I don't think that there's anything wrong with me so I must have Deficiency Deficient Disorder.
According to Wiki it does exist.
When the media start printing NEWS instead of VIEWS that might help people who read that trash gain more perspective.
3 years for an assessment?!?! I didn't know it was taking that long :cry:
My Sister's son has adhd and was in fact diagnosed in primary school. She however did not want him labelled so did not go on and start with the special support that they could have given him and also did not tell him that he had been given this diagnosis. He obviously has not used it as an excuse to be naughty as he didn't know he had it. Now it is too late for the support and both she and he regret her decision.
There is an idea that this may well run in families, the autism spectrum thing. My cousin is autistic, my nephew I have just told you about and I am awaiting further information on my daughter (who is not running amok and being ferel by the way) who has issues that she needs help with.
It makes me feel sick when I read in here about OTHER PEOPLE'S kids being refered to as ferel thugs just because of things printed for sensationalism in the media.
I say if you want to post about stuff...make it stuff you KNOW about so you have a little experience to quote from instead of all the crap you're being forced to read in the rags.
Yes Res...your points are valid.
My main gripe here is that the bloody lefty Liberals ALWAYS have an excuse for this BUT always use the same old bollox as an excuse.
They call it ODD now as an excuse to try and catagorise everything. This child does not have this. It is a new wave excuse to try and justify little shits and their behavour.
The Mother is a disgrace and then trys to palm her failings off as some sort of medical thingy.
She wails " he does not need punishment, he needs medical help ". Sorry that is a old cop out and an excuse to try and justify his behavour and her lack of parenting skills.
The bleeding heart Liberals are oh so quick to jump on this bandwagon and then blame the press for everything, when in effect it is THIER attitudes over many years that have helped to create this " don't give a toss society ".
I blame the weak Liberals and they blame the press. I think at times it can be a bit of both but....Is this kind of behaviour really such in the minority that it is not worth reporting?
Ask any teacher how many kids are little shits in school, whilst it is certainly NOT the majority, there are a few more than the isolated one or two.
ODD? It exists only in the minds of the people, who choose to make an excuse, instead of just addressing the real reasons, that the child for whatever reason is just pure and simple....a little shit.
:cry: I have just put the phone down after a convo with my son who is 21. He has had his ups and downs through his teenage years and is coming out the other side a mature, intelligent person (if a little nuts at times) I'm proud of him anyway.
He has just told me about a "ferel thug" he was just playing battleships with 4 days ago. His mother died when he was young and his father for whatever reason buggered off and left him and his brother to fend for themselves. That lad has had a less than ideal life.
He threw himself in front of a bus yesterday. So thats one less we'll all have to worry about eh?
Oh and by the way..I grew up on a council estate 22 floors up in a tower block in the East End of London. I've also lived on many housing estates and been out after 9pm the only time in my life I had cause for concern was when a man much much older than myself tried to force himself on me in a lift.
I know "some" estates are rough and I know "some" kids are a pain and go way over the top of just messing about so then lets give them something to do and something to be interested in.
Liberalism means nothing to me Kenty...it's politics which automatically means bollox in my mind. I make my mind up from the experiences I live and the things that I see with my own eyes, not what I'm told whilst sitting in my comfy armchair passing judgement on everyone else.
I'm not sorry about slagging off the media one little bit. It's just a huge money making machine that cares nothing for the Country it reports on as long as it keeps paying up.
I worked in a place that the police and local residents called *the front line* its was bluddy rough, hard and stressful to be in day in, day out! Luckily I went home at night for a few hours peace....for the residents, they lived with it 24/7.
I eventually became complacent with the crime, the violence and the everyday abuse we got as workers (we were paid well for it so young people told us). If it was a quiet day outside my window - something was up! You made sure when you left the office you had ya wits about you!
Little kids roamed the streets late night - tough as old boots some of them and damn scary sometimes even at 6 yrs old. Gangs made there home in any hangout they could, even forcing themselves into our premises quite a number of times. Why? Because it was raining or cold! Other gangs (some adult) from outside the city visited to deliver just punishment - maybe a shooting, a machete attack or perhaps a good old street fight!
Yet, in what seemed like a war zone at times (I haven't even mentioned some of the actions of adults)they were bunches of young people who did or didn't go to school, were victims of their community, or had previously offended, who achieved and experienced more than some adults will in their lifetime.
Why? Because they were people within that community who believed in them, supported and advised, listened to them, gave them opportunities, gave them second chances, were positive role models, patted them on the back when they did achieve and best of all made it news and film worthy when they did - turning it into an event that people wanted to come and see for themselves and give support.
They always will be the ones who you cant help turn their lives around and will end up in prison or dead. Sometimes you had to move onto the ones who wanted and needed support to do that - even tho it was with sadness that that decision was made..it just wasn't the right time for them.
Creating change in any community is a lengthy process and some of the work you see happening in communities now - the results will now show until at least 5 plus years later... you might not even see how those young people or adults have changed and doing something positive in their lives as you cant put it in hard figures.
And that is the problem with funding available - the funders want hard figures now not later, they want value for money, they want things happening now and you have to tell them how they are going to get it - now!! You can with some things but so much of it is unseen and hard to collect....
They must be such a paper mountain somewhere in a little government office!
Pete....a brilliant insight from somebody that knows.
Most of us know what you say is true, but the Liberals are always there to meter out the excuses. Excuse for this and excuses for that.
My youngest Daughter has a friend who started work helping younsters that had got into trouble. These kids were forced into attending this course, or go to prison. So most of them did not want to be there, so that is not a good start.
I said to her at the time that most would be shits, but she had just graduated fron University and still a bit green around the ears. She has the typical lefty approach and her attitude was different from mine.
Well she lasted three months there, actually it was less than that. She realised that these " young offenders ",were just like I said....little shits with no respect and were only there as an alternative to prison.
How her attitude has now changed and her eyes have been firmly left open by this.
Kids like the one highlighted don't have anything wrong with them other than in most cases, wanker parents, or in most cases....parent. The Father has long since fucked off into the distance to start another brood with another woman, who no doubt has x ammount of kids already.
They need to stop pussy footing around the issue by making limp lefty excuses, and deal with the real issues, which are usually tosser parents who cannot control their kids, and those kids know it and then just become worse.
My own Sister falls into this wanker parent catagory. She does not know how to say no to her kids and her son who is now 14, treats her like shit and only last April threatened to hit her which left my Sister scared of him, as in her words " he is a big lad now ".
Maybe had she of given him some proper boundaries and told him the no word more often things may well of been different. Funnily enough he never gives me any bollox as he knows I would not tolerate it, and he is always polite when I go around there.
A very good post Pete, but don't expect too many to agree with you.
I agree there is a problem with parenting. I agree there is a cross section of society that are highly problematic and that the root cause of that can, in many cases,be attributed to poor parenting.
I take issue with the notion that the simple answer to rectify this is to beat children on a regular basis.
Why not lock them up in cages at home? Send them to work up chimneys too?
Why is it a "lefty" problem Mr K? Political persuasion has nothing to do with this issue. When your good chum Mr C takes over at number 10, do you think these problems are going to magically disappear.
What are they going to do? Reintroduce Corporal punishment in schools and deliver a free baseball bat to each home complete with legal indemnity should any local authority wish to prosecute?
Once again Mr K, Pete may well have credentials working with many of the really poorly behaved children and many of whom have real problems and show no inclination to improve. But because his idea of "beat the little shits until they behave" fits in with your idea, he is suddenly "in the know?" What nonsense. Pete's opinions are fine. he has experience of a great many issues I am sure. However I disagree that beating children will answer the problem.
"It worked in the past..." Yes, so did stoning, crucifixion and being flayed alive. Shall we bring these back too?
As for getting a grip, I see people having opinions, churlish as it is for some to understand, they are equally valid regardless of where you've worked, who with and for how long. Experience doesn't give you the definitive say on what is right and wrong. It informs your opinion only and is influence by your own view and experiences.
That does not make it right and does not lessen anyone elses opinions on the matter.
I fully agree that parenting skills are on the sharp decline and that parents are to blame for the mess.
Why the hell then punish and beat the children?
Res as has already been said...punish people when they have done wrong, and praise and reward them when things are done right.
Is it just a coincidence that since corporal punishment was abolished from schools, there is no punishment available now? Hence no fear at all.
Kids of today KNOW their rights but....when I was a kid there were no rights. If you did not behave at school you would be punished, be it by the cane or slipper or detention. It was a fact that kids were scared of their teachers then but....there is a fine line between fear and respect. Respect is what is lacking today and that my friend is where the lefty's have doen their job.
Kids would wail " touch me and I will call the police ". :shock: and I know what that means. The police will be knocking on your door quicker than you can say " bollox ".
Respect has to be earned the same as trust has too. The lefty's are forever telling people their rights especially kids. I agree that beating kids is not the answer, I have only ever smacked my two kids a couple of times but.....nowadays you CAN smack a child but only if you do not leave a red mark. How the heck does that work? It is then not a smack but a tap and what does that do?
Sorry but the lefty's liberal approach has caused much of this problem, a bit like teachers have left the proffession in droves because they are sick and tired of meddling people and kids that just do not care.
IF you give someone no boundaries and no punishments then where do we go? I would not break into someones house or stab someone or many other things, because I would be fearful of getting caught. But a lot of kids nowadays do not have that fear. Their attitudes sometimes prove they have no fear or respect for society.
Typical example of todays punishments are the Bulger killers. Two ferel murderers who had the social services bend over backwards for them, even though they murdered a young child. Their punishment was a joke and even now are laughing at the fact their identities can never be revealed. Plus I bet they had one to one teaching in wherever they were held. Other kids see that kind of thing and it does not bode well for kids who carry out further crimes like this.
Think the subject of disorders and their excistance are at best a means of labelling bad kids who have zero respect for their parents or their teachers or the Police or authority in general. How we change that outlook I do not know but Mr C may well do something regarding the crap Human rights laws which have also fuelled this bollox.