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Richard Littlejohn was named today in the inquest into the death of Lucy Meadows / Nathan Upton.
Hounding and abusing people to the point that they commit suicide is not new with the printed press. Why should Littlejohn not stand trial for his part in the untimely death of this albeit troubled person.
his ex wife quoted
Smith, mother to Meadows's son, said the couple had split up in late 2011 but had remained on good terms. She told the inquest Meadows had attempted suicide twice in the run-up to her death. "I asked her why and she said there wasn't enough to keep her here," said Smith.

after losing someone she loved dearly she no longer felt there was anything left to live for
i would imagine as disgraceful as the media coverage was it had little to do with her death
i dont read papers period but if people buy them then they will sell and see nothing where the coroner has suggested her death was a result of media coverage
quote from the coroner
Had her suicide note made any reference at all to the press, Singleton said he "would have no difficulty in summonsing various journalists and editors to this inquest to give evidence and be called into account".

mabe you should write for a news paper as they aviod the full facts to make a story seem better :huh:
From the BBC...
" A coroner has criticised the media over the "character assassination" of a transgender teacher who later took her own life.
An inquest heard Lucy Meadows hit the headlines after announcing her return to Mary Magdalen's Primary School in Accrington, Lancashire, as a woman.
Ms Meadows, 32, previously known as male teacher Nathan Upton, died from carbon monoxide poisoning in March.
Coroner Michael Singleton said media guidelines should be tightened.
Ms Meadows had complained to the Press Complaints Commission about harassment and an article in the Daily Mail by columnist Richard Littlejohn questioning her right to teach, the inquest in Blackburn was told."
Quote by flower411
his ex wife quoted
Smith, mother to Meadows's son, said the couple had split up in late 2011 but had remained on good terms. She told the inquest Meadows had attempted suicide twice in the run-up to her death. "I asked her why and she said there wasn't enough to keep her here," said Smith.

after losing someone she loved dearly she no longer felt there was anything left to live for
i would imagine as disgraceful as the media coverage was it had little to do with her death
i dont read papers period but if people buy them then they will sell and see nothing where the coroner has suggested her death was a result of media coverage
quote from the coroner
Had her suicide note made any reference at all to the press, Singleton said he "would have no difficulty in summonsing various journalists and editors to this inquest to give evidence and be called into account".

mabe you should write for a news paper as they aviod the full facts to make a story seem better :huh:
I'll admit that I hadn't even heard of this story before so I'm just basing my comments on what I have read online in the last ten minutes.
I really don't think that the coroners comments quoted here should be taken as proof of anything, they are simply justification for not summonsing the journalists.
I haven't read anything relating to this that Littlejohn has written but it appears that people have accused him of bigotry in this case and having witnessed his bile before I would have to accept that assesment.
Just because it wasn't mentioned in a suicide note does not mean it is untrue, it simply leaves it open to conjecture.
correct flower
as was my opinion of the whole thing :thumbup:
i don't like little john either but its doesn't say he was responsible any where!!! we have to accept what the coroner states and those closer to the deceased any thing else in conjecture
calling for little john to be tried for murder is as loony as sending coppers to intimidate that little old lady for selling cheese
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From the BBC...
" A coroner has criticised the media over the "character assassination" of a transgender teacher who later took her own life.
An inquest heard Lucy Meadows hit the headlines after announcing her return to Mary Magdalen's Primary School in Accrington, Lancashire, as a woman.
Ms Meadows, 32, previously known as male teacher Nathan Upton, died from carbon monoxide poisoning in March.
Coroner Michael Singleton said media guidelines should be tightened.
Ms Meadows had complained to the Press Complaints Commission about harassment and an article in the Daily Mail by columnist Richard Littlejohn questioning her right to teach, the inquest in Blackburn was told."

and the bit that says little john was responcible for her death is dunno
Disappointed to discover that this is a thread about responsible journalism and not about the changing media from printed to electronic and the impact of a significant reduction in the paper/print industry.
<<Wanders off to read something else.
to be honest if i was cynical then i would think this thread was an antagonistic wind up star thread and not really a real concern
as it was only recently that star said he rather liked little john :huh:
losty you could well be right wink
He / She is not the first person to take their own life after press harassment and they won't be the last. The inquest did not say that Littlejohn was directly responsible but the pressure that the deceased person came under as a consequence "should" be taken into account. The fact that it is not taken into account is a loss to our society.
Quote by Too Hot
He / She is not the first person to take their own life after press harassment and they won't be the last. The inquest did not say that Littlejohn was directly responsible but the pressure that the deceased person came under as a consequence "should" be taken into account. The fact that it is not taken into account is a loss to our society.

but it doesn't state the press was responcible for her death dunno
so why keep saying they was
it's believed that she was unable to cope with the grief of losing someone very close
its plain and simple (maybe to simple for some)
Quote by Lizaleanrob
to be honest if i was cynical then i would think this thread was an antagonistic wind up star thread and not really a real concern
as it was only recently that star said he rather liked little john :huh:
losty you could well be right wink

Very tenuous - Are we not allowed to post something in case it antagonises someone who may/may not like the subject being posted about? Do we need to search back through postings to make sure we are not going to wind someone up? Come on....
My feelings about the press and the pressure they put on people were hardened after the David Kelly suicide and it winds me up when I read that "a journalist" (better?) gets named in an inquest but it is not important enough to have any notice taken of it. If the journo and their actions is mentioned in the inquest then it is important enough to be investigated further.
We have only just had the Leveson enquiry and yet this so called journalist feels it OK to spread hatred via his newspaper column and heap pressure on someone who was clearly very vulnerable.
You think it is OK - I don't.
Quote by flower411
to be honest if i was cynical then i would think this thread was an antagonistic wind up star thread and not really a real concern
as it was only recently that star said he rather liked little john :huh:
losty you could well be right wink

I saw that as the elephant in the room and was hoping we could all ignore it and move on.
It appears to me that a ban has been served and people have made their feelings known and that we should stop trying to wind things up and take things at face value.
If somebody is unable to moderate the expression of their views on a subject and ends up hurling abuse they should be removed. I can't see why it should be the fault of the OP if they have started a thread that causes another forum member to start insulting people.
That would be exactly the same as blaming the knife makers for the Woolwich atrocity or even the soldier for being there in the first place and antagonising the nutters !
I have always maintained that I post in here "despite" the fact that it winds certain people up and not "because" it winds them up.
I can't even believe that the "Star" connection is being made - it is completely irrelevant and has NOTHING at all to do with a story that I read on the BBC News App. How would I even know that Star had posted about the said journo unless I went back reading all his previous posts? Got better things to do than that thanks very much.
I think it's somewhat disingenuous to refer to journalism and gutterpress comic book style sensationalism in the same breath.
Sadly, quality journalism, the craft of the wordsmith, is all but dead.
This is not in any way different to the utterly dreadful standard of reporting on TV. The spectacle of reporters interviewing reporters and the appalling inaccuracies in their drivel to make 'breaking news' makes one cringe.
Awful.
Quote by flower411
I can't even believe that the "Star" connection is being made - it is completely irrelevant and has NOTHING at all to do with a story that I read on the BBC News App. How would I even know that Star had posted about the said journo unless I went back reading all his previous posts? Got better things to do than that thanks very much.

The point I was trying to make is that although I immediately saw this thread as something that could bring accusations and/or abuse from certain quarters it would be the fault of the accusers and abusers and not the fault of the thread starter.
It is precisely because views in here meet with abuse and then with accusations that the abuser has somehow been forced to be abusive so that they can then be ganged up on and bullied that people are discouraged from posting.
Why worry flower, when the really frightening stuff is being reported
Quote by Too Hot
to be honest if i was cynical then i would think this thread was an antagonistic wind up star thread and not really a real concern
as it was only recently that star said he rather liked little john :huh:
losty you could well be right wink

Very tenuous - Are we not allowed to post something in case it antagonises someone who may/may not like the subject being posted about? Do we need to search back through postings to make sure we are not going to wind someone up? Come on....
My feelings about the press and the pressure they put on people were hardened after the David Kelly suicide and it winds me up when I read that "a journalist" (better?) gets named in an inquest but it is not important enough to have any notice taken of it. If the journo and their actions is mentioned in the inquest then it is important enough to be investigated further.
We have only just had the Leveson enquiry and yet this so called journalist feels it OK to spread hatred via his newspaper column and heap pressure on someone who was clearly very vulnerable.
You think it is OK - I don't.
David Kelly..suicide...............really!!!!!
sorry th but if you care to read up then you will find i stated that the actions of the press was disgraceful in this case (apology accepted)
but your dribbled version that fell over before breakie is your fault for either not reading the facts first,trying to sensationalise the story,(insert other reason here ....innocent)
but calling for him to tried for the death of this person was so dumb when clearly this persons death was for far deeper reasons i had to wonder weather it was a wind up
and just to remind the veiwers at home
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/416063.html
the thing is, if you don't like the way newspapers report stuff don't buy them like me and many others like me they will then either change or become extinct but if you do buy papers then your part of the problem not the cure
Quote by MidsCouple24
the thing is, if you don't like the way newspapers report stuff don't buy them like me and many others like me they will then either change or become extinct but if you do buy papers then your part of the problem not the cure

absolutely spot on Mids they sell because people buy them :thumbup:
sadly can't even say most Newspapers now are tomorrow's chip wrapping
:sad:
Quote by HnS
sadly can't even say most Newspapers now are tomorrow's chip wrapping
:sad:

'Elf an safety H. All those carcogens in the newsprint. Gotta have sanitised bog roll for wrapping chips these days...
Unused, of course wink
Quote by Lizaleanrob
to be honest if i was cynical then i would think this thread was an antagonistic wind up star thread and not really a real concern
as it was only recently that star said he rather liked little john :huh:
losty you could well be right wink

Very tenuous - Are we not allowed to post something in case it antagonises someone who may/may not like the subject being posted about? Do we need to search back through postings to make sure we are not going to wind someone up? Come on....
My feelings about the press and the pressure they put on people were hardened after the David Kelly suicide and it winds me up when I read that "a journalist" (better?) gets named in an inquest but it is not important enough to have any notice taken of it. If the journo and their actions is mentioned in the inquest then it is important enough to be investigated further.
We have only just had the Leveson enquiry and yet this so called journalist feels it OK to spread hatred via his newspaper column and heap pressure on someone who was clearly very vulnerable.
You think it is OK - I don't.
David Kelly..suicide...............really!!!!!
sorry th but if you care to read up then you will find i stated that the actions of the press was disgraceful in this case (apology accepted)
but your dribbled version that fell over before breakie is your fault for either not reading the facts first,trying to sensationalise the story,(insert other reason here ....innocent)
but calling for him to tried for the death of this person was so dumb when clearly this persons death was for far deeper reasons i had to wonder weather it was a wind up
and just to remind the veiwers at home
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/416063.html
Really not sure why you have the knives out these days...
Why don't you read the OP - "his part in the untimely death"
This does not mean I said he was totally culpable it means that he took actions which may not have directly caused her death but were serious enough to be mentioned by the Coroner at the inquest. I am asking if they were serious enough to be mentioned - why not investigate further and rule on those actions?
If he can say such things and it is mentioned in an inquest why can his actions not be more severely investigated especially on account of the fact that we only just come out of the Leveson inquiry. If Littlejohn can now just carry on hounding vulnerable people from the comfort and safety of his newspaper column... what was the point of Leveson?
Quote by MidsCouple24
the thing is, if you don't like the way newspapers report stuff don't buy them like me and many others like me they will then either change or become extinct but if you do buy papers then your part of the problem not the cure

Aaaarrrggghhhh........
I didn't buy the newspaper I just read this article and it really annoyed me that that the journal in question had mounted a nasty campaign which would have piled untold pressure on someone clearly vulnerable and nothing formal is being done about it. I just think that it is wrong.
Note to Admin:
Please can we have an Aaaarrrggghhhh.... emoticon?
Quote by Too Hot wrote
Hounding and abusing people to the point that they commit suicide is not new with the printed press. Why should Littlejohn not stand trial for his part in the untimely death of this albeit troubled person.

taken from your link
Quote by the inquest
The inquest heard notes written before she died did not attribute her death to press intrusion but stated she had "simply had enough of living"

no knifes th just facts and simply correcting your op i don't know why you think its personal
i say what i think and am always happy to explain why i think it
dont get me wrong but did you not ask for little john to stand trial for his part in her death
Quote by Lizaleanrob

Hounding and abusing people to the point that they commit suicide is not new with the printed press. Why should Littlejohn not stand trial for his part in the untimely death of this albeit troubled person.

taken from your link
Quote by the inquest
The inquest heard notes written before she died did not attribute her death to press intrusion but stated she had "simply had enough of living"

no knifes th just facts and simply correcting your op i don't know why you think its personal
i say what i think and am always happy to explain why i think it
dont get me wrong but did you not ask for little john to stand trial for his part in her death
So what was the point of Leveson? So that the journo's can still get away with hounding people to death? Can you not simply take on board that his pressure must have added enormously to the weight of problems by that vulnerable person. And by the way.... Just because a coroner says one thing in this particular inquest should not Littlejohn off the hook. Unless of course like we always do, we just accept the facts that the establishment give to us without questioning the fact that highly paid and intelligent they may be... It does not make them always right.
In this case...The Media and Richard Littlejohn are not the reason this person committed suicide . However it was a contributing factor. This person was a very venerable person, and so the name calling and the pressure by moralistic half wits like Richard Littlejohn, certainly did nothing to make this person feel accepted. To be low and depressed is an awful feeling. To then have national media putting your name and your circumstances out there in a moralistic manor that it was, can not be helpful or pleasant. Let us remember this person had broke no rules, and had done nothing wrong. However Mr Richard Littlejohn took it upon himself to get on his moralistic hobby horse and condemn this person. He and his paper does need to seriously look at what they say and do and the effect it can have.
Let us not forget the so called prank phone call, when some aussie radio station presenter, pretended to be the queen, and it lead to the nurse concerned committing suicide. Again not the reason she committed suicide but didn't help matters for sure. Thing is the media were up in arms and up for string them up from nearest lamp post !! However now its them that have hounded someone over the edge, its a different case.
The two presenters on the radio station, both apologised openly for their actions. perhaps Mr Richard littlejohn should take the front page out and apologise for his actions....somehow I don't think I will hold my breath waiting...
Totally.. double standards.
unfortunately Mr Littlejohn does exist......he used to host a radio phone in at one time....not sure if he still does. I do think that sometimes his views are just there to provoke a reaction...if that's the case..then that's fine it works !!
Famous and celebrity types put them selves in the public eye and to a degree are fair game. Is it not said that all publicity is good publicity !!! ( thou not 100% that is true....Max Clifford would rather not have his current level of publicity I am sure ) However poking fun or abusing innocent people, just because you have a different moral view, is a very dangerous game and as we can see, can lead to dangerous results.
people also forget the good papers can do you only have to look at the mp expenses scandal.
there are some very tenacious journalist out there that do a real service
so the freedom of the press can be important at times.
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The less tolerant amongst us might suggest that newspapers are purchased by the less literate and those that are titilated by gratuitous pictures of scantily clad young ladies ......but seriously that can't be the reason .....surely ?

do you include yourself in this group
Quote by flower411
So FHM readers have voted Helen Flanagan as the sexiest woman in the UK !
Don't get me wrong, I'd be all over her like a rash given the chance, but sexy ?
I`d hazard a guess that they meant to say "unobtainable bimbo I'd most like to shag" award.
In my opinion "sexy" is something completely different to what she has .

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