voluntary. Those that behave correctly don't need to to be told anyway and those that won't will not join a voluntary process.
it is a tightrope to tread....we want a free press and we want journalists, investigateing corruption and wrong doing. But equally they can not step outside the law to do that. the question really is what is in publics interest to know, and what isn't !!! I think we as a public must all look at ourselves as well and take some responability. It seems we as a nation have a thirst for celebrity gossip and tittle tattle. Loads of magazines are published every week, feeding this hunger. Thats why there are people outside nightclubs with cameras waiting for someone to stumble after a few drinks. Thats why there are people with long range cameras trained on beaches when a celeb may be, incase they can get a pic of them topless or even better with a bit of a flabby belly !!! Lets remember the NOTW outsold all the other sunday newspapers put together. Once we stop buying these publications, the frezzy for gossip will stop.
Quote by deancannock it is a tightrope to tread....we want a free press and we want journalists, investigateing corruption and wrong doing. But equally they can not step outside the law to do that. the question really is what is in publics interest to know, and what isn't !!! I think we as a public must all look at ourselves as well and take some responability. It seems we as a nation have a thirst for celebrity gossip and tittle tattle. Loads of magazines are published every week, feeding this hunger. Thats why there are people outside nightclubs with cameras waiting for someone to stumble after a few drinks. Thats why there are people with long range cameras trained on beaches when a celeb may be, incase they can get a pic of them topless or even better with a bit of a flabby belly !!! Lets remember the NOTW outsold all the other sunday newspapers put together. Once we stop buying these publications, the frezzy for gossip will stop.
Agree with you for the most part Dean but Ive highlighted the bit in bold for one reason. Do we want a free press? Being honest with what you have talked about in the later parts of your post I would say I do not. Gossip press and all that shite is worth millions as we know but I could loose it in a day and not care. ________ person has put on 4lbs _______ person is having a bit on the side :sleeping: Some people lap this crap up. Its quite intersting to think about how this affects some of us here? It does not does it? For example anyone here could win the lottery or win the Xfactor right? Cus there would be no headline saying "Xfactor winner in Swinging sensation" Or "Lottery winner attends orgys". They hold people to ransom virtually all the time without even sending the demand letter.
Quote by deancannock Thats why there are people outside nightclubs with cameras waiting for someone to stumble after a few drinks. Thats why there are people with long range cameras trained on beaches when a celeb may be, incase they can get a pic of them topless or even better with a bit of a flabby belly !!! Lets remember the NOTW outsold all the other sunday newspapers put together. Once we stop buying these publications, the frezzy for gossip will stop.
dont forget though dean that these very peeple scream at there privacy being invaded as you desribe above, but as soon as they want the attention they are quick to then want the press. princess diana was a prime example of this. celebs love to be celebs until they do not want to be celebs. they cannot have it all ways. staying private when you want is one thing but then do not feed those same peeple from the press when all of a sudden they want the publicity. celebs play the same games that the press do, the trick is to play the same games together for that is what sells papers and magazines, and you will never stop that.
yes which probably about 4 million peeple every sunday will want to read? still cannot keep a good man down a friend of mine said today. Just because people buy it, don't mean its not trash !!! It begs belief really, that anyone would want to buy a newspaper owned by a person whose employee's previously regularily hacked into mobile phones and Paid the salary of one such person for the two years whilst he was in Jail, for the offence. And then gave him a £100,000 bonus on his release !! This is the same owner who's daily newspaper by the same name has just had 5 employees arrested for alledgly bribing police officers for information !! Not the sort of information gathering I would wish to endorse !!!
Quote by deancannock Just because people buy it, don't mean its not trash !!!
well that is true but plenty of peeple would not agree with you and the buying figures would say it make be trash but very successful trash.
Quote by deancannock It begs belief really, that anyone would want to buy a newspaper owned by a person whose employee's previously regularily hacked into mobile phones and Paid the salary of one such person for the two years whilst he was in Jail, for the offence. And then gave him a £100,000 bonus on his release !!
that is also true dean but did he not make hundreds unemployed by shutting that newspaper down i think the notw paid the ultimate price, or would you have taken matters even further? what about holding the employees down and shooting them as well
Quote by deancannock This is the same owner who's daily newspaper by the same name has just had 5 employees arrested for alledgly bribing police officers for information !! Not the sort of information gathering I would wish to endorse !!!
why do peeple like yourself always presume guilt? do peeple not get the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty in your eyes dean? and once you come off that moral high horse you may well be able to see that peeple are indeed innocent until proven guilty. that is being less the case nowadays though it would seem. :twisted: are they guilty then dean??
Quote by starlightcouple why do people like yourself always presume guilt? do people not get the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty in your eyes dean? and once you come off that moral high horse you may well be able to see that people are indeed innocent until proven guilty. that is being less the case nowadays though it would seem. :twisted: are they guilty then dean??
Mulcaire admitted to hacking phones. It's not a case of who was guilty at the NOTW its the level of guilt and depth of coverup.
and full of lies and deceit... Hillsborough prime example and my reason for never buying That's exactly it. Starlight, you say about Murdoch that you can't keep a good man down, yet you recognise that he shut down a newspaper causing hundreds of people to be unemployed, due to Murdoch being the owner of a newspaper which employed people committing crimes, to benefit sales, and therefore Murdoch? Doesn't sound like a good man to me.
and full of lies and deceit... Hillsborough prime example and my reason for never buying That's exactly it. Starlight, you say about Murdoch that you can't keep a good man down, yet you recognise that he shut down a newspaper causing hundreds of people to be unemployed, due to Murdoch being the owner of a newspaper which employed people committing crimes, to benefit sales, and therefore Murdoch? Doesn't sound like a good man to me. They have not even had the decency to apologise... even after all this time!
Quote by essex34m That's exactly it. Starlight, you say about Murdoch that you can't keep a good man down, yet you recognise that he shut down a newspaper causing hundreds of people to be unemployed, due to Murdoch being the owner of a newspaper which employed people committing crimes, to benefit sales, and therefore Murdoch?
i said a friend had said about keeping a good man down. i was just looking at what others thought essex. i know peeple on here hate murdoch essex but surely a man with vast business empires througout the world, he cannot surely be held accountable for some of his staff on a newspaper that he probably has very little day to day control of? he has editors who decide what to print and as far as i know was rupert murdoch found guilty of any wrong doing himself with regards to phone or e mail hacking essex? his son is a bit shady but the man himself came across in that enquiry of not having done anything wrong himself. that is how i saw it. i have no agenda here essex as i only reed a newspaper about once a week but reed what others buy.
Quote by essex34m Doesn't sound like a good man to me.
pretty much what i have stated above essex. was he personaly found guilty of anything essex? no just maybe he saw that some of his staff had, and then decided as the notw as a whole had acted inappropriatly that the only decision he could make, and for many the right thing, was to shut the whole thing down. i think that was more than anyone would have expected him to do thoiugh. at that enquiry if he was lying he certainly had me and many others fooled as he seemed very genuine in his appologies, and his apparent lack of knowledge of any wrong doings.
For me I feel for the employees of News of the World which was shut down. There were only a few rotten apples in the barrel and this should not be taken out on all the staff. This new paper may give them, or at least some of the chance to be employed again perhaps.
Star ... I do wonder at your motive for defending news international and 'honest Rupe' ,if it is out of an idea of fair play and justice I would suggest that you've hitched your cart to the wrong horse entirely
Quote by starlightcouple i said a friend had said about keeping a good man down. i was just looking at what others thought essex. i know peeple on here hate murdoch essex but surely a man with vast business empires througout the world, he cannot surely be held accountable for some of his staff on a newspaper that he probably has very little day to day control of? he has editors who decide what to print and as far as i know was rupert murdoch found guilty of any wrong doing himself with regards to phone or e mail hacking essex? his son is a bit shady but the man himself came across in that enquiry of not having done anything wrong himself. that is how i saw it. i have no agenda here essex as i only reed a newspaper about once a week but reed what others buy.
My apologies, the way you quoted your friend, I took it to mean you agree with the sentiment, and you applied it to Murdoch. You say he cannot be held accountable, but I disagree. He is the owner of a newspaper, a medium that in the past, has had so much power, the editorials of the newspaper has actually decided elections, has actually put governments into power. And power is what he revels in, he has been ranked 13th most powerful person in the world (Forbes) and you don't get to that sort of position by overlooking the details, including what is going on at his papers. The editors are his generals, and I seriously doubt they are left to their own devices. There is no dispute that he is an excellent businessman, who has held dominant positions in any market he has chosen to enter. But I equally feel there are many, be they politicians, celebrities etc, that live in fear of how Murdoch can make or break them. And it is my belief that there are many people who has skeletons in the closet, and Murdoch holds the key to their freedom.
Quote by essex34m Doesn't sound like a good man to me.
Quote by starlightcouple pretty much what i have stated above essex. was he personaly found guilty of anything essex? no just maybe he saw that some of his staff had, and then decided as the notw as a whole had acted inappropriatly that the only decision he could make, and for many the right thing, was to shut the whole thing down. i think that was more than anyone would have expected him to do thoiugh. at that enquiry if he was lying he certainly had me and many others fooled as he seemed very genuine in his appologies, and his apparent lack of knowledge of any wrong doings.
His ruthless streak is what shut the NOTW down, he was facing a shitstorm, and to protect his interests, he offered the closure of the NOTW as an olive branch, regardless of the cost. Looking at the bigger picture. Would have been easy to purge those that had done wrong, nobody would have thought any differently of him, but by closing the NOTW, he showed that he would do what it takes.
Quote by essex34m My apologies, the way you quoted your friend, I took it to mean you agree with the sentiment, and you applied it to Murdoch.
appology acepted essex. i can see both sides to be honest.
Quote by essex34m You say he cannot be held accountable, but I disagree. He is the owner of a newspaper, a medium that in the past, has had so much power, the editorials of the newspaper has actually decided elections, has actually put governments into power. And power is what he revels in, he has been ranked 13th most powerful person in the world (Forbes) and you don't get to that sort of position by overlooking the details, including what is going on at his papers. The editors are his generals, and I seriously doubt they are left to their own devices. There is no dispute that he is an excellent businessman, who has held dominant positions in any market he has chosen to enter. But I equally feel there are many, be they politicians, celebrities etc, that live in fear of how Murdoch can make or break them. And it is my belief that there are many people who has skeletons in the closet, and Murdoch holds the key to their freedom.
is david cameron accountable for everything one of his tory mp's do essex? i meen if one of them did something dishonest would david cameron be accused of knowing and thrown to the lions? murdoch may well have known more than we do, but the enquiry found him to have done nothing wrong. he appologised resoundingly and shut the offending paper down. if an enquiry found no wrong doing on his part, how can you then judge him otherwise i see that the guradians report into the notw hacking was a lie, do you condone that at all?
Quote by essex34m His ruthless streak is what shut the NOTW down, he was facing a shitstorm, and to protect his interests, he offered the closure of the NOTW as an olive branch, regardless of the cost. Looking at the bigger picture. Would have been easy to purge those that had done wrong, nobody would have thought any differently of him, but by closing the NOTW, he showed that he would do what it takes.
yes of course he did what it takes essex, and now has chosen after a few months to do a notw 2 in the sun on sunday. no doubt employing the notw staff that was laid off as well? he does what he has to do to get the job done. i still say nothing has been proven against him as a person in the notw scandal. can you prove me wrong essex? i think he is a much clever man that most give him credit for.:notes:
Blue, they might not be needed now, but we'd welcome better regulation of them post-Levenson anyway. James Murdoch has stepped down as executive chairman of News International, the UK newspaper business that owns the Sun and the Times titles. However Mr Murdoch will remain as deputy chief operating officer of parent group News Corporation, run by his father Rupert, i.e. running News Corporation's television interests outside the US.
Quote by starlightcouple is david cameron accountable for everything one of his tory mp's do essex? i meen if one of them did something dishonest would david cameron be accused of knowing and thrown to the lions?
Do you mean in the same way that a Government minister is held responsible for the cock ups of his department ?? you know those whose resignations or sackings The Sun so readily calls for ?? then YES he is responsible
Quote by starlightcouple murdoch may well have known more than we do, but the enquiry found him to have done nothing wrong. he appologised resoundingly and shut the offending paper down. if an enquiry found no wrong doing on his part, how can you then judge him otherwise i see that the guradians report into the notw hacking was a lie, do you condone that at all?
Which inquiry is this ?? this one ??? not much talk of 'innocence' there Or do you mean the as yet unfinished Leveson inquiry ...no conclusions there as yet. You really must stop believing what you read in the papers,or at least start reading a more honest one
Quote by Staggerlee_BB You really must stop believing what you read in the papers,or at least start reading a more honest one
dont reely buy papers but if i did the last one i would buy or read is the one that supplied your link to. i cannot think of reading anything more boring to be honest. ah honest not something you associate with newspapers including that one. "There are no facts, only interpretations." - Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) :grin:
You really must stop believing what you read in the papers,or at least start reading a more honest one
dont reely buy papers but if i did the last one i would buy or read is the one that supplied your link to. i cannot think of reading anything more boring to be honest. ah honest not something you associate with newspapers including that one. "There are no facts, only interpretations." - Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) :grin: So which inquiry was that again ???
Yet another Sun journalist arrested, newspaper's defence correspondent Virginia Wheeler under the Prevention of Corruption Act. So that's the 23rd arrest as part of Operation Elveden and she is the 11th Sun employee to be arrested. So that's Operation Elvedon - Investigating alleged payments made to police by employees of News International News of the World - Clive Goodman, former royal editor - Andy Coulson, former editor and ex-Downing Street communications chief - Rebekah Brooks, former News International chief executive - Stuart Kuttner, former managing editor - Lucy Panton, former crime editor The Sun - Jamie Pyatt, reporter - Fergus Shanahan, former deputy editor - Graham Dudman, former managing editor - Mike Sullivan, crime editor - Chris Pharo, head of news - John Edwards, picture editor - John Kay, chief reporter - Nick Parker, chief foreign correspondent - John Sturgis, reporter - Geoff Webster, associate editor Operation Weeting - Investigating alleged phone hacking by News of the World - Ian Edmondson, former assistant editor - Neville Thurlbeck, chief reporter - James Weatherup, assistant news editor - Andy Coulson, former editor and ex-Downing Street communications chief - Neil Wallis, former executive editor - Rebekah Brooks, former News International chief executive - Stuart Kuttner, former managing editor - Greg Miskiw, former news editor - James Desborough, former Hollywood reporter - Dan Evans, former reporter - Ross Hall, former reporter - Cheryl Carter, PA to Rebekah Brooks Well that's the arrests, lets wait to see what and if any charges arise No wonder James 'dis-appeared' yesterday and the main company's Chief Operating Officer, Chase Carey, in the US has already indicated the Company would be better off without their UK Newspapers and that executives had discussed selling the newspaper business
James Murdoch has resigned from his role as Chairman of UK broadcaster BSkyB, in a move seen as part of the effort to distance the company from the phone-hacking scandal at the News of the World newspaper, once a Murdoch title. This is in addition to him also stooding down as Chairman of the newspaper publisher, News International, last month. Mr Murdoch said on Tuesday: "As attention continues to be paid to past events at News International, I am determined that the interests of BSkyB should not be undermined by matters outside the scope of this company......I am aware that my role as Chairman could become a lightning rod for BSkyB and I believe that my resignation will help to ensure that there is no false conflation with events at a separate organisation." Though it's also being reported, by his colleagues, that he was jumping, rather than being pushed. It was announced last month that he had also now moved to New York to work on News Corp's pay-TV businesses around the world.
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i think the notw paid the ultimate price, or would you have taken matters even further? what about holding the employees down and shooting them as well 
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