Well maybe not next week, but many of those "in the know" believe that despite popular opinion in Israel and indeed the rest of the world being against a pre-emptive Nuclear Strike on Irans Nuclear capacity/or capacity in progress is a foregone clonclusion some time in 2012 (the year predicted to be the end of the world) Certainly the leaders of Israel have stated that this is thier intention if the rest of the world fail to convince Iran to abandon thier Nuclear Capability preparations.
They may of course use conventional bombing tactics but that would be extremely difficult, Iran has a far superior defence capability than Iraq had before the wars there, a strike on thier nuclear facilities would require a minimum of 7 precision high powered (bunker buster) bombs being dropped on a target the area of a house.
Whichever method they use be it nuclear or conventional there is a strong likelihood of counter aggression from Iran aimed at Israel, which could easily mean the involvement of the USA (when don't they join in) if the US goes in there is a strong likelihood we in Britain will be called upon by our closest military allies to take some part.
Iran will get support from other Middle East Arab countries and Muslims around the world.
We are probably as close to a nuclear war now as we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
What if Israel take no action and Iran succeeds in it's intention to make itself a nuclear power, Iran has stated that they intend to "wipe out" Israel as soon as they are able, will the Nuclear War be started by them in the not too distance future.
Posturing, Threats, Intimidation, Bluffing, make no mistake, the situation has worldwide implications and could change our way of life forever and very soon.
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Nuclear War next week ?
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to much for me to take on board there mids.
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i beleeve that Israel are right to be worried about irans nuclear intentions. would iran actually use her weapons against israel? without a doubt if they were threatened. i like you mids think that israel will strike before iran does. israel are not known for there patience and on this matter most countries would be scared.
i would not want any country to attack any other country, but i think israel will strike before iran actually have the firepower that they would need to " wipe israel off the face of the earth ". that was said by the man with his finger on the possible red button in iran, the president in iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. who would not be scared of those comments?
Me? i would act first and ask questions after. if i was israel i would attack iran right at the centre of its nuclear powerhouse plants.
i think though it is only a matter of time before iran or one of the other middle eastern countries contribute to ww3.
iran has never attacked another country
according to the international watchdog, the international atomic energy authority and the c.i.a., iran is not creating the nuclear ability to create atomic weapons but solely peaceful electricity productive capacity.
iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. america in afghanistan and every other bananistan, india and pakistan but most of all israel that reportedly has 300 nuclear weapons and refuses to sign up to the non proliferation treaty which iran has.
israel has bombed gaza many times, bombed and invaded lebanon many times, bombed syria and bombed the uss liberty during or rather at the beginning of the 1967 war. it even attacked and killed people on an aid ship delivering vital humanitarian aid to gaza.
deliberately, haveyourdinnerdad was misquoted. he never said anything of the sort about wiping israel, i mean palestine, off the face of the earth.
the war mongering and arab springs are products of psyops created in tel aviv, wall street and the city of london to overthrow existing regimes in the middle east to secure oil, gas and minerals for the west but more importantly, to prevent india and china from obtaining the same.
the figure of 9 thousand dead in syria as a result of the syrian regimes crack down on peaceful ? protesters is pure fabrication. the syrian free army is the priduct of western intelligence and special forces.
the danger does not come from iran, but western agression that the whole of the world can plainly see because the are not so inundated with with the propaganda and media control that exists here.
the greatest danger comes from a false flag (gulf of tonkin) incident perpetrated by the west/israel. not iran.
according to the international watchdog, the international atomic energy authority and the c.i.a., iran is not creating the nuclear ability to create atomic weapons but solely peaceful electricity productive capacity.
iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. america in afghanistan and every other bananistan, india and pakistan but most of all israel that reportedly has 300 nuclear weapons and refuses to sign up to the non proliferation treaty which iran has.
israel has bombed gaza many times, bombed and invaded lebanon many times, bombed syria and bombed the uss liberty during or rather at the beginning of the 1967 war. it even attacked and killed people on an aid ship delivering vital humanitarian aid to gaza.
deliberately, haveyourdinnerdad was misquoted. he never said anything of the sort about wiping israel, i mean palestine, off the face of the earth.
the war mongering and arab springs are products of psyops created in tel aviv, wall street and the city of london to overthrow existing regimes in the middle east to secure oil, gas and minerals for the west but more importantly, to prevent india and china from obtaining the same.
the figure of 9 thousand dead in syria as a result of the syrian regimes crack down on peaceful ? protesters is pure fabrication. the syrian free army is the priduct of western intelligence and special forces.
the danger does not come from iran, but western agression that the whole of the world can plainly see because the are not so inundated with with the propaganda and media control that exists here.
the greatest danger comes from a false flag (gulf of tonkin) incident perpetrated by the west/israel. not iran.
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iran has never attacked another country
according to the international watchdog, the international atomic energy authority and the c.i.a., iran is not creating the nuclear ability to create atomic weapons but solely peaceful electricity productive capacity.
iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. america in afghanistan and every other bananistan, india and pakistan but most of all israel that reportedly has 300 nuclear weapons and refuses to sign up to the non proliferation treaty which iran has.
israel has bombed gaza many times, bombed and invaded lebanon many times, bombed syria and bombed the uss liberty during or rather at the beginning of the 1967 war. it even attacked and killed people on an aid ship delivering vital humanitarian aid to gaza.
deliberately, haveyourdinnerdad was misquoted. he never said anything of the sort about wiping israel, i mean palestine, off the face of the earth.
the war mongering and arab springs are products of psyops created in tel aviv, wall street and the city of london to overthrow existing regimes in the middle east to secure oil, gas and minerals for the west but more importantly, to prevent india and china from obtaining the same.
the figure of 9 thousand dead in syria as a result of the syrian regimes crack down on peaceful ? protesters is pure fabrication. the syrian free army is the priduct of western intelligence and special forces.
the danger does not come from iran, but western agression that the whole of the world can plainly see because the are not so inundated with with the propaganda and media control that exists here.
the greatest danger comes from a false flag (gulf of tonkin) incident perpetrated by the west/israel. not iran.
Well, not beyond the realms I guess
I don't disagree with the basis of this, but that only goes to reinforce what I am saying, Israel is saying it is going to nuke Irans Nuclear Facilities, and if thier history is anything to go by they will do it, they have never cared what the rest of the world say, after the holocaust they said "never again" and they meant it, right or wrong doesn't come into it, they will do it and that IS what matters, as I said we have not been this close to a nuclear war since the Cuba Missile Crisis, then someone backed down, I don't think there is any back down in either Israel or Iran and if anyone believes that a nuclear war in the middle east will not effect the rest of the world ...... think again
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iran has never attacked another country
according to the international watchdog, the international atomic energy authority and the c.i.a., iran is not creating the nuclear ability to create atomic weapons but solely peaceful electricity productive capacity.
iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. america in afghanistan and every other bananistan, india and pakistan but most of all israel that reportedly has 300 nuclear weapons and refuses to sign up to the non proliferation treaty which iran has.
israel has bombed gaza many times, bombed and invaded lebanon many times, bombed syria and bombed the uss liberty during or rather at the beginning of the 1967 war. it even attacked and killed people on an aid ship delivering vital humanitarian aid to gaza.
deliberately, haveyourdinnerdad was misquoted. he never said anything of the sort about wiping israel, i mean palestine, off the face of the earth.
the war mongering and arab springs are products of psyops created in tel aviv, wall street and the city of london to overthrow existing regimes in the middle east to secure oil, gas and minerals for the west but more importantly, to prevent india and china from obtaining the same.
the figure of 9 thousand dead in syria as a result of the syrian regimes crack down on peaceful ? protesters is pure fabrication. the syrian free army is the priduct of western intelligence and special forces.
the danger does not come from iran, but western agression that the whole of the world can plainly see because the are not so inundated with with the propaganda and media control that exists here.
the greatest danger comes from a false flag (gulf of tonkin) incident perpetrated by the west/israel. not iran.
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israel has bombed gaza many times, bombed and invaded lebanon many times, bombed syria and bombed the uss liberty during or rather at the beginning of the 1967 war. it even attacked and killed people on an aid ship delivering vital humanitarian aid to gaza.
just to balance things up a bit. the way you are talking gulson is to blame israel for everything.
why should israel not be able to defend itself from her aggressors?
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deliberately, haveyourdinnerdad was misquoted. he never said anything of the sort about wiping israel, i mean palestine, off the face of the earth.
nitpicking there gulson. the words he used have been studied but for many they were clear.
The Iranian presidential website stated that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."
now i know what that sounds like to me gulson. but then it could be just a conspiracy thingy i suppose
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the war mongering and arab springs are products of psyops created in tel aviv, wall street and the city of london to overthrow existing regimes in the middle east to secure oil, gas and minerals for the west but more importantly, to prevent india and china from obtaining the same.
and of course gulson you have pots of evidence of this
i mean reel evidence not just another of your thought processes.
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the figure of 9 thousand dead in syria as a result of the syrian regimes crack down on peaceful ? protesters is pure fabrication. the syrian free army is the priduct of western intelligence and special forces.
evidence please??? :jagsatwork:
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the danger does not come from iran, but western agression that the whole of the world can plainly see because the are not so inundated with with the propaganda and media control that exists here.
the greatest danger comes from a false flag (gulf of tonkin) incident perpetrated by the west/israel. not iran.
sorry gulson but the whole context of that rant without any facts or a shred of evidence except for what you think, is a massive anti Jewish rant.
of course if you can supply the evidence i am sure i will have a look, but looking back over some of your previous posts of months and years gone by, it is clear you are a ranter but when asked to supply evidence you simply cannot. i am sure that max who has asked you a million times for factual evidence, but has just been met with a wall of silence.:notes:
i for the record am not anti anything but israel as usual are called the aggressors, when they are only on many occasions acting in self defence of its borders and its peeple.
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sorry gulson but the whole context of that rant without any facts or a shred of evidence except for what you think, is a massive anti Jewish rant.
A baseless accusation. It was nice to read Gulsons informed, intelligent and well considered post. This is my opinion and will not be supported with a quote from Makeitupapedia.
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sorry gulson but the whole context of that rant without any facts or a shred of evidence except for what you think, is a massive anti Jewish rant.
A baseless accusation. It was nice to read Gulsons informed, intelligent and well considered post. This is my opinion and will not be supported with a quote from Makeitupapedia.
as usual ben many thanks for your reasoned response
so seeing as you think the links i have supplied are " made up " and i am not going to bother to waste any of my time providing you with other links with more substance in them, as it is cleer that no matter what someone puts up, you will rubbish based on your "opinion"
but just because i can and from an un biased source as that great british institution that is the BBC , how about now scoffing at this link as well then ben, and make yourself look even sillier than you have done above.
no "! make it up " there ben :thumbup:
as an after thought though, instead of rubbishing peeples links on here, what about spending your time trying to disprove those links with some facts of your own
peeple may well look on that as a more reasoned response.:doh:
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sorry gulson but the whole context of that rant without any facts or a shred of evidence except for what you think, is a massive anti Jewish rant.
A baseless accusation. It was nice to read Gulsons informed, intelligent and well considered post. This is my opinion and will not be supported with a quote from Makeitupapedia.
as usual ben many thanks for your reasoned response
so seeing as you think the links i have supplied are " made up " and i am not going to bother to waste any of my time providing you with other links with more substance in them, as it is cleer that no matter what someone puts up, you will rubbish based on your "opinion"
but just because i can and from an un biased source as that great british institution that is the BBC , how about now scoffing at this link as well then ben, and make yourself look even sillier than you have done above.
no "! make it up " there ben :thumbup:
as an after thought though, instead of rubbishing peeples links on here, what about spending your time trying to disprove those links with some facts of your own
peeple may well look on that as a more reasoned response.:doh:
Star,
All for well reasoned and informed debate.
However looking at couldn't help but notice Last Updated: Monday, 29 January 2007, 10:27 GMT.
Whilst a good informative article at the time, in the 5 years since things have moved on and none more so than in the Middle East, especially so within both Isreali and Iranian politics never mind other things in this Region, e.g. the 2011 Arab Spring, Libya, Syria, etc.
Re the 2 likely protaganists, the more recent media reporting of covert operations being undertaken within Iran, together with Iranian military excercises in the 'Straights', have dramatically changed tensions and therefore the situation.
I read about a bloke who said he wanted to wipe out all the jews in the world, he did his best to bring about his dream and managed to kill off quite a few million of them, then most of the rest of the world stood up against him, hung a lot of his helpers and stopped his regime, when they had finished they said "never again"
a country will drop MOAB on iran's nuclear facilities vaporising the whole area if things get so bad.
And of course everyone will deny knowledge of being involved.
only one country has dropped a plutonium bomb and a atomic bomb on people with intent.
i wouldnt rule out it happening again.
which is very sad as we all have the right to live without fear from this nightmare.
And of course everyone will deny knowledge of being involved.
only one country has dropped a plutonium bomb and a atomic bomb on people with intent.
i wouldnt rule out it happening again.
which is very sad as we all have the right to live without fear from this nightmare.
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Star,
All for well reasoned and informed debate.
However looking at couldn't help but notice Last Updated: Monday, 29 January 2007, 10:27 GMT.
i am fully aware of the articles date HNS. the fact i was trying to make cleer ( and obviously not well enough ) was that israel are not the perpetrator as some would have us date of the article in that respect is inconsequential.
would you like me to find a more updated fact sheet for you HNS? as i am sure there are a few out there. israel have a right to defend both there land and there peeple. if peeple do not like that do you realy think that israel give a damn
can you imagine what it must be like living with suicide bombers from Palestine on a daily basis.
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Star,
All for well reasoned and informed debate.
However looking at couldn't help but notice Last Updated: Monday, 29 January 2007, 10:27 GMT.
i am fully aware of the articles date HNS. the fact i was trying to make cleer ( and obviously not well enough ) was that israel are not the perpetrator as some would have us date of the article in that respect is inconsequential.
would you like me to find a more updated fact sheet for you HNS? as i am sure there are a few out there. israel have a right to defend both there land and there peeple. if peeple do not like that do you realy think that israel give a damn
can you imagine what it must be like living with suicide bombers from Palestine on a daily basis.
Missed the point again Star, ho well
Personally not bothered about the rights and wrongs of this situation for both sides, but I have checked the long term dry food stock in my cellar, topped up on my fresh water supplies and increased my stock of everything to get me through a period of "unavailabiliy" 
the consequences are more important to me than the politics of the situation right now.
the consequences are more important to me than the politics of the situation right now. Quote by MidsCouple24
Personally not bothered about the rights and wrongs of this situation for both sides, but I have checked the long term dry food stock in my cellar, topped up on my fresh water supplies and increased my stock of everything to get me through a period of "unavailabiliy"
hmmmmm let me guess mids.
you have 100 jerry cans worth of fuel in your garage " just in case ".
dont you think you are over reacting just a wee bit
no wonder our petrol stations run out, as the old British can be a bit paranoid at times. :doh:
not a strike in sight for fuel and we are behaving as though it is the end of the world, and obviously some peeple think the end of the world could possibly be nigh. where is the swoon emotion again?
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Personally not bothered about the rights and wrongs of this situation for both sides, but I have checked the long term dry food stock in my cellar, topped up on my fresh water supplies and increased my stock of everything to get me through a period of "unavailabiliy"
hmmmmm let me guess mids.
you have 100 jerry cans worth of fuel in your garage " just in case ".
dont you think you are over reacting just a wee bit
no wonder our petrol stations run out, as the old British can be a bit paranoid at times. :doh:
not a strike in sight for fuel and we are behaving as though it is the end of the world, and obviously some peeple think the end of the world could possibly be nigh. where is the swoon emotion again?
errrrr why would I want fuel in the event of a Nuclear Strike in the middle east ? I am unlikely to drive anywhere as I said in the petrol thread, a full tank of diesel will last me around 3 months during normal times so I don't feel the need to stock up on that for a simple short fuel strike.
As a former soldier with masses of storage space in my home I do stock up on essential items at all times, this includes, dry foods (pasta, pulses, cereal, chocolate, peanuts (energy stuffs) long life milk, tinned goods, water purification tablets, medicines, cold weather clothing, portable gas stove and gas bottles, wind up lighting and radio, masses of fresh water, chemical toilet, salt, etc etc, I can take care of my family for around 6 months without going out. In this day and age of unexpected violent weather, strikes, war and the collapse of economies I just see this as "why not I have the space", I turn the stuff over by using the last bought first always replacing it with newer stock, some consider things like this as alarmist and extreme, I see it as a simple precaution against things being in short supply for any reason and as my obligation to my family.
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Personally not bothered about the rights and wrongs of this situation for both sides, but I have checked the long term dry food stock in my cellar, topped up on my fresh water supplies and increased my stock of everything to get me through a period of "unavailabiliy"
hmmmmm let me guess mids.
you have 100 jerry cans worth of fuel in your garage " just in case ".
dont you think you are over reacting just a wee bit
no wonder our petrol stations run out, as the old British can be a bit paranoid at times. :doh:
not a strike in sight for fuel and we are behaving as though it is the end of the world, and obviously some peeple think the end of the world could possibly be nigh. where is the swoon emotion again?
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As a former soldier with masses of storage space in my home I do stock up on essential items at all times, this includes, dry foods (pasta, pulses, cereal, chocolate, peanuts (energy stuffs) long life milk, tinned goods, water purification tablets, medicines, cold weather clothing, portable gas stove and gas bottles, wind up lighting and radio, masses of fresh water, chemical toilet, salt, etc etc, I can take care of my family for around 6 months without going out. In this day and age of unexpected violent weather, strikes, war and the collapse of economies I just see this as "why not I have the space", I turn the stuff over by using the last bought first always replacing it with newer stock, some consider things like this as alarmist and extreme, I see it as a simple precaution against things being in short supply for any reason and as my obligation to my family.
yes mids i can certainly see how you would need all those things after a nuclear bomb had been dropped on your street. :doh:
even if the bomb landed 50 miles away from your house i think the infastructure of the uk would not be reely the same mids. also the radiation in the air would last a bit longer than the 6 months you have stacked up for, so either way you are doomed mids.
as i say mids, a bit of an over reaction.
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Personally not bothered about the rights and wrongs of this situation for both sides, but I have checked the long term dry food stock in my cellar, topped up on my fresh water supplies and increased my stock of everything to get me through a period of "unavailabiliy"
hmmmmm let me guess mids.
you have 100 jerry cans worth of fuel in your garage " just in case ".
dont you think you are over reacting just a wee bit
no wonder our petrol stations run out, as the old British can be a bit paranoid at times. :doh:
not a strike in sight for fuel and we are behaving as though it is the end of the world, and obviously some peeple think the end of the world could possibly be nigh. where is the swoon emotion again?
errrrr why would I want fuel in the event of a Nuclear Strike in the middle east ? I am unlikely to drive anywhere as I said in the petrol thread, a full tank of diesel will last me around 3 months during normal times so I don't feel the need to stock up on that for a simple short fuel strike.
As a former soldier with masses of storage space in my home I do stock up on essential items at all times, this includes, dry foods (pasta, pulses, cereal, chocolate, peanuts (energy stuffs) long life milk, tinned goods, water purification tablets, medicines, cold weather clothing, portable gas stove and gas bottles, wind up lighting and radio, masses of fresh water, chemical toilet, salt, etc etc, I can take care of my family for around 6 months without going out. In this day and age of unexpected violent weather, strikes, war and the collapse of economies I just see this as "why not I have the space", I turn the stuff over by using the last bought first always replacing it with newer stock, some consider things like this as alarmist and extreme, I see it as a simple precaution against things being in short supply for any reason and as my obligation to my family.
We stock similar things, not necessarily for an emergency, but for other reasons,. but if the occasion arose.....
My children, for instance, can all make fire with friction or a fire piston, . We make our own 24 hour ration packs and vac seal them in indevidual bags. They contain lost of dehydrated foods and energy foods, breakfast dinner supper and snacks. This morning we left for the woods at 5am, we grabbed a ration pack each and off we go for the day. We have water and our Swedish Army Mess Kit, every thing else is in the 4X4. We have all this type of equipment as it suits our way of life, but would prove very useful in an emergency.
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yes mids i can certainly see how you would need all those things after a nuclear bomb had been dropped on your street. :doh:
even if the bomb landed 50 miles away from your house i think the infastructure of the uk would not be reely the same mids. also the radiation in the air would last a bit longer than the 6 months you have stacked up for, so either way you are doomed mids.
as i say mids, a bit of an over reaction.
You need to bone up on nuclear warfare me thinks.
It is highly unlikely that a 'bomb' would be dropped on your street or that it might land 50 miles away.
Mostly, nuclear weapons are 'air-bursts' which cause greater collateral damage over a wider area, particularly to communication systems - the murdering of citizens is then left to heavily armed feral gangs roaming wild, killing and looting everything in sight.
You should look for a copy of the book 'When the wind blows' or link for the U-Tube version.
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Little Boy, Hiroshima
The bomb employed a fusing system that was designed to detonate the bomb at the most destructive altitude. Calculations showed that for the largest destructive effect, the bomb should explode at an altitude of 580 meters (1,900 feet).
The bomb employed a fusing system that was designed to detonate the bomb at the most destructive altitude. Calculations showed that for the largest destructive effect, the bomb should explode at an altitude of 580 meters (1,900 feet).
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You need to bone up on nuclear warfare me thinks.
It is highly unlikely that a 'bomb' would be dropped on your street or that it might land 50 miles away.
i am glad the highlighted word is there, so not impossible.
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Mostly, nuclear weapons are 'air-bursts' which cause greater collateral damage over a wider area, particularly to communication systems - the murdering of citizens is then left to heavily armed feral gangs roaming wild, killing and looting everything in sight.
you just watched a mad max film then>?
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You should look for a copy of the book 'When the wind blows' or link here for the U-Tube version.
as i would presume that nobody here is a nuclear scientist, then i would presume that every thing else is pure guesswork as to the after effects of a 2012 nuclear bomb. what i do know is stocking up if a bomb lands anywhere near you will be futile.
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as i would presume that nobody here is a nuclear scientist, then i would presume that every thing else is pure guesswork as to the after effects of a 2012 nuclear bomb. what i do know is stocking up if a bomb lands anywhere near you will be futile.
Not so. These things are being tested all the time for the 'best effect'.
It's just not done in E13, Plaistow, Greater London that's all :lol2:
But don't make light of what mids has said. You have no idea where an airburst will hit and what initial damage it may do over a wide area. You may be spared the worst effects of that (witness survivors from Hiroshima) and good preparation will stand you in good stead to survive for long enough for some semblance of order to emerge and for you to be evacuated or to find a place of safety.
It's not impossible, so stack the cards in your favour.
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You may be spared the worst effects of that (witness survivors from Hiroshima) and good preparation will stand you in good stead to survive for long enough for some semblance of order to emerge and for you to be evacuated or to find a place of safety.
hiroshima gnv?
have you any idea how much more powerful the bombs of today are gnv? as far as i remember those bombs that went off during ww2, are only a tenth of the devastation that a bomb would do today. i would presume that a bomb dropped today is possible to destroy the whole of the uk. but then again maybe i should get ben to ask his father in law as to the after effects of a 2012 nuclear bomb.
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It's not impossible, so stack the cards in your favour.
nothing is impossible but hardly unlikely. i will take the gamble on not bothering to stack up and save my money for fuel to get me to work. :thumbup:
