Obesity

8 May 2013

Quote by deancannock
We should all be encouraged towards a healthy lifestyle, but please think a little before lumping all overweight people as being lazy, and simply sitting there and eating cakes and chocolate. It is more complex than that !!!

Of course we should Dean, but in many cases we are talking about adults, people who are allegedly responsible. I am not too worried about adults Dean as that is their decision to eat and become overweight, I am more concerned with the children who become obese at the age of 11 or 12. Often I see overweight parents with the obvious signs of overweight children and I believe that is a form of abuse.
Yes there are many reasons as to why people are overweight Dean, but there are enough services out there to help you IF that is what you want to do. Sadly many people are just too damn lazy to do anything about it, sorry Dean but that is true. Microwave meals ding out for so many kids nowadays from parents who would not know a decent meal from a bad one. Education is the answer Dean. As I say I am not really bothered about an adult who decides for whatever reason to eat and eat and become obese as that is of course their decision to do so, but the children will also turn into the overweights of the future and they are the ones that need to be educated through school etc, as we cannot rely on overweight parents to educate their kids themselves.........can we?

8 May 2013

Interesting post with some comments and issues close to our hearts.
Weight creep, it happens and for lots of reasons however I think one of the biggest changes over the last 40 years is lifestype changes.
Society has gone from living close to our work places and walking, riding bikes to work then doing an active job, with the wife at home running round trying to keep it clean, walking to the local shop to buy the nights dinner etc. The frugal nature coming out of the war also stayed with society for decades, right through to the 1980's my parents were always concerned with waste.
Todays society is geared around convenience, drive to the shop, drive the kids to school ready meals for dinner, snack foods for that hunger pang. Disposable income for a good part of society has risen with the bottles of wine with dinner, meals out and take aways affordable and the lazy way out. And all the time the weight creeps up. Add to that time pressures and a lack of mental strength to do something about and the weight creeps up.
I'm sure as some of the earlier posters have stated, there are chemicals added to processed food to encourage us to eat more (as per cigerates, no point having something that someone can turn on and off easy).
mental strength - we have also become an instant society that want immediate results and can become disillusioned when all the changes we make don't work straight away, short term goals never planning for long term.
We're working on our lifestyle changes (in more ways than one having come out of the woodwork on this site lol

) but its difficult again as per previous poster probably our age. We don't buy processed food or ready meals, have very few takeaways or meals out, we don't own a deepfat fryer or fry foods, have cut back on red meats and cook almost everything from the raw ingredients to little effect. We have now moved on to regular exercise and restricting the wine intake :sad: (thats the difficult one, far too easy to reach for a glass of an evening).
In the end if your calorie intake exceeds your bodies calorie usage the weight keeps creeping. Unless you want to starve yourself the answer is always going to be keeping very active and/or regular excerise (which is path we are now on).

8 May 2013

Quote by Gerty35
Interesting post with some comments and issues close to our hearts.
Weight creep, it happens and for lots of reasons however I think one of the biggest changes over the last 40 years is lifestype changes.
Society has gone from living close to our work places and walking, riding bikes to work then doing an active job, with the wife at home running round trying to keep it clean, walking to the local shop to buy the nights dinner etc. The frugal nature coming out of the war also stayed with society for decades, right through to the 1980's my parents were always concerned with waste.
Todays society is geared around convenience, drive to the shop, drive the kids to school ready meals for dinner, snack foods for that hunger pang. Disposable income for a good part of society has risen with the bottles of wine with dinner, meals out and take aways affordable and the lazy way out. And all the time the weight creeps up. Add to that time pressures and a lack of mental strength to do something about and the weight creeps up.
I'm sure as some of the earlier posters have stated, there are chemicals added to processed food to encourage us to eat more (as per cigerates, no point having something that someone can turn on and off easy).
mental strength - we have also become an instant society that want immediate results and can become disillusioned when all the changes we make don't work straight away, short term goals never planning for long term.
We're working on our lifestyle changes (in more ways than one having come out of the woodwork on this site ) but its difficult again as per previous poster probably our age. We don't buy processed food or ready meals, have very few takeaways or meals out, we don't own a deepfat fryer or fry foods, have cut back on red meats and cook almost everything from the raw ingredients to little effect. We have now moved on to regular exercise and restricting the wine intake :sad: (thats the difficult one, far too easy to reach for a glass of an evening).
In the end if your calorie intake exceeds your bodies calorie usage the weight keeps creeping. Unless you want to starve yourself the answer is always going to be keeping very active and/or regular excerise (which is path we are now on).

A good post. :thumbup:

8 May 2013

Quote by Lizaleanrob
I'm now really not getting this thread
we have people who are or have been admittedly overweight complaining about people that are more overweight than them ..............Really!!!!!!

Because the thread is not about being overweight as I stated in the very first post, it is about obesity, clinical obesity and it's effect on society financially and otherwise.
There is a big difference between being overweight and being obese, being complacent to obesity is as big an issue for the government as smoking is, or it should be, we are still allowing people to harm themselves and become a financial burden, we did something about smokers but we as a nation do very little about obesity yet the death toll is similar.
Isn't it funny how it has always been acceptable to say to a smoker, what you do makes you smell, it's a disgusting filthy habit yet you cannot say the same to an obese person so easily.

8 May 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Because the thread is not about being overweight as I stated in the very first post, it is about obesity, clinical obesity and it's effect on society financially and otherwise.

Mids. Any kind of being overweight has health issues that can have an affect on society and the financial burdens it brings.

Quote by MidsCouple24
There is a big difference between being overweight and being obese, being complacent to obesity is as big an issue for the government as smoking is, or it should be, we are still allowing people to harm themselves and become a financial burden, we did something about smokers but we as a nation do very little about obesity yet the death toll is similar.

Allow people? We all know Mids the dangers of smoking but people choose still to do it. The same can be said with foods. People know a KFC or a nice greasy fry up is not good for you, but people still do it. I agree that labeling should be made better, but no matter how good a label is on a nice juicy Big Mac people will still eat it. For adults there is all the information available to you if you can be bothered to look for it, with children that is not always the case as they rely on their parents who are feeding them. Schools have tried to adopt a sensible approach to what a child eats in school, but when they get home the parents just carry on feeding them crap and easy to cook meals straight from the microwave or take away shops.

Quote by MidsCouple24
Isn't it funny how it has always been acceptable to say to a smoker, what you do makes you smell, it's a disgusting filthy habit yet you cannot say the same to an obese person so easily.

I have never had anyone say to me I stink when I used to smoke Mids. It is a disgusting filthy and a harmful habit, as the same can be said for eating too much and becoming obese or worse.

8 May 2013

A good post. :thumbup:
Thank you star, we're trying to join in with sensible comments but its difficult sometimes as you guys are sooooo serious !

8 May 2013

Quote by Gerty35
A good post. :thumbup:

Thank you star, we're trying to join in with sensible comments but its difficult sometimes as you guys are sooooo serious !
No we only joke with each other Gerty lol

The forum can always do with new posters as it just gets plain boring with the same ones. wink

8 May 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Because the thread is not about being overweight as I stated in the very first post, it is about obesity, clinical obesity and it's effect on society financially and otherwise.

Mids. Any kind of being overweight has health issues that can have an affect on society and the financial burdens it brings.
Perhaps but in 58 years I have only ever once been treated for problems connected with my weight, I did see a doctor and was put on a strict diet to alleviate the condition, being in the army at the time I was given a doctors note that I could produce each mealtime at the cookhouse to ensure my dietry needs were met, my diet was more food, more protein and basically as much as I could eat, two steaks not one if I wanted, extra veg etc, I was underweight and my diet was designed to increase my weight. These days I do carry more that I would like as I said earlier, but in 42 years I have never had to see a doctor or nurse for an overweight related problem, I have never recieved benefits or special treatment for an overweight problem, again as I have already said, I have my standard medical for the "over 50s" a month ago and whilst the doctor encouraged me to stop smoking and agreed I was carrying an extra stone or so he said I was in remarkable health for my age with a good level of fitness.
I have also said in other threads, that I have been accepted for entry to the 2015 London Marathon, when I will be 60 years old, my goal is not only to finnish but to set a New World Record, and I honestly believe I can, ok a NWR for over 60s but still a world record
SO how can you say ANY kind of being overweight has health issues that can have an affect on society and where am I a financial burden to society

Quote by MidsCouple24
There is a big difference between being overweight and being obese, being complacent to obesity is as big an issue for the government as smoking is, or it should be, we are still allowing people to harm themselves and become a financial burden, we did something about smokers but we as a nation do very little about obesity yet the death toll is similar.

Allow people? We all know Mids the dangers of smoking but people choose still to do it. The same can be said with foods. People know a KFC or a nice greasy fry up is not good for you, but people still do it. I agree that labeling should be made better, but no matter how good a label is on a nice juicy Big Mac people will still eat it. For adults there is all the information available to you if you can be bothered to look for it, with children that is not always the case as they rely on their parents who are feeding them. Schools have tried to adopt a sensible approach to what a child eats in school, but when they get home the parents just carry on feeding them crap and easy to cook meals straight from the microwave or take away shops.

Quote by MidsCouple24
Isn't it funny how it has always been acceptable to say to a smoker, what you do makes you smell, it's a disgusting filthy habit yet you cannot say the same to an obese person so easily.

I have never had anyone say to me I stink when I used to smoke Mids. It is a disgusting filthy and a harmful habit, as the same can be said for eating too much and becoming obese or worse.
I have and I agree with them, my clothing smells of smoke, my car smells of smoke, yes I carry those handy mini sprays of deoderant and fresh breath sprays but it still happens.
But I have stood next to many an obese person in supermarkets and the like, the smell of sweat and bad body odour can be overpowering sometimes and whislt this is not limited to obese people it is a problem that can be exajerated by sweat being produced in folds of skin and trapped there.

8 May 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
A good post. :thumbup:

Thank you star, we're trying to join in with sensible comments but its difficult sometimes as you guys are sooooo serious !
No we only joke with each other Gerty lol

The forum can always do with new posters as it just gets plain boring with the same ones. wink

I dont find it all jokey, i find some posts very hurtful (not to me but to others) and nasty and spiteful ... but im sure you and others like that !

8 May 2013

Glad that some the people who post in here ain't running the country as being a fat guy I would probably of been made illegal and destroyed by now along with many others. Jesus Christ sometimes I just wonder at the lack of humanity.

8 May 2013

Quote by nellie-mwgc
A good post. :thumbup:

Thank you star, we're trying to join in with sensible comments but its difficult sometimes as you guys are sooooo serious !
No we only joke with each other Gerty lol

The forum can always do with new posters as it just gets plain boring with the same ones. wink

I dont find it all jokey, i find some posts very hurtful (not to me but to others) and nasty and spiteful ... but im sure you and others like that !
Sorry Nellie but life can be one cruel Mother at times. Seems like you want fluffy bunny stuff? :wink:

9 May 2013

Quote by Lost
Glad that some the people who post in here ain't running the country as being a fat guy I would probably of been made illegal and destroyed by now along with many others. Jesus Christ sometimes I just wonder at the lack of humanity.

:thumbup::thumbup:

17 Jan 2014

No but you may be banned from eating in public places lol

ITV tonight Weight Loss Ward opens with the statement that by 2050 obesity will cost the NHS £50 Billion per year and that the average weight in the UK today is Overweight. This does not include the other costs such as Mobility allowances, carers allowances, Disability Living Allowances etc paid by the benefits system.
Sunderland is one of the fattest places in the UK where 25% of the population is DANGEROUSLY overweight.
One of the subjects is 5ft 11ins and 31 stone, she says it is because she is greedy, she is having constant medical treatment and has a daily carer to help her, her dog is clinically abuse from living on the titbits she feeds it.
In many cases adult obesity leads to child abuse and animal abuse, but no action is taken against the abusers, feeding your children or pets to the extent they become clinically and dangerously obese is abuse. For children it leads to bullying and death, Yes folks you are killing your kids.

17 Jan 2014

Quote by MidsCouple24
No but you may be banned from eating in public places
ITV tonight Weight Loss Ward opens with the statement that by 2050 obesity will cost the NHS £50 Billion per year and that the average weight in the UK today is Overweight. This does not include the other costs such as Mobility allowances, carers allowances, Disability Living Allowances etc paid by the benefits system.
Sunderland is one of the fattest places in the UK where 25% of the population is DANGEROUSLY overweight.
One of the subjects is 5ft 11ins and 31 stone, she says it is because she is greedy, she is having constant medical treatment and has a daily carer to help her, her dog is clinically abuse from living on the titbits she feeds it.
In many cases adult obesity leads to child abuse and animal abuse, but no action is taken against the abusers, feeding your children or pets to the extent they become clinically and dangerously obese is abuse. For children it leads to bullying and death, Yes folks you are killing your kids.

and these are ???
ffs mids its not about how much food you can stuff in your mouth
you obviously never watched the link i supplied and your inability to understand how the body process sugar as against the likes of corn sugars, will leave you one of life's ignorants to the problem forever

:banghead::banghead:

18 Jan 2014

Quote by MidsCouple24
No but you may be banned from eating in public places
ITV tonight Weight Loss Ward opens with the statement that by 2050 obesity will cost the NHS £50 Billion per year and that the average weight in the UK today is Overweight. This does not include the other costs such as Mobility allowances, carers allowances, Disability Living Allowances etc paid by the benefits system.
Sunderland is one of the fattest places in the UK where 25% of the population is DANGEROUSLY overweight.
One of the subjects is 5ft 11ins and 31 stone, she says it is because she is greedy, she is having constant medical treatment and has a daily carer to help her, her dog is clinically abuse from living on the titbits she feeds it.
In many cases adult obesity leads to child abuse and animal abuse, but no action is taken against the abusers, feeding your children or pets to the extent they become clinically and dangerously obese is abuse. For children it leads to bullying and death, Yes folks you are killing your kids.

:shock:

:eeek:
Wow, they make those programmes for people like you.

18 Jan 2014

Quote by Lizaleanrob
....Loads of hyped up shite....

and these are ???
ffs mids its not about how much food you can stuff in your mouth
you obviously never watched the link i supplied and your inability to understand how the body process sugar as against the likes of corn sugars, will leave you one of life's ignorants to the problem forever

:banghead::banghead:
Yep :thumbup:

18 Jan 2014

Quote by Lizaleanrob
I'm now really not getting this thread
we have people who are or have been admittedly overweight complaining about people that are more overweight than them ..............Really!!!!!!

The thread was started about obesity, not being large, not about carrying some extra weight, it is about obesity a life threatening condition that puts peoples lives in danger, themselves and their families under duress and in some cases endangers the lives of their children and even their pets, some people seem very self conscious about carrying some extra weight and see it as talking about them, if your not obese, not in danger of developing obesity related illnesses such as diabetes, not putting your children in danger through failure to control their diet, not costing the NHS vast amounts to cure your greed it is not about you.
I have said that a lot of these people need help, that I sympathise with the eating disorder they have, I have accepted that not all obesity is due to greed but people seem to read only what they want to hear, if you think your obese I would like to think there was some sympathetic help available just the same as if you think your anorexic and need help.

18 Jan 2014

Quote by starlightcouple

Some of these people have my sympathy, I guess they all have because I doubt many of them choose to be thier weight but I also think about the added burden on the NHS and fire service.

sorry mids they do not get mine. in the vast majority of these kinds of cases it is self inflicted. these peeple have very low self esteems, and comfort eat. it is without a doubt a mental illness. but often these peeple choose to live there lives in this fashion. so i have no sympathy at all for anyone who deliberately eats to such an excess that they end of being a massive burden on themselves and the NHS and more importantly seriously damaging there own health to the point in some cases of literally eating yourself to death.

Quote by MidsCouple24
The very subject itself can invoke a passionate response both positive and negative.

i do not see anything positive at all with peeple who get to 35 stone and over, there are only negatives .

Quote by MidsCouple24
Is there anything that can be done to ease thier suffering and ease the burden on the rest of us because it is a burden.

stop the food from coming into the house at source. how can we possibly do that? we cannot so peeple will continue to live there lives around food, and then blame everything and everyone else for there problems except the real problem,,, there inability to stop eating. harsh maybe mids, but the truth.
Starlightcouple, how can you make assumptions about them having low self esteem? Is this something you've gone through personally? I knew a man who was obese. Hit by car in his early 40s. His back was in tatters, his spine wrecked! This was a man who was actively fit, into rock climbing and diving before what had happened. He tried to get compensation for the accident, sods law - the woman responsible was married to a high flying policeman constable! Chances of him getting compensation? Nil poi! All his life he battled with his back, in immense pain. Sometimes wheelchair bound and walking with a stick left him in terrible pain. He could not walk long enough to rid his once fit body from food, exercise was out the question. Add many years of being inactive and not being able to exercise, he ended up obese.
You shouldn't make assumptions.

18 Jan 2014

flirty,
Starlight has left the building,
Mal
wink

18 Jan 2014

Quote by Mal
flirty,
Starlight has left the building,
Mal

Did he fall, or was he pushed?
bolt

18 Jan 2014

Quote by GnV
Did he fall, or was he pushed?

Some angels fall from grace, others are cast out...
and the stars that burn twice as bright are the ones that last half as long...

18 Jan 2014

What happened? lol

18 Jan 2014

Just a thot leading on from the discussion about obesity.
If over weight people have to pay double for airline seats can us skinny feckers get a discount i.e two for the price of one or even bring a pal to squeeze into ma seat lol

All I need noo is another skinny pal or even a pal? :lol: rolleyes

18 Jan 2014

Quote by woohoo
Just a thot leading on from the discussion about obesity.
If over weight people have to pay double for airline seats can us skinny feckers get a discount i.e two for the price of one or even bring a pal to squeeze into ma seat
All I need noo is another skinny pal or even a pal? :lol:

You can give me an extra helping hand with these fun bags of mine please wink

18 Jan 2014

Quote by deancannock
there are so many reasons for people being overweight. Sometimes a life event may send someone into depression and they comfort eat. Some people have a low self esteem and have eating is once again a comfort zone. Some people have a poor mobility and so put on weight as not active. I myself used to run marathons, and had a diet and appetite to go with it. As I was training 100 miles a week, not a problem as all was burned off. when ankles and knees started to creak and I stopped, the appetite was still there and was very difficult to adjust. Also maybe we need to look at the food manufacturers, and maybe tax anything above say 40% in fat !!! I looked other day at a packet of sausages in onion gravy. looked very nice....looked at fat level and was 79% !!! That's basically the daily allowance for a man !!! Just a little along was low fat range....and they had sausages in onion gravy...at 22%. Why the need for all that extra fat !!!
We should all be encouraged towards a healthy lifestyle, but please think a little before lumping all overweight people as being lazy, and simply sitting there and eating cakes and chocolate. It is more complex than that !!!

I've been super fit myself and size I am now is the biggest I have been and don't plan on getting bigger! I for one can say my only excuse for gaining weight is down to the loss of my brother, grieving took its toll and wouldn't wish it on anyone but I've bounced back. Yes I may have gained weight, weight can be lost but at least I am alive, happier again and healthy.
You can't predict life's events, none of us know what's around the corner and being a porka / fatty whatever you want to call it, could happen to you one day. It's always easy to point the finger.
One thing I don't agree with is parents who overfeed their kids, that is on a par with abuse in my opinion. I know someone whose daughter is already really fat and the mother whom I know personally eats massive man sized portions. Parents -if they choose to eat huge amounts, at least don't push it onto the defenseless kid.

18 Jan 2014

Quote by flirty_4

Some of these people have my sympathy, I guess they all have because I doubt many of them choose to be thier weight but I also think about the added burden on the NHS and fire service.

sorry mids they do not get mine. in the vast majority of these kinds of cases it is self inflicted. these peeple have very low self esteems, and comfort eat. it is without a doubt a mental illness. but often these peeple choose to live there lives in this fashion. so i have no sympathy at all for anyone who deliberately eats to such an excess that they end of being a massive burden on themselves and the NHS and more importantly seriously damaging there own health to the point in some cases of literally eating yourself to death.

Quote by MidsCouple24
The very subject itself can invoke a passionate response both positive and negative.

i do not see anything positive at all with peeple who get to 35 stone and over, there are only negatives .

Quote by MidsCouple24
Is there anything that can be done to ease thier suffering and ease the burden on the rest of us because it is a burden.

stop the food from coming into the house at source. how can we possibly do that? we cannot so peeple will continue to live there lives around food, and then blame everything and everyone else for there problems except the real problem,,, there inability to stop eating. harsh maybe mids, but the truth.
Starlightcouple, how can you make assumptions about them having low self esteem? Is this something you've gone through personally? I knew a man who was obese. Hit by car in his early 40s. His back was in tatters, his spine wrecked! This was a man who was actively fit, into rock climbing and diving before what had happened. He tried to get compensation for the accident, sods law - the woman responsible was married to a high flying policeman constable! Chances of him getting compensation? Nil poi! All his life he battled with his back, in immense pain. Sometimes wheelchair bound and walking with a stick left him in terrible pain. He could not walk long enough to rid his once fit body from food, exercise was out the question. Add many years of being inactive and not being able to exercise, he ended up obese. You shouldn't make assumptions.
Are you not the one making assumptions or at the very least ALSO making assumptions ?
You say the the woman responsible (was this proved in a court of law thereby entitling victims to criminal compensation) was married to a high flying policeman constable (a basic rank within the police force) to no chance of compensation (as far as I am aware the compensation is not decided by the Police and the employment marital status of the person responsible is not taken into consideration when deciding levels of compensation)
You assume he could not exercise or accept at face value what you have been told, I can tell you that very few disabled people cannot exercise, perhaps only those suffering from such things that disrupt muscle control, Paralympians seem to do quite well with their exercise regime, which is set to each individuals personal abilities.
Perhaps, and that is perhaps not an assumption, an extremely active person who enjoys such things as rock climbing might become depressed and develop a low sense of esteem when suddenly they lose much of their ability.
Personally I have said often in this thread that whilst those whose weight gain is out of their control are no different to those whose weight gain is due to greed, mental problems, depression or any other reason, they all need help, just as drug addicts do, just as anorexics do, just as those with parkinsons disease do, just as anyone does.
The Government have done a lot to help smokers quit, they do a lot (perhaps not enough but that is another discussion) to help drug addicts quit, I believe we as a Nation need to do more to help obese people whatever the reason for their obesity.

18 Jan 2014

Quote by MidsCouple24

Some of these people have my sympathy, I guess they all have because I doubt many of them choose to be thier weight but I also think about the added burden on the NHS and fire service.

sorry mids they do not get mine. in the vast majority of these kinds of cases it is self inflicted. these peeple have very low self esteems, and comfort eat. it is without a doubt a mental illness. but often these peeple choose to live there lives in this fashion. so i have no sympathy at all for anyone who deliberately eats to such an excess that they end of being a massive burden on themselves and the NHS and more importantly seriously damaging there own health to the point in some cases of literally eating yourself to death.

Quote by MidsCouple24
The very subject itself can invoke a passionate response both positive and negative.

i do not see anything positive at all with peeple who get to 35 stone and over, there are only negatives .

Quote by MidsCouple24
Is there anything that can be done to ease thier suffering and ease the burden on the rest of us because it is a burden.

stop the food from coming into the house at source. how can we possibly do that? we cannot so peeple will continue to live there lives around food, and then blame everything and everyone else for there problems except the real problem,,, there inability to stop eating. harsh maybe mids, but the truth.
Starlightcouple, how can you make assumptions about them having low self esteem? Is this something you've gone through personally? I knew a man who was obese. Hit by car in his early 40s. His back was in tatters, his spine wrecked! This was a man who was actively fit, into rock climbing and diving before what had happened. He tried to get compensation for the accident, sods law - the woman responsible was married to a high flying policeman constable! Chances of him getting compensation? Nil poi! All his life he battled with his back, in immense pain. Sometimes wheelchair bound and walking with a stick left him in terrible pain. He could not walk long enough to rid his once fit body from food, exercise was out the question. Add many years of being inactive and not being able to exercise, he ended up obese. You shouldn't make assumptions.
Are you not the one making assumptions or at the very least ALSO making assumptions ?
You say the the woman responsible (was this proved in a court of law thereby entitling victims to criminal compensation) was married to a high flying policeman constable (a basic rank within the police force) to no chance of compensation (as far as I am aware the compensation is not decided by the Police and the employment marital status of the person responsible is not taken into consideration when deciding levels of compensation)
You assume he could not exercise or accept at face value what you have been told, I can tell you that very few disabled people cannot exercise, perhaps only those suffering from such things that disrupt muscle control, Paralympians seem to do quite well with their exercise regime, which is set to each individuals personal abilities.
Perhaps, and that is perhaps not an assumption, an extremely active person who enjoys such things as rock climbing might become depressed and develop a low sense of esteem when suddenly they lose much of their ability.
Personally I have said often in this thread that whilst those whose weight gain is out of their control are no different to those whose weight gain is due to greed, mental problems, depression or any other reason, they all need help, just as drug addicts do, just as anorexics do, just as those with parkinsons disease do, just as anyone does.
The Government have done a lot to help smokers quit, they do a lot (perhaps not enough but that is another discussion) to help drug addicts quit, I believe we as a Nation need to do more to help obese people whatever the reason for their obesity.
Ah right, I get it. So you know it all do you. Lol. I am not making assumptions but nice try for thinking that. I was actually talking about my father and the incident happened back in the 1980s, I was only 3 at the time so is one of my earliest memories. Back then, yes he did try to get compensation and was told by a then solicitor, he wouldn't get far with pursuing a case. He would only end up losing money from the never ending cycle of letters going back and forth.
Maybe times have changed but think about it, officer of the law's wife versus man. Me thinks it's going to be the officer of law's wife who will come out winning regardless.

18 Jan 2014

Ah right, I get it. So you know it all do you. Lol. I am not making assumptions but nice try for thinking that. I was actually talking about my father and the incident happened back in the 1980s, I was only 3 at the time so is one of my earliest memories. Back then, yes he did try to get compensation and was told by a then solicitor, he wouldn't get far with pursuing a case. He would only end up losing money from the never ending cycle of letters going back and forth.
Maybe times have changed but think about it, officer of the law's wife versus man. Me thinks it's going to be the officer of law's wife who will come out winning regardless.
I still don't see the total relevance, with or without compensation people can exercise, people with what I might consider crippling disabilities can achieve greatness in sporting activities, have you not seen the paralympians.
I do not know it all, I base my reasoning on what I do know, if you don't have the full facts you have to go by what facts you are given, the facts are that thousands of people with disabilities achieve greatness, they do it with help from others but mostly from self determination, the same self determination that can be used to combat obesity. I have said that those without that self determination need help, there is no shame in not having the level of self determination needed but that is all the more reason why we should not turn our backs on them and say "they are obese because there is nothing they can do about it"
Exercise is free, free help is available and has been for decades, compensation might be just and might be nice but not having it is not the end. Your father it would seem was unfortunate but there are many unfortunate people who rise above the misfortune and with help more could.

18 Jan 2014

Quote by MidsCouple24
Ah right, I get it. So you know it all do you. Lol. I am not making assumptions but nice try for thinking that. I was actually talking about my father and the incident happened back in the 1980s, I was only 3 at the time so is one of my earliest memories. Back then, yes he did try to get compensation and was told by a then solicitor, he wouldn't get far with pursuing a case. He would only end up losing money from the never ending cycle of letters going back and forth.
Maybe times have changed but think about it, officer of the law's wife versus man. Me thinks it's going to be the officer of law's wife who will come out winning regardless.
I still don't see the total relevance, with or without compensation people can exercise, people with what I might consider crippling disabilities can achieve greatness in sporting activities, have you not seen the paralympians.
I do not know it all, I base my reasoning on what I do know, if you don't have the full facts you have to go by what facts you are given, the facts are that thousands of people with disabilities achieve greatness, they do it with help from others but mostly from self determination, the same self determination that can be used to combat obesity. I have said that those without that self determination need help, there is no shame in not having the level of self determination needed but that is all the more reason why we should not turn our backs on them and say "they are obese because there is nothing they can do about it"
Exercise is free, free help is available and has been for decades, compensation might be just and might be nice but not having it is not the end. Your father it would seem was unfortunate but there are many unfortunate people who rise above the misfortune and with help more could.

You can base your facts on whatever you do know but doesn't stand for all out there. My father's back was in tatters -did you not read that bit? His spine practically fu7ked! He was on morphine and a cocktail of drugs for the pain. On some days he couldn't even sit up, let alone move.
As able bodied people it's always easier to point pokey fingers.

18 Jan 2014

Quote by MidsCouple24
Ah right, I get it. So you know it all do you. Lol. I am not making assumptions but nice try for thinking that. I was actually talking about my father and the incident happened back in the 1980s, I was only 3 at the time so is one of my earliest memories. Back then, yes he did try to get compensation and was told by a then solicitor, he wouldn't get far with pursuing a case. He would only end up losing money from the never ending cycle of letters going back and forth.
Maybe times have changed but think about it, officer of the law's wife versus man. Me thinks it's going to be the officer of law's wife who will come out winning regardless.
I still don't see the total relevance, with or without compensation people can exercise, people with what I might consider crippling disabilities can achieve greatness in sporting activities, have you not seen the paralympians.
I do not know it all, I base my reasoning on what I do know, if you don't have the full facts you have to go by what facts you are given, the facts are that thousands of people with disabilities achieve greatness, they do it with help from others but mostly from self determination, the same self determination that can be used to combat obesity. I have said that those without that self determination need help, there is no shame in not having the level of self determination needed but that is all the more reason why we should not turn our backs on them and say "they are obese because there is nothing they can do about it"
Exercise is free, free help is available and has been for decades, compensation might be just and might be nice but not having it is not the end. Your father it would seem was unfortunate but there are many unfortunate people who rise above the misfortune and with help more could.

Oh and he did rise above it as you put it but if he'd had an operation then to fix his spine, he was told 90%+ chance of being paralysed from neck downwards. It was either that or live his then life permanently in pain. He chose the latter as other options came into it. He was a selfless man.