You'll get on well with gulson then.... :grin:
Conspiracies - my take.
There will never be decent proof.
There are theories, theories and more theories - many more fantastical than the last and precious few providing any facts.
IF there are things like the Illuminati I'm sure they are perfectly capable of hiding facts or blowing their own smokescreens.
They are unlikely to have spring up in the last 5 years so (assuming they exist) life so far has managed a) with them and b) without proof of their existance.
In othere words - why fret?
My Grandfather, Great Uncle and Uncle were all Masons. Specifically a branch formed by men who worked together in London but were also musicians/composers. There are all sorts of documents on the web recording Masonic acitvities. I have no idea - nor do I care - if there were other, hidden, activities and silly handshakes and such like.
Seriously - there are far more serious/important things to worry about - like how am I going to heat my house if the gas goes up another 20%?
If the new world order or any of the other things had any real truth behind them we wouldn't know about them.....
For any conspiracy to work effectively the participants would need to be at least competent at conspiring...this requires a degree of SECRECY,given that information about masons,merovingians,new world order,Bilderberg and a seemingly endless number of other groups is readily available at the your fingertips,they are it appears pretty shit at consipiring.
What most conspiracy theorists see as some grand scheme is evidence of capitalism,this is as I'm sure you all know an economic/political system that rewards greed and self interest....most of the conspiracy theories would seem to involve a group who wish to accumulate wealth and power at the expense of everyone else.....like I said capitalism
You come into this world with nothing,if you die in debt you've won.........my mate Adrian
Pretty much sums it up Staggs...
You can't take it with you.
As my mate used to say, "No pockets in a shroud"
Well this certainly poked the nerves of some...at the end of the day i think such topics are very subjective and as such each opinion has a certain validity, not that peeps would always agree of course...personally yeah, were been shafted and have been for years and years...wars are generated and manufactured, the monetary system is run in a way that it will give much more benefits to this who already have them..and governments etc are just glorified puppets to the major global corperations who regularly(albeit not publicly) buy legislation to shape society to their benefits ..finincial,defence and pharmacuetical industries been the predominant ones...when all said and done, singularly there doesnt appear to be a great deal we can do(unless one is theorizing by looking through the eyes quantum mechanics et al). But i think the human mind is capable of much more potential than we currently seem to be acheiving and i personally believe that through the understanding of how our being works, both on a concious level(both sub and super) and also the physics of out bodies material on a subatomic level...well i think we can very much help the outcomes from our suroundings...the famous "double slit experiment" proves that matter is affected by our very presence..this i find hugely intriguing(ok i might be on my own here..lol)..there a lot yet to find out and i think we are all conditioned to keep our blinkers on and fear everything and constantly worry...and yeah im in there too, but i know for me at least there is another way..just havnt got there yet...im now wondering how long it will be before somebody turns the "double slit experiment" into something rude...i thought it when i typed it and know people with think it when they read it..lol...thnx for the responses anyways people...Jonny
I am a fat git so better than a duvet at keeping people warm 
a slightly longer one this)If capitalism does not reward greed and self-interest, but as I'm sure someone will point out,it rewards hard work, why am I and many many like me not considered successful, or more to the point (again using your yardstick) rich
